Hi Everyone
As most of you will know, I have been monitoring the performance of johnlegend and his 'winning' play, well, I wasn't sure if I should create this thread or not but here goes.
As you know, last year I gave him the use of my BetVoyager account, I deposited money for him so he had zero risk, he started good (as most methods do) then failed at BV, his reason was he was getting bored playing for low stakes and would rather play at PaddyPower on their real tables as that's the only live casino he 'trusts'.
So I created an account at PP, transfered the balance over and added some money, from him, to make the account into £200 playing bank. For the first month it was slow going, not sure what size bets he was placing but I think he went up to about £220.
He asked me not to post any progress until he contacts me, fair enough I thought, until he never contacted me for a month, so last week I decided to log in and check his progress or as it appeared lack of it. I sent him a PM and an email asking hime what's happening, I have had no reply hence this thread.
The balance is £185, I just checked it this morning, it was £185 last week too.
As you all know I was promised mega riches, don't worry I wasn't expecting it to materialise as this is roulette we are talking about, so as he hasn't bothered to reply to my PM nor my email I have changed the PaddyPower password to see if I can force a response from him, no response I keep the £185.
I also note, he has not been active here for a while, maybe he has personal issues to attend to, I would like to know where he is and what went wrong.
Am I being too harsh changing the password?
Superman
No, you are not. Had you taken the money out, well..........
I, too, have wondered about John.
Speaking only for Sam: Sometimes I get absolutely sick at heart. I work me ar$e off to try to make the plane fly and the darn thing won't get off the runway. So maybe he's there, too.
If he'd said he was going to make you each 50 Euro a month, I'd had much more faith in him.
Sam
Hi Superman,
He's probably busy or ill, having a rest or holiday, planning his attack or something.
He did post a day or two ago on Feb 19 in VLS 'scam' thread so he's obviously still around...
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QuoteHe did post a day or two ago on Feb 19 in VLS 'scam' thread so he's obviously still around
I missed that, so have just checked his profile
QuoteLast Active: Today at 07:58:31 AM
Let's wait and see if he responds to this thread then.
Superman that was very kind of you letting him play with your money ...
I would never do it ...
Cheers
He has a downdrawn, and may sitting at the drawingboard, trying to do something about it. He will not give it up, let him after contacting you Superman go on and try to proof his claims.
All those Jl- challenges last too long for now that even biggest optimists and ignorants of roulette should figure out what is here about :zzz:
Like ignatus, he is probably off on his next quest. And remember, the SPERAMUS test goes on. It has not lost.
It is not valid test
I gave bow to your altruism and optimism mr. Sam, but in this roulette and all gambling world in general that values a bit different
Best
Drazen
OK looks like starting this thread has woken JL, he just PM'd me so I have given him the new password and asked him to post here as in his PM he said he hit a bad run which apparently took almost £100 as it's currently £185 and in the PM he told me he was near £300 I wish I had logged in and seen the balance before the bang.
Hopefully he will tell us/you exactly what went wrong, which method lost and how he intends to recover.
" which method lost" There's the rub.
In my opinion, a test should be of only one system or else you are also testing the player's ability to sense a bad tram and switch systems. This is a purely subjective quality in a human and may not be duplicated easily.
Drazen's statement notwithstanding, I feel the SPERAMUS test is valid because it uses only one method as outlined in the MST. And it requires no objective decisions.
It is difficult to stay with a system day after day when wins are tiny. I could never bet the way the ExcelBot or Ralph's BV Bot does. Who could sit for 4,000 spins?
His method should be botted!!
Sam
QuoteHis method should be botted!!
They all have Sam, they all lose and don't recover. He doesn't dispute this BUT we can't seem to agree on the Hit N Run factor he deploys, no firm times or durations.
Let's see what he says before we start the inquest.
Superman
Do you believe in the supernatural? Like premonition or intuition?
It could be John has a sixth or seventh sense as to when is a good time to play. Naturally, this could not be botted.
