Hello all,
This is a simple EC method i'm working on these days.
As there is not much testing done,
it could be in notepad, but it's allready a playable system.
Bet selection: Alternate LH
Progression:
On a loss: progression = progression + 1
On a win, we have 2 options:
You take the lowest of
1- recalculate progression for +1, if higher than progression + 1, then use option 2
2- progression = progression + 1
Strategy:
Every 5 spins, starting at spins 10, we start evaluate the last 9 spins W/L results.
If there is more W than L, we keep betting LHLHL (original bet selection) for the next 5 spins,
If there is more L than W, we start betting HLHLH (the opposite) for the next 5 spins.
As i'm not patient enough to play 3h in a row, so this session was played by a bot...
Here is the report generated for last night session on SmartLive Low Limit Auto-Wheel:
SESSION REPORT
Date: 30/9/2013 Time: 19h27
Casino: SmartLive Live Roulette System:LHLHLH
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Result WL Bet Where BR
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15 - 1 L -1
7 W 1 H 0
1 L 2 L -2
18 W 1 H 1
20 W 1 L 2
15 W 1 H 3
20 W 1 L 4
23 L 2 H 2
6 L 3 L -1
20 L 4 H -5
23 W 3 L 0
15 W 1 H 5
34 W 1 L 6
10 W 1 H 7
11 L 2 L 5
25 L 3 L 2
8 W 1 H 7
11 L 2 L 5
2 W 1 H 8
8 L 2 L 6
26 L 3 L 3
19 L 4 H -1
24 W 3 L 4
3 W 1 H 9
21 W 1 L 10
11 W 1 H 11
27 W 1 L 12
21 L 2 H 10
14 L 3 L 7
21 L 4 H 3
3 L 5 L -2
30 L 6 H -8
31 W 7 L -3
18 W 3 H 8
15 L 4 L 4
27 L 5 L -1
13 W 5 H 4
16 L 6 L -2
5 W 4 H 6
29 W 1 L 13
4 W 1 H 14
3 L 2 L 12
29 L 3 H 9
13 L 4 L 5
12 W 3 H 10
24 W 1 L 15
29 L 2 H 13
21 W 1 L 16
14 W 1 H 17
9 L 2 L 15
30 L 3 L 12
10 W 1 H 17
9 L 2 L 15
32 L 3 H 12
33 W 1 L 17
11 W 1 H 18
8 L 2 L 16
25 L 3 H 13
15 L 4 L 9
8 W 3 H 14
7 L 4 H 10
23 W 2 L 16
7 W 1 H 19
8 L 2 L 17
8 W 1 H 20
32 W 1 L 21
29 L 2 H 19
19 W 1 L 22
36 L 2 H 20
23 W 1 L 23
36 L 2 H 21
30 W 1 L 24
33 L 2 H 22
8 L 3 L 19
13 W 1 H 24
19 W 1 L 25
7 W 1 H 26
20 W 1 L 27
21 L 2 H 25
4 L 3 L 22
14 W 1 H 27
17 L 2 L 25
11 W 1 H 28
31 W 1 L 29
8 W 1 H 30
7 L 2 L 28
20 L 3 H 25
8 L 4 L 21
10 W 3 H 26
15 L 4 L 22
14 W 2 H 28
25 W 1 L 31
36 L 2 H 29
5 L 3 L 26
32 L 4 H 22
1 L 5 H 17
34 W 6 L 21
0 L 7 H 14
32 W 5 L 23
22 L 6 H 17
29 W 4 H 25
19 W 1 L 32
9 W 1 H 33
13 L 2 L 31
31 L 3 H 28
26 W 1 L 33
34 L 2 H 31
35 W 1 L 34
32 L 2 H 32
18 L 3 L 29
28 L 4 L 25
21 L 5 H 20
16 L 6 L 14
33 L 7 H 7
35 W 8 L 13
14 W 7 L 22
20 L 8 H 14
0 L 9 L 5
13 W 10 H 13
8 L 11 L 2
11 W 12 L 12
2 W 1 H 35
33 W 1 L 36
35 L 2 H 34
1 L 3 L 31
35 L 4 L 27
25 L 5 H 22
20 W 6 L 26
22 L 7 H 19
30 W 5 L 28
8 W 1 L 37
26 L 2 H 35
23 W 1 L 38
27 L 2 H 36
11 L 3 L 33
14 W 1 H 38
14 L 2 L 36
30 L 3 H 33
30 W 1 L 38
36 L 2 H 36
10 L 3 H 33
0 L 4 L 29
12 W 3 H 34
27 W 1 L 39
4 W 1 H 40
24 W 1 L 41
33 L 2 H 39
3 L 3 L 36
21 L 4 H 32
28 W 3 L 37
7 W 1 H 42
4 L 2 L 40
12 W 1 H 43
12 L 2 L 41
32 L 3 H 38
2 L 4 H 34
27 W 3 L 39
31 L 4 H 35
18 L 5 L 30
17 W 5 H 35
8 L 6 H 29
2 L 7 L 22
26 L 8 H 14
20 W 9 L 21
9 W 6 H 33
30 W 1 H 44
33 W 1 L 45
32 L 2 H 43
28 W 1 L 46
36 L 2 H 44
27 W 1 L 47
34 L 2 H 45
18 L 3 L 42
4 W 1 H 47
13 L 2 L 45
22 L 3 L 42
8 W 1 H 47
10 L 2 L 45
16 W 1 H 48
16 L 2 L 46
20 L 3 L 43
35 L 4 H 39
14 L 5 L 34
12 W 6 H 38
28 W 1 L 49
29 L 2 L 47
5 W - - 51
*** Exit by Win Target ***
Normy
This picture show how to track if we keep orignal bet selection LHLHLH....
