Last week I got a secret invitation to anew forum, some others here did too.
I asked the new admin how he selected the distinguished members to join, didn't really get a good reply but was told only people at the top of their game would be there, well, als just arrived so I have asked for my account to be closed, they seem to let ANYONE join.
Neil
I was invited too...but if Albalaha is there, I won't join. If the forum is run by someone weak who can't handle conflict, It won't be long until the forum is modified under his terms as this place now is.
Thanks for the heads up.
Saved me the disappointing reveal
Turner
Quote from: Turner on December 29, 2014, 09:47:59 AM
It won't be long until the forum is modified under his terms as this place now is.
Glad I'm not the only one who's noticed. ;)
Quote from: Bayes on December 29, 2014, 10:52:51 AM
Glad I'm not the only one who's noticed. ;)
Your learned comment on "attacking the straw man" was perfect.
I heard you eat children too
Quote from: Albalaha on December 29, 2014, 12:26:42 PM
I stay anywhere at my own conditions. I can't bear dictatorship or silly comments and do not compromise with the admin or his crew unless it is about rules. If you or your fellow GM do not like this you may quit this place too.
Al...I'll be frank with you.
I never dislike someone just because others do...I generally try to be nuteral until its personal.
I don't remember having any personal altercation with you.
What I don't like is the circus which is Albalaha. The disruption...the arguments.....and the anger you cause.
http://img1.liveinternet.ru/images/attach/c/4/82/567/82567041_grabli.jpg
The circus has left the town, but the main clown decided to stay.
QuoteI was invited too...but if Albalaha is there, I won't join.
Knew it wouldn't be just me that he provokes the old heckles.
The sad thing is/was that the admin (
calls themsleves AK) said they had only recently visited gambling forums to garner the names of what they called experts in the field, good post counts, long sering members etc etc making it '
look' like there wouldn't be anyone '
like' albalabalabba allowed BUT in gathering so called excellent web citizens they allow them to recommend a friend and gave them the authority to just send the invite after they join, who the f&*k in their right frame of mind would recommend that nutter?? wtf, the mind boggles
Most of the roulette forums look to be dying on their feet IMO.
vls=dead
RF.cc=fits and starts
rouletteforum.com=always was a joke and still is
rouletteforumjackpots=dead
paroli.de=dead
betselectioncc=on life support
They all resemble a bad marriage nowadays :)) Nobody talks and it's usually only to argue.
Sorry I had nothing constructive to add.
I forgot roulette 30 which was bad because Kav has made a good effort in putting together some informative pages. [smiley]aes/thumb.png[/smiley]
Can't be too great if I did not get an invite!
;)
Quote from: TheCaviarKid on December 29, 2014, 07:57:04 PM
Most of the roulette forums look to be dying on their feet IMO.
vls=dead
RF.cc=fits and starts
rouletteforum.com=always was a joke and still is
rouletteforumjackpots=dead
paroli.de=dead
betselectioncc=on life support
They all resemble a bad marriage nowadays :)) Nobody talks and it's usually only to argue.
Sorry I had nothing constructive to add.
I forgot roulette 30 which was bad because Kav has made a good effort in putting together some informative pages. [smiley]aes/thumb.png[/smiley]
You don't think that this mimic's the tables these days??
Quote from: alrelax on December 29, 2014, 09:03:48 PM
You don't think that this mimic's the tables these days??
Yep, you are right alrelax! I was there at 2.00pm today and was just about the only one there.
Around the late 80's when casinos didn't open until 2.00pm over here, you had to queue up to get signed in and then it was a race to the tables, lol.
Quote from: TheCaviarKid on December 29, 2014, 07:57:04 PMbetselection.cc=on life support
Hello TCK,
We're shifting Admin's role, not pulling the plug on us (i.e. not shutting us down) :)
This might end up being a more balanced place as a result; instead of every little thing coming to my "admin's plate", it's the community + mods who get to solve things in a more independent & democratic way.
That sounds like good news Vic.
Don't get me wrong! Forums are what the members make them. I can think of loads of times on some of your forums when members were pulling together and there was a good spirit about. Maybe giving people more of a vested interest in how the community is run will create a good atmosphere where people feel more happier to share their experiences and we can put all the petty stuff aside. It's worth the effort to try. :thumbsup:
Quote from: TheCaviarKid on December 30, 2014, 12:14:11 AM
That sounds like good news Vic.
