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Title: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: greenguy on July 12, 2017, 01:30:01 PM
Sorry if I'm off topic by posting this..

I actually spent several weeks in Yelm on the RSE ranch in it's inaugural year of 1989, so I have been up close and personal with JZ Knight. I remember they called our retreat, The Gathering of Saints. I remember she had an awesome English Bulldog named, Sergeant.

Considering all the intensity of what was going on at the time, I must admit, it's really strange that I remember her dog and it's name after all these years.  I think because I thought he was the most noble soul in the place..

I believe I was the first, and possibly the only manufacturer of portable Pyramids for use as meditative devises attuned to the teachings. They were designed as a capstone, with telescopic side supports for variable height settings.

The Pyramid capstone height setting was important to the teachings as the head or brain of the modern day Essene was best placed in the King's Chamber area of the Pyramid (2/3rds up) throughout meditation for optimum effect.

My Pyramids were precisely mathematically modelled on the Great Pyramid Of Giza.

I know the Ramtha teachings well and I know the focus required for prediction.

I also know that with the acquired skill, there are far more beneficial uses for enhanced consciousness than gambling or winning money.





Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: Blue_Angel on July 12, 2017, 03:47:11 PM
If someone wants to be long term winner he/she has to act like the casino.
The casino doesn't attempting to predict but profits when predictions fail.
It's much more easier to gain from what is not going to happen rather than trying to predict what will happen.
Although simpler but less profitable for the individual bankroll, even with an edge of 2.7% you wouldn't become rich because casino profits are leveraged by the multiple accumulated bankrolls at risk any given time.
In short, there is big difference between 2.7% of 1,000 and 2.7% of 1,000,000...
However, if you find it attractive idea then try winning by predicting which very few numbers are not going to show any time soon rather than the opposite.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: wannawin on July 12, 2017, 04:47:11 PM
are you talking about using visual ballistics to decide which number sector is not going to come out?  This possibility crossed my mind as the only visual ballistics for someone not seasoned like me.  by discarding a small area of two numbers you could have one viable system based on physics.  interesting possibility.

However, if you find it attractive idea then try winning by predicting which very few numbers are not going to show any time soon rather than the opposite.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: Blue_Angel on July 12, 2017, 05:33:11 PM
are you talking about using visual ballistics to decide which number sector is not going to come out?  This possibility crossed my mind as the only visual ballistics for someone not seasoned like me.  by discarding a small area of two numbers you could have one viable system based on physics.  interesting possibility.


No, I was not referring to VB specifically, find ANY method which its prediction is as ineffective as possible, or at least worse than average, and reverse it to your advantage.
Win by not trying to predict, the beauty of it is to see the positive within the negative.
If for example I lay 2 numbers and lose per 50 spins on average then I'd gain 15 units net per 50 bets on average, not a 'killer' but could turn out to pretty consistent one.
Methods could be from software, statistics, hunches, physics...you name it!
Just pick the most persistent loser and reverse it.
We know that few numbers are long term sleepers, despite that this is 100% true for every time, we don't know which are going to be those numbers.
But a number before goes missing for 150 spins, it will be absent for 50 spins, so we pick such number and the reasoning is that it's already sleeping for 50 spins, why not for 1 more??
Of course numbers wake up eventually but timing is a strange thing, when you categorize all numbers by their hits and how long are be absent since their last appearance you witness the connection of them...
Top layer connects with the bottom and the second from the top, second layer connects with the top and the third, the third connects with the second and the fourth, the fourth connects with the third and the fifth...and so on.
In other words each layer/category of numbers is being effectively connected with their two bordering layers, when one number is hit then that group/layer as well as its two bordering layers are being activated.
Most of the times the focus stays at one layer/group for up to 2 consecutive times, then moves to the bordering layers.
Of course there are exceptions but why worrying about the minorities?
If you compare the positions of each group on the wheel layout you'd notice that the numbers of the same layer/group don't fall close as wheel neighbors, but neighbors contain nūmbers from different layers/groups...
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: esoito on July 12, 2017, 11:33:46 PM
[Cut'n'pasted from the Brainstorming thread]

Quote from: Albalaha on Today at 08:50:15 am

    Honestly speaking, I do not find any of the voodoo ideas working on a perfectly random(read unpredictible) game with built in house edge. No betselection will provide any conclusive edge or reduce the burden of house edge unless it is about physical bias in the wheel. Only way to go is to make a sensible plan that can sustain even the worst cases and win in a near average case in the long run. Oldschool money managements are all plain foolish and they force us lose what we can't get back later.


