Quote from: spike on November 28, 2012, 11:14:07 PM
Legend says:

"Random will bite you at some point. And that point could be fatal."

Every spin in roulette is random. There are no
'less random' spins. That being said, how can
random 'bite you', or do anything to you. Its
always random all the time.

I'm trying to understand where you're coming
from. And you still haven't explained how R/B
is weaker than H/L or O/E. Enquiring minds
want to know.

All can not always be explained simplistically. The results while tracking show R/B performs less favourably than the other two.

Now physically the outstanding difference is its placing on the wheel. Make of that what you will.

spike

Let me say I agree with your point of view.  The math and logic condemn this idea from the get go!  On the other hand, I was the first to contribute money to the pot.  Why?  I love a good test and we've got one going here.

If we're all wrong, you can slice your pie and eat it in front of us!

But I'll tell you this:  Johnlegend will not come off his position one inch and you won't come off yours.  Hey!  It's a stand off!

Let's wait for the referee's decision.

Sam

Anyone feel free to delete my posts on this thread.

NEW LEVEL PATTERN BREAKER UPDATE ON BV FOR 29/11/2012

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 40

TOTAL GAMES WON 35

TOTAL GAMES LOST 5

STRIKERATE 7/1

DOUBLE LOSSES ZERO

LONGEST WINNING STREAK 8 (HIGH LOW)

Im starting afresh with the update of my results on BV to come into line with my increased BR and stakes. So after 40 games things stand at break even in strikerate.

I can only add my 2 cents in on the randomness conversation.  Here are some things that I have observed: 

Randomness struggles to repeat "a sequence of events"  and the longer the sequence, the harder it is for it to duplicate at some point in the future.   Will it? Absolutely! But will it do it at "that" specific moment in time?  "That" = the moment you chose to play.  Those times are far and few between, atleast for me!  When it does, it simply has little impact on my BR at this point.  Randomness might strike back to back and even back to back, to back, to back, etc...and it has for me.

However, if I understand JL ... He isn't just pushing H&R ... What I believe he is saying is that when you combine H&R, with a solid money managment approach, discpline, confidence and vision, this game is very beatable.  What do I mean by vision?  Its not about what I won that day or even week, it's about what I have gained at the end of the month or months and having the vision and confidence that the methods being played will continue to perform for you. 

I started out my very first game of November playing CODE 4 and lost the first 3 spins.  So for me it's 10 units, 15 units and 30 units.  I started the month down 55 units.  I could have thrown in the towel on CODE 4 and jumped off the deep edge or tried something new, but I didn't.  Since November 3rd, I have only lost 1 game in CODE 4.    It works for me and that way of thinking may not be for everyone, but I am hoping to offer some insight to what I belive JL is trying to say.   

@JohnLegend it would be nice if you had more specific information about your sessions  (example: name of casino--some way we can track the numbers in your sessions that would show a win or loss_

Quote from: Chauncy47 on November 29, 2012, 01:23:37 PM
I can only add my 2 cents in on the randomness conversation.  Here are some things that I have observed: 

Randomness struggles to repeat "a sequence of events"  and the longer the sequence, the harder it is for it to duplicate at some point in the future.   Will it? Absolutely! But will it do it at "that" specific moment in time?  "That" = the moment you chose to play.  Those times are far and few between, atleast for me!  When it does, it simply has little impact on my BR at this point.  Randomness might strike back to back and even back to back, to back, to back, etc...and it has for me.

However, if I understand JL ... He isn't just pushing H&R ... What I believe he is saying is that when you combine H&R, with a solid money managment approach, discpline, confidence and vision, this game is very beatable.  What do I mean by vision?  Its not about what I won that day or even week, it's about what I have gained at the end of the month or months and having the vision and confidence that the methods being played will continue to perform for you. 

I started out my very first game of November playing CODE 4 and lost the first 3 spins.  So for me it's 10 units, 15 units and 30 units.  I started the month down 55 units.  I could have thrown in the towel on CODE 4 and jumped off the deep edge or tried something new, but I didn't.  Since November 3rd, I have only lost 1 game in CODE 4.    It works for me and that way of thinking may not be for everyone, but I am hoping to offer some insight to what I belive JL is trying to say.

Well said Chauncy47. Its the TOTAL PACKAGE. One without the other isn't happening.
The bet selection has to be good. Then how you apply MM and H.A.R to it does the rest. You leave too much respect for random and the house edge at the door. Because pre doubts turn into festering mountains of negativity.


And once you are owned by that negativity you can never put your heart into beating this game. You side with the illusion that's been perpetuated for centuries.
Understand this now. Just because you assume something cannot work, given all the pre-knowledge and warnings from the so called experts. It does not mean it can't.


It is and always will be the total package. BET SELECTION, MONEY MANAGEMENT, HIT AND RUN and IRON SELF DISCIPLINE.

Quote from: Proofreaders2000 on November 29, 2012, 02:13:56 PM
@JohnLegend it would be nice if you had more specific information about your sessions  (example: name of casino--some way we can track the numbers in your sessions that would show a win or loss_

Superman will report my progress on BV Proof.

RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER ON BV FOR 03/12/2012 AT NEW HIGH LEVEL...

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 50

TOTAL GAMES WON 45

TOTAL GAMES LOST 5

STRIKERATE 9/1

DOUBLE LOSSES ZERO

LONGEST WINNING STREAK 18--HIGH LOW.

With the general feeling about BV and its fairness when raising stakes over the 1 EURO BASE barrier. I have set about grinding out a 50 EURO profit in December. I have gone back to my roots with PATTERN BREAKER. And am only playing HIGH LOW. For 5---10 games a session.

When I first began playing PATTERN BREAKER 4 years ago. I only used to play it on HIGH LOW for a maximum of 5 games a day. The results attained doing this in the first 18 months were astonishing.

Including twice breaking the 100 barrier for winning streaks. I have put together a winning streak of 18 games already on BV. I will stay in this mode of play for the rest of the year. Then in January really step it up.

Well the only system I played at William hill has got banned from live play at their casino. Lol


I liked playing because of the low stakes..
Anybody wanna suggest another with low stakes?
If I remember correctly, ladbrokes, and paddypower  do not allow Canadian players.

Quote from: bcboilermaker on December 04, 2012, 07:49:37 AM
Well the only system I played at William hill has got banned from live play at their casino. Lol


I liked playing because of the low stakes..
Anybody wanna suggest another with low stakes?
If I remember correctly, ladbrokes, and paddypower  do not allow Canadian players.

SmartLive Casino   http://www.smartlivegaming.com/welcome.html

0.1 on Air ball

Are they not a pain in the behind for payouts? Long winded and hard to process?

Quote from: subby on December 04, 2012, 10:32:47 AM
Are they not a pain in the behind for payouts? Long winded and hard to process?

Agreed slow alround.

Quote from: subby on December 04, 2012, 10:32:47 AM
Are they not a pain in the behind for payouts? Long winded and hard to process?

Very slow to play and even slower to pay !

At least you get to enjoy the "option" of playing online    Perhaps someday here in the USA

Quote from: Chauncy47 on December 04, 2012, 01:07:33 PM
At least you get to enjoy the "option" of playing online    Perhaps someday here in the USA

I keep forgetting how lucky we are here in the UK, multiple sites to play on-line, and gambling profits if you are lucky enough to be a winner non taxable!