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Title: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 05, 2016, 01:03:43 PM
Gentlemen,

May,
any  Gentlemen, here,
interested ,
to do some sim testing,
of pinwheel strategy,
and post the
result here.

If possible,
post the profit/loss,
of [1unit flatbet],
line chart,
of 100 bet placed,
[risked bet],
that around 350spins.
and,
10000spins,
or more, spins,

preferably, up to 100k. spins.

so we  could see,
the profit/loss movement,
the DD,
and whether it is a

STABLE bet selection.
=================

bet double dozen,
in matrix of three.

When first, and,
second-matrix=different.
bet the two dozen,
thus double dozen bet.

If first ,
and second matrix=same,
then , nb=no bet.

if first, and/or,
second matrix,
have ZERO,
then ,
nb=no bet.
===============

example.

0AB=nb
A0B=nb
AAB=nb
BBA=nb
CCA=nb
---------------------------
AB0=bet A and B=lose, to zero.
--------------
ABA,=bet A and B, =hit, as A hit
---------------
ABC=lose,
as when bet A and B,
the C appeared.

==================
AAA=nb
AAB=nb
AAC=nb

ABA=hit
ABB=hit
ABC=lose

ACA=hit
ACB=lose
ACC=hit

BAA=hit
BAB=hit
BAC=lose

BBA=nb
BBB=nb
BBC=nb

BCA=lose
BCB=hit
BCC=hit


CCA=nb
CCB=nb
CCC=nb

CAA=hit
CAB=lose
CAC=hit

CBA=lose
CBB=hit
CBC=hit

-----------

thus ,
there 12=hit, and 6=lose,
66/33%, albeit ZERO.
probability.
================

Will post another strategy,
after a few minutes.
Thanks.
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 06, 2016, 06:50:49 AM
after 100bet placed,
we will see, around 66/33% hit.
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 06, 2016, 07:25:42 AM
=================
================ABC
14B 35C 25C ...HIT!        012 
20B 1A 31C...LOSE!1     111       LOSS 1
9A 13B 6A                       210 
27C 5A 25C                    102   
1A 33C 19B...LOSE!2     111   LOSS2
11A 17B 18B                   120   
3A 10A 36C ..NB1           201   
17B 13B 36C ..NB2         021 
22B 34C 23B                   021 
8A 29 C 10A                    201   
29C 9A 7A                       201 
00 2A 25C ..NB3             101   
18B 18B15B. ..NB4         030    LOSS3 
35C 13B 33C                   012 
28C 22B 32C                   012 
14B 27C 6A...LOSE!3      111   LOSS 4
7A 27C 20B...LOSE!4      111    LOSS 5
28C 12A 27C                    102   
20B 23B 11A.... NB5         120   
35C 14B 28C                    012 
7A 33C 16B...LOSE!5       111   LOSS6
23B 33C 21B                     021 
29C 17B 30C                     012 
32C 35C 30C...NB6           003    LOSS 7
18B 7A 22B                        120   
19B 00 33C NB7                011   
27C 15B 1A...LOSE!6        111    LOSS 8
5A 11A 11A... ..NB8            300  LOSS  9   
30C 27C 36C... ..NB9         003     LOSS  10
6A 5A24B.... ..NB10           210 
4A 16B 22B                        120 
9A 18B.29C...LOSE!7         111   LOSS 11
35C 8A 21B...LOSE!8         111   LOSS 12
9A 28C 8A                          210 
16B 17B 7A ..NB11              120 
21B 27C 27C                        012 
14B 00 24B.... ..NB12           020   
7A 21B 9A                             210 
25C13B 16B                          021 
10A 20B 18B                         120   
32C 00 27C.... ..NB13            002    LOSS13                                 
19B 20B 1A ..NB14                120           
5A 36C 29C                             102 
00 11A 22B... ..NB15               110             
30C 4A 18B...LOSE!9             111      LOSS 14           
2A 30C 32C                             102   
33C 33C 31B ..NB16               012           
12A 16B 17B                            120   
2A 6A 4A..... ..NB17                 300    LOSS 15     
9A 11A 13B..... ..NB18             210               
15B 3A 29C...LOSE!10             111   LOSS 16             
8A 24B 19B                               120 
28C 9A 15B...LOSE!11              111    LOSS17             
19B 10A 7A                               210   
18B 11A 11A                             210 
22B 35C 25C                             012 
6A 26C 25C                               102 
1A 28C 30C                              102
7A 20B 3A                                 210   
16B 5A 8A                                 210 
32C 29C 11A... ..NB19             102           
17B 14B 6A. ..NB20....             120                 
23B 15B 10A. ..NB21.....           120                 
22B 20B 28C. ..NB22....            021               
13B 16B 4A... ..NB23..            120               
13B 20B 34C.. ..NB24...           021                   
9A 18B 16B                             120     
23B 18B 11A... ..NB.25.           120                   
33C 30C 20B.. ..NB26...           012                 
17B 1A 8A                                210   
13B 18B 14B. ..NB27....           030   LOSS  18           
4A 25C 18B                              111   LOSS 19
30C 28C 9A ..NB28                  102         
9A 3A 10A.... ..NB29..                300  LOSS  20       
19B 14B 7A... ..NB30...              120               
33C 29C 27C.... ..NB31.            003  LOSS  21         
00 5A 18B...... ..NB32                 011           
8A 11A 27C..... ..NB33                201         
32C 32C 27C.... ..NB34..            003     LOSS  22         
21B 12A 13B                             120   
00 30C 35C... ..NB35..               002 
7A 2A 9A..... ..NB36                  300  LOSS 23         
10A 36C 34C                             102 
11A 3A 17B.... ..NB37.               210               
2A 2A 19B..... ..NB38..                210             
19B 26C 1A...LOSE!12              111   LOSS 24             
11A 29C 9A                                201                           
30C 15B 35C                             012 
11A 29C 16B........LOSE!13       111      LOSS 25                 
28C 1A 7A                                 201   
20B 19B 16B. ..NB39...              030    LOSS26                                         
14B 35C 31C                             012 
17B 31C 22B                             021
34C 9A 19B...LOSE!14              111    LOSS 27           
5A 28C 6A                                   201     
16B 1A 31C...LOSE!15                111   LOSS  28           
6A 18B 17B                                120 
3A 31C 25C                                102 
3A 30C 11A                               201
6A 36C 26C                             102
35C 23B 30C                             012
31C 1A 00...LOSE!16                101   LOSS 29         

Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 07, 2016, 02:58:21 AM
test, from Albalaha's file of worst dozen, in 185spins,
and see how the results.


ALBALAHA #1st WORST 3rdDOZEN/185SPINS

14B5A2A
4A19B9A
23B29C2A  [111]
21B10A5A
36C19B22B
16B29C21B
6A 0 33C    nb
10A8A2A   nb
11A21B 0  lose1
29C20B10A  [111]
17B1A 0  lose2
30C18B30C
27C30C6A   nb
25C19B28C
34C 0 20B nb
2A36C26C
17B23B5A   nb
23B25C16B
15B23B16B   nb
2A4A35C   nb
36C15B33C
19B31C 0  lose3
17B5A29C  [111]
24B20B1A   nb
5A14B23B
12A35C32C
0 4A7A  nb
15B28C1A  [111]
12A30C32C
32C25C5A  nb
13B36C36C
24b8A21B
36C19B12A  [111]
2A24B20B
13B 0 32C   nb
31C6A10A
6A3A3A   nb
5A33C17B  [111]
27C27C3A   nb
15B2A34C  [111]
27C15B6A  [111]
22B21B7A   nb
21B5A31C  [111]
14B26C33C
12A3A14B  nb
27C12A13B  [111]
29C32C16B  nb
14B12A19B
30C6A17B  [111]
11A 0 20B  nb
17B24B30C  nb
26C11A22B  [111]
26C22B17B
1A6A13B   nb
34C20B31C
31C32C7A   nb
34C10A9A
10A19B18B
11A32C3A
12A22B19B
17B12A30C  [111]
2C26C   nb







xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

ALBALAHA #2nd WORST 2ndDOZEN in 185spins


27C11A31C
1A5A13B   nb
34C19B12A  [111]
14B34C 0   lose1
0 12A12A   nb
24B4A30C  [111]
3A36C7A
8A13B21B
30C12A4A
34C28C30C   nb
17B16B21B   nb
24B7A25C  [111]
8A12A11A   nb
2A8A7A   nb
3A20B7A
0 16B16B   nb
13B16B10A   nb
12A 0 4A   nb
26C26C14B   nb
1A12A30C   nb
1A19B33C  [111]
2A11A23B   nb
29C 0 12A   nb
21B7A31C  [111]
9A24B2A
34C11A18B  [111]
31C2A28C
0 16B19B   nb
33C17B11A  [111]
33C30C33C   nb
14B5A4A
5A21B35C  [111]
6A20B20B
11A32C26C
18B6A29C  [111]
15B16B16B   nb
20B13B1A   nb
5A6A 0        nb
7A20B7A
2A34C26C
10A28C5A
36C24B 0 lose
6A33C26C
29C28C10A   nb
5A12A25C   nb
33C16B30C
1A23B21B
22B26C15B
17B2A35C  [111]
22B4A27B
25C27C19B   nb
0 36C25C   nb
5A 0 14B   nb
18B22B32C   nb
7A8A22B   nb
29C13B33C
27C16B20B
35C30C5A   nb
32C29C2A   nb
22B36C34C
27C13B2A  [111]
21B3A
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 07, 2016, 06:52:10 AM
in small sample,
I see that ,
the single dozen bet,
"always"
hit around 30%.
Thus how are we going to GRIND,
the double dozen,
for at least 1u profit?
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 07, 2016, 08:37:47 AM

hmmmm...
no interest here.
seems that no one
wanna post their finding here,
or just no interest.