TheMagician's Reply:

Perhaps one could perceive much of what Esoito posted here as Voodoo ideas and then perhaps not. It's a matter of perspective (right view) of what exactly signifies Chaos and that sphere of continuous probability from where we come to perceive phenomena in a specific set we choose to call order, or, randomness (very unprecise word for what really signifies the subatomic layer of this universe where all waveforms are created).

Let me ask you this, your comment to this thread, do you believe it was a collected act of sheer random actions, or do you believe it was an act of a predetermined will and order that resulted in an equally orderly response (controlled creation and appearance)?

...ah..ah..ah..careful now..think before you respond, or is even the creation and sensed order of thoughts, random in themselves? ;)


Yes, well worded, Thomas. 

Anyone who regards the thread and its contents simply as as "voodoo ideas" is missing the point, and seriously lacking in the imagination/creativity skills.

For them the world is all tip and no iceberg. It's black and white. If you can't see it or measure it, touch it or taste it, then it doesn't exist.

Finally, I've already CLEARLY stated, Albalaha, that in the Brainstorming Thread itself:

* There is NO BAD IDEA.

* There will be no "right" or "wrong" ideas.

* ALL judgements and disbelief are to be suspended.

...and that it is NOT the place for discussion.


You were supposed to start up another thread if you wanted to discuss the contents. But you chose not to, Albalaha.

So this thread is now the place for discussion.




Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: esoito on July 13, 2017, 12:31:49 AM
RSW PDF

In the Number Prediction post I made available a PDF for download.

I mentioned that I'd tweaked and experimented with the formulas and settings.

I've written an experimental program. It  generates a predicted number based on the last 4 spins and continues to do this for the next few spins.

Betting commences once there are 4 predictions listed.

Now don't get too excited -- one swallow doesn't make a summer as the saying goes.  But it is surprisingly accurate from time to time, as you can see from the attached image.

After entering 9 spins, 4 predicted numbers have been generated for betting: 26  6  3  and  4

 [By the way, for testing I'm using  15k live spins -- NOT RNG --  collected by auto-software from Dublin Bet.]

The highlighted numbers show the outcome for the next 3 spins.

That was an exceptionally quick and successful outcome.

However, I'm finding one of the 4 predictions usually arrives within a dozen spins the most.

If it consistently delivers a winner within less than  9 spins [what you'd expect from chance betting 4 inside numbers out of 37] then a bit of excitement might be justified.

Meanwhile, testing continues, and I won't rushing to sell everything and dump the proceeds on the next set of predictions!


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Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: Mike on July 13, 2017, 07:38:33 AM
esoito,

In the BRAINSTORMING thread you wrote the following:

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Everything is energy vibrating at different frequencies.

Quantum entanglement and number flows is a rich seam for exploration.

Number vibrations is a field already successfully exploited after years of hard work by a forum member and his team of testers.

As regards quantum entanglement, I don't see how it can have any relevance to playing roulette because these quantum effects work on the subatomic scale, not in the realm of everyday objects such as roulette wheels (classical physics is the appropriate paradigm there). While it's true that there is some macroscopic quantum phenomena, such as superfluidity and superconduction, these are highly specialized applications. Here's an article (http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/a7355/spooky-quantum-entanglement-created-in-everyday-objects-6606439/) which seems to contradict this, and it even includes a reference to roulette. However, in spite of the attention grabbing headline, there are no quantum casinos:

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"In the classical world, chance outcomes have no strange correlations—the events at one roulette wheel in a casino have no effect on events at the other tables," says physicist Luming Duan from the University of Michigan, in a separate article in Science. But "in a quantum casino, we could imagine that roulette wheels are entangled, so that if one ball dropped on a black number, the ball at the next table must drop on red."

So with quantum entanglement, roulette outcomes are no longer independent! This would be a roulette player's dream, but quantum effects don't apply at this level.

Secondly, regarding number vibrations, is this a reference to numerology? If so, there appears to be no evidence that it works.  The following quotes are taken from the Wikipedia article on Numerology.

