Quote from: JohnLegend on November 30, 2012, 08:14:19 PM
Spike I only need to know it WORKS.

Sigh. But you don't know that it works, that's
the point. Its like the drug company releasing
a new drug to the public cause it works on rats.
"Hey, we only know that it works, good enough
for us." that's how Thorp changed BJ forever.
There were card counters for decades before
Thorp. But he showed HOW it works and WHY it
works and proved it with the math.

I say take your system to the casino and throw
money at it, you'll find out the truth soon enough.

Quote from: Chauncy47 on November 30, 2012, 09:11:51 PM
simply believe that randomness has limitations at very specific moments in time. 

that's because you don't understand the nature
of randomness. The casinos understand it inside
and out. Randomness has no strengths and it
has no weaknesses. None. It is what it is. And
it is what it is all the time. Death doesn't take
holidays and neither does randomness.

Quote from: spike on November 30, 2012, 10:13:32 PM
Sigh. But you don't know that it works, that's
the point. Its like the drug company releasing
a new drug to the public cause it works on rats.
"Hey, we only know that it works, good enough
for us." that's how Thorp changed BJ forever.
There were card counters for decades before
Thorp. But he showed HOW it works and WHY it
works and proved it with the math.

I say take your system to the casino and throw
money at it, you'll find out the truth soon enough.

Been doing that 4 years now. Its taking its time showing me. But youll learn. Just keep popping in and out of this forum over the coming years. And see if you can still push that attitude even a year from now.

Quote from: JohnLegend on November 30, 2012, 10:24:02 PM
But youll learn. Just keep popping in and out of this forum

LOL! I'll learn? Listen sonny, you think you're the first
math illiterate poseur who's been bamboozled by his
own inexperience and thinks he has
an earth shattering-casino changing system that will
make him a quadzillionaire? Get in line, the bodies of
those who came before you are in your rear view mirror.

I'll learn? I can tell if a system will work or not by examining
it for about 20 seconds. Yours took about a second and
a half.

Gizmo/spike you don't like the PB method...fine...

JL and others...you DO like PB and know it works for you.

Lets just remember to keep this site friendly and everyone respect other opinions without any hint of aggression 

The bottom line is....we all want to fleece the casinos

Spike,

I imagine that by now JL fully understands your arguments.

Your posts seem to be more about goading him into an angry response.

He's not easily goaded so why not cool it.

Trebor

Quote from: Trebor on November 30, 2012, 11:24:25 PM
Spike,

I imagine that by now JL fully understands your arguments.

He reminds me of posters from the old VLS, guys like
Fender1000. He had a system called The Zone. He'd
supposedly been playing it for 5 years, he was woefully
math ignorant, but swore his system never lost, always
made money. He had his faithful followers who believed
every word he said, they were all eventually banned
because of course The Zone didn't work at all in a real
casino. It was only in practice where you could curve fit
the heck out of it that it had any traction. This sure
reminds me of that..

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Kindly keep a civil tongue WITHOUT ATTACKING THE PERSON.


You will cease personal attacks immediately.


We will NOT condone that sort of immature behaviour on THIS forum

Play the ball; not the man.

The simple Forum Rules are there to be read and observed by all -- including you.

Your current line of posting is deliberately provocative and destabilising.

It clearly contavenes this forum's "... light-hearted and productive spirit." (See the Rules)


Continue down this path and you will provoke your own exclusion from the forum...

 Just to add some more to the conversation about randomness and looking at it from the casino side of the fence and then a little bit from mine. It doesn't appear as if the casino's fully understand randomness either. If they did, they wouldn't need to apply "house edge" rules such as table limits or the single or double zero. In some respect, that actually offers some comfort to me as a player.

What a great game this is ... it allows us to challenge ourselves, our thinking, and work on discipline, strategize, along with the power of observation ...and then we get to come here and share ideas about it.  The best part of all, we get to have fun doing it!  Every time I walk into the casino, I am captivated by the people, the environment and I always see something new. This game offers so many little tiny opportunities that can be taken advantage while waiting for a trigger and if you are one those people who learn to see those opporutnites and jump on them, it can really add to the success of your game.

Quote from: Chauncy47 on December 01, 2012, 12:49:18 PM
Just to add some more to the conversation about randomness and looking at it from the casino side of the fence and then a little bit from mine. It doesn't appear as if the casino's fully understand randomness either. If they did, they wouldn't need to apply "house edge" rules such as table limits or the single or double zero. In some respect, that actually offers some comfort to me as a player.