When I say nothing about
strategy here,
few members chastise me
for not showing anything testable,
but when I post the strategy,
for them to test,
they just keep poker face...
or keep the cards
close to their face?
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: The Crow on September 07, 2016, 01:38:53 PM
The horse is not thirsty
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 07, 2016, 02:33:13 PM
Quote from: The Crow on September 07, 2016, 01:38:53 PM
The horse is not thirsty
the forum's horse's thirst mechanism in the horse brain,
does not  function  efficiently...

no, they just keep quiet, with their finding,
lest the casino, soon closing shop.
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: The Crow on September 07, 2016, 02:46:43 PM
Sometimes you look down, and see a penny. You say to yourself not worth picking up and walk away.
Someone else walks by and picks it up. Turns out to be a rare penny.
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: Gizmotron on September 07, 2016, 03:29:11 PM
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 07, 2016, 02:33:13 PM
the forum's horse's thirst mechanism in the horse brain,
does not  function  efficiently...


As far as I'm concerned, I'm working on a very complex conditional awareness sim of my own at this time. Do you have any idea how nebular a conglomeration of decisions that something like this can be? You are asking for conditional response routines. Some of us paid for our educations. Would you ask for a plumber to come to your house and fix a leaking faucet with no consideration for compensation? There are people here that do requests for small fees. They already understand Roulette and bet telemetry issues. Try to see if the horse likes that?
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 08, 2016, 03:57:14 AM
Gentlemen,
Thanks for your thought.
========================
This is one of the
MOST STABLE,
bet selection,
publicly revealed.

Test this, and you will see.

A few members already test them ,
and they report very stable result.
It is cumbersome to bet in BM casino, thou,
as it need 3spins matrix...and 300spins to bet 100.

I have another easier selection,
that also STABLE,
and will reveal,
after I test through,
#100 real live table decision.
----------------
stay tune!!!
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 09, 2016, 03:31:50 AM
bet another way.

AAA=hit=+1
AAB=hit
AAC=hit

ABA=hit
ABB=hit
ABC=hit

ACA=hit
ACB=lose=
ACC=hit

BAA=hit
BAB=hit
BAC=lose=

BBA=hit
BBB=hit
BBC=hit

BCA=hit
BCB=hit
BCC=hit


CCA=hit
CCB=hit
CCC=hit

CAA=hit
CAB=hit
CAC=hit

CBA=lose=
CBB=hit
CBC=hit=


lose probability=3/27=11%
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 09, 2016, 03:37:21 AM
hmmmm..
still no interest here...
I believed,
people that test this pinwheel selection strategy,
found out that this strategy,
is  STABLE, 66/33albeit green,
and keep the card close to their chest.

Since I can't do programming,
I did tell a few members here,
years ago, and VIOLA!,

ONLY two members,
tell me the results,
and the rest, just keep quiet,

as if they never do any test.

[one even scold me, for asking!]
hhhmmmmm.....
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 09, 2016, 03:58:31 AM
and another way

AAA=hit=+3
AAB=hit=+3
AAC=hit=+3

ABA=hit=+3
ABB=0
ABC=-3

ACA=0
ACB=lose=-3
ACC=  -6

BAA= -6
BAB=-0
BAC=lose=-3

BBA=hit=+3
BBB=hit=+3
BBC=hit=+3

BCA==-3
BCB=hit=+3
BCC==0


CCA=hit=+3
CCB=hit=+3
CCC=hit=+3

CAA=0
CAB=-3
CAC=+3

CBA=-3
CBB=-6
CBC= 0
==================
+3=x12hit=36
-6=x3lose=-18
-3=x6lose=-18
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 09, 2016, 04:12:02 AM

and another


AAA=hit =+1
AAB=hit =+1

AAC=hit =+1

ABA=hit =+1
ABB=hit =+1
ABC=hit =+1

ACA =hit =+1
ACB=lose
ACC=hit=+1

BAA=hit=+1
BAB=hit =+1
BAC=lose

BBA=hit=+1
BBB=hit=+1
BBC=hit=+1

BCA=hit =+1
BCB=hit =+1
BCC=hit =+1


CCA=hit=+1
CCB=hit =+1
CCC=hit =+1

CAA=hit =+1
CAB=hit =+1
CAC=hit =+1

CBA=lose
CBB=hit =+1
CBC=hit =+1
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 09, 2016, 04:24:00 AM

the above selection,

ABC permutation,
happen 33%,albeit zero,
and but only
ACB=lose
BAC=lose
CBA=lose..

and now how are going to bet them??

[caveat; the probability of losses remain same,
only the probability of lose permutation=3/27]=
==================
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 09, 2016, 04:26:43 AM
one of the easy way,
skip, hit and run,
wait for...

ABC permutation,
happen 33%,albeit zero,
and but only
ACB=lose
BAC=lose
CBA=lose..


wait for one of these permutation, to hit first,
the chance of

ACB=lose
BAC=lose
CBA=lose
to hit in row= low...
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 10, 2016, 01:16:11 PM
  BAC=NB
  ACA=L
  AAC=W
  AAB=W
  BCC=L
  ABA=W
  CAC=W
  CBB=W
  BAA=W
  BAB=W
  CAA=W
  BAB=L
  AAB=W
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 20, 2016, 08:13:47 AM
See how 4row of matrix behave in win loss,
of pinwheel 012 permutation.

=================
Let see how every FOUR rows,
of pw  behaves,
and we
see how to have a pre-determined,
profit target and cut loss target,
for every 4rows.

==========
how to read.
===========ABC
14B 35C 25C =[012 ] of pw hit in matrix

=========== 
14B 35C 25C=mean dozen,
in three spins...arranged in matrix3.

=ABC
[012 ]=mean A=0hit,B=1hit,C=2hit.

there many strategy to bet,

Here we see how
[012]and [300]permutation,
equal profit,
and 111=losses.

=========== =ABC
14B 35C 25C      012 =hit
20B 1A 31C        111 =lose       
9A 13B 6A          210  =hit
27C 5A 25C        102 =hit  =3hit /1lose.

1A 33C 19B        111   
11A 17B 18B      120   
3A 10A 36C        201   
17B 13B 36C      021  =3hit/ 1lose

22B 34C 23B       021 
8A 29 C 10A        201   
29C 9A 7A           201 
00 2A 25C           101   nb
18B 18B15B.       030   =4hit/ 0lose

35C 13B 33C       012 
28C 22B 32C       012 
14B 27C 6A         111   
7A 27C 20B         111   =2hit/2 lose


28C 12A 27C        102   
20B 23B 11A        120   
35C 14B 28C        012 
7A 33C 16B          111  =3hit/ 1lose


23B 33C 21B        021 
29C 17B 30C        012 
32C 35C 30C        003   
18B 7A 22B          120   =4hit/ 0lose

19B 00 33C           011   
27C 15B 1A          111   
5A 11A 11A           300   
30C 27C 36C         003    =2hit/2 lose

6A 5A24B              210 
4A 16B 22B           120 
9A 18B.29C           111   
35C 8A 21B           111   =2hit/ 2lose


9A 28C 8A             210 
16B 17B 7A           120 
21B 27C 27C         012 
14B 00 24B            020   =3hit/1 lose

7A 21B 9A              210 
25C13B 16B           021 
10A 20B 18B          120   
32C 00 27C            002  =3hit/ 1lose   
                                 
19B 20B 1A            120           
5A 36C 29C           102 
00 11A 22B            110  nb           
30C 4A 18B            111   
2A 30C 32C            102 =3hit/ 1lose
 
