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[Kav]

Hello guys,

CaviarKid thank you very much for your kind words.

Vic, I will watch with great interest the new experiment and wish you success in your software endeavors.

[Rashid]

who the f&*k in their right frame of mind would recommend that nutter?? wtf, the mind boggles

LOL, before eositos departure, you would get severely reprimanded insinuating such a term.

[greenguy]

LOL, before eositos departure, you would get severely reprimanded insinuating such a term.

Hmmm,

I once received a reprimand/post delete/put in moderation, for telling someone that their system was like, and I quote, "piddling in the wind".


I do believe I held a special place in esoito's heart.


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[Rashid]

I do believe I held a special place in esoito's heart.
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Many shared that sentiment.  I guess some have to get that little piece of feeling important from somewhere. 

What irks me, is that this is not a gardening site, it is a gambling site.  Gambling involves both winning and losing MONEY.  With the later, who knows your situation, you might have to go hungry for a while, unable to pay a bill, resort to stealing.  Yet one must not use the word bu11sh1t on thy web-site, get real FFS.

[greenguy]

So if I was on a gardening forum explaining how I decided to cut down the big old palm tree at the front of the house, and in doing so the tree fell the wrong way and was about to crash through the roof so I jumped between the tree and the house and basically redirected its fall with all my might and received lacerations to my head and face in the process, then went on to post the expletives I yelled at that time, I should be moderated? But if I was on a gambling forum explaining the loss of a handful of chips at the local B&M I should be permitted to cut loose with a cuss fest?

I think esoito's heart was in the right place, and his intentions were noble and good, but he just took it to a level beyond the general level of enlightenment existing within the forum community. Kind of like a guitar teacher who wraps the knuckles of his grade 2 students because they can't grasp the beauty or display the skill to execute a grade 6 piece of music. 

[Bayes]

Don't make him angry, you wouldn't like him when he's angry...

[Rashid]

How common is the term bull sh1t?  And you get reprimanded for it's use on a gambling web-site?? 

I believe there are four moderators on this board, yet one name was out there constantly, obviously taking their position far too seriously and long since  removed from gaming tables and the perils and joys of which. 


What's up Tangram, with your comment??

[VLS]

I think esoito's heart was in the right place

I second this ... 

[XXVV]

I may be one of the few to say it here, but I have  been writing on roulette forums for no more than four years, and as I have stated before,  I started by default really, and in reaction to being conned by that Swiss Scam. I have no one to blame other than myself because the art of a con artist is always to ( pretend) to give the target what is really desired and to elaborate on the theme so as to extract the maximum.

Through the practice of writing and the passionate desire to try to find genuine ways to know and to beat roulette, I soon came upon Esoito as a Moderator among the Forums.

Through many hundreds of posts, where he was on call, I have always found him impeccably fair, honest and reliable.

Over recent years I have come to know him as a personal friend and through his experience as a retired professional journalist, I have relied upon him as a totally professional editor and colleague who is in search of genuine success in the casino or in any investment field, just like many of us.

I am particularly grateful that he maintained a consistent and impartial quality control in terms of guiding this forum through many tests and trials, and enabled a golden phase of unspoiled calm and good will within this Forum.

He weeded out the troublemakers whose mission in life was to pollute, upset, annoy, insult, slander and cause trouble. You know who they are.

One of the first warning signs of childish emotional upset and imbalance is the use of bad and inappropriate language. The case of Rolex Watch comes to mind. At one phase his posts were so full of anger, spleen and frustration it was clear he was in trouble, and following that he sent abusive PM's to several and one including myself. I explained to him why communication in that vein was unacceptable, and that it actually undermined any worth of what he was trying to say, but he never replied.

There are several entities like that, and some far worse who are internet trolls. That behaviour does border on criminal at times and really has no place amongst adults. It is childish. Some seem to giggle at seeing off colour remarks in print - it is at that level - to see how far you can push the limits - just as a child does with a parent or guardian.

This is a roulette forum and is termed a gambling forum researching bet selection. it is one of the best because it has been really well managed this year. The Moderators and Administration are to be congratulated. Gambling can become Investment.

Esoito, as one of the team, set the bar at the chosen level and I really respect that someone could take a position like that. It might not always be as I would have acted, but nevertheless was necessary. The results speak for themselves with a calm and polite environment, or at least it was until recently.

A forum will not work when self governed and where there is no quality control. Also quality control needs fast action, not decision by committee. Life experience teaches that.

The recent behaviour by one member who has been an irritant to this Forum and many other Forums for years is a case in point where the unceasing need to be in the spotlight and causing dissension and ill will and a series of posts where he was screaming for attention, reached shocking levels.

Now this fellow has appeared at the new Forum and immediately has caused negative reaction before it even opened its doors.

The format of open Forums needs to be rigorously reviewed or there will be continuing losses as serious writers will avoid stormy waters. There is a role for healthy debate and mature, robust criticism and review nevertheless.  It might be better to take a deep breath and simply carefully read what has been offered. No need for glib, smart and cynical reactionary posts. It takes a lot of time and effort to write a published piece. Respect that.