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Lack of evidence

Skeptics argue that numbers have no occult significance and cannot by themselves influence a person's life. Skeptics therefore regard numerology as a superstition and a pseudoscience that uses numbers to give the subject a veneer of scientific authority.[2]

Two studies have been done investigating numerological claims, both producing negative results, one in the UK in 1993,[10] and one in 2012 in Israel. The experiment in Israel involved a professional numerologist and 200 participants. The experiment was repeated twice and still produced negative results.[11]

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Attempts by gamblers to see patterns in random chance

Some players apply methods that are sometimes called numerological in games which involve numbers but no skill, such as bingo, roulette, keno, or lotteries. Although no strategy can be applied to increase odds in such games, players may employ "lucky numbers" to find what they think will help them. There is no evidence that any such "numerological strategy" yields a better outcome than pure chance, but the methods are sometimes encouraged, e.g. by casino owners.[17]

I'm not against "brainstorming" per se, and apparently wacky ideas can lead to genuinely useful insights, but there has to be some filtering process before implementing them, don't you agree? Otherwise we are wasting time which could be more profitably spent elsewhere.

Changing the subject, in your previous reply in this thread (#5) you mention the Number Prediction post; could you (or anyone) provide a link to this please? I can't find it.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: esoito on July 13, 2017, 08:17:27 AM
Thank you for your interesting contributions, Mike.

We have nearly 2000 members on this forum but, sadly, few of them can be bothered to discuss and debate.

I set up the brainstorming thread in the hopes that it would not only stimulate lively debate amongst regular posters, but also prod a few of the silent majority out of silence and non-involvement.  I'm sure many of them  interesting things to write and share....I just wish they would.

Anyway, now for a response to your question "...regarding number vibrations, is this a reference to numerology?"

No. It's not.

I'm hoping TheMagician [Thomas] might soon enter the discussion in response to that specific question.

Until, and if, he does, please read and ponder what he writes in this thread:  https://betselection.cc/roulette-forum/is-there-a-superior-bm-casino-roulette-system-that-can-beat-the-wheel/ (https://betselection.cc/roulette-forum/is-there-a-superior-bm-casino-roulette-system-that-can-beat-the-wheel/)

For over a year I have kept abreast of extraordinary advances he has made in his project that has been at least a decade in development.  He's being very ably assisted by a dedicated group of his 'test pilots' who help with testing and development of his revolutionary approach, in an invitation-only environment.

Mike, I wish I could say more about all that but I can't,  because I've entered into a confidentiality agreement. Sorry.  Not being evasive. It's a fact.

And I will never break that agreement and betray his trust in me.

More details are best left to TheMagician -- that is if he chooses to provide more information in an open, semi-public forum.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: esoito on July 13, 2017, 08:34:14 AM
Changing the subject, in your previous reply in this thread (#5) you mention the Number Prediction post; could you (or anyone) provide a link to this please? I can't find it.

Certainly. You'll find the PDF is available for download in the Number Prediction post in the Brainstorming thread.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: Mike on July 13, 2017, 10:41:12 AM
Thanks esoito. Good luck with your testing of the RSW system. I have to say that  I might be a little less sceptical if there weren't several links to online casinos at the end of the document.  ;)
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: Blue_Angel on July 13, 2017, 03:59:57 PM
Thanks esoito. Good luck with your testing of the RSW system. I have to say that  I might be a little less sceptical if there weren't several links to online casinos at the end of the document.  ;)

Are you implying that Max acting as affiliate of online casinos?

If Max fails to reply this, it would mean that he silently confirms it.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: Mike on July 13, 2017, 06:16:30 PM
esoito isn't the author of the RSW system, so no, I'm not implying he's an affiliate of those casinos mentioned in the PDF.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: plolp on July 13, 2017, 06:25:11 PM

Just to say that ramtha = sect .
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: Blue_Angel on July 13, 2017, 06:26:42 PM
Just to say that ramtha = sect .

What's the meaning of this?
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: AsymBacGuy on July 13, 2017, 08:35:51 PM
If someone wants to be long term winner he/she has to act like the casino.
The casino doesn't attempting to predict but profits when predictions fail.
It's much more easier to gain from what is not going to happen rather than trying to predict what will happen.