33C 33C 31B          012           
12A 16B 17B          120   
2A 6A 4A                300     
9A 11A 13B            210=4hit/ 0lose 
             
15B 3A 29C           111   
8A 24B 19B           120 
28C 9A 15B           111   
19B 10A 7A           210  =3hit/ 0lose

18B 11A 11A         210 
22B 35C 25C         012 
6A 26C 25C          102 
1A 28C 30C          102 =4hit/ 0lose

7A 20B 3A             210   
16B 5A 8A             210 
32C 29C 11A        102       
17B 14B 6A.         120  =4hit/ 0lose
             
23B 15B 10A.       120                 
22B 20B 28C.       021               
13B 16B 4A...       120       
13B 20B 34C..     021  =4hit/ 0lose
                 
9A 18B 16B         120     
23B 18B 11A...     120                   
33C 30C 20B..      012       
17B 1A 8A            210  =4hit/ 0lose

13B 18B 14B.       030   
4A 25C 18B         111   
30C 28C 9A         102         
9A 3A 10A....       300 =3hit/ 0lose

19B 14B 7A..       120               
33C 29C 27C....   003   
00 5A 18B......      011      nb 
8A 11A 27C.....    201
32C 32C 27C...    003  =4hit/ 0lose
   
21B 12A 13B        120   
00 30C 35C... ..    002  nb
7A 2A 9A.....         300   
10A 36C 34C       102 
11A 3A 17B....      210 =4hit/0 lose
             
2A 2A 19B.....  ..   210         
19B 26C 1A...       111   
11A 29C 9A          201                           
30C 15B 35C        012  =4hit/ 0lose

11A 29C 16B        111     
28C 1A 7A            201   
20B 19B 16B.       030                                               
14B 35C 31C        012  =3hit/ 1lose

17B 31C 22B        021
34C 9A 19B          111   
5A 28C 6A            201     
16B 1A 31C          111 =2hit/ 2lose
   
6A 18B 17B         120 
3A 31C 25C         102 
3A 30C 11A         201
6A 36C 26C         102 =4hit/ 0lose

35C 23B 30C      012
31C 1A 00           101   
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 20, 2016, 08:43:36 AM


See how 4row of matrix,

see how INCREMENTALY,
of four rolling...

behave in win loss,
of pinwheel 012 permutation.

=================






Here we see how
[012]and [300]permutation,
equal profit,
and 111=losses.


=========== =ABC
14B 35C 25C      012 
20B 1A 31C        111 
9A 13B 6A          210   
27C 5A 25C        102  =3hit /1lose.
1A 33C 19B        111 = 2hit/ 2lose   
11A 17B 18B      120   = 3hit/ 1lose
3A 10A 36C        201  = 3hit/ 1lose
17B 13B 36C      021  =3hit/ 1lose
22B 34C 23B       021  = 4hit/ 0 lose
8A 29 C 10A        201 = 4hit/0 lose 
29C 9A 7A           201 = 4hit/0 lose
00 2A 25C           101  nb
18B 18B15B.       030   =4hit/ 0lose
35C 13B 33C       012  = 4hit/0 lose
28C 22B 32C       012 = 4hit/ 0lose
14B 27C 6A         111  = 3hit/1 lose
7A 27C 20B         111   =2hit/2 lose
28C 12A 27C        102  = 2hit/ 2lose
20B 23B 11A        120  = 2hit/ 2lose
35C 14B 28C        012 = 3hit/ 1lose
7A 33C 16B          111  =3hit/ 1lose
23B 33C 21B        021 = 3hit/1 lose
29C 17B 30C        012  = 3hit/1 lose
32C 35C 30C        003  = 3hit/ 1lose
18B 7A 22B          120   =4hit/ 0lose
19B 00 33C           011 = 3hit/ 1lose 
27C 15B 1A          111   =3 hit/ 1lose
5A 11A 11A           300 = 3hit/1 lose 
30C 27C 36C         003    =3hit/1 lose
6A 5A24B              210 = 3hit/ 1lose
4A 16B 22B           120  = 3hit/0 lose
9A 18B.29C           111  = 3hit/0 lose 
35C 8A 21B           111   =2hit/ 2lose
9A 28C 8A             210  = 2hit/ 2lose
16B 17B 7A           120  = 2hit/ 2lose
21B 27C 27C         012  = 3hit/ 1lose
14B 00 24B            020   = 3hit/ 1lose
7A 21B 9A              210  = 4hit/ 0lose
25C13B 16B           021  = 4hit/0 lose
10A 20B 18B          120  =4 hit/ 0lose
32C 00 27C            002  =3hit/ 1lose   
19B 20B 1A            120 = 3hit/ 1lose           
5A 36C 29C           102 = 3hit/1 lose
00 11A 22B            110  nb           
30C 4A 18B            111    =3 hit/ 1lose
2A 30C 32C            102 =3hit/ 1lose
33C 33C 31B          012 = 3hit/ 1lose         
12A 16B 17B          120 = 3hit/ 1lose 
2A 6A 4A                300= 4hit/ 0lose     
9A 11A 13B            210=4hit/ 0lose 
15B 3A 29C           111 = 3hit/ 1lose   
8A 24B 19B           120  = 3hit/ 1lose
28C 9A 15B           111  = 2hit/ 2lose
19B 10A 7A           210  =3hit/ 0lose
18B 11A 11A         210  = 3hit/ 1lose
22B 35C 25C         012 = 3hit/ 1lose
6A 26C 25C          102  = 4hit/ 0lose
1A 28C 30C          102 =4hit/ 0lose
7A 20B 3A             210 = 4hit/ 0lose 
16B 5A 8A             210 = 4hit/ 0lose
32C 29C 11A        102= 4hit/ 0lose       
17B 14B 6A.         120  =4hit/ 0lose
23B 15B 10A.       120  = 4hit/ 0lose               
22B 20B 28C.       021  = 4hit/0 lose             
13B 16B 4A...       120  = 4hit/ 0lose     
13B 20B 34C..     021  =4hit/ 0lose
9A 18B 16B         120  =4hit/ 0lose   
23B 18B 11A...     120   =4hit/ 0lose                 
33C 30C 20B..      012   =4hit/ 0lose   
17B 1A 8A            210  =4hit/ 0lose
13B 18B 14B.       030  =4hit/ 0lose 
4A 25C 18B         111 = 3hit/1 lose   
30C 28C 9A         102  =3 hit/ 1lose       
9A 3A 10A....       300 =3hit/ 0lose
19B 14B 7A..       120 = 3hit/1 lose             
33C 29C 27C....   003 = 4hit/ lose 
00 5A 18B......      011 nb       
8A 11A 27C.....    201 =4hit/ 0lose
32C 32C 27C...    003  =4hit/ 0lose
21B 12A 13B        120 =4hit/ 0lose 
00 30C 35C... ..    002  nb
7A 2A 9A.....         300 =4hit/ 0lose 
10A 36C 34C       102  =4hit/ 0lose
11A 3A 17B....      210 =4hit/0 lose
2A 2A 19B.....  ..   210 =4hit/ 0lose       
19B 26C 1A...       111  = 3hit/1 lose 
11A 29C 9A          201 = 3hit/ 1lose                           
30C 15B 35C        012  =3hit/ 1lose
11A 29C 16B        111 = 2hit/ 1lose     
28C 1A 7A            201 = 3hit/ 1lose 
20B 19B 16B.       030 = 3hit/ 1lose                                             
14B 35C 31C        012  =3hit/ 1lose
17B 31C 22B        021 = 4hit/0 lose
34C 9A 19B          111 = 3hit/ 1lose   
5A 28C 6A            201  = 3hit/ 1lose   
16B 1A 31C          111 =2hit/ 2lose
6A 18B 17B         120  = 2hit/ 2lose
3A 31C 25C         102  = 3hit/ 1lose
3A 30C 11A         201 = 3hit/ 1lose
6A 36C 26C         102 =4hit/ 0lose
35C 23B 30C      012 = 4hit/ 0lose
31C 1A 00           101  = 3hit/ 1lose

now you can see,
how to determined the
probability of hit loss,
and risk the outcome.
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 20, 2016, 09:21:27 AM
same permannance,
but different strategy.

bet ONLY the THIRD matrix,
after two different dozens.

See how they behaved in every four rows of matrix.