Sam
QuoteIt could be John has a sixth or seventh sense as to when is a good time to play
He might have in the past but now that he just lost 33% of a bank it just looks to me like he hit what everyone was saying he would eventually, you can't dodge all the bullets with hit n hope, and if one bullet takes 33% of your total bank then the losses are a huge as he was told, in essence the one bad run took almost £115, £100 he had won and another £15 from his starting bank. So as has been discussed over and over, his given it all back in one shout AND some of his own bank.
Well, it's just the nature of the beast.
It would be nice to get 4/5 bankrolls ahead and take a loss on the chin.
Luckily the loss never came at the beginning and wiped most of the bankroll out!
I wouldn't give up on the guy just yet. One thing that strikes me about JL is that he does seem to have the discipline and patience required to grind out a profit if there is one to be had.
Don't cancel the yacht! :thumbsup:
4.5 months to go. Then we all will know.
Quote from: Bally6354 on February 21, 2013, 05:12:04 PM
Well, it's just the nature of the beast.
It would be nice to get 4/5 bankrolls ahead and take a loss on the chin.
Luckily the loss never came at the beginning and wiped most of the bankroll out!
I wouldn't give up on the guy just yet. One thing that strikes me about JL is that he does seem to have the discipline and patience required to grind out a profit if there is one to be had.
Don't cancel the yacht! :thumbsup:
Thankyou Bally, correct analysis. I lost a game of CODE 4 horizontal and a few games of divide and conquer on top of eachother. I had to travel which hasnt allowed me to address the setback properly yet. Be sure I will be on it seriously next week.
I told Superman first update April 19th for a reason. £200 leaves the door of vunerability open. If I started the challenge with £1000. It would be too easy. Stay positive. I am...
I think that reality set in and its the time to admit it. it may be be painful for followers but the issue has to be addressed. Unfortunately no ready-made formula & plug-in n play method.
First i would like to state that there is many other ways that is much smarter then JL method's - so why would some one continue with this challenge.
I don't see that JL is even close to be a smart gambler or trying to become professional.
It is just that his method's is the issue, they are sloppy and fuzzy with very little math and probability behind them.
All i seen and read about JL is nonsens based upon my opinion.
I just can't see why one would put effort and time into this topic or challenge.
I can only repeat: let's just wait until July.
That's the date JL has set for Revelation.
After February 7th he only posted twice. I predicted he
would disappear. Maybe he's in the Bat Cave putting
the finishing touches on his roulette masterpiece.
God speed, John Legend!
OK people, you can now officially call the JL methods/challenge finished, I just logged into paddy power and the balance was a measley £11.50 so I withdrew it for my troubles.
End of an era, he lost the lot, simples
Very disappointing and sad to hear that news, Superman....
He hold it longer than I expected. I got it as he bet 2/3, and it works as long you not fell back a bit, heavy to recover. I am not very surprised.
I know, I have had methods working for month, and still can lose more than it wins.
I think JL will come back with same or higher claims of how he beat the game after some time, It is done for years, the archives on the net is full of it.
Wish him good luck!
QuoteVery disappointing and sad to hear that news
Not really, he was always in denial
QuoteI think JL will come back with same or higher claims of how he beat the game after some time
Maybe Ralph, but now we know he's not to be believed, credibility has gone for his methods, mainly hit n
hope run
Have you also noticed how his followers also went quiet when he did?
Sounds like old times!
John is ok in my book, he has a very innovative take on the game............but sad news on the challenge and the loss Neal.
It sounds like he rushed into it maybe, and the timing wasn't right..........that or PP not so trusted eh?!
John will return with something new for you/us all to chew over.
[revealB]Next![/revealB]
I'm not really surprised to be honest. I just couldn't see where the edge lay.
I tried JL's methods from time to time always with no success. When it went wrong I was told I was doing something wrong so I gave up.
He'll be back to claim 16 years of winning (Fender100 days). If that's the truth he should use his exceptional luck in some better cause.
Trebor
Quote from: Drazen on March 05, 2013, 01:26:04 PM
The master has failed like a :-X
God give me strenght to overcome this. I just don't know how that will be possible for me.. :'(
I lost a bank of 200 I've done this many times and come back. Because I ve had an overall bank many times bigger under me. I suffered most of the loss using Atlantis's CODE 4 H. I've asked Superman for another shot at the title where I play nothing but PATTERN BREAKER. And forfeit £300 to him if I fall below £100 at any point.
