We can't beat random.
We can't catch streaks.
We can't predict when a streak will start or stop.
We can't, but we can know when the random show itself up,
And we can KNOW WHEN the streaks run...
HOW?
EASY!
the answer, ...(drumroll)
(hold your breath, the answer, worth your lifetime bank saving.)
JUST WAIT AND WATCHING THEM RUN..
(.HA! HA! HA!HAWW! HAWWWWW!....)
Oop! Sorry for LOL!
Yeah, the answer is ,
Just wait and watch them RUN!
Yes, SERIOUSLY, that the answer...
If you understand, you will now jump up and hit the ceiling, and can't sleep tonight,
for you found what you seek in you whole internet forum life...
I have tried my best to explain. From my experiences and life.
Identify what the winning and losing hands truly are. Realize they only come in 'sections'. Change your way of wagering and realize that 'time' and the amount of play/wagers you make at the casino, really are not in your favor whatsoever.
But the highest majority, 99 + percent of everyone, here, there and elsewhere are too head strong, smart, and egotistic to realize why they actually lose and how they actually lost.
I think I defined some of it anyway, maybe not??
https://betselection.cc/alrelax's-blog/identifiable-events-in-baccarat-the-player's-advantage-9286/msg61712/#msg61712
Just remember this too. You must know how to get out of a trend as well. The first loss is an indicator that a perfect trend is coming to an end, UNLESS you are in a trend that is a dominance typed trend. A dominance formation is when you get a long streak of a thing with very few losses peppered in along the way. This kind of thing might have a signal that only one loss occurs at a time while riding the dominate wave. So in that case 2 losses in a row might signal the end of the streak. If you have hammered the casino already then consider yourself as being in the right place at the right time. Accept that the streak will have it's own unique ending. Accept good enough. It's what you came for. Don't let the ending of a streak take back all your progress. Become an experienced expert at watching how trends and streaks end.
Disclaimer: I have yet to prove I can beat a casino 100 % of the time.
Quote from: Gizmotron on March 07, 2018, 02:36:39 PM
It's what you came for. Don't let the ending of a streak take back all your progress. Become an experienced expert at watching how trends and streaks end.[/font]
Disclaimer: I have yet to prove I can beat a casino 100 % of the time.
That is why my Money Management System protects my win money 100% of the time. I abide by it 99.9% of the time.
I have explained it.
If I won $10,000.00 on a streak, I will lock up my buy-in and 2/3rds of the win money, done, over.
I continue with about $3,500.00 of the casinos money and attempt to win more. If that becomes depleted with no further win money, I satisfied that 'itchy-itch', etc., etc., etc. It works 100% of the time which I 99% of the time realize.
I wish I knew that many years ago!
I used to play for one or two major streaks per session. In all that I did not mind getting way behind. I knew I would hammer the casino in the huge streak. That was my method for almost a decade. So now, I have self control and stay out of deep dives. I know to get the easy win and end the session. It's just what makes sense for me. Perhaps it is not for everyone. But that is what I will do once I get back to playing.
Asking questions that already has been deal with examples and discussion.
I can easy show strikes around 5 10 15 20 25 to 30 and 35 times in a row with all existing baccarat shoes - i already solve this puzzel.
The question should be when to enter and exist each bias to catch the next coming one.
You will only get valid and true answer from me with hard core facts and real examples.
From others you will only get opinions and empty talk that show you nothing.
Hints you can not use with real money and are a waste of time.
This discovery is much better then S40 and NOR from BTC.
Cheers
Here's another suggestion to get not only more streaks but ones that last longer and to better know when to start and stop betting.
Track the last 2 spins instead of the last spin. Tracking the last 2 spins give you the following couplets:
RR
BB
RB
BR
Now you have 4 possible couplets that can streak.
The limit for a single Red or Black to streak is about 23-25 spins. The limit for a couplet to streak is twice that.
You start betting the streak when one of the couplets is sleeping and you stop betting when it wakes up.
Cheers
Nick
" The question should be when to enter and exist each bias to catch the next coming one."
I can only assume 'exist' is actuality meant to be 'exit'.
Enter and exit by identifying a possible 'benefit' and your money management system has to 100% control you and you have to abide by it.
There are identifiable events that happen in baccarat, I can only assume other games as well. I wrote some of my stronger ones that I put into tangible form. These are mine that I have found cause winning and losing hands. You probably will not agree, but it works for me. My win money far exceeds my lost buy-ins that I risk. But I employ more than a mechanical wagering system with no self-control.
But then there are tons of other factors most gamblers do not even realize take place. Such as greed-ego-frame-of-mind, etc., etc., etc. But the are player inflicted downsides and his physiological state.
Quote from: Sputnik on March 07, 2018, 03:39:04 PM
The question should be when to enter and exist each bias to catch the next coming one.
You will only get valid and true answer from me with hard core facts and real examples.
I hinted at what I use here, somewhere in all my posts here at betselectionDOTcc. I discovered something that almost always happens while searching for the obvious streaks. So catching the entry and/or continuation points doesn't actually thrill me much. I exposed this stuff at my school. I won't at this time disclose it here. There is good reason too. Anyone should be able to find this stuff out if they just take the hint anyway. All I can tell you is that there is always something happening that remains continuous, even when you haven't thought of looking at it as a trend. For example the not-trend is something.
Sorry for no hard facts and real examples. My need to be cryptic is more important to me than your "valid and true answer."
Is fine - does who learn the hard way spending a life time with hints and quit playing the game with no succés.
So it does not help any member in this forum with empty words and claims that are equal a lie in my book.
Some members will continue write with empty words and empty claims and some members will understand what's facts and fiction.
