The first decision of the council is: ROLL IT ALL BACK:
This is a most-pertinent quote from a saavy mod:
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[...] sometimes we simply have to accept a via media -- a compromise position -- is a sensible course of action. As in this case.
Otherwise we will have dissension, disruption and uncertainty that will drive members away. It happened before, didn't it, when SH flexed his muscles?
Just accept his conditions.
Then we can move forward from there with a stable platform for the future.
So the forum goes back to exactly where we were, Steve's ads are going to be run "Ad perpetuum" here.
Just for the record: I, Victor, Reinstated Admin, personally think a lifetime of free ads is excessive.
But I accept it if that's what it takes for the stability and long-term peace of our community.
If there has to be ad's,at least DON'T have them as Pop-Up's.
As that is a sure way of putting-off potential guest's to return to become members.
Regards.
Dino.
Bravo!! Onwards and upwards. :applause: :applause:
OK. So the forum has an albatross around its neck. Well, worse things have happened at sea. The Ancient Mariner will tell you that....
Pop ups while reading would be a drag.
Otherwise, forget them.
People are probably wise to Steve anyway, don't you think.
Anyway, "There's a sucker born every minute!" still holds water for me. If they don't lose it with Steve, they'll invest with Thomas Grant and lose it there.
Who cares?
Sam
While it's true they are forced, there's absolutely nothing about the "how" or "where" the ads should be placed.
Steve banned mentions or linking to here. So it isn't a surprise his ads belong to the bottom of the pages, with a proper message above them.
If Steve wants popups, I'm flat keen to give up being owner/admin just for the pleasure of removing them altogether. He's better to keep them for the benefit of search engines.
I've banned myself already from his premises. Changed the password of my accounts typing whatever with my closed eyes and changed the email address to garbage so they are fully unrecoverable.
He's leaving it clear site support is a one-way street with him; he doesn't want anything to do with us other than reaping on our visitors, so it isn't surprising his ads are moved to the bottom.
I don't have any problem. I rather want you to be the permanent administrator. Please do not sell the forum to Steve for any reason or excuse otherwise I will be the last person to talk to you.
Quote from: VLS on November 21, 2012, 03:25:04 PM
I've banned myself already from his premises. Changed the password of my accounts typing whatever with my closed eyes and changed the email address to any garbage so they are fully unrecoverable.
That's how gizmotron was banned at the original VLS Roulette forum. I did myself in.
Quote from: albalaha on November 21, 2012, 04:27:45 PM
I don't have any problem. I rather want you to be the permanent administrator. Please do not sell the forum to Steve for any reason or excuse otherwise I will be the last person to talk to you.
Al. You know I've had the other site
closed before selling to Steve again...
Quote from: Gizmotron on November 21, 2012, 04:29:42 PM
That's how gizmotron was banned at the original VLS Roulette forum. I did myself in.
At times that's the last stand a user has...
I am not at all surprised by this. This is deja vu.
With such a forum administrator to choose between the old vls forum and CC is like choosing to support the brightest of two *****. Both belong to the same person and both benefit the same wallet. He made it clear in his last post about Johnlegend that he does not care for people just anything but their messages to help bring visitors from search sites. Well, not exactly people were they called by him.
I am glad I ended my accounts with both sites long ago.
If he wants to have anything to do here beyond advertising please count me as another that leaves.
While nothing more than advertising and he does not get in our daily do we are better here anyway.
I don't think ads are an issue....pop ups are. Just my opinion,
QuoteAl. You know I've had the other site closed before selling to Steve again...
Then I think, we can better live with Steve's ads than leaving you as admin.
Private comments are one thing, but I really think PUBLIC slamming and criticising of other forums and their owner should now STOP.
Surely, enough is enough.
Let's just drop that particular topic and all move on to what this forum is really all about.
QuotePUBLIC slamming and criticising of other forums and their owner should now STOP.
Sadly, this noble thought is not there with the guy you are supporting so much with his forums had "Mark **** fraud" explained in the home page itself and has a false review site made to bash all system sellers except him.
Someone who has been jailed for cheating masses is trying to defend the world from scammers and if such people wants to be worshipped even after bashing many dedicated members on false pretext and later removing them even after positive votes in their favor, it is ridiculous.
If you want to see the reality and acceptability of Steve in our place, why not open a voting for this?
And may I show your own feelings regarding Free Speech:Voltaire must be spinning in his grave over comments written by the owner of a gaming forum about a member simply because the owner of the forum does not agree with what the member writes, and the methods that member espouses.May that NEVER happen here.
This forum should be the place where ideas can be freely expressed, tested and tweaked without ridicule, fear or favour. If we read something we disagree with we have two choices:1 Express our thoughts politely and tactfully with consideration of the other person's feelings 2 Change the channel -- switch to another thread entirely and ignore the one that we disagree with.How often is somebody hurt because of the WAY an opposite opinion is expressed? More often than not I would think. For this to continue to be a happy, gentle and productive place two things need to happen:- We all need to be sensitive and careful in how we write our opinions of others' ideas and thoughts. (Choose our words carefully as though we are the recipient)
- And us Moderators need to be vigilant and make it possible for YOU to continue to write...
Yes, it's a fine line. isn't it?
My point is that it's time to end the continual PUBLIC criticism -- it serves no useful purpose but detracts from the tone of the forum as a "happy, productive and gentle place."
Free speech has to be used responsibly.
And some of the statements being made are dangerously close to LIBEL.
As a moderator, I'm trying to act responsibly by encouraging members to steer our energies into more productive outlets.
By the way, in so doing I'm not defending the indefensible.
But I am saying enough criticism is enough. Time to stop it and move on.
QuoteBut I am saying enough criticism is enough. Time to stop it and move on.
Ok. Cease fire. I won't comment upon him till someone starts singing praises of him. OK?
What caused this decision? And, how much do we need to keep this forum up and functional without ads altogether?
QuoteWhat caused this decision? And, how much do we need to keep this forum up and functional without ads altogether?
Wally, it is not about money. Steve is not paying anything for ads, as Victor said. Victor is under some contractual/moral obligation to put Ads of Steve on every site that he owns. Do you want to lose Victor as admin for the sake of removing Steve's ads?
Indeed, it's not a matter of losing the monthly fee from the ads because there isn't any.
We can put up with them in the bottom, I guess since we're all saavy it will serve him for search engines and won't really disrupt us here. It's pretty clear they aren't part of the forum by being laid after the forum's layout/template, not to mention the 3rd-party ads advice.
So, I'll keep on doing my best as an admin so we can get past this. Right now the best course of action being the old adage: Let's move on.
OK, got it. And, yes, moving on is always better.