Pure gold. No jokes.

as.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: AsymBacGuy on July 13, 2017, 09:23:12 PM
Casinos win money because of their mathematical expectancy and this is linearly related with the numbers of bets we'll make.
Betting less alone will not cancel or invert the casino's math edge, still casinos will collect less money from us for sure.
Moreover our winning probability is directly related with the probability of success and inversely related with the number of attempts made to get a profit.

The negative edge impact will show up for sure itlr, yet our probability of success will improve when p is quite huge.
Thus we should consider the game as an infinite series of very short sessions and not as an infinite session.
Short sessions may get the casino as loser, almost never long sessions will make casino as loser.

If for whatever reason we could discard 4-5 numbers from the whole 38 numbers spectrum we'll get a temporary edge.
Surely this situation cannot last for long but it will happen. Definetely.

as.
 



 

 

 


 
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: Blue_Angel on July 13, 2017, 10:47:55 PM
Pure gold. No jokes.

as.

Thank you for your kind words, really appreciated it.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: esoito on July 13, 2017, 11:01:45 PM
Are you implying that Max acting as affiliate of online casinos?

If Max fails to reply this, it would mean that he silently confirms it.

Mike has already answered your question in the negative.  Thank you, Mike.

Just for the record:  I. Am. Not. An. Affiliate. For. Any. Service. Or. Product. Associated. With. Gambling.  Nor do I ever intend to be.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: esoito on July 14, 2017, 03:21:47 AM
Thanks esoito. Good luck with your testing of the RSW system. I have to say that  I might be a little less sceptical if there weren't several links to online casinos at the end of the document.  ;)

And thank you, too, Mike.

Like you, I was somewhat put off by the author's links to casinos at the end.  In such cases the document is usually a cynical vehicle to simply make money from others' losses via the affiliation links(s).

I was on the point of deleting it for that reason, but my internal editor told me not to be too hasty and to at least read the document first.

Glad I did.

Basically, I'm testing the various tweaks and changes I've made to the formulas. Early days, but results thus far have been been positive enough to deserve a bit more of my remaining life-span in some more tests.

Golden Ratio
I'm hoping to have the same success I did with a program I wrote to exploit the Golden Ratio.

One of the members here uses it both for roulette and for baccarat, and is delighted with the profits. 

In case you're wondering, then no, I didn't sell it to him as it's not for sale. I gave it to him.  After all, he believed in what I was trying to achieve. And he was so supportive and encouraging during some very dark moments that he deserved to share in the final success.


Sound Roulette
Another successful program was based on the sound frequencies of the colours black and red.

I paid to have it coded as a bot.  [Once one accepts that everything is energy and vibrates at a particular frequency then such an approach is less confronting to closed minds. Anything that challenges their orthodoxy is, to them,threat.]

It was going really well when WHill changed the screen display of their airball and the bot ground to a halt.

Sadly, Tiago, the bot coder took up further tertiary studies and had no time to make the modifications. So Sound Roulette awaits another kickstart...one day...when I get around to it....

Chords
Related to the approach is software based on chords created by numbers and combinations of numbers. Now that is doing really well. 

Each session is a maximum of 4 spins only. A session stops on the first profit. Or it stops on a 4-spin loss.

Tests were done on live spins collected from Wiesbaden, Dortmund and DunlinBet.

Here are Cumulative Profit summaries -- FOR 1-UNIT FLAT BETS ONLY ON 12 NUMBERS MAXIMUM, PER BET  -- from multiple test-sessions run on live spins from the three casinos:

Wiesbaden 50 Sessions: ENDED: 06:47:16 AFTER  4  SPINS and 4 bets
Won:   Lost: 4  PROFIT: -46    [CUMULATIVE PROFIT: 105]   Count = 50
--------------------------------------------
Dortmund 32 Sessions: ENDED: 09:43:00 AFTER  2  SPINS and 2 bets
Won: 1  Lost: 1  PROFIT: 12    [CUMULATIVE PROFIT: 195]   Count = 32
--------------------------------------------
DublinBet 135 Sessions: ENDED: 15:28:54 AFTER  1  SPINS and 1 bets
Won: 1  Lost: 0  PROFIT: 25    [CUMULATIVE PROFIT: 630]   Count = 135
--------------------------------------------
 
I mention all this not to brag. 

And not to sell anything -- nothing is for sale.

But to reassure members on two points:

1  flat betting can work if you find the right bet and play short sessions. It certainly works for me, as you can see above.