[...]
It's worth the effort to try. :thumbsup:
Indeed.
BetSelection.cc is "piggybacking" on our software site's server right now.
Our Software's site is subscription-based, so the first bunch of subscribers pay for maintenance, then it's profit. (Unlike making money out of discussion sites, software sites intended to make money are OK)
Off-loading my administrator's duties to mods and members frees me to focus on building great software for everyone in the community to enjoy. The other choice for this transition would have been to simply handle all my admin's powers to another single pair of hands; to be honest, I didn't want us to merely move to have the "new era" for another person to impose a personal will (i.e. the new XYZ admin era). Better for us to make it be the
community & staff cooperation era, where members grew mature from past quarrels and police the forum wisely to keep balance. :nod:
Hey! 2015 is just a couple days away, so these are my last couple days as a full-blown admin.
Our first open community-council poll is regarding Albalaha's situation.
Hello guys,
CaviarKid thank you very much for your kind words.
Vic, I will watch with great interest the new experiment and wish you success in your software endeavors.
Quote from: Superman on December 29, 2014, 07:34:41 PMwho the f&*k in their right frame of mind would recommend that nutter?? wtf, the mind boggles
LOL, before eositos departure, you would get severely reprimanded insinuating such a term.
Quote from: Rashid on December 30, 2014, 04:51:15 AM
LOL, before eositos departure, you would get severely reprimanded insinuating such a term.
Hmmm,
I once received a reprimand/post delete/put in moderation, for telling someone that their system was like, and I quote, "piddling in the wind".
I do believe I held a special place in esoito's heart.
[smiley]cactus/p000.gif[/smiley]
Quote from: greenguy on December 30, 2014, 08:03:51 AM
I do believe I held a special place in esoito's heart.
[smiley]cactus/p000.gif[/smiley]
Many shared that sentiment. I guess some have to get that little piece of feeling important from somewhere.
What irks me, is that this is not a gardening site,
it is a gambling site. Gambling involves both winning and losing MONEY. With the later, who knows your situation, you might have to go hungry for a while, unable to pay a bill, resort to stealing. Yet one must not use the word bu11sh1t on thy web-site, get real FFS.
So if I was on a gardening forum explaining how I decided to cut down the big old palm tree at the front of the house, and in doing so the tree fell the wrong way and was about to crash through the roof so I jumped between the tree and the house and basically redirected its fall with all my might and received lacerations to my head and face in the process, then went on to post the expletives I yelled at that time, I should be moderated? But if I was on a gambling forum explaining the loss of a handful of chips at the local B&M I should be permitted to cut loose with a cuss fest?
I think esoito's heart was in the right place, and his intentions were noble and good, but he just took it to a level beyond the general level of enlightenment existing within the forum community. Kind of like a guitar teacher who wraps the knuckles of his grade 2 students because they can't grasp the beauty or display the skill to execute a grade 6 piece of music.
Don't make him angry, you wouldn't like him when he's angry...
How common is the term bull sh1t? And you get reprimanded for it's use on a gambling web-site??
I believe there are four moderators on this board, yet one name was out there constantly, obviously taking their position far too seriously and long since removed from gaming tables and the perils and joys of which.
What's up Tangram, with your comment??
Quote from: greenguy on December 30, 2014, 10:12:35 AMI think esoito's heart was in the right place
I second this ... :nod:
I may be one of the few to say it here, but I have been writing on roulette forums for no more than four years, and as I have stated before, I started by default really, and in reaction to being conned by that Swiss Scam. I have no one to blame other than myself because the art of a con artist is always to ( pretend) to give the target what is really desired and to elaborate on the theme so as to extract the maximum.
Through the practice of writing and the passionate desire to try to find genuine ways to know and to beat roulette, I soon came upon Esoito as a Moderator among the Forums.
Through many hundreds of posts, where he was on call, I have always found him impeccably fair, honest and reliable.
Over recent years I have come to know him as a personal friend and through his experience as a retired professional journalist, I have relied upon him as a totally professional editor and colleague who is in search of genuine success in the casino or in any investment field, just like many of us.
I am particularly grateful that he maintained a consistent and impartial quality control in terms of guiding this forum through many tests and trials, and enabled a golden phase of unspoiled calm and good will within this Forum.
