I think I found something here: I call it the "123-movement". It's a particular movement on the live-wheel that seems to occur very often. I would say it has 80-90% hitrate in the first 3 spins
I've only studied 3 list of live spins so far, but these pattern occurs very frequently in all these spins.
The movement is (on the live wheel) doz 1, 2, 3, or doz 3, 2, 1 This movement is reccuring like this (see the chart!)
1
2
3
or
3
2
1
to play this:
Wait for trigger doz 1, 2 hit then bet doz 3 for three spins.
or
Wait for trigger doz 3,2 hit then bet doz 1 for three spins
By dozen I mean Wheel-dozen (European Wheel)
I've tested this live and it works!
I will make a tracker for this! :cheer:
Very interesting Ignatus.
Will back-test using Live spins.
Thank You.
Yes. I'll do a tracker! it will take half an hour or so! np
(Another set of livespins, this 123-pattern is reccuring!) :cheer: :cheer:
@Ignatus
I believe a Dr Neumann ( or similar) prepared a roulette system for such a pattern phenomena - saw this about 10 years ago. You may be able to access some comment or files. At the time I did not proceed with his approach. Hope this assist your research.
OK Gizmotron :D
Here is a simple tracker for playing this: Just enter Dozen (1,2,3) and the numbers will pop up. (you'll have to seach for the numbers)
Find the correct sequence when playing: Doz 1,2 (bet 3) or Doz 3,2 (bet 1) For 3 spins, (then STOP) That's the way I would play it
Hello ignatus,
one question I have to ask ,
when you win, do you start traking new or are you using the winning dozzen as the first to track ?!?
Dz
1
2
bet 3
3 win
2 do you take the 3 to track so we would need to bet dz 1
1 or do you take dz 2 and dz1 to bet on dz3 ?
Ray
Quote from: rayhd63 on January 24, 2013, 10:03:15 PM
Hello ignatus,
one question I have to ask ,
when you win, do you start traking new or are you using the winning dozzen as the first to track ?!?
Dz
1
2
bet 3
3 win
2 do you take the 3 to track so we would need to bet dz 1
1 or do you take dz 2 and dz1 to bet on dz3 ?
Ray
"when you win, do you start traking new or are you using the winning dozzen as the first to track ?!?" Yes. Only find pattern 123 or 321. As soon as 1,2 hit: bet 3 or when 3,2 hit: bet 1. I use +1 progression (after 3 spins) STOP after 3 spins, but next trigger +1. Reset when 2 hits in a row (within three spins+three spins)More livespins to study the 123 Move:
Sector Scanner in attachment.
Thanks!
I played it now at DublinBet Table 2:
WWWLLLWLWWWWWLWWWLWLWLWWLWWLLLWLWWWWWL
24/38 = 63% Winrate
This was a real bad session in my opinion, fist because 3 losses in a row should be rare, also lose-rate is pretty high. Even though I had a very bad session, it's clear that you'll win more than you lose.
Another short session: DublinBet Table 1
WWWWLWWWW
THIS is more like a session should look like! More testing tomorrow. (I must get some sleep)
gnite!
O:-)
Is 1,2,3 and 3,2,1 the only order to play ?
Any reason for playing for 3 spins after the first L ? What does it do to your results if you stop at Spin ones first L and reset ?
Thanks Guys :thumbsup:
Quote from: TwisterUK on January 25, 2013, 09:48:51 AM
Is 1,2,3 and 3,2,1 the only order to play ?
Any reason for playing for 3 spins after the first L ? What does it do to your results if you stop at Spin ones first L and reset ?
Thanks Guys :thumbsup:
"Is 1,2,3 and 3,2,1 the only order to play ?" Yes. That's the pattern I found. (it's very frequent)"What does it do to your results if you stop at Spin ones first L and reset ?" Well, that's not a bad idea since many (or most?) hits come at first spin. But sometimes they do not, most hits within 3 spins. (That's what I figure anyway)
You'll see the pattern from all livespins I've posted. Any other ideas how to play this is welcome! :D
This was a random session taken from livespin 5:
LWWWWWLWLLWWWWWWWWWWLWWWWWWWWWLWLWWWWLWWWWLWWWWWWLLLWLLWWWWWWWWWWL
As you can see winrate is high. 51/66= 77% winrate.