2  despite naysayers and closed minds there are profitable approaches if one is prepared to be open-minded [not gullible], creative, explorative and -- above all -- patient.

Suspending disbelief can so often have positive effects.


Some Advice

If they've read this far, some will shake their heads and probably wonder if I'm the full dozen in the egg carton. Doesn't bother me. I'm the one with the runs on the board!

A few might decide to follow-up some of the ideas in the Brainstorming thread.

If that's you, then a word of advice:  If you're not a persistent or a patient person, then my advice is don't do it.

Why?

Because you will likely become very frustrated, irritable and stressed during the process. And that's not good, especially if you're in a relationship.


And Finally...

Any requests for more information on my approaches mentioned above will fall on deaf ears [or, rather, blind eyes] so don't bother.

I have no intention of giving away the fruits of months and months of time, patience, persistence, creativity and energy.


Follow your own star...
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: AsymBacGuy on July 14, 2017, 08:55:25 PM
Nice to read this!

I have always sayed that roulette players are the best gambling researchers providing a lot of useful thoughts and inputs that most part of bj or baccarat experts cannot dream of.

I'm proud to be a member of this site.

as.
 

Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: Blue_Angel on July 14, 2017, 09:21:49 PM
I mention all this not to brag. 

And not to sell anything -- nothing is for sale.

But to reassure members on two points:

1  flat betting can work if you find the right bet and play short sessions. It certainly works for me, as you can see above.

Flat bet provides milder fluctuations, your highs will be lower and your lows will be higher, all in all no advantage there.
Besides, if you really believe in what you are doing why not reinforcing selection with a progression?

2  despite naysayers and closed minds there are profitable approaches if one is prepared to be open-minded [not gullible], creative, explorative and -- above all -- patient.

Suspending disbelief can so often have positive effects.


Some Advice

If they've read this far, some will shake their heads and probably wonder if I'm the full dozen in the egg carton. Doesn't bother me. I'm the one with the runs on the board!

A few might decide to follow-up some of the ideas in the Brainstorming thread.

If that's you, then a word of advice:  If you're not a persistent or a patient person, then my advice is don't do it.

Why?

Because you will likely become very frustrated, irritable and stressed during the process. And that's not good, especially if you're in a relationship.

I'm embracing your thesis, great advice!  :thumbsup:

And Finally...

Any requests for more information on my approaches mentioned above will fall on deaf ears [or, rather, blind eyes] so don't bother.

I have no intention of giving away the fruits of months and months of time, patience, persistence, creativity and energy.


Follow your own star...

Nobody asked you a thing, so what are you blathering about?
Perhaps you secretly hope for someone to offer you a good deal of money in order to convince you.
Last but not least, since you always bet by softwares I assume you are not playing at B&M casinos, or your approach will be as good as random without your electronic aid.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: esoito on July 14, 2017, 11:05:30 PM
Nobody asked you a thing,  so what are you blathering about?

I'm getting in first to prevent any such requests for more information eventuating.

People often join these sorts of forums simply as leeches. They download stuff, copy stuff and feed off others' efforts, but contribute nothing whatsoever back into the forum.

They're easily identified, of course.

 I don't have the time or energy or inclination to deal with enquiries from those users who show no active participation in the forum.


Blathering apparently means "to talk foolishly". 

If you and I are to get on, let it be from a basis of politeness and respect.



Perhaps you secretly hope for someone to offer you a good deal of money in order to convince you.

And perhaps not. 

That's twice now you have tried to impugn me. [The other time was when you suggested I benefited from casino links even though I was clearly not the author of the document concerned.]

Be warned -- if you do it again I will take action. 

Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: esoito on July 15, 2017, 11:09:14 PM
Card counting for Baccarat!

The best way to predict the future is to create it!

Imagine each casino as different universe, now imagine each table as different galaxy with its own reality, separate from the others.

Create a sequence of hypothetical outcomes, go to casino, pick a table and see the first few results how they are.

Remember, the good day seems from the morning, whatever is more possible will happen during the first few outcomes.

Did you like what you saw?
No? Then it's time to move to another galaxy.
Yes? Then just stick around!

The above is a response to Reply 15 by alrelax.   