Pattern breaker remains my strongest method. Id like a shot at showing what it can do on its own. Its Supermans call. I continue to win well with it.
Yeah John, whatever..
But when will you stop indoctrinate some people with BS and give real proof of anything you claim... In how many public challenges you have miserably failed by now? This or that.. You always find some stu*pd reason
Now you lost and seek new opportunity which will take by end of year at least... Nothing else but buying time for fool around longer..
You should learn more about the game factualy, and not relying or talking some woodoo stupidities somehow from "experience" or whatever
No single person has seen or can replicate your results, factualy provable anyhow, despite your efforts few times at different trials. C mon.. :yuck:
Quote from: Drazen on March 05, 2013, 02:27:01 PM
Yeah John, whatever..
But when will you stop indoctrinate some people with BS and give real proof of anything you claim... In how many public challenges you have miserably failed by now? This or that.. You always find some stu*pd reason
Now you lost and seek new opportunity which will take by end of year at least... Nothing else but buying time for fool around longer..
You should learn more about the game factualy, and not relying or talking some woodoo stupidities somehow from "experience" or whatever
No single person has seen or can replicate your results, factualy provable anyhow, despite your efforts few times at different trials. C mon.. :yuck:
Im not looking for an argument Drazen. Has Subby gone bankrupt playing PB?.And he is using no money management.
I've done few trials. You can lose 200 units quite easily that doesn't mean you can't win. I don't need a year. 2 months will show favourable results. To my original timeline of July 19th. Will do fine. I was doing okay with CODE 4 H to start with but it didn't hold up. I peaked at 279. Then the losses came.
Pattern breaker is a constant. I want to show that.
I see no problem that anybody can lose 200 Euro, In fact all who gambling do it. The problem is then the player do not know the risk of it before it happens. We can win and we can lose. We can be lucky for long. I do have doubts it is possible to win any but small using 2 doz bet. I lost 40 Euro this morning, on straight ups .I have just catch up 41.80, so the net is not even 2 Euro in 1000 of spins. I run a play risking 100 Euro, pocket the plus, and busted with 60 in pocket. I recovered using SMALLER bets on reversed martingale on red and black, FTL.
If we think we will never lose a session, or sometimes not get burn, we should may be consider an other game.
Quote from: Ralph on March 05, 2013, 03:19:37 PM
I see no problem that anybody can lose 200 Euro, In fact all who gambling do it. The problem is then the player do not know the risk of it before it happens. We can win and we can lose. We can be lucky for long. I do have doubts it is possible to win any but small using 2 doz bet. I lost 40 Euro this morning, on straight ups .I have just catch up 41.80, so the net is not even 2 Euro in 1000 of spins. I run a play risking 100 Euro, pocket the plus, and busted with 60 in pocket. I recovered using SMALLER bets on reversed martingale on red and black, FTL.
If we think we will never lose a session, or sometimes not get burn, we should may be consider an other game.
If every gambler were to give up, quit after losing 200 or so units. There would be no one playing this game. I lost the first round. Im not a quitter. I put my hand up. But I am prepared to have one final shot using the method that has served me well for 4.5 years. If I fail with PB on its own I have no excuses.
Its my method, and its down to me to show it works solidly. I still have time to make good. I set July 19th as the date. After that time If I haven't at least quadruppled the Bankroll I have nothing more to say.
Hi JL,
Sorry to hear of your loss experience with the CODE4-H.
I do not play this method any more neither can I recommend it as a system to absolutely 100% pin your faith in. That's why I tried to keep the units down to the minimum as possible to offset any eventual progression bust... Also, sessions can be very lengthy and with few qualifiers... To be honest I strongly feel that your ZONE or CROSSPLAY methodology would pay more dividends especially with the wonderful GLAT (GLC/Atlantis) single doz/col progression I referred you to...
