Quote from: Sputnik on June 02, 2013, 12:45:41 PM
I know that, but still don't see the point not using random org, the slight difference between P and B is so tiny so your system or any existing strategy will not notice, if you don't just play B ... just silly, my opinion.

Well, from my point of view it makes sense to use the zumma 1000 because those were the shoes which Izak used and claimed to have made the profits, so if the system is going to be coded (by me or anyone else) then one of the first things which should be done is to check this. If it turns out that the zumma shoes DO make the stated number of units, but the system fails on other shoes, then there's a good chance that it was reverse engineered. On the other hand, if the zumma shoes result in a big loss, then we know that the whole thing is a scam and that Izak is lying.

Is it just me..........

When you buy something that is copyrighted, is it OK to tell another person the system?  Even a coder is another person.  For this reason, I think if someone had something that was truly fantastic, they would never share it.  It could go world wide before they could finish their coffee.

Not saying you would do that Bayes, just raising a question.

Sam

Sam,
Izak has something that is truly fantastic, and IS willing to share it. ...for the knock-down price of $95.

Why do I get the feeling that nobody cares about this one way or the other? Chris hasn't reported any of his testing results, maybe he's moved on to the next HG. 

If necessary, I'll contact Izak himself and ask him for a copy of the system so that I can verify that it does in fact make the profits he's claimed.

He didn't buy it but was given it.
And you answer your own Q TCS, if it was THAT great Chris wouldn't have it.

Izak should have given it to a coder in the first place.

Maybe Juiced is right; if it were any good he wouldn't be selling it anyway.  And surely not giving a copy away. 

Just my 2 cents, i coded that "I HG" (or 99.9%. like it) about 2 years ago and guess what?
My customer came back and asked for little changes in it! Wonder why?   

Have a nice day every one! 

[edit] I remember it was 2 day after 911 birthday: 11-11-11

Theoretically a person with a winning system could sell their method even for a small price.


Even if you were to post a winning method showing stats, results etc all it would take is one "person" saying that it doesn't work.



I don't think that revealing a winning system would mean that the game is over.


There are millions of casino visitors, only a few of them on a forum.


Unless you read that specific thread or by chance know somebody that has read it you will never know about it let alone believe it.

Izak....(Why do I want to call him "Itzak"?)

Izak did not say it would win every shoe.  And he did say the simulation was included, so why would Chris need to simulate that which is already simulated?

He could do random checks and see if his results matched Izak's.  The very first time he found a discrepancy would be a red flag to me.

AMK

Yes, I agree.  Few would even see it if it were the holy thingy.  Few would play it or take the time to learn it.  My point is just that if Izak really has a system that will make money, everyone who makes money using it should pay him.

It's like the all-you-can-eat buffet where one buys and three eat.  If you eat, you should pay.

I'm still thinking seriously about buying.  After all, there is nothing to lose.  My CC will just credit me for the amount and his guarantee will prevent him from protesting.

Things like this intrigue me!! 

Sam

At GG there was a competition about different systems.
A coder code 10 different systems, one of them was made by Izak and it came second place.

Just mention it as i remember it now.

We could look at this way.

Izak has created a lot of methods with "sound" logic, perhaps more then any of us.

He must know a lot about the game.

Can all of his methods be as great as he advertises, not possible.

Could just one of them, his best one, be on point?


Possibly, but which one.

All of his methods are playable in general but none has an edge which anybody can look for. A method may be good for one data sample and can be the worst on another. He has been making false claims about all of his systems and he is a master of reverse engineering.

[mod] That last sentence, Al -- unless you can substantiate it with cold, hard evidence then you should remove what can only be construed as libel. You claim to have legal training which makes your unsubstantiated claim all the more concerning. [/mod]

But I think the valid question here is if someone is ready to give money back guarantee and has earlier kept their promises what is the harm in getting it and ditching it in the future even if it's a scam.  Dismissing free things just because of a person's past is like following a table for a number for some spins and then not playing that number on a bonus round and realize that the the number has appeared finally. 

Quote from: TwoCatSam on June 02, 2013, 10:07:47 PM

I'm still thinking seriously about buying.

Sam, I really wouldn't bother. A member sent me a copy of it today and it seems to be almost the same as his later "Infallible Baccarat Systems"; version 10 was coded by ImSpirit a couple of years ago.
Izak must be running out of ideas.

Quote from: Bayes on June 03, 2013, 06:02:09 PM
Sam, I really wouldn't bother. A member sent me a copy of it today and it seems to be almost the same as his later "Infallible Baccarat Systems"; version 10 was coded by ImSpirit a couple of years ago.
Izak must be running out of ideas.

         I already stated this.

QuoteModerator Comment
  That last sentence, Al -- unless you can substantiate it with cold, hard evidence then you should remove what can only be construed as libel. You claim to have legal training which makes your unsubstantiated claim all the more concerning

TRUTH is the biggest defense against any allegation of defamation. A few systems of his specially IBS 9 has been tested by imspirit.wordpress.com, which is one of the best blogs upon gambling systems realities. He just did not put reverse engineering once but if you go through his CYL 2 system, it is solely based on that. In this system, author has beaten 1000 shoes of zumma1000, with a net profit .