or if we switch to opposite.
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After the first 10 W/L results, we count how many W in the last 9 results,
in this example, we get 4/9 (in red), so we switch bet selection for the next 5 spins.
5 spins later, we check W/L again, this time we get 6/9 (in blue),
so we keep going with the same bet selection.
You keep checking W/L count every 5 spins.
If 5 or more W, you keep the same bet selection,
if 4 or less, you switch to opposite.
Normy
normy you wil win on this--and I'm not an expert--enjoy life
NICE IDEA! Just trying it now Normy..
A.
Time will tell Tom!
Have you tried something similar?
Normy
hi, thank you for share.
I did it right?
7 1 L
24 L 2 H 1-
36 W 1 L 0+
7 W 1 H 1+
7 W 1 L 2+
16 W 1 H 3+
22 W 1 L 4+
34 L 2 H 3+
23 W 1 L 5+
12 W 1 H 6+ W 7
16 L 2 L 5+
27 L 3 H 3+
29 W 2 L 6+
21 L 3 H 3+
27 W 2 L 6+ W 5
12 W 1 H 8+
32 W 1 L 9+
25 L 2 H 8+
22 W 1 L 10+
19 L 2 H 9+ W 5
8 L 3 L 6+
22 L 4 H 3+
31 W 3 L 7+
22 L 4 H 4+
20 W 3 H 7+ W 4 CHANGE
28 W 2 L 10+
36 L 3 H 8+
35 W 2 L 11+
10 W 1 H 13+
10 L 2 L 12+ W 5
23 L 3 H 10+
0 L 4 H 7+
16 L 5 L 3+
11 W 4 H 8+
21 W 3 H 12+ W 4 CHANGE
10 L 4 L 9+
23 L 5 H 5+
35 W 4 L 10+
8 W 3 H 13+
13 L 4 H 10+ W 4 CHANGE
25 W 3 L 14+
36 L 4 H 11+
10 L 5 L 7+
8 W 4 H 12+
1 L 5 H 8+ W 4 CHANGE
32 W 4 L 13+
4 W 3 H 17+
9 L 4 L 14+
25 L 5 H 10+
15 L 6 H 5+ W3 CHANGE
34 W 5 L 11+
14 W 4 H 16+
28 W 3 L 20+
7 W 2 H 23+
32 W 1 L 25+
You did exacthly as i do. :nod:
Only 1 thing, i start checking after 10 W/L results, not 9,
but as you can see, the strategy work anyways!
[edit] i'm not sure about your progression, let me run it in my bot, i'll post the results...
Good job. :applause:
after first 10 spins?
i was going +1 after l, and -1 after w
Not 10 spins, 10 W/L results, so 11 spins...
@biagle
This is what i get with your numbers...