I've tried said money management with a few good dozen systems on the other forum (such as buffalowizards "dozen warfare" and also "harvesting the twelves") and it suits and performs well - certainly better than CODE4-H at any rate...
With GLAT I just don't see any reason or need to go back to the slightly riskier code4-h way.
Cheers,
A.
Quote from: Marshall Bing Bell on March 05, 2013, 09:26:05 PM
Wasn't this challenge playing pennies or nickels?
If pennies then the loss is 20,000 units and if nickels then the loss is 2000 units, not 200.
That also strike my mind ... so what is it ?
John Legend, my opinion is that you would take the next step reformulating your ways of attacking the game. By now it is obvious something is not working well, i mean you lost every public challenge until today, other than your closed results.
So, in the sake of evolving upwards, study a bit more on the game, and come up with something slightly better or safer. Don't get me wrong, your persistence can turn into something more than entertainment.
Cheers ;)
[mod] At least JL had a try -- publicly. Takes courage to do that.
And that's more than most of us do.So how about showing a bit more kindness?
Some of the posts in this thread are verging on downright unkind, cruel and uncharitable.
Those posters should be ashamed of themselves.
A pack-animal mentality of tearing a fellow human to pieces because they lost some money for goodness' sake has no place on this forum.
So what he was doing failed this time around. Big deal. We've all failed at something in our lives.
Nobody is compelled to copy what he does.
We should all wait until JL's promised announcement in July.
Meanwhile, those that want to argue and continue go and take another look at the rules.
Let's ALL try to work within the spirit that is behind them... [/mod]
The Comment (rather than a warning) is a timely reminder of what's expected here, and what's unacceptable. Hopefully it will also nip some buds before they burst into print.
JL
You and all, sorry for any inconvenience. It won't happen.
Reposition yourself, use only best you have and know and finish what you have started. :nod:
People in the arena expect unforgettable fight. For some tickets werent cheap at all as you know... I truly hope you won't dissapoint them.
If I can be of any kind of help you can ask me.
I truly regret for loss you encountered.. The better days must be ahead of you, I am sure! :)
When roulette brings you lemons sometimes it is not bad idea to make lemonade, right? :P
Good luck and all the best in any challenges ahead
>:D -----> O:-)
Quote from: Marshall Bing Bell on March 05, 2013, 11:34:39 PM
@ Superman,
What was the base unit size for this challenge?
JL was playing at Paddy Power where the min. stake for an EC is £1, not sure what it is for dozens, but my guess is that he was seriously underfunded. If you're using a progression of the type JL uses, you need at least a 1000 units IMHO.
Totally agree with Bayes comment..........to be playing at single unit level, then u need a factor of at least 1000/u to give decent BR
So, for penny machines (0.01) - that's £$E100.00 , but if the base bet size is 1.00 u need a good deal more to cope with progression.
The payback on EC is so low..........your always rescuing the progression
Im now wondering if Johns idea on Matrix can be applied to Streets or even Lines?? hmmm :whistle:
[revealB] Making random repeat sequences ....
An EC has only a movement of one...there are only two options in a EC outcome.
A Street event has 12 outcomes And a Line has 6 outcomes.
Maybe random could be tamed here? [/revealB]
@ Danny, see Bayes post
@ Esitio, apart from Drazen I don't see any real issues, the main issue for most members is the fact that JL has been posting results for the past year or so, those results are NO reflection on the challenge results, so the big question is, how come when nobody is monitoring him he has unbelievable results but the challenge results are terrible to date.
@ Chrisbis,
QuoteMaking random repeat sequences ....
An EC has only a movement of one...there are only two options in a EC outcome.
A Street event has 12 outcomes And a Line has 6 outcomes.
Maybe random could be tamed here?
All true, but the payout makes them all the same, none of JL's methods will work long term in any form as the next spin can go either way, you can't tame random as it's untouchable.
Anyone who thinks they can tame random is clearly dilusional, see Bayes signature, live with it.
EDIT: forgot to say, JL sent me a PM asking to continue the challenge with a fresh £300 I have agreed again, but this will be the last time as far as I am concerned, I have also told him to report to the forum frequently as he hasn't in the past, my arguement being the fact that he kept the loss quiet and only responded when I posted the bad news.
