Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 06, 2013, 01:02:52 PM
Guys

I've been pretty hard on Jl, but a fair-minded person would have to admit he puts his money at risk.  You don't see that around here much.

Lanky told me years ago that until you begin to play with real money, you are not really studying the game.  It's like learning to pole vault from a book or videos.  Get a pole.

John reminds me of the guy in the Dostoevsky novel who--if he'd only stuck to his system--would have won.  How many times have I said that to wifey?

Sam

Thankyou Sam, yes stick to the one with the track record. Im not happy about blowing £200. But Im confident I will get it back then some. We don't quit that easy Sam. Where would we be in this world if we had/did?

Good luck in your new challenge John. 

Quote from: Bally6354 on March 06, 2013, 02:34:27 PM
Good luck in your new challenge John. 

Thanks Bally...

Quote from: Chrisbis on March 06, 2013, 08:06:29 AM
Totally agree with Bayes comment..........to be playing at single unit level, then u need a factor of at least 1000/u to give decent BR
So, for penny machines (0.01) - that's £$E100.00 , but if the base bet size is 1.00 u need a good deal more to cope with progression.


The payback on EC is so low..........your always rescuing the progression
Im now wondering if Johns idea on Matrix can be applied to Streets or even Lines?? hmmm 


[revealB] Making random repeat sequences ....
An EC has only a movement of one...there are only two options in a EC outcome.
A Street event has 12 outcomes And a Line has 6 outcomes.
Maybe random could be tamed here? [/revealB]Right on the nail,Chrisbis,even though those math
philosophers will tell you it is the same thing.

Here we go again John......

Look forward to the new results.Any method using Vertical-Matrix is always worthwhile when coupled with Hit + Run.

All the best of luck with your REAL money.

Dino.

Quote from: Dino246 on March 06, 2013, 04:16:34 PM
Here we go again John......

Look forward to the new results.Any method using Vertical-Matrix is always worthwhile when coupled with Hit + Run.

All the best of luck with your REAL money.

Dino.

Yes Dino, thanks. Im staying with PATTERN BREAKER. And will only bring in FIVE once I hit 1000. This is it for me.

oke i will give you all something


I have a good friend who might be very lucky. but I saw he was a genius. and now I became his student.
He turned $ 1,000 become $ 250,000 in one year. He had stopped playing baccarat now and enjoy life with financial freedom.


He had hundreds of strategies and choosing random to be played in one day with a very small profit targets. He saw gambling such a heated iron. if you're too a long time at the gambling table then iron will melt and you will lose.


Yes, the hit n run strategy does work well if you have hundreds of strategy, or what you call the system, and choose random for a day and you'll see impressive results.
Do not forget to put main target such $ 100,000 or whatever you want as long as you can achieve. And then STOP!


Hit and Run will still work perfectly if you never come back.
now I'm at 70% of the main target
WISH ME LUCK! SEE YOU ON THE TOP!

Really interesting  

Not trying to be a jerk, but what--exactly--did you give us?

Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 08, 2013, 12:38:28 AM
what--exactly--did you give us?

He brought "system randomization" to the fore.

A valid technique as any other.

Math-wise the odds are set in stone, and every unit won is scheduled to be lost "somewhere in the future". Even if system randomization allows to give some players more time in between total wipe-out, it still can have merit. Who knows? maybe the player is smart and doesn't give it all back

The casino can't get back what you don't put into game. Now, what's the best method or combination of methods to maximize one's chances to make system randomization effective, at least at the beginning? That's undetermined. Each player has a different liking for their favorite methods, and it makes all the difference (...or perhaps the opposite, depending if you ask a mathematician or not).

I reckon this randomization way a "principle", not a fixed technique per se.

Quote from: Superman on March 06, 2013, 08:33:22 AM
EDIT: forgot to say, JL sent me a PM asking to continue the challenge with a fresh £300 I have agreed again, but this will be the last time as far as I am concerned, I have also told him to report to the forum frequently as he hasn't in the past, my arguement being the fact that he kept the loss quiet and only responded when I posted the bad news.

It's been more than two weeks. How's it going JL?


Trebor

I'm glad someone asked, well, I just logged in to check, he's made £10 in about 40+ days, I haven't been contacted or had any communication with him since the deposit was made so really have no idea what he's up to, maybe he will pop in here and tell everyone why it's going so slooooooooow

I don't doubt it.

I tried working with one of his systems and it is so slow and boring words fail me.  If ever something needed to be tested with a bot, this is it.

TwoCat

QuoteIf ever something needed to be tested with a bot, this is it

They've all been botted Sam, they all fail that's why the challenge was created.

Let's not forget the track record, challenge at BV failed, 1st £200 challenge at PaddyPower failed, this is the 3rd and last challenge which started with a bank of £300

Superman

I play two methods with bots that are simply too slow for a human to endure.

I'm not saying the method wins or fails; I am saying I am too dang old and have too much to do to sit and wait for an hour to bet when a machine could do it for me.

A bot is much like a backhoe.  It won't work by itself.  And you can dig a pool with a shovel, but it's a lot faster with the backhoe.

The bot is a tool.  That's all.

But, hey, you know that.  What's wrong with me???

Sam