Quote from: TwoCatSam on December 03, 2012, 03:34:55 PM
Gentlemen


We all "know" that the math, science and logic says "PATTERN BREAKER" will not work.  But what if it works anyway?  Wouldn't that make the Fat Lady sing?

Let us not forget Parrondo's Paradox.  That can't possibly work,  Mathematicians  say it does.

Sam

Exactly !!  Well put.


Human engineers with big brains said it was  impossible for bumblebees to fly.

But nobody told the bees that. They actually fly very well, thank you.

Bumblebees with small brains didn't know about their limitations so they continue to fly in blissful ignorance.


So, too, some methods are likely to work even though they are not "supposed" to according to the "experts".

And that's why testing is so important.

I find discussions like this very interesting. Because
until somebody takes real money to a real casino
and starts really playing one of these systems on
a regular basis, that's all it will be, just a discussion.

The math never ever EVER lies. It can't lie, it won't
lie, it never lies. When you build an airplane or a ship
or a skyscraper, you can ingore the math and do it
'your' way. It'll look realy nice when you're done, probably.
Just don't expect it to fly, sail, or not fall down.

What makes anybody think gambling systems are any
different.

Quote from: spike on December 03, 2012, 11:18:14 PM
I find discussions like this very interesting. Because
until somebody takes real money to a real casino
and starts really playing one of these systems on
a regular basis, that's all it will be, just a discussion.

The math never ever EVER lies. It can't lie, it won't
lie, it never lies. When you build an airplane or a ship
or a skyscraper, you can ingore the math and do it
'your' way. It'll look realy nice when you're done, probably.
Just don't expect it to fly, sail, or not fall down.

What makes anybody think gambling systems are any
different.

What do you think Subby is doing at Paddypower? Amazing how you avoid that. Like I just told Steve on the other forum BANKROLLS don't grow by themselves.

6 months from now you will be forced to admit like Steve YOU didn't KNOW IT ALL. Math has its place in the world. But when it comes to roulette NO, it falls short.

Quote from: JohnLegend on December 04, 2012, 12:02:16 AM
Math has its place in the world. But when it comes to roulette NO, it falls short.

OK, I'm all ears. How and where does it fall
short. Where is it wrong and why. You surely
must know or you wouldn't make such a statement.

Superman says you're Fender1000 from the old
VLS forum. You had a system called The ZONE
that you made exactly the same claims about
2 years ago and it failed miserably. How is this
new thing any different.

Quote from: spike on December 04, 2012, 12:54:15 AM

Superman says you're Fender1000 from the old
VLS forum. You had a system called The ZONE
that you made exactly the same claims about
2 years ago and it failed miserably. How is this
new thing any different.

A big assumption there that Superman is correct.

NOBODY knows for sure who's who.

Everyone on a forum (wisely) travels under false colours.

Go read some of Fender's posts on VLS. He writes
the same and sounds identical. Wild claims, hates
math, wait and see you'll be sorry, testing doesn't
work, on and on. Its Fender all right. He's a gamblng
forum troll, these guys get a kick out of getting everybody
all excited with their wild unsubstantiated claims.

Random outcomes obey no rules, none, nada. You
can't put them on a leash and make them do your
bidding.

OK then. It's Todd and then ReTodd.

Quote from: spike on December 04, 2012, 12:54:15 AM
OK, I'm all ears. How and where does it fall
short. Where is it wrong and why. You surely
must know or you wouldn't make such a statement.

Superman says you're Fender1000 from the old
VLS forum. You had a system called The ZONE
that you made exactly the same claims about
2 years ago and it failed miserably. How is this
new thing any different.

I was Fender1000, and the Zone was a good method that I started off with 8 years ago.

But PATTERN BREAKER is on another level. It flows with random it doesn't fight it. RANDOM CHOOSES YOUR BET SELECTION FOR YOU. It doesn't get better than that.

You like others think math can measure and tame random. WRONG. When you apply math to roulette, you do so against the fixed man-made odds of the layout.

RANDOM knows nothing of odds. It does as  it pleases as you well know. The two most successful methods I've worked with. PATTERN BREAKER and FIVE.