This is how I play it:
Wait for trigger doz 1,2 movement then bet doz 3 for 3 spins OR trigger doz 3,2 then bet doz 1 for 3 spins. (this is one session)
Progression
+1 progression: After 1 session of 3 spins, +1 bet if next session of 3 spins is lost +1 bet and so on until hit. Progression reset after 2 sessions in a row is won.
Bankroll needed: I would say enough money to cover 3 losses in a row (this is a worst case scenario) a LLL-session calculating with 12 chips =doz 1 bet (doz 2 bet is 9 units)
So, to cover a LLL-session 12+12+12+12*2+12*2+12*2+12*3+12*3+12*3= 216 units is needed.
This can be easily played at real casinos, just write this down on a piece of paper (and notice the sequence, and you'll know when to bet) This is based on the Real European Wheel:
Dozen One: 4,6,13,15,17,19,21,25,27,32,34 Split 0/2
Dozen Two: 1,5,8,10,11,16,20,23,24,30,33,36
Dozen Three: 3,7,14,18,22,35 Split 9/12, 26/29, 28/31
Well did my my first test with my actuals and the result wasn't that good. It started good but in the middle there where 5 sessions lost in a row. This is the sequence from my first test.
WWWLWWWLWLLLLLWLWWWLWWWL
I have attached the numbers
Second session was better. :thumbsup:
LWWWLWWWWWWWWWWLWWLWWWLW
How many session have you tested yourself ?
Ok, well bad runs happen. WWWLWWWLWLLLLLWLWWWLWWWL is a 14/24= 58% winrate. (That's the lowest I've seen so far) If you'd play this with the +1 progression I mentioned, you would be in profit playing this session.
How did you play it? As I described 3 bets....etc? (one W/L session is 3 spins)
Quote from: peauke on January 25, 2013, 03:36:47 PM
Second session was better. :thumbsup:
LWWWLWWWWWWWWWWLWWLWWWLW
How many session have you tested yourself ?
Nice! :D This is what a
normal session should look like!
I've discovered the "123-pattern" (and 321) only 2 days ago!
Quote from: ignatus on January 25, 2013, 03:38:23 PM
Ok, well bad runs happen. WWWLWWWLWLLLLLWLWWWLWWWL is a 14/24= 58% winrate. (That's the lowest I've seen so far) If you'd play this with the +1 progression I mentioned, you would be in profit playing this session.
How did you play it? As I described 3 bets....etc? (one W/L session is 3 spins)
A win or loss is one session (1 to 3 spins). So if i had to play with progression the progression was pretty high when the 5 L came. it would be -36, -72,-108,-144,-180 in total 540 units. the next bet would be 72 units :( .
Or is my progression wrong ?
Quote from: peauke on January 25, 2013, 03:50:26 PM
A win or loss is one session (1 to 3 spins). So if i had to play with progression the progression was pretty high when the 5 L came. it would be -36, -72,-108,-144,-180 in total 540 units. the next bet would be 72 units :( .
Or is my progression wrong ?
I calculate on this
Quote from: peauke on January 25, 2013, 03:50:26 PM
A win or loss is one session (1 to 3 spins). So if i had to play with progression the progression was pretty high when the 5 L came. it would be -36, -72,-108,-144,-180 in total 540 units. the next bet would be 72 units :( .
Or is my progression wrong ?
WWWLWWWWLWLLLLwWLWWWLWWWL is this session. I've doublechecked it.
(I calculate with a 1 unit bet and using progression)
+26+26=52+26=78-10=68+52=120-30=90-60=30-120=-90-160=-250+208=-42+208=166-30=136+26=162+26=188+26=214-30=184
+184 from this session, but I remove 100 because if hit didn't happen first spin etc
End result is +84 units (That's what I figure anyway)