Guys
I've been pretty hard on Jl, but a fair-minded person would have to admit he puts his money at risk. You don't see that around here much.
Lanky told me years ago that until you begin to play with real money, you are not really studying the game. It's like learning to pole vault from a book or videos. Get a pole.
John reminds me of the guy in the Dostoevsky novel who--if he'd only stuck to his system--would have won. How many times have I said that to wifey?
Sam
Quote from: Bayes on March 06, 2013, 07:25:49 AM
JL was playing at Paddy Power where the min. stake for an EC is £1, not sure what it is for dozens, but my guess is that he was seriously underfunded. If you're using a progression of the type JL uses, you need at least a 1000 units IMHO.
I agree Bayes, I did a direct transfer from BV to paddy. It is possible to run PB on its own with 2--3 hundred units. But not methods that require three figures in progression.
that's why I will only be playing PB with a £300 start. If things go well I will bring in FIVE. But only when I reach. 1000. I will update fortnightly as agreed with Superman. And there will be no excuses from me in the rare event I don't succeed with PATTERN BREAKER.
I will accept it, and leave it up to Subby.
Quote from: Atlantis on March 05, 2013, 06:54:34 PM
Hi JL,
Sorry to hear of your loss experience with the CODE4-H.
I do not play this method any more neither can I recommend it as a system to absolutely 100% pin your faith in. That's why I tried to keep the units down to the minimum as possible to offset any eventual progression bust... Also, sessions can be very lengthy and with few qualifiers... To be honest I strongly feel that your ZONE or CROSSPLAY methodology would pay more dividends especially with the wonderful GLAT (GLC/Atlantis) single doz/col progression I referred you to...
I've tried said money management with a few good dozen systems on the other forum (such as buffalowizards "dozen warfare" and also "harvesting the twelves") and it suits and performs well - certainly better than CODE4-H at any rate...
With GLAT I just don't see any reason or need to go back to the slightly riskier code4-h way.
Cheers,
A.
Atlantis its fine. I favoured it over PATTERN BREAKER because it looked solid and had a faster turnover than PB. I also lost a fair bit with DIVIDE AND CONQUER. So it wasn't just CODE 4.
I neglected the method that has the best track record. And I didn't play FIVE at all. They are the two best methods I have. So they're the only two that will make or break me in this last assault.
I will have no excuses if I don't come good. I will see Superman gets 300 for his troubles and leave with my tail between my legs. On the positive side, I will succeed and make my goals. And show how good I know these two are.
When I first began the challenge. I started on Bayes RNG with 300 units. Went down to a low of 115. And ended up with 2000 plus.
I relied on two methods to get me there. PATTERN BREAKER AND FIVE. That's all there is for me now. I expect to duplicate that success at PADDY POWER. That's my 2 cents.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 06, 2013, 01:02:52 PM
Guys
I've been pretty hard on Jl, but a fair-minded person would have to admit he puts his money at risk. You don't see that around here much.
Lanky told me years ago that until you begin to play with real money, you are not really studying the game. It's like learning to pole vault from a book or videos. Get a pole.
John reminds me of the guy in the Dostoevsky novel who--if he'd only stuck to his system--would have won. How many times have I said that to wifey?
Sam
Thankyou Sam, yes stick to the one with the track record. Im not happy about blowing £200. But Im confident I will get it back then some. We don't quit that easy Sam. Where would we be in this world if we had/did?
Good luck in your new challenge John. :applause:
Quote from: Bally6354 on March 06, 2013, 02:34:27 PM
Good luck in your new challenge John. :applause:
Thanks Bally... :thumbsup:
Quote from: Chrisbis on March 06, 2013, 08:06:29 AM
Totally agree with Bayes comment..........to be playing at single unit level, then u need a factor of at least 1000/u to give decent BR
So, for penny machines (0.01) - that's £$E100.00 , but if the base bet size is 1.00 u need a good deal more to cope with progression.