Moved from Brainstorming Thread to here. 
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: esoito on July 15, 2017, 11:39:32 PM
In the Brainstorming thread I wrote:  "Quantum entanglement and number flows is a rich seam for exploration."

So ponder this:     http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-40594387 (http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-40594387)      [Thanks to Bally6354 for the alert]

The whole topic is based on Quantum Entanglement.

Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: Blue_Angel on September 25, 2017, 07:06:37 AM
Regarding the inverted strategy mentioned by Esoito I'd like to add a few things.

By analyzing results in a retrospective fashion we could realize the significance of the sequence's order.

Each and every new result leads us to a new decision to make (what and/or how much to bet).
For example 2 players applying the same betting system but entering on game in different time would bet different and their bottom line would also be different.
You could imagine the whole situation as a tornado/cyclone, variance "pushes" bets gradually higher and towards the outer rings like a centrifugal force.

But why this happens?
A fixed set of rules (system/bet selection) is a static condition while variance is a dynamic, when 2 opposing conditions meet it's going to prevail the stronger, they couldn't coexist because are different, but in case we had 2 of the same then they would merge to 1 greater.

In other words don't try to tame in vain the variance waves when you only have to "ride" them.
Progressions and stop win/loss limits wouldn't be necessary if there was proper bet selection on the first place.
It doesn't help to realize the obvious after it happens, "I'm losing so let's stop from this table or for today..."
"I'm winning so let's run to the exit before my luck changes..."

The really important and useful would be to prevent big loss before it happens, so the million $ question is how!
Common sense says that before it's going to rain you'll see clouds in the sky...from the time you notice the first clouds gathering till the first raindrops there will be sufficient time to open an umbrella or to get indoors...

It's all about perception and interpretation, when I focus on what I should then I've 2 available options since I cannot stop the "rain", change what I'm currently doing (umbrella) or quit (get indoors).
We cannot set a universal stop win/loss limit simply because there's no 1 size fits all situations!

Therefore we have to adapt a flexible strategy in order to adjust to the ever changing stream of events.
The game could be one or two way street, we've to live with both situations in order to come out on top.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: AsymBacGuy on September 25, 2017, 08:44:24 PM

Therefore we have to adapt a flexible strategy in order to adjust to the ever changing stream of events.
The game could be one or two way street, we've to live with both situations in order to come out on top.

Again another great post from Blue Angel.

And I personally like the quoted part of it.

"Flexibility" is what a roulette strategy should aim for, the problem arises when we want to assess the terms of intervention of such flexibility.
We can't predict if the actual rain will stop in minutes or hours or days. But we could better estimate how many different rainy days will stop in a given amount of minutes, hours or days.   


'Inversion’ is a strategy that looks at problems in reverse, to minimise the negatives instead of maximising the positives'

Excellent strategy. I'll write my personal comments later.

as.









 

 





Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: AsymBacGuy on September 26, 2017, 01:38:23 AM
Unfortunately negative situations are longer and more frequent than positive situations.
 
So in order to reduce negative situations, imo the best tool to utilize  is stopping them right at the start.
From an economic point of view, after any loss the most likely scenario will be another loss.
The same after two conseuctive losses and so on.

Without going into statistical details, imo the magic number to look for is 1 and only 1.
1 may go to 2 or going back to zero.
On the losing side 1 will go more often to 2 whereas on the winning side 1 will go to zero more often than not.

Of course whenever the actual state is zero, we'll get more losing 1s than winning 1s.

Everything up to some points as a random walk deprived from a shifting factor (negative edge) must follow some statistical (still unbeatable) guidelines.

Good news are that after having reached different cutoff 1 points, certain machines cannot forget to go forward or back in somewhat predictable fashions as their basic random process dictates this.

At the eyes machine, the negative edge remains the same, but it's not our probability of success.

Nonetheless and given the general huge disadvantage, our strategy should be oriented to minimize the losses forever and ever. 
At the risk to lose the rare situations where we could have missed a lot of consecutive winning hands.

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Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: Blue_Angel on September 26, 2017, 04:20:22 AM
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Without going into statistical details, imo the magic number to look for is 1 and only 1.
1 may go to 2 or going back to zero.
On the losing side 1 will go more often to 2 whereas on the winning side 1 will go to zero more often than not.

By reading this someone could assume that you are speaking about EC bets exclusively, that principle is not valid for other kind of bets.
In general when you win you don't lose, and when you lose you don't win, there is no middle ground and you cannot have one without the other.