But you can not warning them all from members like you, it would not be a wast of time, but a wast of my personal time and agenda spending time on gambling forums.
So i have nothing against you other then i know your true colours :thumbsup:
Quote from: Sputnik on March 07, 2018, 05:17:56 PMSo i have nothing against you other then know your true colours :thumbsup:
I'm genuinely sorry that you didn't get the real hint. I value my secrets to such a degree that I'm not stupid enough to blab them on a gambling forum where people hang out in hopes of being given a real trade secret. I don't gamble often because I'm on a fixed retirement income. It takes a long time to save up for a good bankroll. I'm doing that now. I'm not ashamed to be who I am. I was a rock climber and a mountain climber for more than 35 years. We know to leave someone behind that would get ourselves killed if we tried to save them. I feel the same for demanding people that have given themselves the right to pass judgment on me, and to make claims of knowing my motives and my true colors, as you suggest that you know. You are the beggar here, asking for the secret to trend or streak betting. How much effort have you put in to actually figuring out these answers on your own? I figured out all the answers on my own. I even figured out that trends have many many characteristics and that the only trend that matters is your current effectiveness trend. So why don't you get back in orbit.
Timely Warning to Gz and Sputnik
Kindly cool down both of you, before your little conflict starts escalating.
Simply agree to disagree and leave it at that.
Quote from: Gizmotron on March 07, 2018, 04:16:43 PM
For example the not-trend is something.
NOT TREND IS SOMETHING, because it alternate with trending...
a quote needs pondering, hard...
Quote from: alrelax on March 07, 2018, 02:11:36 PM
I have tried my best to explain. Realize they only come in 'sections'.
There trully need identifying!
Quote from: Sputnik on March 07, 2018, 03:39:04 PM
The question should be when to enter and exist each bias to catch the next coming one.
You will only get valid and true answer from me with hard core facts and real examples.
Cheers
Please teach, when the students are ready, the teacher appear!
Nickmsi,
Thank you so much.
I can't understand your couplets method,
Please teach.
Thanks in advance
Hi BW, I am happy to explain 2 Spin Bet Selection further.
Basically what 2 spin bet selection can do is:
1. Allows more streaks to be bet on
2. Allows more precise entry point to start betting
3. Allows longer streaks to be bet on
A SINGLE SPIN (or hand for baccarat fans) produces 2 results:
R
B
1. You only have 2 streaks to bet on, either R or B.
2. The biggest problem with single spin is that you don't know when to enter the streak? Does a streak of Red start with the first R, the second or third?
3. The streaks usually last about 10-15 bets.
A 2 SPIN bet selection produces 4 results:
RR
BB
RB
BR
1. You now have 4 Streaks to bet on.
2. You start betting against the longest sleeping couplet.
3. Streaks last for about 20-30 bets.
The easiest way to see what a 2 spin bet selection can do is to play around with the attached Excel sheet. This sheet tracks the sleeping couplets and shows you what to bet on.
It also shows a graph of each 1,000 spins so you can see how stable a flat betting EC can be. Simply press F9 to see another 1,000 spin RNG result.
This is not a holy grail but it is one way to handle Random and Streaks.
Enjoy
Nick
Thank you Nickmsi, for your xlx,
& couplet strategy.
Very interesing indeed.
Appreciate them.
(Noticed that , there no Zero.?)
Thanks.
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on March 08, 2018, 04:05:29 AM
NOT TREND IS SOMETHING, because it alternate with trending...
a quote needs pondering, hard...
What happens when the long sleeping dozen does not happen? I'm calling that the not trend. What happens when the streak of singles in the dozens or columns is not happening? That's also the not trend. Of course you should hammer the long streak or trend while it's continuing. But when there is an absence of a known trend or pattern what do you have in your playing chart? I mean this stuff that is not a trend is always peppered throughout my charts.
I almost always have at least one best trend occurring, be it a pattern or a dominance of some kind in one of four groups that make up 12 unique dozens that I chart. I chart to see what is happening. But there is this short lived chaos that sits between the obvious trends. This stuff has a nature to itself too. It reveals a kind of continuation on its own, even though it's almost always in short bursts.
I like the short bursts now. You should too. I ignored this advice from Spike when he started talking about it. The chaos happens more often than any other trend. It almost always presents itself somewhere in my 12 dozens. It even exists inside of my big obvious trends.
I can't teach it to you. You have to already have a foundation in trend and pattern recognition before you can recognize it. Now that is not my fault. So please don't complain. You can't ski in the world cup downhill after taking your first 10 ski lessons in the first month or two of your first ski season. You must build a foundation to stand on. That takes a lot of hard work. That's a work plan that I have given to everyone at this forum as a free road-map.
Nobody gave that to me. I had to invent it myself. You start by recognizing trends and patterns very quickly. I've created free software so that you can learn how I do just that. It's been here for years. It takes the work, practice, and playing experience to know what works and what does not work. Hidden in all the work that you put in are the secrets some of you complain as just being hints. These vacuous and misty impressions from my writings are in fact milestone markers depicting progress you should be able to relate to. If you can't it only signals to me that you have not done any work. I can see where any of you are coming from just from your questions.
For the past 11 years I have flogged to death trends and reading randomness. I know for a fact that this is where an uncontrollable weakness lies in the form of opportunities on every Roulette table. But I have found that seeing and attacking a trend is not enough. You must know your own human nature when you gamble. You must know what motivates you. You must know what is reasonable to expect. You must also admit that even though you have a great bet selection method you must also expect the perfect killer sequence to wreck all your expectations at some times.
I put everything here at this betselection forum because for some reason I'm still alive with heart failure. I just want my work to mean something. So here is the best hint I can pass on to anyone. Do the work.