He weeded out the troublemakers whose mission in life was to pollute, upset, annoy, insult, slander and cause trouble. You know who they are.
One of the first warning signs of childish emotional upset and imbalance is the use of bad and inappropriate language. The case of Rolex Watch comes to mind. At one phase his posts were so full of anger, spleen and frustration it was clear he was in trouble, and following that he sent abusive PM's to several and one including myself. I explained to him why communication in that vein was unacceptable, and that it actually undermined any worth of what he was trying to say, but he never replied.
There are several entities like that, and some far worse who are internet trolls. That behaviour does border on criminal at times and really has no place amongst adults. It is childish. Some seem to giggle at seeing off colour remarks in print - it is at that level - to see how far you can push the limits - just as a child does with a parent or guardian.
This is a roulette forum and is termed a gambling forum researching bet selection. it is one of the best because it has been really well managed this year. The Moderators and Administration are to be congratulated. Gambling can become Investment.
Esoito, as one of the team, set the bar at the chosen level and I really respect that someone could take a position like that. It might not always be as I would have acted, but nevertheless was necessary. The results speak for themselves with a calm and polite environment, or at least it was until recently.
A forum will not work when self governed and where there is no quality control. Also quality control needs fast action, not decision by committee. Life experience teaches that.
The recent behaviour by one member who has been an irritant to this Forum and many other Forums for years is a case in point where the unceasing need to be in the spotlight and causing dissension and ill will and a series of posts where he was screaming for attention, reached shocking levels.
Now this fellow has appeared at the new Forum and immediately has caused negative reaction before it even opened its doors.
The format of open Forums needs to be rigorously reviewed or there will be continuing losses as serious writers will avoid stormy waters. There is a role for healthy debate and mature, robust criticism and review nevertheless. It might be better to take a deep breath and simply carefully read what has been offered. No need for glib, smart and cynical reactionary posts. It takes a lot of time and effort to write a published piece. Respect that.
This note is to thank Esoito for his work and my most sincere thanks and goodwill for his future efforts.
Quote from: XXVV on December 31, 2014, 02:07:14 AM
I may be one of the few to say it here, but I have been writing on roulette forums for no more than four years, and as I have stated before, I started by default really, and in reaction to being conned by that Swiss Scam. I have no one to blame other than myself because the art of a con artist is always to ( pretend) to give the target what is really desired and to elaborate on the theme so as to extract the maximum.
You sure you not him? I still suspect you might be CEH...
Through the practice of writing and the passionate desire to try to find genuine ways to know and to beat roulette, I soon came upon Esoito as a Moderator among the Forums.
Through many hundreds of posts, where he was on call, I have always found him impeccably fair, honest and reliable.
Honest and reliable, yes. Impeccably fair, I disagree.
Over recent years I have come to know him as a personal friend and through his experience as a retired professional journalist, I have relied upon him as a totally professional editor and colleague who is in search of genuine success in the casino or in any investment field, just like many of us.
I am particularly grateful that he maintained a consistent and impartial quality control in terms of guiding this forum through many tests and trials, and enabled a golden phase of unspoiled calm and good will within this Forum.
Consistent, yes. Impartial, I disagree.
He weeded out the troublemakers whose mission in life was to pollute, upset, annoy, insult, slander and cause trouble. You know who they are.
One of the first warning signs of childish emotional upset and imbalance is the use of bad and inappropriate language. The case of Rolex Watch comes to mind. At one phase his posts were so full of anger, spleen and frustration it was clear he was in trouble, and following that he sent abusive PM's to several and one including myself. I explained to him why communication in that vein was unacceptable, and that it actually undermined any worth of what he was trying to say, but he never replied.
There are several entities like that, and some far worse who are internet trolls. That behaviour does border on criminal at times and really has no place amongst adults. It is childish. Some seem to giggle at seeing off colour remarks in print - it is at that level - to see how far you can push the limits - just as a child does with a parent or guardian.
This is a roulette forum and is termed a gambling forum researching bet selection. it is one of the best because it has been really well managed this year. The Moderators and Administration are to be congratulated. Gambling can become Investment.
Esoito, as one of the team, set the bar at the chosen level and I really respect that someone could take a position like that. It might not always be as I would have acted, but nevertheless was necessary. The results speak for themselves with a calm and polite environment, or at least it was until recently.
