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Reality about to become a full time pro ...
What are the options ...

1) Well you can save one year of income and take one year off from work and give your new life a shot.
That way you keep your work and can return if things are not going your way ...
Then you have money for rent, food and bills.

2) Quit work and get 80% of salary from the state during one year (in my country)
You don't have a work you can return to, but you don't have to save for one year of income.
Will have money for rent, food and bills during one year.

3) Keep work and play when you have free time, but will then not deal with the same psychological pressure as if you would been depending on your gambling as your main income.
But would get good hints how you do overall to make up your mind.

Well this is the first three ideas that strike my mind.

Then comes other questions ...
as how much would you main bankroll be ?

Cheers

The 3d option is the correct one.
As for "how  much would you main bankroll be " it depends on the method and it s worst down during testing.
3X the worst down and you are ok(if the method is a real long run winner).

I will never be a professional player. I play nearly full time some periods, but not for the living. As retired I get my monthly pay, and I run a small business part time. If you mean you can make a living on roulette, I think your life will have some problems. I have meet some of those pro, and they use to be very short in the their career. 




I have meet two (both German and some decades ago) which have been living for long time on casino games, some 20 years, but they earned less than any do in the lowest paid work you can find.




If you stand amateur, you can still win decent. Amateur meant from beginning not any without ability, the amateur had the ability to do what he did due to the was already wealthy, and got time to improve all the time. The professional was those who  had to make a living of it. In modern time this changes so pro means you are better on something, and amateur means you are not. It is in the early meaning the opposite. Charles Darwin, Newton are two amateurs.


The "Rentner" you may find in Europe at casinos are happy with 30 Euros a day, they really work hard for theire money.


The bankroll size can make you stay longer, but may be not cheaper.




Some lucky can win very much (in a short burst), and think it can continue, my advice is if you hit it, play less rather than more.

I can talk about myself and some other todays and ex pro players.
As far as I'm concerned when going on the play trip anywhere,am not
going there without,at least 30 k.aiming winning 5-10% on nightly basis.
Sometimes I come/last week 2 nights in Znojmo/look,have a dinner,and
go to hotel without playing at all,comming back home with about 500 euros
minus for fuel and hotel.I met and seen many players around EU on regular
basis,especially Italians.The logical guestion here is;If these ppl.weren't winners
how come they are around for years.O yes they are losers....remember Niko Toša ???
The guy that took million and 3oo pounds in London few years back.Last I heard
from him was few years back from Australia,lost all and nobody ever heard from
him since.In other words VB play is a history with today wheels and balls.
Also remembered my trip to Macao few years back.....Almost 2 weeks there,such
long travel,without putting a chip on roulette table......this my friends are and should
be right signs of pro player.Close visual control of tables before you start playing/
I suggest you get the magnet detector/patience,self control and sufficient BR.and
ofcourse a method/s you know as well as yourself.

Professionals do not waste their time with long sessions.  They have a goal in mind and the take it. It's the greedy amateurs that use professional methods that give us professionals a bad rap.

TC

Quote from: The Crow on March 09, 2013, 08:35:35 PM
Professionals do not waste their time with long sessions.  They have a goal in mind and the take it. It's the greedy amateurs that use professional methods that give us professionals a bad rap.

Professionals pass up opportunities to have a great feast, only to grind
away with the grist of meat & potatoes. Out of fear that the game will
make a meal of them, they retreat trembling.  No way.

Being a Pro player means that the method that you are using can t lose on the long run,otherwise you aren t a Pro but a casual player.
So the fear of greed has nothing to do with Pro play.

I would also like to add that a Pro player (if there is anyone without AP ways i mean)is playing FLAT bets because it is supposed that he has found a way to have better accuracy on his bets than the normal one.
So he doesn t need a huge BR.
Progressions are for losers.(my opinion)

 
The question is how would you give it a shot, test your life as pro ...
When you as all have a rent, food and bills to pay ...

It is a realistic question and not about what a pro is !!!

Cheers

Quote from: The Crow on March 09, 2013, 08:35:35 PM
Professionals do not waste their time with long sessions.  They have a goal in mind and the take it.
TC

Exactly right. My sessions are very short, win 3 to 5 units
and get out. Its the size of the units that matter. You
don't want them to notice you, and if they do, by the time
they've called upstairs, you're already gone.