Wait on random for their BET SELECTION. And they are both winners.

Now you keep waffling on, oh if someone would just throw money at this method. You will see you were right and its doomed to fail.

Subby is doing just that. I'm doing it. By summer next year no one of reasonable mind, will consider this method a loser. I assure you of that.

I make claims YES. But now I'm backing them up.

The question is, will you be man enough to admit you didn't know it all, when it becomes clear to you and other detractors that this method is a long-term winner?

That's all I want to know.

 Nice going Spike. That was a great catch.

QuoteI was Fender1000, and the Zone was a good method that I started off with 8 years ago.

But PATTERN BREAKER is on another level. It flows with random it doesn't fight it. RANDOM CHOOSES YOUR BET SELECTION FOR YOU. It doesn't get better than that.

Quote from: Gizmotron on December 04, 2012, 06:29:46 AM
Nice going Spike. That was a great catch.

Giz don't be concerned about the past, be concerned about what you and Spike and all the othet detractors are going to see over the next 6--12 months.

Quote from: JohnLegend on December 04, 2012, 06:42:00 AM
Giz don't be concerned about the past, be concerned about what you and Spike and all the othet detractors are going to see over the next 6--12 months.

and this -" I make claims YES. But now I'm backing them up.

The question is, will you be man enough to admit you didn't know it all, when it becomes clear to you and other detractors that this method is a long-term winner?"

A person does not need to know everything to past you. You have nothing but a three step Martingale with a magic trick for knowing when to use it. Now anyone can see that that along contradicts your own pontifications regarding randomness. So now you are going to teach randomness.  If I wanted or needed a red herring I'd just introduce you. I suppose that a great rift between a real craft and just so much baloney is now going to degrade this forum into another endless and pointless waste of time. Just try it.

Quote from: Gizmotron on December 04, 2012, 06:58:07 AM
and this -" I make claims YES. But now I'm backing them up.

The question is, will you be man enough to admit you didn't know it all, when it becomes clear to you and other detractors that this method is a long-term winner?"

A person does not need to know everything to past you. You have nothing but a three step Martingale with a magic trick for knowing when to use it. Now anyone can see that that along contradicts your own pontifications regarding randomness. So now you are going to teach randomness.  If I wanted or needed a red herring I'd just introduce you. I suppose that a great rift between a real craft and just so much baloney is now going to degrade this forum into another endless and pointless waste of time. Just try it.

Giz my money is where my thoughts are, the only thing you need to do is check in on Subbys Speramus quest and my BV challenge once in a while.

And it will become clear that PATTERN BREAKER works as the months roll by. I don't need to argue with any of you. No one can argue with success.

And Matt R/H I See you, why so shy now to respomd to your FIVE DATA thread.??

Quote from: Gizmotron on December 04, 2012, 06:58:07 AM
and this -" I make claims YES. But now I'm backing them up.

The question is, will you be man enough to admit you didn't know it all, when it becomes clear to you and other detractors that this method is a long-term winner?"

A person does not need to know everything to past you. You have nothing but a three step Martingale with a magic trick for knowing when to use it. Now anyone can see that that along contradicts your own pontifications regarding randomness. So now you are going to teach randomness.  If I wanted or needed a red herring I'd just introduce you. I suppose that a great rift between a real craft and just so much baloney is now going to degrade this forum into another endless and pointless waste of time. Just try it.

Gizmo

Its just a pointless debate. If this challenge ends in a positive territory it will only prove that PB can win in a few thousand sessions. You already posted few sessions played HAR where in about 500 games there was a strike rate of 9.5 and 4.4. I think that PB is coded in Ophis tracker and some can run 5-10 games sessions using actuals. 

Quote from: Robeenhuut on December 04, 2012, 07:20:44 AM
Gizmo

Its just a pointless debate. If this challenge ends in a positive territory it will only prove that PB can win in a few thousand sessions. You already posted few sessions played HAR where in about 500 games there was a strike rate of 9.5 and 4.4. I think that PB is coded in Ophis tracker and some can run 5-10 games sessions using actuals. 

It is a pointless topic. I understand that he uses shills also. There should be a general warning to all new people that magical claimers lurk the halls with their marry men of shill.