Nothing at all has changed since esoito quit, except a few mild and disguised cuss words have been published.
A forum will not work when self governed and where there is no quality control. Also quality control needs fast action, not decision by committee. Life experience teaches that.
The recent behaviour by one member who has been an irritant to this Forum and many other Forums for years is a case in point where the unceasing need to be in the spotlight and causing dissension and ill will and a series of posts where he was screaming for attention, reached shocking levels.
Esoito often came to the defence of the member you speak about at the expense of others
Now this fellow has appeared at the new Forum and immediately has caused negative reaction before it even opened its doors.
The format of open Forums needs to be rigorously reviewed or there will be continuing losses as serious writers will avoid stormy waters. There is a role for healthy debate and mature, robust criticism and review nevertheless. It might be better to take a deep breath and simply carefully read what has been offered. No need for glib, smart and cynical reactionary posts. It takes a lot of time and effort to write a published piece. Respect that.
Yes, I wrote a few lengthy published rule abiding pieces that took a lot of time and effort to write only to be deleted by esoito because he didn't like the tone or content.
This note is to thank Esoito for his work and my most sincere thanks and goodwill for his future efforts.
Well said XXVV, 110%. I have questioned my own existence here as it seems to have caused a few (how many more is what I am after) to get snippy and crude, most certainly they would like to see me gone. If it's the common goal amongst users/members, I will only be too happy to comply. Hence my poll, short and to the point.
esoito was neither fair nor impartial. I was muted for no good reason several times, apparently only for being "negative". It makes you wonder what's going on here when members are censored for posting the truth about systems.
Quote from: Mike on December 31, 2014, 09:10:39 AM
esoito was neither fair nor impartial. I was muted for no good reason several times, apparently only for being "negative". It makes you wonder what's going on here when members are censored for posting the truth about systems.
GMs have sadly violated forum rules themselves and acted with prejudice towards some members. They can "mute" even if there is no rule asking for that and let anyone go even if there is a gross violation.
Quote from: Mike on December 31, 2014, 09:10:39 AM
esoito was neither fair nor impartial. I was muted for no good reason several times, apparently only for being "negative". It makes you wonder what's going on here when members are censored for posting the truth about systems.
I concur, he was bias, the fact he didn't stick around for a more democratic forum, kind of hints he was on a authoritarian power trip, couldn't tolerate being undermined so baled :applause:
Quote from: greenguy on December 30, 2014, 10:12:35 AM
I think esoito's heart was in the right place, and his intentions were noble and good, but he just took it to a level beyond the general level of enlightenment existing within the forum community. Kind of like a guitar teacher who wraps the knuckles of his grade 2 students because they can't grasp the beauty or display the skill to execute a grade 6 piece of music.
Nicely put. esoito is "old school" (at least grammar, maybe public).
QuoteWhat's up Tangram, with your comment??
A feeble attempt at humour, with a reference to greenguy's avatar (you might not remember Bill Bixby's hulk on TV).
Quote from: Rashid on December 31, 2014, 10:27:15 AM
I concur, he was bias, the fact he didn't stick around for a more democratic forum, kind of hints he was on a authoritarian power trip, couldn't tolerate being undermined so baled.
No, I believe he just chose not to deal with the daily "crisis" of adults basically arguing over who took their Crayons and things like that.
AD
It is a little bit like attending one's own funeral to observe some of these posts. To be damned by faint praise is an interesting phenomenon which I understand goes back to Alexander Pope in 1733, but more probably to the origins of human fickle behaviour.
Of course I received the obligatory 4 letter words from Rolex Watch - not very articulate thanks, but at least an amusing response.
And not to put too fine a point on it, it is astonishing and actually very offensive to have Green Hulk mention the CEH context when that entity actually stole it is estimated, over $1.72 million GBP, in a pre-meditated but convoluted con fraud, especially from roulette loving Europeans as well as this kiwi. That HSBC actually hosted the fraudulent account at Brighton was an inspired PR spin coup for them...
Oh well, back to the Blog...
Quote from: XXVV on December 31, 2014, 08:14:24 PM
. That HSBC actually hosted the fraudulent account at Brighton was an inspired PR spin coup for them...