=========== =ABC
14B 35C 25C      012h 
20B 1A 31C        111L 
9A 13B 6A          210h   
27C 5A 25C        102h  =3HIT/1 LOSE

1A 33C 19B        111L   
11A 17B 18B      120h   
3A 10A 36C        201-   
17B 13B 36C      021-   
22B 34C 23B       021h 
8A 29 C 10A        201h   =3HIT/ 1LOSE

29C 9A 7A           201h 
00 2A 25C           101-   nb
18B 18B15B.       030 - 
35C 13B 33C       012 h
28C 22B 32C       012 h
14B 27C 6A         111L  =3HIT/ 1LOSE

7A 27C 20B         111 L   
28C 12A 27C        102h 
20B 23B 11A        120-   
35C 14B 28C        012h 
7A 33C 16B          111L   =2HIT/ 2LOSE


23B 33C 21B        021h 
29C 17B 30C        012h 
32C 35C 30C        003-   
18B 7A 22B          120h   
19B 00 33C           011-   
27C 15B 1A          111L =3HIT/ 1LOSE
 
5A 11A 11A           300-   
30C 27C 36C         003 -   

6A 5A24B              210 -
4A 16B 22B           120 h
9A 18B.29C           111L   
35C 8A 21B           111 L   
9A 28C 8A             210 h =2HIT/ 2LOSE

16B 17B 7A           120- 
21B 27C 27C         012 h
14B 00 24B            020 -   
7A 21B 9A              210 h
25C13B 16B           021h 
10A 20B 18B          120h   =4HIT/0 LOSE

32C 00 27C            002 - 
19B 20B 1A            120 -           
5A 36C 29C           102h 
00 11A 22B            110  nb           
30C 4A 18B            111L   
2A 30C 32C            102h 
33C 33C 31B          012 -         
12A 16B 17B          120 h  =3HIT/1 LOSE


2A 6A 4A                300-     
9A 11A 13B            210-
15B 3A 29C           111L   
8A 24B 19B           120 h
28C 9A 15B           111L   
19B 10A 7A           210 h  =2HIT/2 LOSE

18B 11A 11A         210 h
22B 35C 25C         012h 
6A 26C 25C          102h 
1A 28C 30C          102h  =4HIT/0 LOSE

7A 20B 3A             210h   
16B 5A 8A             210 h
32C 29C 11A        102 -     
17B 14B 6A.         120 -
23B 15B 10A.       120 -                 
22B 20B 28C.       021-               
13B 16B 4A...       120-       
13B 20B 34C..     021- 
9A 18B 16B         120 h   
23B 18B 11A...     120 -                   
33C 30C 20B..      012-       
17B 1A 8A            210h  =4HIT/0 LOSE

13B 18B 14B.       030 -   
4A 25C 18B         111 L   
30C 28C 9A         102 -       
9A 3A 10A....       300 -
19B 14B 7A..       120 -             
33C 29C 27C....   003 - 
00 5A 18B......      011-      nb 
8A 11A 27C.....    201-
32C 32C 27C...    003- 
21B 12A 13B        120 h 
00 30C 35C... ..    002-  nb
7A 2A 9A.....         300 - 
10A 36C 34C       102 h
11A 3A 17B....      210  -
2A 2A 19B.....  ..   210  -       
19B 26C 1A...       111  L  =2HIT/ 2LOSE


11A 29C 9A          201 h                           
30C 15B 35C        012  h
11A 29C 16B        111  L   
28C 1A 7A            201  h =3HIT/ 1LOSE

20B 19B 16B.       030 -                                             
14B 35C 31C        012 h
17B 31C 22B        021 h
34C 9A 19B          111 L   
5A 28C 6A            201 h  =3HIT/ 1LOSE
   
16B 1A 31C          111  L
6A 18B 17B         120  h
3A 31C 25C         102  h
3A 30C 11A         201 h=3HIT/ 1LOSE

6A 36C 26C         102 h
35C 23B 30C      012 h
31C 1A 00           101 L 

=====================
let see how they hit in incrementaly rolling.

the no-bet, being removed,
for easy visualization.

=========== =ABC
14B 35C 25C      012h 
20B 1A 31C        111L 
9A 13B 6A          210h   
27C 5A 25C        102h  =3HIT/ 1LOSE
1A 33C 19B        111L  =2HIT/ 2LOSE 
11A 17B 18B      120h  =3HIT/ 1LOSE
22B 34C 23B       021h =3HIT/ 1LOSE
8A 29 C 10A        201h =3HIT/ 1LOSE 
29C 9A 7A           201h =4HIT/ 0LOSE
35C 13B 33C       012 h =4HIT/ 0LOSE
28C 22B 32C       012 h =4HIT/0 LOSE
14B 27C 6A         111L =3HIT/ 1LOSE 
7A 27C 20B         111 L =2HIT/ 2LOSE 
28C 12A 27C        102h =2HIT/2 LOSE
35C 14B 28C        012h  =2HIT/ 2LOSE
7A 33C 16B          111L =2HIT/2 LOSE 
23B 33C 21B        021h  =3HIT/1 LOSE
29C 17B 30C        012h  =3HIT/1 LOSE
18B 7A 22B          120h  =3HIT/ 1LOSE 
27C 15B 1A          111L  =3HIT/ 1LOSE
4A 16B 22B           120 h =3HIT/1 LOSE
9A 18B.29C           111L   =2HIT/2 LOSE
35C 8A 21B           111 L  =1HIT/ 3LOSE
9A 28C 8A             210 h =2HIT/2 LOSE
21B 27C 27C         012 h =2HIT/2 LOSE
7A 21B 9A              210 h =3HIT/ 1LOSE
25C13B 16B           021h  =4HIT/0 LOSE
10A 20B 18B          120h   =4HIT/ 0LOSE
5A 36C 29C           102h =4HIT/ 0LOSE
30C 4A 18B            111L   =3HIT/1 LOSE
2A 30C 32C            102h  =3HIT/ 1LOSE
12A 16B 17B          120 h  =3HIT/ 1LOSE
15B 3A 29C           111L  =2HIT/ 2LOSE 
8A 24B 19B           120 h =3HIT/1 LOSE
28C 9A 15B           111L   =2HIT/ 2LOSE
19B 10A 7A           210 h  =2HIT/2 LOSE
18B 11A 11A         210 h =3HIT/1 LOSE
22B 35C 25C         012h  =3HIT/1 LOSE
6A 26C 25C          102h  =4HIT/0 LOSE
1A 28C 30C          102h  =4HIT/0 LOSE
7A 20B 3A             210h  =4HIT/ 0LOSE
16B 5A 8A             210 h =4HIT/0 LOSE
9A 18B 16B         120 h  =4HIT/0 LOSE 
17B 1A 8A            210h  =4HIT/0 LOSE
4A 25C 18B         111L=3HIT/1 LOSE
21B 12A 13B        120 h  =3HIT/1 LOSE
10A 36C 34C       102 h =3HIT/1 LOSE
19B 26C 1A...       111  L  =2HIT/2 LOSE
11A 29C 9A          201 h   =3HIT/1 LOSE                       
30C 15B 35C        012  h =3HIT/1 LOSE
11A 29C 16B        111  L  =2HIT/2 LOSE 
28C 1A 7A            201  h =3HIT/1 LOSE
14B 35C 31C        012 h =3HIT/1 LOSE
17B 31C 22B        021 h=3HIT/1 LOSE
34C 9A 19B          111 L   =3HIT/1 LOSE
5A 28C 6A            201 h  =3HIT/1 LOSE   
16B 1A 31C          111  L=2HIT/2 LOSE
6A 18B 17B         120  h=2HIT/2 LOSE
3A 31C 25C         102  h=3HIT/1 LOSE
3A 30C 11A         201 h=3HIT/1 LOSE
6A 36C 26C         102 h =4HIT/0 LOSE
35C 23B 30C      012 h=4HIT/0 LOSE
31C 1A 00           101 L  =3HIT/1 LOSE
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 20, 2016, 09:45:31 AM
  BET SINGLE DOZEN



= /LOSE

=========== =ABC
14B 35C 25C      012   
20B 1A 31C        111 
9A 13B 6A          210  HIT 
27C 5A 25C        102 HIT   

1A 33C 19B        111     
11A 17B 18B      120   
3A 10A 36C        201 HIT   
17B 13B 36C      021  HIT 

22B 34C 23B       021   HIT
8A 29 C 10A        201  HIT 
29C 9A 7A           201   
00 2A 25C           101   
18B 18B15B.       030  HIT 