The couplets were my thing several years ago. What I particularly looked out for was either the missing BB or missing RR.
If BB is missing, you have RR,RB,BR left. That's 4 red vs 2 black. Of course, vice-versa, RR missing, you have left BB,BR,RB. 4 black vs 2 red.
What you then normally find like in this picture is one side will be strong and a nice positive progression can work well.
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Now for something a little more interesting for the VDW/AP fans.
A random Baccarat shoe I just produced. Bank = green, Player = red.
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Once again looking for either the missing BB(bank/bank) or PP(player/player) and playing for the opposite.
Use a countback from the previous results to create the AP.
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Not sure how you got the green colors in the above post. ....................also what do you look for as far as what to bet and how much to bet.
Maybe you could give some examples.
Thanx for any info.
Quote from: Bally6354 on March 08, 2018, 08:57:14 PM
Now for something a little more interesting for the VDW/AP fans.
Hi Bally,
I know what AP is, but what's VDW? Thanks.
Hi Bally that was a nice idea ...
Cheers
https://betselection.cc/roulette-forum/use-math-to-beat-roulettebaccarat/
Click on the link above. Everything you want to know about Van der Waerden theorem is in this interesting thread.
Cheers Sputnik and thanks James for providing the link.
For anybody really into AP / VDW / Ramsay Theory (call it what you will) here is a nice book that isn't too over the top.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Ramsey-Integers-Student-Mathematical-Library/dp/0821898671/ref=nav_signin?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1520601292&sr=1-3&keywords=ramsey+theory&
Now here is another example:
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Take into account that there are 16 AP combinations.
1) 123
2) 234
3) 345, 135
4) 456, 246
5) 567, 357, 147
6) 678, 468, 258
7) 789, 579, 369, 159
Now doing it this way and only playing the one side also means you don't have the 'mutual bet' situation where either Banker or Player could produce an AP on positions 7,8,9.
The picture on the left shows that the pair Banker/Banker was the missing pair, therefore I am looking for P. I look to create an AP from the previous results and notice the last two results were PP and therefore I will play for the 123 AP.
Now supposing the next result was B like in the hypothetical picture to the right, then using a countback, I will be looking for an AP to form in the shape of 147.
It's not too difficult to grasp once you play around with it a bit. One thing I will say is that you don't always get too many opportunities in a shoe.
cheers
Another one....
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And the last one for now to show a loser first followed by a winner on the next result.
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One thing about this Ramsay Theory stuff. It is my experience that when you use any unique sequence to beat the odds you are in fact counting on an expectation that outperforms the mathematically expected results. In the long run, performing a real world power testing of large number results, you will find that the perfect sequence to kill this will happen just enough to render it statistically normal at the same value of the single event house advantage.
Certainly by now that 30 page thread here must have been power tested and confirmed? It sure worked because Roulette, Baccarat, Craps, and Blackjack have all been shut down by it. Or not.
Quote from: Gizmotron on March 09, 2018, 03:42:48 PM
It sure worked because Roulette, Baccarat, Craps, and Blackjack have all been shut down by it. Or not.
That's quite a statement Giz. A young kid walked into the local supermarket store and stole a bar of candy. Mr Singh has now closed down all his 5 shops. A shame really 'eh.
Quote from: Bally6354 on March 09, 2018, 03:46:49 PM
That's quite a statement Giz. A young kid walked into the local supermarket store and stole a bar of candy. Mr Singh has now closed down all his 5 shops. A shame really 'eh.
But, how many of those kids turned out to be the shooter like the 19 year old at Parkland, Florida that killed 17 other kids because of their way of thinking??????????????
Bally6354, you are right. It's possible for there to be a first time. It's my opinion that this is not it. Has anyone validated your findings? Has anyone power tested it with algorithms that are correctly constructed? I don't have time to power test it myself. I can read someone else's software code faster than I can understand explanations of the method placed somewhere in those 30 pages. I need a simple rule based set of commands. I can take it from there. But people don't like to explain things with the simple step by step method. Somebody created a test for it in a spreadsheet. Do you have the code for that? I can look for the weakness that way. It is my opinion that the most unlikely to occur sequence will happen just often enough to make it a loser. BTW
This: "Ramsey theory, named after the British mathematician and philosopher Frank P. Ramsey, is a branch of mathematics that studies the conditions under which order must appear."
Go for it. Telling me that order must appear that beats large number theory is for sure a unique way to beat Roulette. But I'll stick with my axiom "nobody knows when a trend will start or end or how long it will last."
By all means, if somebody would like to power test this, that would be great. This 16 combination AP is one of the most basic non-random concepts that I know about. Now believe me or not, there are a lot more powerful ones that will never see the light of day on a public gambling forum. I always like to think when I type up anything on these boards which is rare nowadays that I am trying to help players to look at something different instead of a lot of the older ideas revolving around MM and such.
cheers
Please try to give me the best example of a step by step simple set of rules in an example. It could be a link to a single post already somewhere in those 30 pages of posts. It might take a new fictitious example. I don't want to read 30 pages to find it. Then I will decide to code test it to the max.
On second thought please don't bother or to waste your time. I've looked at several threads regarding this around the internet. It's a baloney festival. For every sequence that triggers a decision you will get a balance of opposing triggers that will equivocate to more balance. Nobody knows when a trend will start or end, or for how long it will last.
Quote from: Gizmotron on March 09, 2018, 06:42:46 PM
On second thought please don't bother or to waste your time. I've looked at several threads regarding this around the internet. It's a baloney festival.
Fair enough! Now not to brag or anything and for sure it doesn't proof anything really, however, here is little old me on the 'roulette simulator' website in top spot.
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Going by what you requested, it seems you just wanted to take the basic concept and proof to yourself that it didn't work. Good for you.