SESSION REPORT
Date: 2/10/2013 Time: 15h47
Casino: SmartLive Live Roulette System: LHLHL
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Result WL Bet Where BR 1=Keep
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7 - 1 L -1 1
24 L 2 H -3 1
36 W 1 L 0 1
7 W 1 H 1 1
7 L 2 L -1 1
16 W 1 H 2 1
22 W 1 L 3 1
34 L 2 H 1 1
23 W 1 L 4 1
12 W 1 H 5 1
16 L 2 L 3 1
27 L 3 H 0 1
29 W 1 L 5 1
21 L 2 H 3 1
27 W 1 L 6 1
12 W 1 H 7 1
32 W 1 L 8 1
25 L 2 H 6 1
22 W 1 L 9 1
19 L 2 H 7 1
8 L 3 L 4 1
22 L 4 H 0 1
31 W 3 L 5 1
22 L 4 H 1 1
20 W 2 L 7 1
28 L 3 L 4 0
36 L 4 H 0 0
35 W 3 L 5 0
10 W 1 H 10 0
10 L 2 L 8 0
23 L 3 L 5 0
0 L 4 H 1 0
16 L 5 L -4 0
11 W 6 H 0 0
21 W 1 L 11 0
10 W 1 H 12 1
23 W 1 L 13 1
35 L 2 H 11 1
8 L 3 L 8 1
13 W 1 H 13 1
25 W 1 L 14 1
36 L 2 H 12 1
10 L 3 L 9 1
8 W 1 H 14 1
1 L 2 L 12 1
32 L 3 L 9 0
4 W 1 H 14 0
9 L 2 L 12 0
25 L 3 H 9 0
15 L 4 L 5 0
34 L 5 L 0 0
14 W 6 H 4 0
28 W 1 L 15 0
7 W 1 H 16 0
32 W - - 18 0
something wrong in your code, or im unintelligent.
23 L 3 L 5 0 0 L 4 H 1 0 16 L 5 L -4 0 11 W 6 H 0 0 21 W 1 L 11 0
br after 23 is 5u next bet 4
0 L, br 1u, next bet 5
16 L, br -4u, next bet 6
11 W, br 2u, next bet 5
21 w br 7u
23 L 3 L 5 Highest point, before was 11
0 L 4 H 1 br was 5, we bet 4, br is now 1
16 L 5 L -4 br was 1, we bet 5, br is now -4
11 W 6 H 0 br was -4, win 10, we bet 6, br is now 0, Here we bet 6 to get to 12 wich is +1 refering to highest point
21 W 1 L 11 win 12 bet 1, br is now 11 Highest point reached, so we reset to 1
10 W 1 H 12
23 W 1 L 13
Hi Normy,
I remember doing this switching same then opposite with my Simple Trend Catcher a couple of years ago, it seemed to work out OK.
As usual something else came along and I stopped testing/playing it.
I did not have the look back and check every 5 spins like you did, so I think I will re-visit it with your tweak and see how it turns out. :thumbsup:
Thanks
malcop
@Biagle
This is how to recalculte your progression for +1 after a win,
i suggest you put all this in Excel.
Abreviation use in formulas:
CBR = Current BankRoll
HBR = Highest BankRoll
P = Progression
Abs = Absolute value (take off the minus sign)
On a loss: P = P + 1
On a win:
Update the CBR
CBR = CBR + (2 * P)
If CBR = HBR , we reset, P = 1
If CBR > HBR , we reset and we have a new HBR, P = 1 and HBR = CBR
If CBR < HBR , here we recalculate P for + 1
If CBR >= 0
If HBR - CBR <= P
P = (HBR - CBR) + 1
If HBR - CBR > P
P = P + 1
If CBR < 0
If HBR + Abs(CBR) <= P
P = (HBR + (Abs(CBR)) + 1
If HBR + Abs(CBR) > P
P = P + 1
Normy
Hi Normy
Thanks for this great strategy, I tested it on real Wheel with great results.....; One question though
do u consider when there is a chage of dealer, it is better to wait fresh 10 numbers before determining
where to place the bets........
Can the similar strategy be used for others ec's...b/r; o/e .....? Thanks
Cheers
Rouletta
I don't check dealer change, just W/L.
For sure it could also work on any Even Chance and even on Baccarat, why not!
I choosen Low/High only because you can bet on 3 double-line, wich is lower stake than L/H.
10 is easy to reach, i had only 1 losing session so far...
Suggested Money mangement for this method:
Win target = 10 units
Stop Loss = -20 units
I know 10 look small as target, but it depand of the unit!
10 times 25 is 250$
Normy, thanks for responding; I quite like this method for its simplicity, high level of strike rate.
Another question, what is the greatest strings of lll's have u had....? In my particular case during extensive manual testing
on real Wheel the most lll's I've have up to now is 7 lll's; I recovered nicely and reach new high afterwards.