The old timers say "Get in, get it done, get out." Long sessions
are for amateurs and ploppies.

Quote from: Gizmotron on March 09, 2013, 09:16:41 PM
Professionals pass up opportunities to have a great feast, only to grind
away with the grist of meat & potatoes. Out of fear that the game will
make a meal of them, they retreat trembling.  No way.

There is so much wrong with this statement. Pro's
don't care about 'feasts', they see opportunity on
every table. Feasts are for the desperate. Pro's
don't 'grind', they get in and get out. Pro's have
no fear of the game, they own the game they play
when in the casino. The casino fears them, not
the other way around.

Your practice at home should be about playing the shortest
and simplest game you can, so you can leave as
soon as possible. Winning consistently is one thing,
making the casino let you win is quite another.

"Keep testing before you make up your mind."


Two key questions arise from that option:   

1  How do you know when to stop?

2  How much testing is 'enough'?



Isn't the option, as worded, too open-ended and vague???

Quote from: esoito on March 09, 2013, 10:56:43 PM
"Keep testing before you make up your mind."


Two key questions arise from that option:   

1  How do you know when to stop?

2  How much testing is 'enough'?



Isn't the option, as worded, too open-ended and vague???

Is not vague, i just did not know how to wrap up point three in five words, i see now the word testing was wrong, maybe it should been getting a feel for the game and keep work and later on decide if you would pick option 1 or 2 ...

Quote3) Keep work and play when you have free time, but will then not deal with the
same psychological pressure as if you would been depending on your gambling as
your main income.
But would get good hints how you do overall to make up your
mind.

No need to test system, you can just use educated guess work with good MM and become a pro ...
Testing end up with one result in the long run, we all know that.
A pro see what is current and present and act on does parameters ...
My opinion ....

When a professional sits at a table, they can distinguish the professionals from the amateurs. That holds true with any profession. If you can not do that, then you are not a professional, perhaps a semi-pro at best.

A professional does not have one method; he or she has an arsenal of strategies.
A professional does not have only one way of thinking; but has the ability to embrace different mind sets, without giving prejudice.

I know for certain that Victor is a professional. Why? The fact he is willing to put himself out there for all eyes to gaze upon him, naked with an open mind, a sword in one hand, and an olive branch in the other.

Who amongst you declare yourselves professionals? The fact that Spike understands the nature of take only what you need, tells me he is a professional. He too, may sometimes half to wield his sword of words to ward of personal attacks.

I know of many professionals. Who do you know?

TC

GLC is a professional. Ralph is a professional. Bally6354 is a professional.

I believe that professionalism does not has to do if they spend 24 hours in the casino every day of the week. But with the level of professionalism facing the game. Even knowing that you can lose.

It is a daunting task. Congratulations to each and everyone who has the courage to do it.

You've changed the wording of the Poll for option 3. 

7 votes were recorded were for the previous option 3 that was originally to do with testing.

If you change wording during voting (shouldn't be done) then the results are inaccurate at best and invalid at worst.

Becoming a pro player. It is really tough but there are many who are actually living like a pro. I can confirm two names among our forums: one is much known Mr.J(Ken) and another is Tomla01 (both are from USA). They play regularly and with nice bankroll and both are successful in fetching money out of gambling. There are many which I don't know personally but they play regularly online and some in real casinos.
              I can't say that I am a pro player although I almost play daily. I am basically a researcher. I do not have easy access to land based casinos (the nearest one is 1500 Km away) but I make casino trips about 4-5 times in a year. In my opinion, to become a pro, you need these things:
1. Nice bankroll that you are ready to lose. Those who has financial constraints should forget gambling as a pro.
2.Clear strategies regarding what to play, how to play, when to stop
3. Spare time and no job or family burdens  like small kids etc.
4. Cool attitude and calm nature. Those who get excited by losses or wins, normally lose bankroll.
5. An open mind to study, analyse and test new and old concepts and tricks.


          If you lack any of these traits, forget about becoming a pro gambler.

That seems like a pretty good summary.  :thumbsup:

Well my humble opinion is that all things you asked and debated here should be answered at the end of your homework notebook, after you have thoroughly and conscientiously learned "curriculum" and done your homework.

Cheers

Drazen

Just read the posts what Ralph,FLAT IN O, and Crow  have to say about the subject.


Nuff said.


N.D.