Mr J was bang on with what he said on Kav's forum the other day and that was that some people just REFUSE to learn. But you are in good company Giz. Keep doing it your way.
Quote from: james on March 09, 2018, 09:38:37 AM
https://betselection.cc/roulette-forum/use-math-to-beat-roulettebaccarat/
Click on the link above. Everything you want to know about Van der Waerden theorem is in this interesting thread.
Thanks James. Very interesting indeed, I can see lots of applications for this, and not just for the even chances.
Quote from: Bally6354 on March 09, 2018, 07:41:52 PM
Going by what you requested, it seems you just wanted to take the basic concept and proof to yourself that it didn't work. Good for you.
Mr J was bang on with what he said on Kav's forum the other day and that was that some people just REFUSE to learn. But you are in good company Giz. Keep doing it your way.
You are right. I wanted to prove it doesn't work. I've yet to see a method that mindlessly, in a mechanical fashion, uses math to give an actual advantage in the game of Roulette. I mean that is up there with counting cards in 21. It would be a real advantage. So where are the bean counters for this? This stuff has been around since the beginning of the 20th century. That is the missing thing in all this. What I want to know is anyone going into real casinos and capitalizing on it. Where are the MIT gambling teams for this? If you look real close to this thing it is nothing more than a law of thirds packaged in such an extraneous way as to make it look official. I just got done with TurboGenius's law of third system. It looks convincing on the outside but fails to materialize in the real world. I'm not posturing. I'm willing to do a lot of hard work. This is vapor ware. Nobody has made the final argument on this. That is what is missing from the internet forums. So Take it to the casino and put money on the line. That is a the real test.
Mark, Would you not agree that there are two separate worlds? The on-line adventure to 'beat-the-casino- on paper and the real gambling world at the casinos?
The same as reading and watching a video about say, using a lawnmower and then actaully doing it??
Quote from: alrelax on March 10, 2018, 12:41:27 PM
Mark, Would you not agree that there are two separate worlds? The on-line adventure to 'beat-the-casino- on paper and the real gambling world at the casinos?
If you are saying that the online adventure is a quest to find a mindless mechanical system online and then take it into a casino to use it, assuming that no mistakes will be made, then there might not be a noticeable difference. If anyone is willing to do real world power testing of a system then the results would be the same. This is proven by expert card counters in the game of 21. But what really happens to most of these people is that they don't do the work to become expert card counters. When they go into the real casino they make mistakes. In that case there is a huge difference.
TurboGenius is still claiming that he beats the casinos with the use of hot numbers and that he does that because of mathematics. He even just made that claim today. A bunch of us set out to master his method based on breadcrumbs and clues he left online and in private conversations he had with others. I already proved I could make a rear-end of myself trying it. The only evidence of validation he could give me at this point would be his gambling winning tax return. He could somehow disclose it as proof without giving out SS numbers I suppose. It would be fascinating if he really did it. But he has been a system player for more than 13 years. He may actually believe he did it on paper. They call it confirmation bias. It's a very common mistake made by educated researchers.
If anyone that has a bet selection method that works well for them in real world practice settings, that person must also know that once they put money on the line that they could lose, they will have to face their own ability to handle any inevitable losses along the way. The system player, if they stick to the system, takes decision making out of the process. But even that is very hard to do. A very good card counter can still hit a random bad streak even though they have followed the method perfectly. That is why casinos encourage card counters to try and go for it. The casinos have made ten times as much off the wannabee card counters as they would have if the casino had just banned all of them. These amateur players almost always get taken out by their weak bankrolls. And it's real easy to find the good players and just ban them instead. So there are two kinds of online players and there are two kinds of real casino players in my opinion. There are no mindless system players that the casinos need to look out for. They do have to watch out for defective wheels though. And they still need to watch out for cheaters.
Quote from: Gizmotron on March 10, 2018, 02:11:09 PM
If you are saying that the online adventure is a quest to find a mindless mechanical system online and then take it into a casino to use it, assuming that no mistakes will be made, then there might not be a noticeable difference. If anyone is willing to do real world power testing of a system then the results would be the same. This is proven by expert card counters in the game of 21. But what really happens to most of these people is that they don't do the work to become expert card counters. When they go into the real casino they make mistakes. In that case there is a huge difference.
TurboGenius is still claiming that he beats the casinos with the use of hot numbers and that he does that because of mathematics. He even just made that claim today. A bunch of us set out to master his method based on breadcrumbs and clues he left online and in private conversations he had with others. I already proved I could make a rear-end of myself trying it. The only evidence of validation he could give me at this point would be his gambling winning tax return. He could somehow disclose it as proof without giving out SS numbers I suppose. It would be fascinating if he really did it. But he has been a system player for more than 13 years. He may actually believe he did it on paper. They call it confirmation bias. It's a very common mistake made by educated researchers.
If anyone that has a bet selection method that works well for them in real world practice settings, that person must also know that once they put money on the line that they could lose, they will have to face their own ability to handle any inevitable losses along the way. The system player, if they stick to the system, takes decision making out of the process. But even that is very hard to do. A very good card counter can still hit a random bad streak even though they have followed the method perfectly. That is why casinos encourage card counters to try and go for it. The casinos have made ten times as much off the wannabee card counters as they would have if the casino had just banned all of them. These amateur players almost always get taken out by their weak bankrolls. And it's real easy to find the good players and just ban them instead. So there are two kinds of online players and there are two kinds of real casino players in my opinion. There are no mindless system players that the casinos need to look out for. They do have to watch out for defective wheels though. And they still need to watch out for cheaters.