So by focusing on how I could win more I'd effectively minimizing my losses too, the strongest attack is the best defence...when gamblers reacting on given outcomes they get controlled by the variance, but when there is a well laid out plan beforehand then you take the lead instead of reacting and victimising yourself.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: AsymBacGuy on September 28, 2017, 12:45:26 AM
By reading this someone could assume that you are speaking about EC bets exclusively, that principle is not valid for other kind of bets.


Exactly and you know well I wasn't talking about EC bets :-)

Hope to meet you in Vegas for a dinner. Or, most likely, in Montecarlo ;-)

as.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: Blue_Angel on April 16, 2018, 12:46:22 AM
Thank you Max for sharing something so interesting (I rarely thank anyone for sharing as I rarely see appreciation from others for my efforts).


Just a couple of questions, I assume you had good results but for how long, are the results sufficient in order to prove something?


Does it have to do with numerology?
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: esoito on April 16, 2018, 01:51:17 AM
Thank you Max for sharing something so interesting (I rarely thank anyone for sharing as I rarely see appreciation from others for my efforts).

My pleasure. And thank you for your kind comment.


Just a couple of questions, I assume you had good results but for how long, are the results sufficient in order to prove something?

Good question. 

To answer it, here's part of what I emailed to my colleague only yesterday:


"Another excellent and potentially profitable result for the file just received from you -- thanks for that.

We shall see for certain once it goes through the program I've yet to write.

But I'm satisfied there is sufficient prima facie evidence of attraction between 3 6 9 in time, and 3 6 9 in the  flow of numbers being spun, regardless of RNG or live as the source,  to warrant further exploration via the proposed software."


So as you see,  a work in progress, but with what we believe to be great potential.

The proof of the pudding is in the eating -- hence the need for the software to do the heavy-lifting-number-crunching.

Does it have to do with numerology?

According to this Wikipedia definition:

"Numerology is any belief in the divine or mystical relationship between a number and one or more coinciding events. It is also the study of the numerical value of the letters in words, names and ideas. It is often associated with the paranormal, alongside astrology and similar divinatory arts."


We seem to have found a "... relationship between a number and one or more coinciding events."

I have to confess it's rather taken us by surprise!

However, whether or not it's divine or mystical is unclear...Maybe...Maybe not.


Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: alrelax on April 16, 2018, 01:57:47 AM


Your last sentence is spot-on.  I would say in my own words, sometimes sometimes not or at times it applies and at times it does not.  It all depends on the presentments.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: Blue_Angel on April 16, 2018, 02:09:39 AM
I believe there are much more than meet the eye and we should try to keep an open mind.
Reality is only limited by what we know (or think we know).
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: greenguy on April 16, 2018, 12:31:54 PM
Not knowing what it is that you are applying to the 3.6.9, once it does go through the program you've yet to write, would it be possible to also test other number groups for comparison? Initially 2.5.8, and 1.4.7, and for a complete study, every 3 number combination from 1 through 9?

It would be very interesting to see if the grouping 3.6.9 outperformed all other groupings.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: Blue_Angel on April 16, 2018, 08:22:12 PM
Not knowing what it is that you are applying to the 3.6.9, once it does go through the program you've yet to write, would it be possible to also test other number groups for comparison? Initially 2.5.8, and 1.4.7, and for a complete study, every 3 number combination from 1 through 9?

It would be very interesting to see if the grouping 3.6.9 outperformed all other groupings.


I'm interested about it too, Max I'd appreciated your feedback, thanks.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: esoito on April 16, 2018, 11:25:28 PM
Just to clarify:

I'm not talking about betting on the numbers 3,  6 and 9 per se.

Our research is aimed at several number combinations we have identified that involve underlying patterns of 3 or 6 or 9, or even all three.

These are:

* various number combinations which are based on number 3

* various number combinations which are based on number 6

* various number combinations which are based on number 9

 and

* how they relate to specific times of appearance, which are also based on 3, 6,  9


Why 3 and 6 and 9?  Because they are the specific numbers identified by Tesla.

More than enough work there to keep me from playing on the road for quite a while! Especially as my time and energy is limited by other commitments.