35C 13B 33C       012  HIT
28C 22B 32C       012  HIT
14B 27C 6A         111   
7A 27C 20B         111   


28C 12A 27C        102  HIT
20B 23B 11A        120  HIT
35C 14B 28C        012  HIT
7A 33C 16B          111   


23B 33C 21B        021  HIT
29C 17B 30C        012  HIT
32C 35C 30C        003   HIT
18B 7A 22B          120   HIT

19B 00 33C           011   
27C 15B 1A          111   
5A 11A 11A           300   HIT
30C 27C 36C         003 HIT   

6A 5A24B              210  HIT
4A 16B 22B           120 
9A 18B.29C           111   
35C 8A 21B           111   


9A 28C 8A             210  HIT
16B 17B 7A           120  HIT
21B 27C 27C         012 
14B 00 24B            020   HIT

7A 21B 9A              210  HIT
25C13B 16B           021 
10A 20B 18B          120   
32C 00 27C            002  HIT
                                 
19B 20B 1A            120 HIT           
5A 36C 29C           102 
00 11A 22B            110  nb           
30C 4A 18B            111   
2A 30C 32C            102 
 
33C 33C 31B          012   HIT       
12A 16B 17B          120   
2A 6A 4A                300 HIT   
9A 11A 13B            210=HIT
             
15B 3A 29C           111   
8A 24B 19B           120 
28C 9A 15B           111   
19B 10A 7A           210   

18B 11A 11A         210 
22B 35C 25C         012 
6A 26C 25C          102 
1A 28C 30C          102 

7A 20B 3A             210   HIT
16B 5A 8A             210 
32C 29C 11A        102   HIT   
17B 14B 6A.         120 HIT
             
23B 15B 10A.       120    HIT             
22B 20B 28C.       021   HIT             
13B 16B 4A...       120   HIT     
13B 20B 34C..     021  HIT
                 
9A 18B 16B         120     
23B 18B 11A...     120  HIT                 
33C 30C 20B..      012   HIT   
17B 1A 8A            210 

13B 18B 14B.       030   HIT
4A 25C 18B         111   
30C 28C 9A         102    HIT     
9A 3A 10A....       300  HIT

19B 14B 7A..       120    HIT           
33C 29C 27C....   003   HIT
00 5A 18B......      011      nb 
8A 11A 27C.....    201 HIT
32C 32C 27C...    003  HIT
   
21B 12A 13B        120   
00 30C 35C... ..    002  nb
7A 2A 9A.....         300   HIT
10A 36C 34C       102 
11A 3A 17B....      210  HIT
             
2A 2A 19B.....  ..   210    HIT     
19B 26C 1A...       111   
11A 29C 9A          201    HIT                       
30C 15B 35C        012   HIT

11A 29C 16B        111     
28C 1A 7A            201   
20B 19B 16B.       030   HIT                                           
14B 35C 31C        012 

17B 31C 22B        021 HIT
34C 9A 19B          111   
5A 28C 6A            201   HIT   
16B 1A 31C          111 
   
6A 18B 17B         120 
3A 31C 25C         102 
3A 30C 11A         201 HIT
6A 36C 26C         102 

35C 23B 30C      012 HIT
31C 1A 00           101   
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 20, 2016, 09:57:59 AM
many strategy to win,
the most important is...
win more than the cut losses,
as math, and selection, can't win in long term.
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 20, 2016, 02:39:34 PM

it involve tracking.

track the pw111.
and see what happen.

you notice that,
when a pw111 hit,
there may another pw111,
and another pw111
hit in the next four rows of matrix.

the ratio is around 1:2.

one four-rows, has two pw111,
two sets of four-rows,
have only one pw111.


You also noticed that,
in any fixed,
four rows of matrix,

there will be in
ratio of 1:2 probability,

that a four-rows,
has two sets of pw111,


and then two sets, of,
four-rows,
has only one pw111

thus the win/loss ratio=2:1.
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 21, 2016, 04:18:40 AM
  bet single dozen ,
flat bet=1unit, reset after 4rows.

=========== =ABC
14B 35C 25C      012 
20B 1A 31C        111   +1
9A 13B 6A          210   
27C 5A 25C        102    +2
1A 33C 19B        111   +2
11A 17B 18B      120     
3A 10A 36C        201    -2=+3
--------------------------------
17B 13B 36C      021   
22B 34C 23B       021 
8A 29 C 10A        201   =-2
29C 9A 7A           201  =+2
00 2A 25C           101   
18B 18B15B.       030   
35C 13B 33C       012 
28C 22B 32C       012 
14B 27C 6A         111   =+2
7A 27C 20B         111   
28C 12A 27C        102   
20B 23B 11A        120   =-2=0
--------------------------------------------
35C 14B 28C        012  =+2
7A 33C 16B          111   +2
23B 33C 21B        021 
29C 17B 30C        012  +2
32C 35C 30C        003   
18B 7A 22B          120   
19B 00 33C           011   
27C 15B 1A          111   
5A 11A 11A           300   
30C 27C 36C         003     
6A 5A24B              210 
4A 16B 22B           120 
9A 18B.29C           111   +2 =+8
--------------------------------------
35C 8A 21B           111   
9A 28C 8A             210 
16B 17B 7A           120  =+1
21B 27C 27C         012 
14B 00 24B            020  =-2
7A 21B 9A              210
25C13B 16B           021  =-2
10A 20B 18B          120 +2  =-1
----------------------------------------------
32C 00 27C            002 
19B 20B 1A            120   
5A 36C 29C           102  -2
00 11A 22B            110 
30C 4A 18B            111   
2A 30C 32C            102 
33C 33C 31B          012           
12A 16B 17B          120  -2
2A 6A 4A                300     
9A 11A 13B            210 
15B 3A 29C           111 +2   
8A 24B 19B           120 
28C 9A 15B           111  +1 =-1
-------------------------------------------
19B 10A 7A           210   
18B 11A 11A         210   +2
22B 35C 25C         012  -2
6A 26C 25C          102  +2
1A 28C 30C          102   +2=+4
------------------------------------
7A 20B 3A             210   
16B 5A 8A             210  +2
32C 29C 11A        102   +1   
17B 14B 6A.         120 -2
23B 15B 10A.       120                 
22B 20B 28C.       021               
13B 16B 4A...       120       
13B 20B 34C..     021 
9A 18B 16B         120 +2 =+3
---------------------------------------
23B 18B 11A...     120                   
33C 30C 20B..      012  +1     
17B 1A 8A            210  -2
13B 18B 14B.       030 -2
4A 25C 18B         111   
30C 28C 9A         102         
9A 3A 10A....       300  -2=-5
-------------------------------
19B 14B 7A..       120               
33C 29C 27C....   003   -2
00 5A 18B......      011         
8A 11A 27C.....    201
32C 32C 27C...    003  -2
21B 12A 13B        120   
00 30C 35C... ..    002 
7A 2A 9A.....         300   
10A 36C 34C       102 
11A 3A 17B....      210  -2             
2A 2A 19B.....  ..   210         
19B 26C 1A...       111  +1  =-5
--------------------------------------
11A 29C 9A          201                           
30C 15B 35C        012   -2
11A 29C 16B        111   +2
28C 1A 7A            201   
20B 19B 16B.       030   -2
14B 35C 31C        012 
17B 31C 22B        021 +2=0
--------------------------------------
34C 9A 19B          111   
5A 28C 6A            201     
16B 1A 31C          111  +2
6A 18B 17B         120 
3A 31C 25C         102  -2
3A 30C 11A         201 +2
6A 36C 26C         102 
35C 23B 30C      012
31C 1A 00           101   
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 21, 2016, 08:52:38 AM
delete the no-bet

bet for pw111,
in for rows

1A 31C. 9A
13B 6A27C    =pw111
5A 25C1A    lose
33C 19B. 11A    =pw111====hit1
10A 36C17B    =pw111
13B 36C22B
-------------------------------------=
34C 23B8A    =pw111
29 C 10A29C  lose
2A 25C 18B    =pw111====hit2
13B 33C28C
22B 32C14B
-------------------------------------=
27C 6A. 7A
27C 20B.. 28C

12A 27C20B    =pw111
23B 11A 35C    =pw111=====hit3
14B 28C7A    =pw111
33C 16B. 23B
33C 21B29C
-------------------------------------
17B 30C32C
7A22B19B
15B 1A. 5A
5A24B.4A
18B.29C 35C
8A 21B 9A

28C 8A16B    =pw111
17B 7A21B lose
21B 9A25C    =pw111====hit4
20B 1A5A
11A 22B 30C    =pw111
-------------------------------------=
4A 18B 2A

33C 31B12A    =pw111
11A 13B. 15B=lose
3A 29C. 8A=lose
9A 15B 19B=lose
20B 3A16B=====lose all1
-------------------------------------
29C 11A 17B    =pw111
14B 6A 23B=lose
15B 10A 22B=lose
20B 28C 13B=lose
16B 4A 13B=====lose2
-------------------------------------
20B 34C 9A    =pw111
18B 11A 33C    =pw111===hit5
30C 20B 17B
25C 18B30C
28C 9A9A
-------------------------------------==
14B 7A 33C    =pw111
5A 18B 8A
11A 27C 32C
12A 13B  00
3A 17B 2A=====lose3
-------------------------------------
2A 19B. 19B
26C 1A11A
29C 9A30C

15B 35C11A    =pw111
29C 16B 28C
31C 22B34C
9A 19B 5A
28C 6A16B    =pw111====hit6
-------------------------------------=
1A 31C 6A
30C 11A6A
23B 30C31C

====
61rows.
pw111=18hit times=29%
===============================

bet all, after pw111, triggered.


