Can anyone recommend a Flat Betting System that actually works, I don't mind a grinder but it must win more than it loses (obviously)..?
Any thoughts..?
Quote from: topcat888 on December 02, 2012, 06:15:01 PM
Can anyone recommend a Flat Betting System that actually works, I don't mind a grinder but it must win more than it loses (obviously)..?
Any thoughts..?
There are some good flat betting system, but none which match your specification (obviously).
Quote from: Ralph on December 02, 2012, 06:25:20 PM
There are some good flat betting system, but none which match your specification
Then how can they be good and what's the point in playing them if they don't win more than they loose..?? ???
Spike has an even chance, flat betting method that is based on reading randomness and then uses an educated guess to select the next bet.
Funny... I'll take it aren't any then.
Quote from: topcat888 on December 02, 2012, 06:59:39 PM
Funny... I take it aren't any then.
It's actually easy if you know what to look for. But it's impossible if you never look. It's even worse if your IQ is only a few points above room temperature. Most people never bother looking in this direction until after giving up on all the known mechanical and rule based betting systems. The only thing that works is experience and understanding of the nature of current conditions. Everything that happens in a session of Roulette can be reduced to one of three conditions. That will give you the chance to deliberately cause one of three kinds of results. The winning method is to take control.
What you do with this is up to you. You won't be the first to reject it, if you do.
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There are some good flat betting system, but none which match your specification (obviously).
blunt but the most honest answer. :applause:
Quote from: KingsRoulette on December 02, 2012, 07:18:54 PM
blunt but the most honest answer. :applause:
I'm just curious. Have you just about gotten done with your system period? Have you done any work on randomness yet? Can you describe the basic characteristics in a chart of past spins? Can you see all these characteristics in a chart through a quick glance using visual dexterity? These are prerequisite skills of anyone attempting to acquire skills regarding randomness as a method.
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Can you see an over all continuing theme in this:
++^^^++++^^+++^^^++^^++++^^^+++^^^^+++^^++++^^^^^+++++^^+++^^^++
Had anyone come across this commonly occurring phenomenon by the ninth occurrence they would still had twelve more chances to treat the casino as a personal ATM machine. If people can sit around all day for two or three units, placing bets blindly, because the rules say to bet that way, then at $500 per bet this sequence would have net $6,000 flat betting. This sequence is not a once in a lifetime occurrence. These kinds of things happen day in and day out. You can confirm all this by searching actual spins.
You of course have the aforementioned skill and as a consequence are doing very well for you self... :applause:
Quote from: topcat888 on December 02, 2012, 08:39:55 PM
You of course have the aforementioned skill and as a consequence are doing very well for you self... :applause:
And now for the good stuff. You have to ask yourself why I would actually divulge a working method. Why would I openly answer every question and attempt to teach those skills to others. Because I have that answer too.
Ok Giz, start a new thread in order to teach everyone the Black art of Random Reading and I'll be in the front row listening intently, taking notes..! :thumbsup:
Quote from: topcat888 on December 02, 2012, 06:15:01 PM
Can anyone recommend a Flat Betting System that actually works, I don't mind a grinder but it must win more than it loses (obviously)..?
Any thoughts..?
Yes -- my thoughts are that this is a VERY good question. It's one that has gone through my mind more than once.
And it's well worth a HELPFUL, DIRECT ANSWER, instead of oblique references to a solution that you've been offered thus far.
Wait patiently for an answer!
After all, you've only had 3 replies out of the whole roulette community!!
There are still almost 150 members here yet to take the trouble to post a reply.
My opinion -- for what it's worth -- is that a solution:
- probably lies with inside numbers
- probably involves The Law Of The Third
- probably involves "hot" numbers
Combine all three...add a pinch of luck...and maybe you'll have a recipe for success.
Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on December 02, 2012, 11:11:48 PM
There is a bunch of simple systems that i play flat bet and still grind out a profit, however i can not state that they win forever. Everything works within the the frame of win target and stop-loss.