But your query could perhaps open up ideas for others to follow.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: Blue_Angel on April 17, 2018, 12:45:26 AM
Just to clarify:

I'm not talking about betting on the numbers 3,  6 and 9 per se.

Our research is aimed at several number combinations we have identified that involve underlying patterns of 3 or 6 or 9, or even all three.

These are:

* various number combinations which are based on number 3

* various number combinations which are based on number 6

* various number combinations which are based on number 9

 and

* how they relate to specific times of appearance, which are also based on 3, 6,  9


Why 3 and 6 and 9?  Because they are the specific numbers identified by Tesla.

More than enough work there to keep me from playing on the road for quite a while! Especially as my time and energy is limited by other commitments.


But your query could perhaps open up ideas for others to follow.


I presume that you are not talking about the finals, for example when you say numbers related to 3 you mean 3, 12, 21 and 30 OR 3, 13, 23 and 33, which of these groups??
The first is related numerologicaly while the second group is related according to finals.
My opinion is that since you are following Nicola Tesla clues you are not betting finals.
There could be a number of ways to combine them, for example if we would count them as group and not individually then there would be too many combinations to take under consideration, for example the numbers 4, 11, 23, 25 could be considered as 9 group even are not related directly with any of the 3,6,9 properties.
That's because 4+11+23+25=63 and 6+3=9
If you are combining in such way then all numbers could be related with 3,6,9 properties, but I think you are not doing this because you wouldn't know what to bet since all would fit.


From the other hand, if you consider each number strictly related to properties of 3,6 and 9 groups then you would discard 25 numbers including 0, that's because group 3 is related directly with 3,12,21 and 30, group 6 is directly related with 6,15,24 and 33, group 9 is directly related with numbers 9,18,27 and 36.


Both approaches seem flawed on first sight but for different reasons.
By timing your selection you probably mean to bet only every 3 spins since 3,6,9 are all multiples of 3, yet that doesn't equate necessarily that you will bet every third spin because your criteria don't allow frequent betting.


Please confirm and/or decline where appropriate, thank you.
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: esoito on April 17, 2018, 03:10:36 AM
That's a familiar process you're exploring above -- set up a hypothesis and then test it.

Refine and test...refine and test...

It's a matter of looking under rocks, exploring various tunnels. Some lead to other tunnels; some are dead-ends.

Already, with your observations above you've started a journey on Tesla's 369 train.  Why not continue your journey?

I can certainly confirm the journey is time-consuming and often frustrating. Sometimes disappointing. It even goes off the rails at times.

As to the destination, mine is to complete the journey for the lowest possible cost and for the best profit possible.

At this early stage of exploration it would be unwise to rule anything out, despite how things might seem at first sight.

Your excellent observation is worth repeating:  "Reality is only limited by what we know (or think we know)."

In taking up you invitation to confirm or decline I must decline to comment further lest I send folk in the wrong direction, or lest I restrict their freedom to discover for themselves by explaining my own parameters and restrictions thus far.

They need to work out their own travel plans on the 369 train. 

Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: Blue_Angel on April 17, 2018, 06:09:06 PM
I'm puzzled by your attitude, first you provide sufficient clues to attract some interest and then you bluntly refuse to incorporate any further!  :-\ ::)
However, I respect your indisputable right to decline any additional exposure, but why did you initiate it on the first place?
If I was something like a troll I'd claim that you are playing the secret squirrel game...but I don't!
One thing is for sure, what you are up to might be interesting but cannot be considered as proven (not even to you and your colleague), thus why the secrecy for something which might be proved baloney(as 99.9% of all cases in long term basis)?
More minds accomplish more and faster than fewer, just think about it.
Besides, doesn't it what such forum's purpose suppose to serve?
To share, collaborate and progress together?
Title: Re: DISCUSSION ABOUT BRAINSTORMING THREAD
Post by: esoito on April 17, 2018, 11:16:17 PM
My original 369 post was in the Brainstorming Thread.

To correct you, I didn't initiate the discussion about 369 in this thread.

Instead, I offered the courtesy of a reply to a couple of questions asked about that topic I posted in the Brainstroming thread..

If you don't like the answers, or feel they were inadequate, you'll have to cope as best you can. What you like, or what you feel, is not my responsibility.

I have no interest in being drawn into an argument.

At this point, I have no further comments to make on this topic. Maybe later.

Sufficient unto the day...