35C 25C 20B
1A 31C. 9A
13B 6A27C    =pw111 =trigger.
5A 25C1A
33C 19B. 11A    =pw111
17B 18B3A
10A 36C17B    =pw111
----------------------------------
13B 36C22B
34C 23B8A    =pw111
29 C 10A29C
9A 7A00
2A 25C 18B    =pw111
18B15B. 35C
----------------------------------
13B 33C28C
22B 32C14B
27C 6A. 7A
27C 20B.. 28C
12A 27C20B    =pw111
23B 11A 35C    =pw111
14B 28C7A    =pw111
33C 16B. 23B
33C 21B29C
----------------------------------
17B 30C32C
35C 30C 18B
7A22B19B
00 33C 27C
15B 1A. 5A
11A 11A...30C
27C 36C...6A
5A24B.4A
16B 22B9A
18B.29C 35C
8A 21B 9A
28C 8A16B    =pw111
17B 7A21B
27C 27C14B
00 24B. 7A
21B 9A25C    =pw111
----------------------------------
13B 16B10A
20B 18B32C
00 27C 19B
20B 1A5A
36C 29C00
11A 22B 30C    =pw111
4A 18B 2A
30C 32C33C
33C 31B12A    =pw111
16B 17B2A
----------------------------------
6A 4A 9A
11A 13B. 15B
3A 29C. 8A
24B 19B28C
9A 15B 19B
10A 7A18B
11A 11A22B
35C 25C6A
26C 25C1A
28C 30C7A
20B 3A16B
5A 8A32C
29C 11A 17B    =pw111
14B 6A 23B
15B 10A 22B
20B 28C 13B
16B 4A 13B
----------------------------------
20B 34C 9A    =pw111
18B 16B23B
18B 11A 33C    =pw111
30C 20B 17B
1A 8A13B
----------------------------------
18B 14B 4A
25C 18B30C
28C 9A9A
3A 10A. 19B
14B 7A 33C    =pw111
29C 27C 00
5A 18B 8A
11A 27C 32C
32C 27C 21B
----------------------------------
12A 13B  00
30C 35C 7A
2A 9A 10A
36C 34C11A
3A 17B 2A
2A 19B. 19B
26C 1A11A
29C 9A30C
15B 35C11A    =pw111
29C 16B 28C
1A 7A20B
19B 16B 14B
35C 31C17B
----------------------------------
31C 22B34C
9A 19B 5A
28C 6A16B    =pw111
1A 31C 6A
18B 17B3A
31C 25C3A
30C 11A6A
----------------------------------
36C 26C35C
23B 30C31C
1A 00
====
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 22, 2016, 06:08:11 AM
there many ways to bet the pinwheel,
the bet,
"after two different dozens,"
just a basic way.


Lets see how
my different strategy,
   hit.

"not a 'after two different' dozens,"

  --- pinwheel
       012  ===HIT!
        [111]   =lose
       210  ===HIT! 
      102  ===HIT!
       [111]   =lose
     120  ===HIT!   
      201   ===HIT!
      021    ===HIT!
       021  ===HIT!
      201 ===HIT!
       201  ===HIT!
        030   ===HIT!
        012  ===HIT!
        012  ===HIT!
        111   ===HIT!
         [111]    =lose 
         102   ===HIT!
        120   ===HIT!
         012  ===HIT!
         [111]   =lose   
        021  ===HIT!
        012 ===HIT!
        003   ===HIT!
         120    ===HIT!
        [111]     =lose
         300   ===HIT!
         003  ===HIT!   
         210  ===HIT!
        120  ===HIT!
        [111] ===HIT!
       [111]===HIT!   
        210  ===HIT!
        120  ===HIT!
        012  ===HIT!
        210 ===HIT!
       021  ===HIT!
      120 ===HIT!
       120   ===HIT!
      102  ===HIT!
       [111] ===HIT!   
        102  ===HIT!
        012   ===HIT!       
        120  ===HIT!
        300   ===HIT! 
        210  ===HIT!
         [111]   =lose
         120  ===HIT!
       [111]  ===HIT!
        210   ===HIT!
        210   ===HIT!
        012  ===HIT!
        102  ===HIT!
         102   ===HIT!
         210   ===HIT!
        210  ===HIT!
       102   ===HIT!
       120 ===HIT!
      120   ===HIT!               
       021    ===HIT!           
      120   ===HIT!     
       021  ===HIT!
       120 ===HIT!
      120  ===HIT!                 
       012  ===HIT!
        210  ===HIT!
       030 ===HIT!
       [111]    =lose 
       102    ===HIT!     
       300  ===HIT!
       120     ===HIT!         
       003   ===HIT!
        201 ===HIT!
       003  ===HIT!
       120   ===HIT!
        300   ===HIT!
       102  ===HIT!
        210  ===HIT!
        210   ===HIT!     
       [111]===HIT! 
        201     ===HIT!                       
        012   ===HIT!
        [111]    =lose
        201   ===HIT!
        030   ===HIT!
        012  ===HIT!
        021 ===HIT!
         [111]    ===HIT!
         201    ===HIT! 
        [111]    =lose
        120  ===HIT!
        102  ===HIT!
        201 ===HIT!
       102  ===HIT!
       012 ===HIT!

if I wait for [111]=lose ,
as trigger,
I win,   99%, of all bet!
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 22, 2016, 08:21:26 AM
How to bet the,

simple PINWHEEL strategy.

I assumed,
that you already
understand the matrix,
and how to bet  the,

"bet when two different dozens appeared"

After a long simulation,
now you  understand ,
that pw111,
will ALWAYS ,
hit around 30%, or less,
in medium [300+spins]
and longer spins...

Thus in 100rows of matrix,
you will see, that pw111,

will hit around 30rows, or less,

and you also see that ,
pw111,
will single,
and series too,

in ratio, of 1:2...

1=series, 2=single...

and the pw111,
will clustered , too!

Thus, don't try to bet,
in rolling style,
as pw111,
will STREAKS, 2,3,4,
even up to 7,8 times!
This will soon kills you.!

This is H&R,
hit and run,
as you clearly understand,
that roulette ,
is HG, for the casino!!!
Not the gamblers!

Math can't win,
the best system,
could only produce
negative result,
minus the HE,
and the pesky ZERO,
always make
your system haywire!
Thus H&R,
is to wait,
for some math probability,
that must happen,
and bet the probability,
to win, and stop bet,
and wait again.




=====================

A very simple strategy,
wait for pw111,
to materialised first,
then bet, the pw111,
will not materialised again.
in next row, of matrix.

of course,
it will happen,
in ratio,
of 1:2, 
1=lose, 2=win,
[double-dozens bet].


if win, stop,
if lose, stop,
wait for next pw111.

When you play long enough,
you will,
understand,
how to play,
with simple progression...
and win,
at least a unit,
every season.

After a long period,
you will soon,
realised,
that,
there a some other way
or strategy, to win too.
======================
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 22, 2016, 09:51:25 AM
Gentlemen,

Since the pw111,

may hit 30/100rows,

that, around 1/4+,

and the tendency,

to clustered,

then after a pw111, hit,

what the chances of hitting a pw111,
in next four rows???
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: Sputnik on September 23, 2016, 07:55:05 AM

Hello ,,, if i remember it correct so does it exist a signature where you should hit 12 numbers with in three attempts using pinwheel methdology.
But Kimo Li does not tell where and why to bet, so you need to find some kind of signature.

A good start is to know that 12 numbers should hit once within four attempts, so if you can clustering that into numbers using pinwheel it would be great.
The difficult side is that you don't know which 12 numbers will hit within four attempts.

If you solve that you can get sequential attacks into catching a signature within Three attempts.
I solve this without using pinwheel methodology.