This note is to thank Esoito for his work and my most sincere thanks and goodwill for his future efforts.

[greenguy]

I may be one of the few to say it here, but I have  been writing on roulette forums for no more than four years, and as I have stated before,  I started by default really, and in reaction to being conned by that Swiss Scam. I have no one to blame other than myself because the art of a con artist is always to ( pretend) to give the target what is really desired and to elaborate on the theme so as to extract the maximum.

You sure you not him? I still suspect you might be CEH...

Through the practice of writing and the passionate desire to try to find genuine ways to know and to beat roulette, I soon came upon Esoito as a Moderator among the Forums.

Through many hundreds of posts, where he was on call, I have always found him impeccably fair, honest and reliable.

Honest and reliable, yes. Impeccably fair, I disagree.


Over recent years I have come to know him as a personal friend and through his experience as a retired professional journalist, I have relied upon him as a totally professional editor and colleague who is in search of genuine success in the casino or in any investment field, just like many of us.

I am particularly grateful that he maintained a consistent and impartial quality control in terms of guiding this forum through many tests and trials, and enabled a golden phase of unspoiled calm and good will within this Forum.

Consistent, yes. Impartial, I disagree.


He weeded out the troublemakers whose mission in life was to pollute, upset, annoy, insult, slander and cause trouble. You know who they are.


One of the first warning signs of childish emotional upset and imbalance is the use of bad and inappropriate language. The case of Rolex Watch comes to mind. At one phase his posts were so full of anger, spleen and frustration it was clear he was in trouble, and following that he sent abusive PM's to several and one including myself. I explained to him why communication in that vein was unacceptable, and that it actually undermined any worth of what he was trying to say, but he never replied.

There are several entities like that, and some far worse who are internet trolls. That behaviour does border on criminal at times and really has no place amongst adults. It is childish. Some seem to giggle at seeing off colour remarks in print - it is at that level - to see how far you can push the limits - just as a child does with a parent or guardian.

This is a roulette forum and is termed a gambling forum researching bet selection. it is one of the best because it has been really well managed this year. The Moderators and Administration are to be congratulated. Gambling can become Investment.

Esoito, as one of the team, set the bar at the chosen level and I really respect that someone could take a position like that. It might not always be as I would have acted, but nevertheless was necessary. The results speak for themselves with a calm and polite environment, or at least it was until recently.

Nothing at all has changed since esoito quit, except a few mild and disguised cuss words have been published.

A forum will not work when self governed and where there is no quality control. Also quality control needs fast action, not decision by committee. Life experience teaches that.

The recent behaviour by one member who has been an irritant to this Forum and many other Forums for years is a case in point where the unceasing need to be in the spotlight and causing dissension and ill will and a series of posts where he was screaming for attention, reached shocking levels.

Esoito often came to the defence of the member you speak about at the expense of others


Now this fellow has appeared at the new Forum and immediately has caused negative reaction before it even opened its doors.

The format of open Forums needs to be rigorously reviewed or there will be continuing losses as serious writers will avoid stormy waters. There is a role for healthy debate and mature, robust criticism and review nevertheless.  It might be better to take a deep breath and simply carefully read what has been offered. No need for glib, smart and cynical reactionary posts. It takes a lot of time and effort to write a published piece. Respect that.

Yes, I wrote a few lengthy published rule abiding pieces that took a lot of time and effort to write only to be deleted by esoito because he didn't like the tone or content.


This note is to thank Esoito for his work and my most sincere thanks and goodwill for his future efforts.

[alrelax]

Well said XXVV, 110%. I have questioned my own existence here as it seems to have caused a few (how many more is what I am after) to get snippy and crude, most certainly they would like to see me gone.  If it's the common goal amongst users/members, I will only be too happy to comply.  Hence my poll, short and to the point. 

[Mike]

esoito was neither fair nor impartial. I was muted for no good reason several times, apparently only for being "negative". It makes you wonder what's going on here when members are censored for posting the truth about systems.

[Albalaha]

esoito was neither fair nor impartial. I was muted for no good reason several times, apparently only for being "negative". It makes you wonder what's going on here when members are censored for posting the truth about systems.

GMs have sadly violated forum rules themselves and acted with prejudice towards some members. They can "mute" even if there is no rule asking for that and let anyone go even if there is a gross violation.

[Rashid]

esoito was neither fair nor impartial. I was muted for no good reason several times, apparently only for being "negative". It makes you wonder what's going on here when members are censored for posting the truth about systems.

I concur, he was bias, the fact he didn't stick around for a more democratic forum, kind of hints he was on a authoritarian power trip, couldn't tolerate being undermined so baled   

[Bayes]

I think esoito's heart was in the right place, and his intentions were noble and good, but he just took it to a level beyond the general level of enlightenment existing within the forum community. Kind of like a guitar teacher who wraps the knuckles of his grade 2 students because they can't grasp the beauty or display the skill to execute a grade 6 piece of music.

Nicely put. esoito is "old school" (at least grammar, maybe public).

What's up Tangram, with your comment??

A feeble attempt at humour, with a reference to greenguy's avatar (you might not remember Bill Bixby's hulk on TV).