The payback on EC is so low..........your always rescuing the progression
Im now wondering if Johns idea on Matrix can be applied to Streets or even Lines?? hmmm :whistle:
[revealB] Making random repeat sequences ....
An EC has only a movement of one...there are only two options in a EC outcome.
A Street event has 12 outcomes And a Line has 6 outcomes.
Maybe random could be tamed here? [/revealB]Right on the nail,Chrisbis,even though those math
philosophers will tell you it is the same thing.
Here we go again John......
Look forward to the new results.Any method using Vertical-Matrix is always worthwhile when coupled with Hit + Run.
All the best of luck with your REAL money.
Dino.
Quote from: Dino246 on March 06, 2013, 04:16:34 PM
Here we go again John......
Look forward to the new results.Any method using Vertical-Matrix is always worthwhile when coupled with Hit + Run.
All the best of luck with your REAL money.
Dino.
Yes Dino, thanks. Im staying with PATTERN BREAKER. And will only bring in FIVE once I hit 1000. This is it for me.
oke i will give you all something
I have a good friend who might be very lucky. but I saw he was a genius. and now I became his student.
He turned $ 1,000 become $ 250,000 in one year. He had stopped playing baccarat now and enjoy life with financial freedom.
He had hundreds of strategies and choosing random to be played in one day with a very small profit targets. He saw gambling such a heated iron. if you're too a long time at the gambling table then iron will melt and you will lose.
Yes, the hit n run strategy does work well if you have hundreds of strategy, or what you call the system, and choose random for a day and you'll see impressive results.
Do not forget to put main target such $ 100,000 or whatever you want as long as you can achieve. And then STOP!
Hit and Run will still work perfectly if you never come back.
now I'm at 70% of the main target
WISH ME LUCK! SEE YOU ON THE TOP!
Really interesting :)
Not trying to be a jerk, but what--exactly--did you give us?
Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 08, 2013, 12:38:28 AM
what--exactly--did you give us?
He brought
"system randomization" to the fore.
A valid technique as any other.
Math-wise the odds are set in stone, and every unit won is scheduled to be lost "somewhere in the future". Even if system randomization allows to give some players more time in between total wipe-out, it still can have merit. Who knows? maybe the player is smart and doesn't give it all back :)
The casino can't get back what you don't put into game. Now, what's the best method or combination of methods to maximize one's chances to make system randomization effective, at least at the beginning? That's undetermined. Each player has a different liking for their favorite methods, and it makes all the difference (...or perhaps the opposite, depending if you ask a mathematician or not).
I reckon this randomization way a "principle", not a fixed technique per se.
Quote from: Superman on March 06, 2013, 08:33:22 AM
EDIT: forgot to say, JL sent me a PM asking to continue the challenge with a fresh £300 I have agreed again, but this will be the last time as far as I am concerned, I have also told him to report to the forum frequently as he hasn't in the past, my arguement being the fact that he kept the loss quiet and only responded when I posted the bad news.
It's been more than two weeks. How's it going JL?
Trebor
I'm glad someone asked, well, I just logged in to check, he's made £10 in about 40+ days, I haven't been contacted or had any communication with him since the deposit was made so really have no idea what he's up to, maybe he will pop in here and tell everyone why it's going so slooooooooow
I don't doubt it.
I tried working with one of his systems and it is so slow and boring words fail me. If ever something needed to be tested with a bot, this is it.
TwoCat
QuoteIf ever something needed to be tested with a bot, this is it
They've all been botted Sam, they all fail that's why the challenge was created.
Let's not forget the track record, challenge at BV failed, 1st £200 challenge at PaddyPower failed, this is the 3rd and last challenge which started with a bank of £300
Superman
I play two methods with bots that are simply too slow for a human to endure.
I'm not saying the method wins or fails; I am saying I am too dang old and have too much to do to sit and wait for an hour to bet when a machine could do it for me.
A bot is much like a backhoe. It won't work by itself. And you can dig a pool with a shovel, but it's a lot faster with the backhoe.
The bot is a tool. That's all.
But, hey, you know that. What's wrong with me???
Sam
With $200 the basebet is 0.01? If you could win $10 a day with that is that good?
weddings
As far as I'm concerned, that would be good.