What a great game this is ... it allows us to challenge ourselves, our thinking, and work on discipline, strategize, along with the power of observation ...and then we get to come here and share ideas about it.  The best part of all, we get to have fun doing it!  Every time I walk into the casino, I am captivated by the people, the environment and I always see something new. This game offers so many little tiny opportunities that can be taken advantage while waiting for a trigger and if you are one those people who learn to see those opportunites and jump on them, it can really add to the success of your game.

To add to what Chauncy says here, I've long believed RANDOM has virtual limits, points it can rarely pass.

Identify those limits, then forge a method to exploit them.  And the games for the taking. Sit back and give the negatives of the game too much respect. And another 300 years from now people will still believe a myth. I.E that its impossible to profit from this game in the long run.

Casinos don't win from this game because of house edge, random or house limits. They continue to win (and always will overall) because of what's lacking in the people who PLAY THIS GAME.

If you could clone a Subby or Chauncy47. And send 10s of thousands of them to casinos all around the world. A big noise would be made in the gambling world. And the game would be in trouble. Thankfully human nature being what it is. This will never happen.

And only an elite few, who can apply themselves to this game properly and consistently will prosper over the long-term. That is how its always going to be. That said, my goal is to make it be known. The game is indeed for the taking. If you can step up to the plate with the right set of mental tools.

And the few that do, have a prosperous future ahead of them...

QuoteHe reminds me of posters from the old VLS, guys like Fender1000

LOL Spike, do your homework mate, he IS/WAS Fender1000

Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on December 03, 2012, 12:58:33 PM

I am sorry but i never saw any verifiable results. None of this hit rates actually happened in your "challenges" both with Bayes' RNG and BV.

Marigny its ongoing. Look at the BV challenge summertime next year. And tell me you don't see major progress.


An acorn doesn't turn into an oaktree overnight. Watch as the months roll by.

Quote from: JohnLegend on December 03, 2012, 02:01:41 PM
Marigny its ongoing. Look at the BV challenge summertime next year. And tell me you don't see major progress.


An acorn doesn't turn into an oaktree overnight. Watch as the months roll by.

Still your hit rate is so much better in private...

Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on December 03, 2012, 02:20:39 PM

Still your hit rate is so much better in private...

Actually no, Subby is matching my hit rate for PATTERN BREAKER. Others have surpassed it. The handful of people who REALLY put their heart into it will get close or surpass my numbers.

The lazy can't be bothered types will just stand on the sidelines repeating. Einstein said it can't be done. So it can't be done.

My job is to show/prove. That it most certainly can be done.

Still your hit rate is so much better in private...



This reminds me of the guy who can do a thousand push-ups when no one is looking.

So you want credibility?  You want respect?  The publicize your hit rate.  subby is doing exactly that, so this is not for him.

Don't post a trot from Spielbank that is three years old.  We all know you shopped for it until you found one that showed you're a genius.  (Harsh, I know!)

Say this:  Three days from now, I'll download table 4 from Speilbank and I'll show you what it can do.  Name the date and the table.

Today, when I get the time, I will check tables 2,3,4 and 7 with the Stef tracker on the "other" forum. 

Now, honestly ask yourself---do you put more stock in today's unpublished numbers or those from three years ago?

Just trying to get us to quit BSing ourselves and do some verifiable testing.  In true science, if it's not verifiable, it's just laughed at.

Sam

EDIT:  I'll attach the Tally Sheet for the test if any have not seen it.  Note the days in advance to be filled in. 

Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 03, 2012, 03:54:08 PM
Still your hit rate is so much better in private...



This reminds me of the guy who can do a thousand push-ups when no one is looking.

So you want credibility?  You want respect?  The publicize your hit rate.  subby is doing exactly that, so this is not for him.

Don't post a trot from Spielbank that is three years old.  We all know you shopped for it until you found one that showed you're a genius.  (Harsh, I know!)

Say this:  Three days from now, I'll download table 4 from Speilbank and I'll show you what it can do.  Name the date and the table.

Today, when I get the time, I will check tables 2,3,4 and 7 with the Stef tracker on the "other" forum. 

Now, honestly ask yourself---do you put more stock in today's unpublished numbers or those from three years ago?

Just trying to get us to quit BSing ourselves and do some verifiable testing.  In true science, if it's not verifiable, it's just laughed at.

Sam

EDIT:  I'll attach the Tally Sheet for the test if any have not seen it.  Note the days in advance to be filled in.

Sam my verification man is Superman. When I reach 4 or 5 hundred euro on BV. Im going over to PADDY POWER. Now im not up on the technical side of screenshots and such. Maybe you or Subby can help me when I get there.

This whole thing is going to get bigger than me Subby or anyone Sam you know that.


Im challenging very established views here that have stood for centuries. And im saying there's more to it than was previously thought/considered.

That's why I persist. When the realization of success and hard cash starts breaking through. Questions are going to start being asked on all levels.