I have played about 10 sessions on live wheel since yesterday and up to now everything is perfect no single loss session.
Cheers
Rouletta
I saw 9-10 lll's in a row but did recover.
Today i had a bad run, with only 1 win, then 4-5 loss in a row, many times, it was not enought to recover.
When progression go up to around 7-8, it take only 2 Win in a row to recover.
At 11-12, it take 3. That is why i decide to set Stop Loss at -20. This way, i win 7-8 session of +10 and loose only 1 session at -20. Overall, profitable.
Keep testing guys! We will find the right set-up... :thumbsup:
Yes we may be able to tweak it to make it very safe.....; May be after 4lll's stop, wait for virtual win and restart....; or play with different
progression such as bread winner's or life time progression to reduce risk to a maximum......
This thread is potentially too promising to simply die -- like most seem to!
Normy wrote: "We will find the right set-up... "
Any progress towards finding the best settings?
esoito
I am playing this system daily on Normy's bot. For real dimes!
I totally do not understand how it works; have not had time to really study it. I have too many irons in the fire, as they say. But no matter. I need only set the bot and walk away for a while. I don't know how this computer works either....
I am doing very well.
Sam
That's great news! Sounds like the tweaking has happened and is now bearing fruit.
Your pocket must be glad. ;)
esoito
I started with around 200 real. I play this thing for dimes and made one dollar each trip. I felt it could not lose and went to .50 bet bet. I soon found the Run From Hell and it took me down to 104.00. I chickened out. Had I continued to bet, I would have fully recovered. But I didn't........
So I began from 104 and went back to betting dimes. I am now at almost 150, so I am climbing out of the hole. I will eventually get back to 200 and then I will go for .20 instead of .50.
Let's just say my pocket is full of hope.
Sam
trying to wrap my head around this one, for some reason its not clicking at the moment [smiley]aes/confused.png[/smiley]
Is there a simple excel tracker for this.....it would really help me learn step by step
Sam ....I could use some of your redneck logic to help me get by one this one :thumbsup:
Big EZ: I think (not sure) one of Normand's bots is configured to play this method, and that 2CSam uses it.
And I think (again not sure) that bot might be for sale from N.
Perhaps one or the other could confirm or correct what I've just written.
Guys
I have bought and use the bot. I'm certain it's for sale. That's what the man does.
Now, I'm working on the exact way to play it by hand. I'm watching the bot play and trying to stick with it. Someone could refer to my video in the TwoCat Cafe and see if they can follow.
I'm sure it will click in my mind. Normy has explained it to me and I read his explanation a lot. Just hasn't sunk in yet. When it does, I'll try to put it into Simple Redneck and post it in my Cafe.
I had nicksmi build this for the bot...also a flat bet version...anyone wanting it should ask him ...maybe a small fee should be charged for the time and effort he put in as he makes them cheaply compared to the time and effort he put in
6th sense, I personally think you are out of order advertising nicksmi's bot with the same method that Normy created.
This is a roulette community.....not the cut and thrust of the business world.
It doesn't exactly foster the idea of sharing your work.
I sincerely hope anybody who decides to pay for the bot goes to the original creator (Normy) and orders the bot from him considering that's what the guy does.
Sheesh!! [smiley]aes/pirate.png[/smiley]
i apologise if it came out that way...a system posted can be botted by anyone...and in the community spirit as you say... a lot of people who bought one bot simply can,t afford another just to do one sheet...this is the community spirit in my eyes helping other members find an alternative to this system...
and yes i like advertising stefs bot why wouldn,t i...i love it
but i am sorry to put anyone out....and remember i did pay out of my own money to get it done....
I made my own excel tracker. The only thing that need to do manually is fill in the progression. The first 6 steps or so are easy but when in a higher progression you need to calculate the right progression for the next spin. I might automate this in the sheet.
I always start with LHLHL and check the first 10 numbers if needed the betselection will switch.
Hope things are clear and there are no mistakes in the setup (use at own risk :thumbsup: )
very interesting i just checked it today...in your excel progression does not work is there workable sheet i can try with working progression as i am useless with excell...i know normy has posted it but problem is with lack of brain from my side[smiley]aes/confused.png[/smiley]
Here is a simple Progression Calculator for the EC Cycling method
Just enter if you won or lost...
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Link to download: www.norcosoft.com/Download/ProgressionCalculator.xls (http://www.norcosoft.com/Download/ProgressionCalculator.xls)
Enjoy, nOrMy2o0o