Actually saying, there are thsoe that stay on-line without going or very limited attempt at the real world translation of their on-line pre-programmed event they describe in detail within the forums and the real world gambler that actaully does whatever he says, no matter if that is winning or losing.
For sake of explanation again, I put you into the latter 'world'. I put some others (lots) into the first. kind of like my kids, watch the movie 'The Black Panther', go out and buy them masks, claws and other movie stuff they pretend and play. They go into the real world with it--yes. But that does not make them, 'The Balck Panther' or whatever they pretend to be. It allows them to act out and explore and expand their imaginations.
So there are two worlds no? The on-line adventure and the real casino world of gambling.
And yes, if you do beat something on-line does that mean it will translate into the real casino world for an actaul pay-off repeatedly? Etc.
I just read your other thread regarding how you play in the real world. I find it easy to relate to and it almost perfectly describes the way how I used to play. I would go into a casino with a good sized bankroll and almost always have it grind its way down to the very bottom before hitting that streak that I would attack and kill the casino in a massive winning streak with. I didn't mind being ground down to almost nothing. It was just part of the process. Now I play completely different. I still have the stop loss at 8 net losses, that's eight lost bets without any recovery to bring me back. I also have a stop bet where the bet selections all enter a free fall state. I just wait it out with virtual bets. As soon as the free fall stops I get back in. I now stay until I hit my swing trading limit up. I no longer hunt the huge win streaks. But if a huge win streak forms up, I still hammer that. But most of the time there is no need for it. I don't descend very far. That's what is different now. There is no need for waiting for the huge winner. I don't dig a deep hole that I must work my way back from. The three net win method is good enough. It's easy to hit. In real world practice I win every time. And in recollection of years played in the past the roller coaster rides I used to take always had me up by three net wins at some point before losing my session buy in. Some day I will hit a lost session. Or I might even hit a string of lost sessions. But I just don't play not minding hitting deep holes anymore. I don't feed a loser. $5 chips times 24 numbers and three net wins = $180. Ten sessions like that in a long weekend and that's $1,800. Add that to my retirement and I'm out traveling and having a great time. So that's my starting point plan. I should be able to prove to myself if I can win or not. I found a way to overcome my own playing demons. It only took 12 years. I'm not saying it's better. I'm saying it's best for me.
Gizmotron:
"For every sequence that triggers a decision you will get a balance of opposing triggers that will equivocate to more balance."
You are correct. With the basic VDW theorem you will eventually get balance which is what Bally6345 confirmed.
The point is don't use the basic VDW theorem. If one digs deep enough, if one wades through the 256 different patterns that can be formed by one side, if one calculates the statistics for the different AP, then one might have another opinion, one supported by empirical data, that does indeed, as Ramsey pointed out, show order in chaos.
Alrelax:
"Mark, Would you not agree that there are two separate worlds? The on-line adventure to 'beat-the-casino- on paper and the real gambling world at the casinos?"
I certainly don't agree with your demeaning assessment. Both are gambling. Both take your money.
Granted you have a ton of experience with B & M gambling so I would suggest those who play in B & M casino would be wise to listen to your advice.
Most of my experience has been On Line and as such it offers many different perspectives that cannot be achieved in the B & M casino.
Cheers
Nick
Quote from: Nickmsi on March 10, 2018, 04:49:54 PM
I certainly don't agree with your demeaning assessment. Both are gambling. Both take your money.
Thanks
Most of my experience has been On Line and as such it offers many different perspectives that cannot be achieved in the B & M casino.
Nick
I said on line as an adventure and on paper. I did not refer to online gamblers with actual risk of funds.
Something along the same lines. I had an expartner in new jersey that used to kill it and slam the casinos most every weekend big time betting large amounts on roulette straight up numbers. He would wager like 30 numbers or so at a time. Won the highest majority of his plays. Then the law of averages or what the winners by their own success fail to acknowledge happens, happened.
Good lord, what he won over a short period he gave back many times over. He lost his share of a viable profitable business and beautiful house as well as other paid for assets.
I remember him running the numbers on a computer every week to verify his success or his comeback after the downfall. He was always so confident.
Snowman:
QuoteClaiming that you can predict randomness is an oxymoron at best.
"That's why I never claim that I can predict randomness. You don't need to predict anything. You just have to know what characteristics of normal random events look like. Nobody can tell when a trend will start, end, or continue. Yet those three things happen all day long. But what is real interesting is how expectation has an effect on people in a form of a kind of blinding them. If you can't predict something, you should never fall into the trap of expecting a thing to happen, except in cases where a different skill like VB or apparatus defects may be considered. But leaving out those skills, expectation is a trap. But then there is this: You can guess until your guesses are in sink with win streaks. At that point you are still just blindly guessing, but your sequence of guesses can fall into a perfect 100% pattern with your winning bets. You can still do well in a casino if your bets/guesses are just running at 80%. It all comes down to being agile enough to hit the good streak harder than the bad streaks. For that you need to use your brains. Stupid people should leave the difficult stuff to the smart ones. Everybody wants to get on the expectation band wagon. They want an easy win. And that is why sharing what works is not really that dangerous to those of us that can do it. D. Sir is not worried about sharing his expertise. It's a highly refined skill. It has to be."