Marshall, the name says it all. You have a need to police posts, particularly mine.

Should I surrender any weapons as I enter city limits?, because this suppose to be a friendly place. It's kind of obvious that you hold a particular grudge against me and others who speak their minds. Now that's not friendly. I do not wish to ruffle anyone's feathers. I do though want roulette players to engage in healthy discussions about become a full time pro.

Albalaba contributed a great post.

TC

Quote from: The Crow on March 10, 2013, 01:43:27 PM
It's kind of obvious that you hold a particular grudge against me and others who speak their minds.TC

No, he's just good at spotting posers. He's been
around these boards for years, never assume you
know who you're talking to.

I would think there should be a valid "definition" of what a "Professional" player is before attempting to determine who is and who isn't one!

If you define a Pro as one who make their living, literally, from the game, that's one thing.

If you define a Pro as one who plays "correctly" and with reason and logic, producing a decent rate of return for the game being played, on a consistent basis, then that's another thing.

We may have several of the latter here on this board, but I'm thinking we have NONE of the former.

I think I would be safe in stating that less than 1/2 of 1% of this board makes a living playing roulette.  The rest of us are merely recreational players who use the game to supplement our normal incomes.  We may be serious recreational players and very professional in our approach, but in the end, we are still hobbyists at these games as our normal daily expenses are generally paid by another income source.

I'm not saying that there aren't people here who bring in a lot of money from the casinos, but using the true definition of the word, they are not professional roulette players but merely roulette players who use a professional approach to the game.

AD

Posers - what do you mean?

TC

Quote from: The Crow on March 10, 2013, 05:20:26 PM
Posers - what do you mean?

TC

I believe that Mr. Bell has demonstrated clearly the duplicates nature of one curious individual. So what is it. What do we have, a wise guy come slithering as some neophite crawler. Or perhaps we have a writer, with a quest for his fifteen minutes. Perhaps he is a psychiatrist, here at the request of a brother or sister.

That moniker, The Crow, that's about as obvious as a head banger clad in spandex.

poser - a person who pretends to be someone or something he is not

By that definition, I am not a poser.

I am a professional gambler. I am a professional roulette player. Yes, I am an advantage player, not the best, but hard to beat.

TC

Quote from: The Crow on March 10, 2013, 08:23:49 PM
I am a professional gambler. I am a professional roulette player. Yes, I am an advantage player, not the best, but hard to beat.

TC

Doing this? Its what you said you played om Feb 27th:

"I don't believe in past numbers. So I take a picture of a wheel, cross out 12 numbers randomly, divide the rest of the numbers into two groups of twelve with the zero in one which makes is 13. When a numbers comes in one of the groups, I bet the other group, one unit per number. I use a progression of 1, 2, 5, 7, 9 - stop loss. Crazy, but it works for me."

I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt this does not
work long term, certainly it wouldn't work for a pro roulette
player. There's no bet selection here, its just random against
random with a progression.

Quote from: spike on March 10, 2013, 08:43:57 PM
Doing this? Its what you said you played om Feb 27th:

"There's no bet selection here,its just random against[size=78%] [/size]
random with a progression.

And its one of the most successful way of playing
LvF 9 splits that 2CAT Sam is presently exploring
and playing,is proving it.

Quote from: FLAT_IN_O on March 10, 2013, 09:22:55 PM

And its one of the most successful way of playing
LvF 9 splits that 2CAT Sam is presently exploring
and playing,is proving it.

what's an LvF 9 split?

Quote from: spike on March 10, 2013, 09:32:32 PM
what's an LvF 9 split?

Well if 2sCat is doing it, then it must be good.

Last 9 splits versus further 9 splits.......staying on lasts until change
then continue on furtest.....very simple,chops versus rides,and mostly
rides prevail on flat bet basis.Tested in hundreds of Wiesbaden sessions,
played for real in Wien and Wiesbaden recently with large stakes and been
successful.that's LvF 9.

[mod] That's enough comments aimed at whoever The Crow is or isn't. He/she has done nothing wrong, or ignored forum rules. He/she now knows to tread carefully and that there are some very astute members of the forum. Sufficient unto the day --- move on. [/mod]

That Flat In O chap is such a darling ...isn't he!
Its so good to be back..................
:nod:

 
Where can you read about ´LvF 9

Quote from: FLAT_IN_O on March 10, 2013, 10:34:58 PM
Last 9 splits versus further 9 splits.......staying on lasts until change
then continue on furtest.....very simple,chops versus rides

what's a further 9 split. What are 'rides'.