It look like this:

L W W W L W W W L L L

L W L L W W W L W L L W W W L W L L L

L W L L L

L W W L W W L L W L W W L W L L L
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: Denzie on September 23, 2016, 12:12:20 PM
Did some testing with small units.
using the dozens coz not enough time to place bets for the pinwheel.
Did very good actually.
I used 1-3-9 and if lost then 5-15-45 and if lost 15-75-225
Didn't got to the third section though.
won very easily. If I would waited LL then I would leave the first section.  :)
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 23, 2016, 01:43:43 PM
Dear Sputnik and Denzie,
With respect,


Thanks for your replies,
and ideas.

Appreciate them.

Please elaborate.
[waiting for your reply].

Thanks.
================
The PINWHEEL,
is
Sensei Kimo Li's brainchild,
[not mine]...

and the,
"bet 4attempts,
after trigger,
for single dozen",
and,

The ,
variance avoidance strategy,
are Albalaha's, and Kattila's ideas.
[also not mine]


and ,
The
'win more than the cut losses',
a well known ideas...

===============

Sensei Kimo Li,
deduced that,
if a wheel,
being divided
into three equal pies,
[albeit green],
the probability
for each 12numbers,
to hit in next 3spins,
is 33%, for each pie.

But in short three spins,
they will not
always up to the math 33%,
but in long term,
and since the casino,
painstakingly,
making sure their wheel,
as balance, as possible,
then,
the three pies
will have almost equal hit...
33/33/33, albeit zero.
=========================
I deduced that,
  since there are
27possibilities,
for matrix3, of dozens,
albeit green,

we can filtered,
out the possibility
of 2dozens,
or three dozens,
in next three spins.

thus we wait for ,
two different dozens,
to hit,
and the next,
third spin,
must,
have one
of the three dz...
or the pesky green.

thus,
if,


If first two spin.
two same dozens,
or a zero hit,
we don't bet,

if two different
dozens hit,
we may,

1]bet all
three dozens will hit...
in three spins,
as a row of matrix3.
[single dozen bet]

2]bet,
ONLY two dozens
hit in next three spins...
[double dozens bet.]

Then,
in long term spins,
we may see,
a very stable result,
that always,
hit,
within math expectation.

eg,
in
100rows of matrix3,
there will 'always',
66/33, albeit zero.

when three different
dozens hit, in a row,
of matrix3,
it is labeled,
pw111...

and you can see, pw111,

'always', near 33%,
and by using pw111,
as trigger,
as we know,
pw111,
as 33% probability hit,
albeit green
always clustering,
then after a pw111,
hit,  a pw111,
may hit,
in next 4rows of matrix.
why?

33/100=1/3, albeit green,
then, if they clustering,
then there will always chances,
it may hit in next four rows, of matrix3.

Thus the RISK, is when,
pw111, hit less, than 30%,
then, it has chance, to
fail to hit in next four rows,
of matrix3.

if you think like this,

ie.
in an ,
'over-simplified' simulation,
of single dozen game...

if there 30red balls
and 70 black balls,
in a box,

red=+2
black=-1

[as a single dozen bet]

take out one,
and cast aside,
only bet the red ball.
how will you bet???
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: Sputnik on September 23, 2016, 02:45:42 PM

I come to one conclusion, after finding a solid selection method based upon certain principals i don't anymore share selections and keep them for my self.
Don't know how you implement Kimo Li's work - i took Contact with Kimo Li and he was at the beginning helpful and polite - but after my third email i got no more response.

This made me thinking about many things.
First i thinking about buying his book and assume i will get no slection criteria from it - but i will learn his way to divide the Wheel into different sections based upon his methodology.
Is it Worth 25 Euro - maybe.

Then i took a look at his site which is very nice and where he is Selling spreadsheets for his different methods - price around 10 Euro is ok.
So with his book and teaching and with his spreadsheet some one could search for patterns and signatures to follow or play.

This made me Think about how rare there is to buy a roulette book which include selection criterias.
Most books is only about Money management streategys and progression, same old story with all roulette books with some exceptions.

Could also see Kimo Li Selling some work for around 200/300 Euro each.
Maybe they list all clustering combinations, but i don't belive they come with when and why to bet which is the core about any gambling method.

I have not yet decide if i am going to buy Kimo Li book - because i got a bad vibe when he stop replying to my last email - maybe this is something about Three first lessons are for free and then stop.
Could also see he is Selling lessons - but then i get confused - if he does not talk and teach about selection criteria - then why would i want to get or buy lessons from Kimo Li.

Cheers
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 23, 2016, 04:18:23 PM
don't buy, don't pay, a single cent
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 24, 2016, 03:56:57 AM
Gentlemen,
Never ever pay a single cent,
for anyone for anything here.
I already revealed the basic.

Below I post, a very "easy",
pinwheel result,
for your contemplation,
Since matrix3,
has bilions of permutation,
and thus, some are easy,
and some are difficult,
and you may visualize,
a few simple strategy to win,
the keyword is the "PW111".
Take some time to
understand the basic first,
for those who has passion,
and enthusiasm,
they will "found",
some simple trigger,
and cut losses,
where profit
larger than  losses,
in short, medium, or long term.


Spielbank Hamburg
Tisch 0001
Gewinnzahlen:
=========  =====ABC
   9A 1A 12A       300 
  27C 31C  30C     003   
  7A 4A  13B       210 
10A  8A  33C       201
8A 16B 28C        111   
  14B 12A 15B      120
  16B  7A 21B      120
10A 31C   25C      102
20B  28C  9A       111   
35C  34C 29C       003   
35C   32C 6A      102
19B  7A  9A       210
29C  28C   36C    003   
26C  23B 32B      021
15B  33C   25C    012
10A  1A 35C       201
31C  6A   9A      201
32C 1A 21B        111 
24B  8A  24B      120
  30C 34C10A      102   
  32C 29C 17B     012 
   7A 23B 23B        120
20B  10A    3A       210 
28C  11A   12A       201
24B   25C  14B       021   
2A 28C   21B        111
   5A 33C 26C         102
  34C 22B  35C        012
   9A  9A 14B         210   
- 2A  28C 6A          201
28C 15B   14B         021
13B  16B 13B          030 
33C   34C 24B        012
17B  34C 16B         021
26 C 29C   1A        102
10A  31C    7A       201
   3A 21B 13B        120
22B   9A 26C         111
  23B  34C 30C       012
20B  26C  28C        012
3A 15B   19B        120
  36C 18B 36C        012
20B   3A 18B         120
22B  24B   32C       021
28C  22B   32C       012
11A  33C  24B         111
24B  35C  13B         021
   5A 31C  6A         201
26C  18B 8A           111
8A  34C  3A          201
  23B 27C 29C         012
22B  19B  14B         030
   1A 35C  16B        111
6 A 2A   12A         300   
15B   9A 17B            120
13B  2A  15B            120
  16B 34C 25C           012
   5A 35C  2A           201
4 A  7A 13B            210
  18B 15B  8A           120
  18B 8A   21B          120
   1A 8A  21B           210
  23B 31C  33C          012
4A   3A 17B            210
35C  27C 14B            012
  18B 24B   7A          120
4A  22B  14B           120
   1A  9A  7A           300 
28C  21B 30C          012
6A  17B  24B         120
   1A 32C 2A            201
2A  7A 26C             201
35C 15B 28C             012
17B  1A 30C             111
   9A 23B 19B           120
   7A 33C   21B         111
  23B 34C 7A            111
   7A 20B  23B          120
4A  11A  33C           201
13B  20B   19B          030
22B  4A  4A             210     
24B  19B 31C            021
  25C  1A  3A           201
35C   19B 21B           021
  12A 19B  7A           210
  12A 23B 32C           111 
31C  24B   7A           111
  32C 20B 31C            012
29C  16B 16B             021
  19B 17B  24B           030 
  23B 13B  13B           030 
20B  21B 5A              120
   7A 4A  31C            201
15B  12A 9A              210
  36C 20B  10A         111[x13 times]
   
====
nb being deleted.
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on September 24, 2016, 04:44:18 AM
You will noticed
That the pw111,
Will also series!

So what are you to do with this ?

The keyword is ,
Trigger...and . Safe.
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: Gizmotron on September 24, 2016, 03:11:11 PM
Hey, if it's the single dozen, 12 numbers, that you are going after then that one is simple. When a dozen sleeps the other two dozens have a 50/50 chance of winning. It's the same for streaks of singles in the dozens too. You just bet one of the possible two that are the choice for another single. So your trigger is a sleeping dozen or a stretch of singles. You also get the very rare repeating dozen too. These characteristics happen all the time. You just have to watch for them. Nobody knows when things will change. You just have to know that when a sleeping dozen wakes up that that trend is done. The same goes for the singles and the long repeaters. Change always happens. It's good to know what it changes to. So you observe. I teach the double dozens bets in my school but the single dozen is just as interesting. Kimo's sets of dozens are just a few of what can be created, memorized, and exploited. You just have to observe. So in those times you have a 50/50 chance and a two to one payoff. That's an interesting mix.
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: Sputnik on September 24, 2016, 03:54:05 PM

My understanding or what i assume is that the pinwheel method is 12 number bet.
I don't Think that is a good advice to wait for a sleeping dozen and then play a 50/50 situtation - is not working - but feel free to show an example.