Quote from: Gizmotron on March 11, 2018, 07:18:33 PM
Snowman: "That's why I never claim that I can predict randomness. You don't need to predict anything. You just have to know what characteristics of normal random events look like. Nobody can tell when a trend will start, end, or continue. Yet those three things happen all day long. But what is real interesting is how expectation has an effect on people in a form of a kind of blinding them. If you can't predict something, you should never fall into the trap of expecting a thing to happen, except in cases where a different skill like VB or apparatus defects may be considered. But leaving out those skills, expectation is a trap. But then there is this: You can guess until your guesses are in sink with win streaks. At that point you are still just blindly guessing, but your sequence of guesses can fall into a perfect 100% pattern with your winning bets. You can still do well in a casino if your bets/guesses are just running at 80%. It all comes down to being agile enough to hit the good streak harder than the bad streaks. For that you need to use your brains. Stupid people should leave the difficult stuff to the smart ones. Everybody wants to get on the expectation band wagon. They want an easy win. And that is why sharing what works is not really that dangerous to those of us that can do it. D. Sir is not worried about sharing his expertise. It's a highly refined skill. It has to be."
Excellent!
Expect the random and pounce on the unexpected random when it comes along, large and hard!
Gizmotron & Alrelax,
You both have valid points. We can't predict the next outcome and we should pounce on the streaks when they happen.
I would like to offer another point of view to be considered.
I cannot predict the next spin will be a Red or Black, or the next hand will be Banker or Player. I don't think anyone can predict what the next spin/hand will be.
Therefore, I don't deal in single spin bet selections, they don't work so I use Group of Spins.
When you play B & M roulette or baccarat, a usual 8-10 hour session provides 200-500 spins or hands. When my bot plays on line the usual 8-10 hour session is 2,000 -3000 spins/hands.
This is one use of a Group of Spins. During a normal session I get to see many more streaks, many longer streaks and many more opportunities to use my bet selection. I am more likely to hit my targets during one session than most B & M players would hit in 2 weeks.
Another use for Group of Spins is in bet selection. A 9 spin group can use the VDW as a base for the bet selection. This proven Math theorem basically says that in 9 spins either a Red or Black will form an AP (Arithmetic Progression).
Does it win all the time in 9 spins? No, of course not. I cannot predict at which spin the AP will be formed, it could be anywhere from the 3rd spin to the 9th. But I can say, it will usually win most of the time at some point.
A bet selection based on VDW rides every streak automatically. You never have to worry about when to start or stop.
Using a solid, mechanical Math and Statistical bet selection reduces the chance for error.
Do we win all the time, No, but we are more likely to win.
Cheers
Nick
8 to 10 with hour session is huge! Usually 1 or 2 shoes maybe 3.
Not just streaks by any means! Just as much great money can be obtained by wagering with the weak!
Nickmsi, First off I get an average of 30 spins per hour at the B&M. My hardest session, to reach my three net win goal, was 4 hours. I can often reach my win goal in 30 to 40 minutes or less. I can tell you absolutely for sure that I will get fatigued after a 4 hour session. I'd be done for the day. I used to play for the long ten hour sessions. It just makes me susceptible to making lazy mistakes.
I no longer wait for the big streaks. I see what I'm looking for in the chaos. Remember, I'm swing trading on the candle stick movement of the little swings that go on and on all day long.
All I do is start out guarded that my effectiveness is not starting out in a free fall state. There is always a perfect killer sequence of randomness that takes out continuing conditions on the first actual bet placed. That free fall can last for several spins in a row. That perfect harmony causes the free fall situation. I can't avoid it. So I play as if it too is a natural condition of randomness. I expect the killer sequence to make a short visit. Every loss could be an indication that the free fall condition is starting. I just place a no value, virtual bet in my chart for each bet until it subsides. You can see when a free fall ends. Then you go back to swing trading the Roulette table.
Some times I get to play Rapid Roulette at the casinos that have it. In that case there is a spin every minute. So you get 60 spins per hour. What I do is easy for me. But I trained myself to see trends, patterns, and layered trend formations of the same characteristics. So what I do is easy on my brain. The casino can't stop a trend formation from occurring in the randomness. The basic sleeping dozen or streak of singles using the three dozen's of a grouping is so common that you can see the larger picture so easy that it's almost laughable when everyone does not see it. To me it's free money. To everyone else it is whatever their interests are. They are not focused on randomness, or patterns. That's like you. You have a bot that does all the thinking for you. I wrote an AI bot for my school so that it would demonstrate how I make selections. I did it so I would not have to get deep in the weeds giving out examples. People wanted real examples. I always wanted to do it too, so I did. It only looks for two characteristics and does very basic swing trading. But it makes the point. It's not a mindless set of rules. It looks out for bad streaks. I do way better than it too. So I hit my goal by win streaks or by chaotic natural change formations. That might sound like a bunch of hog wash. But you all should know this. I'm prepared to win because of an acquired skill set. I also know that by taking a small amount off of many different casinos and I will fly under their radar. You can take a thousand off a casino in small chunks without them batting an eye. A bot doing that too many times is going to draw attention.
Someone I know wrote this:
"Being thoroughly invested in what one is doing means identifying with one's state, which implies knowing what one's actual experience or situation is, and since nothing remains static, this also means identifying with the flow of one's states, trusting in the current of life (Yontef, 1993). As a figure of interest emerges from the situational background, the person identifies with that figure and becomes so invested, so immersed in it, that the background drops away and out of awareness (Perls, Hefferline, & Goodman, 1951)–even though it is always there to offer context for the interpretation of experience."
Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on March 07, 2018, 02:01:54 PM
We can't beat random.
We can't catch streaks.
We can't predict when a streak will start or stop.
We can't, but we can know when the random show itself up,
And we can KNOW WHEN the streaks run...
HOW?
EASY!
the answer, ...(drumroll)
(hold your breath, the answer, worth your lifetime bank saving.)
JUST WAIT AND WATCHING THEM RUN..
(.HA! HA! HA!HAWW! HAWWWWW!....)
Oop! Sorry for LOL!
Yeah, the answer is ,
Just wait and watch them RUN!
Yes, SERIOUSLY, that the answer...