I just walked the dogs. The bot ran well over 1,000 spins while I was gone. I could not have done one bit better had I been sitting here during that time.
Sam
Some of us are still eagerly awaiting July 2013 when all will be revealed. Its only a couple months away..
If all of us were to play roulette at the same time, with our own methods for 6 months each day, I would put my money on JL : )
That being said, XXVV, Spike, Gizmotron and many other rouletters also win consistently.
Luv ya 2Cat!
Quote from: AMK on April 22, 2013, 09:09:18 PM
If all of us were to play roulette at the same time, with our own methods for 6 months each day, I would put my money on JL : )
That being said, XXVV, Spike, Gizmotron and many other rouletters also win consistently.
Luv ya 2Cat!
AMK how do you know XXVV, Spike, Giz and many others win consistently.
I mean this is internet and they can pretend be any one they like to be.
They can write what ever they like and you believe in all that.
I have never read any thing from XXVV, Spike or Giz that make them professionals.
I just see numbers and claims, nothing else.
No one of them have been productive sharing any kind of winning method.
Just empty words.
I am pretty sure that Spike can not flat betting with greater success then me or any other member of this forum.
Hello ego : )
I should have said "can win consistently".
Your right in saying that anybody can say what they like.
Roulette is still a gamble all around.
I have to make an educated guess as to which approaches are feasible.
Even if all lies.
I do believe that there are ways of playing that can see you prosper for decades, although each one of those methods will fail a 1 million spin test.
Quote from: Sputnik on April 23, 2013, 06:42:29 PM
I am pretty sure that Spike can not flat betting with greater success then me
'Pretty sure'? You need more confidence than that..
Spike
lets be honest here
you have never ever proved you have anything at all
other than opinions
Why should Spike spill tne beans ? Please state 3 good reasons.
ND
Quote from: NathanDetroit on April 23, 2013, 10:30:12 PM
Why should Spike spill tne beans ? Please state 3 good reasons.
ND
There's nothing to spill. You look for the best opportune moments and you take advantage of them. There is ample proof that opportunity exist. It's no mystery how to exploit it. It's also no mystery how to stay out of bad sections of any session. If you don't have firm answers to these methods then you do not have any position to pass judgment on anyone that claims them as basic skills.
Quote from: Gizmotron on April 23, 2013, 10:54:33 PM
You look for the best opportune moments and you take advantage of them. There is ample proof that opportunity exist. It's no mystery how to exploit it. It's also no mystery how to stay out of bad sections of any session.
I'll go along with this. We may all see opportunity a little differently...some in black or red and some on a few numbers or maybe even "a" number, and certainly a ton of option in-between...but the basis of Gizmo's statement here I believe is accurate.
My two cents anyway
Quote from: Superman on April 20, 2013, 06:31:39 PM
I'm glad someone asked, well, I just logged in to check, he's made £10 in about 40+ days, I haven't been contacted or had any communication with him since the deposit was made so really have no idea what he's up to, maybe he will pop in here and tell everyone why it's going so slooooooooow
Hi, I haven't had the oppurtunity to play much lately. Been moving house. And travelling alot. Let me put it to all of you like this.
Especially those that talk of slow and boring. If I make it to xmas and have only doubled the bankroll. Have I failed? Put £300 in the bank for a year and what will be your return? Not even 5% in todays market.
This is a longterm deal. And I mean longterm. I might take 3 years. To reach my goals. But I will reach them. The people without patience will sneer at that thought. But that's the name of the game. Anytime I haven't had patience I have failed. If you can even double your bankroll once a year truly. You have something.
And those who don't think that's something to be proud of should let this game go.
John
I didn't mean to offend. It's just that I have a very busy life. I won't go into it, but trust me on this one. I simply don't have the time to sit.
I have money in two accounts that I have NO time to play them. That is why I run robots. Two minutes to set them and then plant those flowers; mow that yard, clean this; clean that--work! work! work!
Lincoln freed what????
Sam
2Cat,
I think you will do very well if you make a Pattern Breaker bot which only plays after a loss, a few times per day.