Let me know if you are interested.
:thumbsup:
Cheers
I'm sure MANY members would be interested!!
Would you be kind enough to post one or two of your favourite ones in this thread?
Quote from: topcat888 on December 02, 2012, 09:10:31 PM
Ok Giz, start a new thread in order to teach everyone the Black art of Random Reading and I'll be in the front row listening intently, taking notes..! :thumbsup:
Already did:
http://betselection.cc/meta-selection/the-simple-explanation-attacking-trends/ (http://betselection.cc/meta-selection/the-simple-explanation-attacking-trends/)
For flat betting to work, you must have an excellent
bet selection process. Almost nobody concentrates
on BS, they all want the quick fix of a progression.
Finding good bet selection takes months and years
of study, better get started... :stress:
Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on December 03, 2012, 12:43:46 AM
So the above are verifiable simulations with Random.org outcomes. I know the system is very very simple, and it amazes me that it produces this actual results. But it does, so far...
Maybe the above should be moved to Method's results Section of the forum. Sorry for that, please Victor if you may...
>:D
hi MarignyGrilleau, & thanks for taking the time to test :thumbsup: I'm not sure how it will hold up flatbetting though.
I'm pleased to see those results, though it was more conceived to take advantage of imbalances... but if it works, or is at least balanced.... :)
Well, this raises a question in my mind.
I posted an even money system under the private section. Not one reply. I've used it a few times and so far, it is OK. It is by a very quiet person named Dane who seems to be very intelligent in these flat-bet matters.
What's that private section for? If we put all the good stuff out here where every swingin' dick in the world can see it, what's the point in a private section?
Dane posted another one on the "other" forum.
Don't sell this guy short until you take a look at his stuff.
DISCLAIMER
Since we now have the negative, "it won't work" crowd here, I don't give a marshmallow's chance in hell what you think of my posts.
Sam
Dane has posted another system on the old fourm, VLSroulette.com
I have deciphered it!! LOL
I will test it with the numbers from Spielbank for the 5th of December, table 2,3,4.7. Four tests.
This man says it wins. I would not doubt him.
His XOXOX has won every time I played it.
He may SHOOT me for posting this.
:forbidden: <------------No More Sam!!
P.S. Today is Monday the 3rd at around noon Redneck Standard Time.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 03, 2012, 03:46:58 PM
Since we now have the negative, "it won't work" crowd here...
And what a shame that is too.Thanks Sam, I'll take a look...
This system is simple. Look at the Excel matrix. (Lord!! I'm using a matrix!!)
All you do is cross off numbers as they come until you have 5 crossed off either vertically or horizontally. Then bet the sixth, unhit number. If it appears both horizontally and vertically--which can happen often--bet it twice.
Flat bet. Quit on a win--ahead or behind and track new.
Sam
One thing that I am 100% convinced about is that there is no mechanical system that will win flat betting in the long term.
Conditions CAN change on every spin or stay the same. I think any winning flat bet system would need to keep evaluating things after every spin. (This is where progressions are appealing to some players because it kind of gives the illusion that a winner is just around the corner. So heck, why not just stick to the same numbers)
So it then comes down to how many different conditions can you spot and how you are going to go about tackling them. That is a lot of work you are talking about right there and not something that can be written up in a neat paragraph or two.
I always laugh when I read posters argue that a winning system should be simple. Tell that to Stanford Wong or Pelayos ;) . The trick eventually is to turn something very complex into something simple to play in the dragons den. I compare it to a recipe. A little bit less or a little bit more can sour the whole thing. It really does have to be just right.
cheers
Bally and all
I don't know if this thing of Dane's will work or not. To me, he is a no-nonsense guy who shoots straight. He's nice; he explains with humor. Says his systems win. We'll see.
But he is NOT static; he moves around and quits when certain conditions apply.
Sam
Thanks Sam.
I never thought of a 6x6 box before!
It opens up a whole new world! :applause:
I did have one quick idea just thinking about it!