Cheers
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: Gizmotron on September 24, 2016, 04:20:24 PM
Quote from: Sputnik on September 24, 2016, 03:54:05 PM
My understanding or what i assume is that the pinwheel method is 12 number bet.
I don't Think that is a good advice to wait for a sleeping dozen and then play a 50/50 situation - is not working - but feel free to show an example.


I don't either. I would prefer to win every time the dozen sleeps.


Example:




| 1  2  3 | A  B  C | 0  3  6 | P |
|       X |    X    | X       | P | -- 32
| X       |    X    |    X    | P | -- 11
|       X |       X |    X    |   | -- 33
| X       | X       |    X    |   | -- 7
| X       |    X    | X       |   | -- 8
|       X |       X |       X |   | -- 27
|-------------------| X       | P | -- 37
| X       | X       |    X    |   | -- 7
| X       | X       | X       | P | -- 10
|       X | X       |       X |   | -- 25
|       X | X       |    X    | P | -- 28
|       X | X       |    X    | P | -- 28
|       X |    X    | X       | P | -- 26
|       X | X       |       X | P | -- 31
|       X | X       |       X | P | -- 34
| X       |       X | X       |   | -- 3
|       X |    X    | X       |   | -- 35
| X       | X       |    X    | P | -- 1
| X       |       X |    X    |   | -- 12
|       X | X       |       X | P | -- 34
|    X    |    X    | X       | P | -- 23
|    X    |    X    | X       | P | -- 23



See the sleeper in the first grouping, 123's? That's an opportunity. One side of the non sleeper hits 8 times while the other hits 11 times. There's always that imbalance to guess at. But if you bet both dozens you get a perfect split every time.


Does it begin to make sense to you?




Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: Sputnik on September 24, 2016, 05:40:39 PM

I don't understand when and why you bet - i add 100 random bits from random org - maybe you can show with them how to bet one dozen with a 50/50 situation.

Many thanks ...

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Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: Gizmotron on September 24, 2016, 06:38:29 PM
Quote from: Sputnik on September 24, 2016, 05:40:39 PM
I don't understand when and why you bet - i add 100 random bits from random org - maybe you can show with them how to bet one dozen with a 50/50 situation.


Here is how. You don't need a 100 spin list to understand it. Let's say that you can in fact see a sleeping dozen. Say the first dozen from the sections on the table layout are not hitting at all. That's the 1 through 12, the low dozen. Say they haven't hit for six spins in a row and that they are going to continue not to hit for the next ten spins, just for the sake of argument and demonstration.


Got that so far?


So that implies that the other two sections, 13 to 24, and 25 to 36 are going to hit for the next ten spins, just for the sake of demonstration purposes that is. If you only place a bet on one of those two remaining sets, say the 25 to 36 set, just for the sake of argument, then you have a 50% chance of winning as long as the 1 to 12 set is still sleeping, that's means not hitting, just for the sake of demonstration that is.


So do you understand how a 50 / 50 bet could pay two to one from that?


If not, then please ask someone else at this forum to make it clear to you.
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: Sputnik on September 24, 2016, 06:44:07 PM

I understand that one dozen sleep and two remain - but i can not see it so common that you get 5, 10, 15, 20 to sleep on regular basis which make it hard to take advantage.
Also the selection criteria picking the right 12 numbers remain with a 50/50 situation.

My Point from the beginning was that this is a bad selection criteria - my opinion.

Cheers
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: Gizmotron on September 24, 2016, 07:02:18 PM
Quote from: Sputnik on September 24, 2016, 06:44:07 PM
I understand that one dozen sleep and two remain - but i can not see it so common that you get 5, 10, 15, 20 to sleep on regular basis which make it hard to take advantage.
Also the selection criteria picking the right 12 numbers remain with a 50/50 situation.

My Point from the beginning was that this is a bad selection criteria - my opinion.

Cheers


That's an OK opinion I guess. In 300 spin sessions I see 15 usually happen twice. I see 10 from 10 to 20 times. Course I 'm looking at 4 groups with three each for a total of 12 individual dozens when I look. So it's not good enough for you to have the casino be your personal ATM machine a few times in a 300 spin session. OK, to each their own.


I want it all so I never just pick 12, I always pick 24. That way it's 100% at half the win amount and twice the risk. You will see that it balances out. It all comes out to a net win of one for each win and you get twice as many losses with a 12 number bet. One dozen or two dozens it makes very little difference if you are hunting singles and sleepers. To ignore the opportunities because they don't happen enough is unwise.
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: Sputnik on September 25, 2016, 08:47:26 AM

I don't feel that the periodic sequense on a rolling basis is an issue.
This does not mean you have to bet on going and force your self facing the losing sequense.

This is the LW-Registry for the 100 trails i posted above - you did not need to show exaclty how and where you bet just show the strike ratio - but it does not matter now as you admit playing 24 numbers.

W W L W

Perfect for Regression Up & Pull
This is how the hole LW-Registry look like ...

W L W L L W L L L

W W L W W W L W L L W L L L

L W W L W

Cheers

Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: Gizmotron on September 25, 2016, 01:51:37 PM
I see 13 losses and 13 wins. With bets at 2 to 1 payoffs on wins, that's far beyond spectacular. What's your secret?


Look what my Artificial Intelligence machine just did this morning:




| 1  2  3 | A  B  C | 0  3  6 | P |
| X       |       X |    X    | P | -- 12
|    X    | X       |       X |   | -- 22
|    X    | X       |       X |   | -- 19
|       X |       X | X       |   | -- 36
|    X    | X       |       X |   | -- 22
| X       | X       |    X    |   | -- 7
|       X |    X    |    X    |   | -- 29
| X       |       X |    X    | P | -- 3
|    X    |       X |       X |   | -- 21
| X       |    X    |       X | P | -- 5
|       X |       X |       X |   |  # 33 --  -- ( B & C to win next) @ 1 -- Sleepers
|       X | X       |       X |   |  # 34 --  -- Lost  -- -24 -- ( 3's & 6's to win next) @ 1 -- Sleepers
|-------------------| X       | P |  # 37 --  -- Lost  -- -48 -- ( 1 & 3 to win next) @ 1 -- Sleepers
| X       | X       | X       | P |  # 1 --  -- Won -- -36 -- ( A & C to win next) @ 1 -- Sleepers
|    X    |    X    |       X | P |  # 17 --  -- Lost  -- -36 -- ( A & B to win next) @ 0 -- Sleepers
|    X    |       X |       X |   |  # 21 --  -- Lost  -- -36 -- ( 1 & 2 to win next) @ 0 -- Sleepers
| X       |       X |    X    | P |  # 3 --  -- Won -- -36 -- ( A & B to win next) @ 0 -- Singles
|    X    |    X    |       X | P |  # 17 --  -- Won -- -36 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 0 -- Sleepers
|    X    |       X |       X | P |  # 18 --  -- Won -- 12 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 4 -- Sleepers
|       X |    X    |    X    |   |  # 29 --  -- Won -- 60 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 4 -- Sleepers
|    X    |       X |    X    |   |  # 15 --  -- Won -- 108 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 4 -- Sleepers
|    X    |       X |       X | P |  # 18 --  -- Won -- 156 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 4 -- Sleepers
|    X    |       X |       X | P |  # 18 --  -- Won -- 204 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 4 -- Sleepers
| X       |    X    |       X | P |  # 5 --  -- Won -- 252 -- ( B & C to win next) @ 4 -- Sleepers
|       X | X       |       X |   |  # 34 --  -- Lost  -- 156 -- ( 3's & 6's to win next) @ 4 -- Sleepers



It's still not selecting the best single yet, but that will be fixed soon enough.


This was a win streak. There in no way to get this kind of a result consistently.
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: marvin on November 06, 2016, 03:31:49 PM
i don't actually understand how the pinwheel became a table layout dozen. the pinwheel is based on the wheel pockets 14-25-36 is it not?

can somebody fill me in?
Title: Re: PINWHEEL, TEST SIM PLEASE...
Post by: The Crow on November 06, 2016, 11:19:29 PM
Hi Marvin,

Good point. It's because everyone is too busy trying to put their "stink" on something they know nothing (Pinwheel) about.
They never stick to the thread at hand, a shame.

The Crow