Oh well, back to the Blog...
Are you talking about Hong Kong Shanghai Banking Corporation? If so, they bought out the New York mega bank back in the early 90's of Marine Midland Bank based in Buffalo, NY. I was a major vendor contractor for them in their MMAFC Marine Midland Automotive Finance Corporation which was the largest USA non-captive automotive and equipment financing company, second and third only to GMAC and FMCC, etc. They immediately sold off many portfolios that Marine Midland A.F. had and had my company repo and liquate thousands of vehicles and off-lease vehicles and then closed the companies and refused to pay us--saying we were contractors of Marine Midland and not HSBC. Lawyers made lots of fees for 2.5 years in court, what a great way to come into America. Got paid about 40 cents on the dollar, this was about the same time the feds were having a field day in NYC Chinatown with the 5 major Asian crime gangs, lots of it linked back to and through HSBC accounts and personnel (as reported in all the NYC media at that time and you can Google or Bing HSBC and Asian Organized Crime and see what is happening or happened in numerous countries. They have a long history of ties to O.C. in China. Karma I guess.
Re HSBC and banksters... excellent example. Compare also the RBS et al. who actually have been shown to have a dirty tricks division to 'assist' problem customers only to have a hidden agenda which sucks defaulting businesses into a black hole for re-packaging and processing. Similar ethical principles to packaged junk bonds. All came to a head in 2008, but of course has now re-continued and reached ever new lows which can guarantee 2015 will be a year of much social unrest in Europe, and a likely replay of 2008/9 only messier.
You might like to draw inferences to HSBC but I couldn't possibly comment...you might find the Moderators/ Admin act quite quickly when it comes to risk of upsetting litigious entities with printing presses producing fiat currency 24/7. The cracks are starting to show however in that game.
For those who do care about where all this is heading access Keiser Report on RT.com. That will be bound to upset some people.
Also look into the Economics of Happiness and crypto currencies that leave the banksters stranded. Helena Norberg-Hodge is a beautiful multi-lingual Swedish Economist who is based in my old hometown in Devon. Watch this space.
All the above is one reason that I value casinos.
Back to the Blog.....
Quote from: ADulay on December 31, 2014, 05:23:53 PM
No, I believe he just chose not to deal with the daily "crisis" of adults basically arguing over who took their Crayons and things like that.
AD
Yeah okay, but his timing was impeccable. I mean he was able to deal with adults arguing over crayons for quiet some time while he had ultimate power. Then with changes underfoot, decided to bail, anybody who gets that upset over the term bull sh1t in this day and age on a gambling forum really shouldn't be here IMO.
I mean people are allowed to "reel people in", "con fellow members into parting with their money with false promises", but you can't use the term bull sh1t,
literally pathetic..
Quote from: XXVV on December 31, 2014, 10:29:41 PM
Re HSBC and banksters... excellent example. Compare also the RBS et al. who actually have been shown to have a dirty tricks division to 'assist' problem customers only to have a hidden agenda which sucks defaulting businesses into a black hole for re-packaging and processing. Similar ethical principles to packaged junk bonds. All came to a head in 2008, but of course has now re-continued and reached ever new lows which can guarantee 2015 will be a year of much social unrest in Europe, and a likely replay of 2008/9 only messier.
You might like to draw inferences to HSBC but I couldn't possibly comment...you might find the Moderators/ Admin act quite quickly when it comes to risk of upsetting litigious entities with printing presses producing fiat currency 24/7. The cracks are starting to show however in that game.
For those who do care about where all this is heading access Keiser Report on RT.com. That will be bound to upset some people.
Also look into the Economics of Happiness and crypto currencies that leave the banksters stranded. Helena Norberg-Hodge is a beautiful multi-lingual Swedish Economist who is based in my old hometown in Devon. Watch this space.
All the above is one reason that I value casinos.
Back to the Blog.....
I didn't make that up, it was all in the daily NY presses about HSBC 'close banking ties' with organized crime entities of Asia. Their take over/buy-out was held up until certain contingency's were met with those relationships, etc. Reminds me of New Jersey's CCC (casino control commission) forever forbidding MGM from having a NJ Gaming License because of Pansy Ho's father, Stanley and that relationship over in China.
( just Google or Bing "HSBC ties to organized crime in China) Plenty of references, this is not fiction.