Here we go....
I will use the numbers Dane used in his first example.
1,2,3,4,5,(6)
7,8,9,10,11,12
13,14,15,16,17,18
19,20,21,22,23,24
25,26,27,28,29,30
31,32,33,34,35,36
I will put the appearing numbers in ( ) like I just did with the 6.
Number 6 belongs to line 1.
Number 10 comes...
1,2,3,4,5,(6)
7,8,9,(10),11,12
13,14,15,16,17,18
19,20,21,22,23,24
25,26,27,28,29,30
31,32,33,34,35,36
Only play in lines where you have a hit and play the opposites. Don't play a number already hit.
So now play 7,8,9,11 and 1,2,3,5.
36 comes...
1,2,3,4,5,(6)
7,8,9,(10),11,12
13,14,15,16,17,18
19,20,21,22,23,24
25,26,27,28,29,30
31,32,33,34,35,(36)
So now play 7,8,9,11 and 1,2,3,5 and 31,32,33,35
27 comes...
1,2,3,4,5,(6)
7,8,9,(10),11,12
13,14,15,16,17,18
19,20,21,22,23,24
25,26,(27),28,29,30
31,32,33,34,35,(36)
Now play 7,8,11 and 1,2,5 and 31,32,35 and 25,26,29
31 comes...
You could restart after any win.
It's just an idea. I will play around with it a bit and see what happens. :thumbsup:
Dane's System Test 12 5 Table 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4WDh6qyVHo#)
Oh goody! Another 'redneck production'
I love 'em. :))
cheers
cheers Sam.
I looked at Dane's instructions on VLS and I think he kind of messed them up a bit.
I understand your instructions and it's the kind of bet that I like because of the low initial outlay. You can get away to a flyer with these types of methods. I will give it a try.
thanks :thumbsup:
You're welcome guys. Three more to come when time permits.
Iggiv is very tight-lipped about anything he does.
Sam
My sheets did not come out right. Tomorrow I'll video it.
table 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90f0-XXJxgI#)
table 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvcjKspswoo#)
table 7 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDwe80wA0cw#)
Thanks for finding it Sam, would be interesting to automate it to 'bang through' hundreds of different sessions, to prove it either way..?
cat
Remember, it is not promised to win every trot. Dane says it wins over the long haul just flat betting. I don't know who this guy Dane is, but I have some respect for him.
I am going to play this live at Riverwind 00 American wheel. If the zeros don't kill me, I might make a buck.
Sam
Sam ... for giggles, I played it last night live here and the first number I had to bet on was 24 and it never hit but the next 2 numbers that I bet on, did hit within 8 spins and I was able to close the game out with a small gain. That's just a note for what its worth and once I go to the betting stage, it was fun to play continuous for a change. *LOL* I will add this to the bag of methods and pull it out from time to time just to mix it up. Appreciate you sharing!!
Let's remember to thank this Dane fellow. But, you're quite welcome.
Flat betting these systems of his are the long-haul type of betting. But you can play a game anytime you want. He says he loses sometimes four in a row and then hits a bunch where he wins right off the bat.
Don't know that for a fact. Will play and test with real money.
Sam
Good videos Sam!
I like this idea. The bets can't get out of hand. I suppose the most you could end up betting is 6 numbers. Although I don't think that would happen often.
Hats off to Dane as well for coming up with such a simple clever idea.
Great videos Sam thanks. Ill give this a try. Ill let you know how I get on.
The only word of caution I would give having come up with similar strategies in the past is to have a stop loss for any game. I was thinking around 50 units for this particular one. That still gives you a hell of a lot of scope to catch a win. What you don't want is the occasional game where it just keeps throwing up repeat numbers. That can get expensive and ruins all the quick wins you will get for sure with an idea like this.
cheers.
Bally
I have a couple of systems that would make one rich if it were not for repeaters. I would love to find a repeater system to play in conjunction with one of them. Maybe "The Magnificent Seven"!
Sam