If you understand, you will now jump up and hit the ceiling, and can't sleep tonight,
for you found what you seek in you whole internet forum life...
Hello? Is this thing on?
Am I the only guy on here that defy's all what you are saying?
Quote from: Gizmotron on March 07, 2018, 02:36:39 PM
Just remember this too. You must know how to get out of a trend as well. The first loss is an indicator that a perfect trend is coming to an end, UNLESS you are in a trend that is a dominance typed trend. A dominance formation is when you get a long streak of a thing with very few losses peppered in along the way. This kind of thing might have a signal that only one loss occurs at a time while riding the dominate wave. So in that case 2 losses in a row might signal the end of the streak. If you have hammered the casino already then consider yourself as being in the right place at the right time. Accept that the streak will have it's own unique ending. Accept good enough. It's what you came for. Don't let the ending of a streak take back all your progress. Become an experienced expert at watching how trends and streaks end.
Disclaimer: I have yet to prove I can beat a casino 100 % of the time.
Hello? Are you sure about that?
Quote from: varmenti on April 12, 2018, 08:15:35 PM
Hello? Are you sure about that?
This might fit here: "This is something that someone tried to pass off as real. He said "...but the beginning and the end of a trend is known afterwards." That's a true statement but is not the whole objective truth. The fact is I base all my bet selection options on the middle of a trend, while it is occurring. On each spin I have a 63% chance to win as it is an independent event. Those are the real odds before I get the results. The trend or the very fact that a trend is not occurring are only excuses to make bet selections from. The trend does not make the win/loss, the good/bad streaks occur. Making bets, irregardless of them being good bets or bad bets creates the win/loss record. I just happen to know that I get less back to back losses if I keep track of the randomness characteristics as opposed to just blind guessing. If I take my mind off of the search for trends I get very few win streaks. But that does not matter anyway. The mathBoyz like to think that nobody has control over what happens. I can beat this game with any bet selection technique as long as I keep track of the wL lists. I could just bet on the numbers 1 thru 24 only and make a winning system out of the candlesticks it would produce in a graph. I know when I'm in the middle of a streak. On the next spin I can tell if I'm still in the middle or in fact that the streak ended. Not all streaks end the same too. There are things like domination that are peppered with few losses while still being winning streaks. So it's smart to acknowledge that there are also middles to streaks. It's possible to live in the middle. In my game guesses only have a 37% chance of ending on each independent event. "
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 12, 2018, 08:53:28 PM
This might fit here: "This is something that someone tried to pass off as real. He said "...but the beginning and the end of a trend is known afterwards." That's a true statement but is not the whole objective truth. The fact is I base all my bet selection options on the middle of a trend, while it is occurring. On each spin I have a 63% chance to win as it is an independent event. Those are the real odds before I get the results. The trend or the very fact that a trend is not occurring are only excuses to make bet selections from. The trend does not make the win/loss, the good/bad streaks occur. Making bets, irregardless of them being good bets or bad bets creates the win/loss record. I just happen to know that I get less back to back losses if I keep track of the randomness characteristics as opposed to just blind guessing. If I take my mind off of the search for trends I get very few win streaks. But that does not matter anyway. The mathBoyz like to think that nobody has control over what happens. I can beat this game with any bet selection technique as long as I keep track of the wL lists. I could just bet on the numbers 1 thru 24 only and make a winning system out of the candlesticks it would produce in a graph. I know when I'm in the middle of a streak. On the next spin I can tell if I'm still in the middle or in fact that the streak ended. Not all streaks end the same too. There are things like domination that are peppered with few losses while still being winning streaks. So it's smart to acknowledge that there are also middles to streaks. It's possible to live in the middle. In my game guesses only have a 37% chance of ending on each independent event. "
Yes Mark, pretty much 'spot-on' more times than not, IMO. And yes, about the beginning and ending.
I would apply what I wrote about and found more reliable than anything else out there, "Identifiable Events" and apply it along with what you outlined. But when you feel it is there for whatever reason, that is the time to stick with it, whatever it is doing. Remove oneself and put yourself into the shoe and tune out the rest of the expert players in their armchair quarterbacking, etc.
When it happens, what you outlined along with how I transpose myself into a shoe at certain times, those are the times I can rack up those $8k to $20k or better sections of win. And very possibly I am only comforting myself when I do that, like the other week with the $40k plus win I showed on here for 3 days, but if I don't then all I am doing is sitting there with a bunch of others with their heads in their hands and flipping coins for total chaos.
Quote from: alrelax on March 11, 2018, 07:41:38 PM
Excellent!
Expect the random and pounce on the unexpected random when it comes along, large and hard!
As the title says Re: Random&streaks :how to beat and catch them?
simple answer. And laugh if you like but it's very true. I've created a Partner betting strategy all owing two players or one player to bet a Progression on BOTH SIDES.
Advantages include:
1) You're already in the streak that is about to occur on both sides.
2) Random also has patterns form and by covering both sides you're also covered for the trends that are about to occur.
3) Increase your wins by 1 unit and cover your opposite bet for a minimum unit after every win and same for the opposite.
4) Treat both sides as independent sides and the only thing you need to worry about is setting up loss limits and hand limits per session and per table.
5) By playing both sides you can never go to infinity, so you need to set a win goal for each session.
I've tested my theory back in 2013 and still do the same to this day in 2018. It works while others will laugh at you for playing both sides.
Trick is to hide your winnings away from other players views and while they laugh, you're cashing out more than $1000.00 per day.
Varmenti; Do you play this Partner Betting Strategy at all games, Craps, Roulette and Baccarat ?
Just baccarat because there is no other way to lose a both bets.
