You will NEVER beat roulette. The wheel has been designed  that way but you can win when knowing to leave the table.






Nathan Detroit


HAPPY WINNINGS!!!

The above statement assumes that you will be ahead more times than you are behind. 

That is to say:

"I am going to quit when I am up $10".  OK, how do you get up $10.00?  How do you keep from going straight down?

There is an old saying, something like this:  At some point in his game, every player is ahead.

Is that true?  Do we believe that?

This is a great topic for discussion.  Thanks, ww.

Sam

I had a conversation with a friend on this subject the other night.

What does 'you will never beat roulette' actually mean?

Here are my thoughts....

Yes...the E/C's and all the other betting locations will always confirm to probability.

It is impossible to know what is coming out next. You can only make an educated guess.

...and there lies the answer IMO.

All you have to learn to do is correctly guess more decisions right than you guess wrong and you can win.

So using a simple example....

RRRRRBBBBB

5 reds and 5 blacks as probability dictates.

Now what's to stop someone guessing 3/5 of those reds and 3/5 of those blacks consistently.

It can be done! In fact...it is been done!

That's it....no magic...no smoke and mirrors. Just good old fashioned guessing.

Sounds simple eh?  Well it's not and you might never achieve it. BUT.....that doesn't mean others can't do it.I can't run 100 metres in 10 seconds (especially after the lovely Chinese takeaway I just ate) But I know someone who can.


There are a lot of people who spend all their time testing and have no real life casino experience to talk about.

There are a lot of people who believe everything they read and never question anything for themselves.

If you want to teach yourself to win, you have to get your hands dirty and put in the hard work.

cheers

In a way, you can win if you lose. If you have set a stop loss that if very comfortable to you personally, and you hit that stop loss and walk away, to fight another day, you have won.

Distribution conforms to probability in the long run; how you define that is up to you. People always complain that they don't' know what it means. In my opinion, the long run isn't any set amout of bets or spins, the long run is simply when any edge (positive or negative) is stabilised. Allowing for slight fluctuation, up and down, once the edge is in play it doesn't really change much from that point on. The longer you play the more minute the changes become, but any downturn can be felt pretty hard.

The simple truth is, without an understanding of maths, there really is little chance. Or at least, you cannot become a more accomplished player without understanding what underpins the game's concept. There's no way of knowing what has merit, what has been deemed a failure and why, and when you're on to a good thing. In the end people get stuck on pointless tracking and nonsense triggers.

That being said, probability in shorter term games does not conform to expectation, hardly ever. In certain areas of the game perhaps it's possible to make your own rules which allow for more accurate guessing.

Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 08, 2013, 06:49:42 PM
"I am going to quit when I am up $10".  OK, how do you get up $10.00?  How do you keep from going straight down?

There is an old saying, something like this:  At some point in his game, every player is ahead.

Is that true?  Do we believe that?

I sit on the fence. It seems to me good methods can have a few numbers with a high gain to give a good blow and go. I also think methods that earn little and constantly to get away with enough in many winning sessions are good.I think there are people who could operate either. Those who give a good blow a few times can give such a broad stroke that the number of chips lost in the missed sessions is less than what is earned. People who earn a little constantly can employ reinvesting methods used to grow the bank so that the loss does not delete everything earned.

I do not see it as a situation where one side has an absolute right over the other.I would like someone who had his way figured to present his method for public consideration.

Quote from: Bally6354 on December 08, 2013, 07:06:35 PM
If you want to teach yourself to win, you have to get your hands dirty and put in the hard work.

cheers

The trouble is that learning through play for real money costs.I think it is better to try for fun. Until recently I was using a bet for splits that gave me good results but now I put it aside after a slump of losses.I know it could be reversed but I do not want to lose the gains I obtained after many hours so I changed system.

After many failures in the past I got the winner fears this time. haha

Quote from: wannawin on December 08, 2013, 10:15:20 PM
The trouble is that learning through play for real money costs

That's true Walter, however,I find that's also when you get a lesson in reality regarding your style of play.

I have been messing about with RX the last few days just to see if anything jumps off the page rather than specifically looking for something.

So I put in 7 numbers and just watched the swings in balance as they went up and down.

The balance can be +6,000 one minute and then -5,000 a hundred or so spins later. You can start to get a feel for when it's going to plummet and when it is just holding it's own or on the rise.

We are only limited by our own imagination in this game and there are many ways that you can group numbers together and come up with all kinds of different framework to use for analysis. But I do believe you will see the same swings and roundabouts as I mentioned above. The trick then is just to wait and watch. Dip your toe in the water when you see an event happening with a greater degree of frequency.

Money management also plays an important part. Once again, you can use your imagination. Positive, negative, parlays, regression. Is there an optimal way to bet for the situation you find yourself in.

I think one of the biggest mistakes we make is to think in terms of just a one dimensional approach regarding bet selection and money management. Where a more fluid and dynamic approach goes hand in hand with the nature of the game we are trying to conquer.

cheers

I think the En prison Roulette could be beaten.

On the standard Euro/American wheel the minimum and the
maximum table bets affect the bettor's play. (and casinos know this)

Personally many, many small wins over long hours is the way to go imo.

proof....and ....as Brett Morton said, set many goals withing goals. Each time you pass a point, your stop loss comes up so you come away with something.


15u....30u...45u.....60u


If you pass 15, you play to secure 15. if that play passes 30, you play to stop at 30, if you got to 46, you would play as if you had 1u.....quite happily stopping at 33u


I always play this way


So,I would always be aiming at 10, 11, 12u as a worse case for that session.

We do not need to beat the game. We need to extract profit from it as we churn milk to extract cream without destroying the milk.I believe it is easily doable. At least,I can do that.
               The game itself is not beatable,in all probabilities but it is winnable.

This will sound goofy but I'll give it a shot.......Leaving at the CORRECT TIME is the key to "winning", not roulette itself. The "winning", actually has little to do with roulette.

Ken

Whenever someone speaks that the game is not beatable I feel like crying, "then why the hell are you over here"?

If you believe in this theory then quit gambling forever and don't lurk around places to get a ready to use HG to become a millionaire.

           Only statement that is true about roulette or any game of chance is, "you can not win in all probabilities that can appear in gambling due to randomness and unpredictability caused thereby".


Whatever you concept is, if you bet and keeps on getting losses, even the wisest approach will look foolish there. LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

That's a great learning Me.j and Albalaha.  It is clear that roulette is not beatable as math suggests but winnable. Now a very important question that I have.  Directly or indirectly both are suggesting understanding of when the spins are working in your favour and when they are not. Is there a scientific approach to it or is it boiling down to intuition?

My vote goes for intuition. Still have not heard about the robot that wins at roulette. Just people claiming they do that.