Random can only be beaten with random selection with a sophisticated money management plan.

LvF 9 is a great example of this approach. Go TCS.

TC. All I'm missing is the S. What a coincidence?

TC

Stone The Crows.................its getting interesting! S.T.C.

S. T. C.

Stop That Chrisbis

Coming from, what a disappointment.

TC

[mod] "Stone the crows" is simply an English expression along the lines of "Goodness me....gor blimey...crikey..." and so on. There was nothing to stop. Chrisbis was NOT being offensive or insulting. It was a neat pun -- a play on words. Good one, CB. [/mod]

Apologies to the member "The Crow".....I was just playing with words.
No offence intended.
:-[

Past numbers and trigger based. My bad. It won't work then.

Sorry TCS. Thanks for pointing that out Marshall.

TC

Quote from: Marshall Bing Bell on March 11, 2013, 12:50:05 AM
The system is a good attempt to lower variance, and perhaps break even for a while with some up and down fluctuation, but in the end it will lose at the house edge or above, sorry.

It didn't as yet live playing.We play this throughout night session of about 350 spins,
swapping the tables after any plus,therefore its pure RvR approach,as when we hit the
new table, the bet is followed with the last 9 splits from the previous playing table.
Have you ever though of such approach,mr.Marshall?? Try it you may find it very interesting.

Marshall

If you read me you will find that I NEVER make definitive statements about roulette.  No Johnlegend statements here.  You will see I use the word "seems" a lot.  I tell folks I have not been up the mountain.  Don't look to me for that which is etched in stone as you won't find it.

How I play the L v F is to put 200 Euro at risk in the bot and set it for 100 E profit.  Am I struggling?  Well, you could say that.  Am I losing?  No.  Not at this writing.  Today I went down to less than 50 Euro and then it turned on me and went up to profit.  Will it always do that?  I wish I knew.  I "think" it will win 100 more than twice the number of times it loses 200.  Time will tell and I will truthfully report on my test thread.

I can tell you this with a certain measure of certainty:  It plays very evenly.  I've been working with this idea/system for months now.  If it had been as bad as some say, I'd have been gone a long time ago.  I have about six new ideas to try with it--ideas of my own that no one told me.  They may work and they may not.

I am confident of one thing:  If I reported that this system won, posted screen shots of the thousands it made and gave exact instructions on how to do it----very few would even listen let alone try it.  So if it's the "Holy Grail", the casinos are still safe.

If it's not, I had a lot of fun.  Hear me now and believe me later--I'm in it for the fun.  If I wanted money I'd go back into business.

TwoCat

Quote from: Marshall Bing Bell on March 11, 2013, 08:41:43 AM
It didn't as yet live playing.We play this throughout night session of about 350 spins,
swapping the tables after any plus,therefore its pure RvR approach,as when we hit the
new table, the bet is followed with the last 9 splits from the previous playing table.
Have you ever though of such approach,mr.Marshall?? Try it you may find it very interesting.


Yes I have mr. flatman and I take my hat off to you for trying this. Not many would have the guts to carry over the current state of their game to a new table. I have been playing systems that jump tables mid game for a while now. I don't know for sure if it improves thing, but it sure won't hurt over the long run, in my opinion.

Playing lvf9 like this will give you a kind of RvR game as long as you keep winning and table jumping, but there will be times when the game catches up and the RvR will be gone.--True,but the final/monthly,
yearly/score counts.There isn't ever winning method.

Is TCS playing like this online?--I suggest it....he tweaked it some....72/81 I think.I never play on line
as don't believe em.

What about when you go home after a day at the casino, do you come back tomorrow, or next week and start the new session with yesterday's or last week's last 9 splits?... always start new night session,and playing last 9 from previous table,even with smoke and coffee breaks,so it comes
to pure RvR......O yes there is to expect losing sessions.....we shall soon see it with Malta trip.

I am confident of one thing:  If I reported that this system won, posted screen shots of the thousands it made and gave exact instructions on how to do it----very few would even listen let alone try it.  So if it's the "Holy Grail", the casinos are still safe.



TwoCat



Right on the nail,Sam.