However you can incorporate it with Craps playing the Pass and Don't pass (No need to pay the 5% commission like baccarat but the twelve is still there to wipe off one of the bets if it come.
Baccarat also has the higher runs from both sides so either way, by betting both sides, you're in the Trending streak from the start.
Forget roulette because the 0/00 will wipe out both bets and also in Sic Bo game the triple wipes out both Big/Small bets.
Varmenti: can you explain in more detail rule 3??? A little confusing, not sure what your doing there...thanks much!!!! ???
What are your loss limits per side? i.e, if you get a run, say of 6 bankers, how much are you betting on player?
Thanks again.... 8)
Most runs in baccarat, craps or roulette usually end in 3 or less...........which makes playing both sides difficult to turn a profit...............you have to need a long run of at least 5 or 6 to show a profit.
Quote from: Nickmsi on March 08, 2018, 12:53:50 PM
Hi BW, I am happy to explain 2 Spin Bet Selection further.
Basically what 2 spin bet selection can do is:
1. Allows more streaks to be bet on
2. Allows more precise entry point to start betting
3. Allows longer streaks to be bet on
A SINGLE SPIN (or hand for baccarat fans) produces 2 results:
R
B
1. You only have 2 streaks to bet on, either R or B.
2. The biggest problem with single spin is that you don't know when to enter the streak? Does a streak of Red start with the first R, the second or third?
3. The streaks usually last about 10-15 bets.
A 2 SPIN bet selection produces 4 results:
RR
BB
RB
BR
1. You now have 4 Streaks to bet on.
2. You start betting against the longest sleeping couplet.
3. Streaks last for about 20-30 bets.
The easiest way to see what a 2 spin bet selection can do is to play around with the attached Excel sheet. This sheet tracks the sleeping couplets and shows you what to bet on.
It also shows a graph of each 1,000 spins so you can see how stable a flat betting EC can be. Simply press F9 to see another 1,000 spin RNG result.
This is not a holy grail but it is one way to handle Random and Streaks.
Enjoy
Nick
This looks a lot like (or exactly like) "Pairs" by I forget who. You can bet the sleeping pair OR the dominant pair OR the pair that looks llike it is catching up.
Quote from: audionut on April 13, 2018, 08:50:36 PM
Varmenti: can you explain in more detail rule 3??? A little confusing, not sure what your doing there...thanks much!!!! ???
What are your loss limits per side? i.e, if you get a run, say of 6 bankers, how much are you betting on player?
Thanks again.... 8)
6 bankers would give you immediate 6 streak winning so 1> pays $50, $100, 150, 200, 250, 300 paying you $800 in profit from your $25.00 original bet minus $125.00 for player insurance. still giving you a very nice profit.
Here is an old video I put together back in 2013
Great video if you are guaranteed a long player or banker streak of 9 or more in every shoe......but this happens maybe once every 8 or 9 or 10 shoes.......and you will be whipsawed to death in the other losing shoes where you only get a run of 3 or 4 or maybe 5 at most.
If you were guaranteed a run of 8 or 9 in a row for every baccarat shoe or roulette run, there wouldn't be baccarat or roulette tables in the casino.......instead there would be slot machines.
Imo and experience, huge downsides that will drain any common buy in and bankrolls waiting for the pre selected criteria to happen.
To actually make a profit it doesn't matter if it's ones or one two threes or three two ones or streaks of 6 or 9 or 10 or 15 times repeating at some point you're going to have to take away or add to either side if you're betting both sides in order to make money. Simple, or one cannot turn a profit and start making money.
You can only win what you lose on the opposite side if the fortune 7 doesn't hit of course, messing up your theory. But like I said, you can only win what you lose on the other side if you do not lessen the side that doesn't win or increase the side that wins, there is no other way to make money.
You can only help to partially insure your original bet, but then again your grinding down very small units that will eventually haunt you most likely.
We have tried numerous variations of this for many years the only thing that works or let me rephrase that, helps keep the player under control is to wager something on the opposite side to help ensure a lesser loss or if it's even money, it will help you stay in the game if you want to bet every hand and then pull off of one side, when something strong comes no matter if its 15 times Chop Chop or if it's a 10 to 15 run Banker or Player and then pull down the opposite side. That is the only way in my experience of 35 plus years of playing but of course I could be totally wrong.
Quote from: Jimske on April 14, 2018, 08:08:17 PM
This looks a lot like (or exactly like) "Pairs" by I forget who. You can bet the sleeping pair OR the dominant pair OR the pair that looks llike it is catching up.
The pairs thing is from the baccarats code. Good to se the Jimske makin a come back, hey hey.
Quote from: 8OR9 on April 15, 2018, 07:07:29 PM
Great video if you are guaranteed a long player or banker streak of 9 or more in every shoe......but this happens maybe once every 8 or 9 or 10 shoes.......and you will be whipsawed to death in the other losing shoes where you only get a run of 3 or 4 or maybe 5 at most.
If you were guaranteed a run of 8 or 9 in a row for every baccarat shoe or roulette run, there wouldn't be baccarat or roulette tables in the casino.......instead there would be slot machines.
You are correct in saying that. Lucky if there is even 1 in 50 shoes that will get a 10+ run... I try to catch about 5 tables that have runs of 5. this will give me a $200 profit pretty easy and can make $1000/day
There are a ton of losing tables that start of with no streaks or trends giving you quite a loss from the start. It's best to limit yourself to around 20 hands per table so you don't fall under the baccarat trap.
Since 2017 I've incorporated a 3 strike to the betting and have been doing pretty well in catching runs of 8 or more and not damaginng my bank roll.
I guess you need a casino where you have many tables so you can jump around different tables, assuming there are seats open at those tables........unless they allow you to "play behind" ....which I think you can do at macau.