Let's say after 7 years of full roulette research I have found the H/G of the Ecs FLAT BETTING.(It can be adapted on the 2:1 bets too and add those bets but I haven t tested it there...BUT same winning principles so same thing)
Let's say it is based 100% on probability...(something like Marigny only a hell lot faster and better)
Let's say it can not be played with pen and paper(lot s of calculations) and it needs a program/bot.
Now what?
How can I trust a programer not to expose or sell the method?
How can I take the bot in the real Casino?

Please only serious replies cause I an not kidding.

Quote from: Razor on March 12, 2013, 11:32:51 PM
How can I trust a programer not to expose or sell the method?

You don't. A shared secret is not a secret anymore.

Your best bet is to learn how to code it yourself using the easiest programming language you can find.

If you still want to have it coded by 3rd parties, you could split the work amongst several coders across several freelance pages. You must instruct them to do it in such a way they resulting parts interact to assemble a whole (your holy grail). As long as all the parts are separate/incomplete on their own, you didn't disclose your grail to any of the programmers. The more disconnected parts the merrier.

You can also maximize your chances for anonymity and decoupling of your coders by contracting from different continents (not kidding, that's the beauty of our current online-enabled world).

Quote from: Razor on March 12, 2013, 11:32:51 PMHow can I take the bot in the real Casino?

You can demand it to be programmed in a portable language such as java, then use a java-enabled cell phone (dime a dozen these days).

Regards.

Yes the mobile phone is the only solution I have also thought of.
Thanks Vic.

You can even have it in a Java-enabled wrist-watch cell:

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http://www.amazon.com/Inch-Watch-Phone-Bluetooth-Black/dp/B009UQ5CA8

Gimme, Gimme, Gimme !!!!!!

This is serious.............

Have Stef and Nick program it into their ExcelBot.

Would they use it to make money for themselves?  Probably.  I know I would.

I trust them.

I told them of the "TwoCat Shuffle".  It's being programmed.

TwoCat

Razor,
         If it is too tough to be calculated manually, how do u know whether it is a grail, without testing extensively? If it looks like a grail to you, take help of a programmer to get it coded in a tracker/bot. Get it tested upon a variety of data. If it goes in positive, you can think of using it in a real casino.
            I can recommend you two programmers who can do it anonymously. PM me, if u r serious.

EC-s are my favorite too

Anyway, I wonder how something what is based just on probability can win flat bet? Similar to Marigny, huh?

Everything in roulette must balance out longterm, so no matter what probability you challenge you will still face 50:50 minus 2.7 after that on the long run... (it doesn't means you can't make some money longterm becasue of that, there is other side of this coin too )

You can face like 5.0 STD on EC-s and as you maybe know max is around 5.2, but to that point you will still have 50:50 and lose becasue of zero.

Are you sure you tested it enough, not to get dissapointed in the end? 

If you are so scared of someone getting your HG you can learn to code by yourself or to ask coder to create software with changanble settings (if you can set that for your strategy?) for things you need. So in that case only you will know winning combo

Cheers

Drazen

 
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Any one can flat betting, so i don't think you have the HG ...
And you don't make so much money flat betting, better to use regression + Up and Pull ...

Cheers

Quote from: Marshall Bing Bell on March 13, 2013, 04:03:46 AM
If your system is too conflabulated (new word by me  ) to play in a B&M casino without technological assistance then it ain't no holy grail.

Just curious why you say that? why does a HG have to be simple enough to play without software in order to be a HG?

Quote from: Bayes on March 13, 2013, 10:26:37 AM
Just curious why you say that? why does a HG have to be simple enough to play without software in order to be a HG?

It does not need to be complicated, as long it hits  more than miss. It may be complicated to do!


On a wheel with zero it is math impossible, but we can of course ignore such a trifle.

Someone asked about the testing that I have done with my method.
  This method is based on a concept ...I have tested this concept  for about one year now in the real casino with real money because the Bank Roll is so small that I never cared to lose it some times ,so I started testing it in real environment just to have some fun and see the results..
The bank roll that I am using is 15 chips (of 10 euros each) and I have lost the bank roll 2 times(visits) of the 88(86W and 2L). I am playing 2 times / week. 
I do not bet on every spin but only when I see the right moment based on the probability concept  that I have made.
I am leaving the Casino with +5 chips the less and +10 the most.
I am not leaving because of the nonesence "hit and run" approach that it does not work and does not make any difference than playing continuously, but I am leaving because it s a slow method(not betting in every spin and a lot of work to see if and when I have to bet) and I am just trying to make some chips and almost always leave +.
Those 2 days that I had the BR loss I left because I was tired.

I have updated the concept  in order to have EXACT triggers and not triggers that are based on just an ABOUT estimation.( I don t have any complains with the older version but I needed to be as good as it can be and also be coded because It s very hard to play it with pen and papper.
The old version was able to be played with pen and papper(very hard for sure) but the final version is impossible to be played like that.
This is why I need a program and I need to play all 3 Ecs and not just 1 because I need more triggers in order to have faster gains.

edit.
It s hard...
Some times I am leaving the casino in about 1 hour and some times(very few) I have stayed there 11 hours!
The average time is about 2-3 hours.
By having a program coded in a mobile phone I will be able to track more than 1 wheel and more than 1 Ec.
This is what I need.

Bally posted :
""it's possible to use the framework of the permanence and manoevere yourself into positions where you can consistently take advantage and come out ahead flat betting.

All this is possible well at the same time each number is coming out as probability suggests over a long period of time.

Roulette is a unique game in a sense compared to other gambling games because of how you can interpret what is happening. My edge is how I use the information at my disposal.""

And this is the key.

Roulette computers have nothing to do with my method.
Roulette computers and AP is over.
My method doesn t care about the imperfections of the wheels and take data of a huge amount of spins in order to see IF there is a real advantage or not.
Please don t confuse the ways of play.

I have spoke with a friend.
He is willing to make the program.
If so, I ll post the results of the testing ... if you care.

 
I hope you do well ... cheers

Quote from: Marshall Bing Bell on March 13, 2013, 09:56:52 PM

No confusion here.

Good luck with this, Viper.

MBB,
You aren't joking...really.