Remember the double loss Pattern Breaker stats we discussed months ago : )
AMK
I will give that serious consideration.
Thanks.
Sam
Quote from: JohnLegend on April 25, 2013, 07:55:17 PM
This is a longterm deal. And I mean longterm. I might take 3 years.
What about July? Is something BIG still happening in
July like you said it would about 150 times? World
changing and all that? Or is it now 3 years from July.
This is exactly why I gave up on testing it. It really could take three years. If I'm alive then, I'll be 69. Darn near 70!! There are so many easier ways to lose money!
Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 26, 2013, 01:17:35 PM
John
I didn't mean to offend. It's just that I have a very busy life. I won't go into it, but trust me on this one. I simply don't have the time to sit.
I have money in two accounts that I have NO time to play them. That is why I run robots. Two minutes to set them and then plant those flowers; mow that yard, clean this; clean that--work! work! work!
Lincoln freed what????
Sam
Sam you haven't offended me. Im talking about what it will take for me to reach my ULTIMATE GOALS. I will have alot more time to throw at my own personal challenge over the next few months.
I can say you are right I do get ahead of myself. Talking of great fortune. Guilty as charged. But so long as im patient and loyal to PB. I will get there.
There is no surprise two steps forward. One step backwards. Im not a perfect betting machine. And anytime I've strayed from the path, I've got my a##e kicked.
I intend to stay firmly on that path from now on. The speed of results will impress no one. But the eventual realization that I was telling the truth about PB and the others. With cement in the most pessimistic and jaded of minds in the end.
OK with all the posts from PatternAnalys I have decided to close the challenge as the target was last set at Christmas AT THE EARLIEST, well, as we all know JL has lost a couple of hundred pounds already and the last £300 hasn't been improved by much, £11 currently, JL also seems to have lost interest in playing as he hasn't played ONE game in the last month, hence my decision to end the challenge today.
So, as JL promised me riches since last year (2012) and it hasn't happened, not that I ever thought it would NOR did I setup the challenge to reap the rewards as I didn't think there would be any, I setup the challenge purely to prove
A) the methods don't work
B) hit & run doesn't work
As this hasn't been proved either way I can't be @rsed going on anymore with it.
JL also promised I would get £200 NO MATTER what the outcome (please would anyone who has been following, confirm this was promised) JL stressed I shouldn't just take the £200 and run, I should hang on, and on, and on, and on (you get the picture) now it's until atleast Christmas, so I am out, the balance was £311 I have taken my £200 out and left £111 for him to play or lose as I am convinced he would lose the lot at some point and all this monitoring would be for nothing so that's it, I'm out.
Should JL continue with the money that's there and make his millions, I hereby denounce any claim on any of it, if it needs withdrawing it will go into my Skrill account and I will send it all to him, minus any admin fees if there are any. If he is saddened by my withdrawal from the challenge that's too bad, if he wants the remaining £111 he's welcome to it he must just ask for it. Or he could make his millions and prove me wrong.
Oh dear..........
I was looking forward to an End-of-Year report from John L this Summer, with a Totaliser update.
I have seen him logged in several times, but maybe his house move, and extended travelling,
has prevented him from concentrating on the Game/Task.
Anyway, he has the barcode (111) still to play with! :sing:
''JL also promised I would get £200 NO MATTER what the outcome (please would anyone who has been following, confirm this was promised)''
Hi Superman
Yes I can confirm that was promised to you
Xmas has come and gone we are nearly into June now so I can't say I blame you for not waiting any longer as he hasnt even bothered to play
Dave.
What about JULY? Legend/Fender is still shaking the
earth in JULY, right? I mean he only mentioned it a
couple HUNDRED times, surely he knew what he was
talking about. Right? RIGHT?
Yes, July it was. Either the 23 or 29th. I wrote it on my fat belly, but my wife made me shower.
Quote from: spike on April 28, 2013, 06:38:38 PM
What about July? Is something BIG still happening in
July like you said it would about 150 times? World
changing and all that? Or is it now 3 years from July.
It better still be happening. I booked all August off work so I could go make my forutune ;)