As title says: topic starters are moderators of their own topics now 

With everyone being a "Topic moderator" taking care of their own started threads, the work of Global Moderators should be easier from now on.

Exactly. Now I can stop distractions from a serious debate started by me.

And see just one post in a section by the moderator, there will be no diff.  Hopefully the posts increase!!


Where is the spell checker, a spellchecker makes many good posts, the world speak english more or less, and a lot posts will not be here as they are badly jugded because of  "poor" language, we must live whith some problem, use English, even of most can do better with a native, but it is the Babylon split in work

Frankly, I think it's wrong.  But if we're going to do it I think the post owner should give fair waring at the start.  Who in the hell wants to spend thirty minutes with and well-thought-out point of view and see it trash caned?  Not me.

As long as I am moderator and someone asks me to, I will try to dig their deleted post out of the trash and post it to a new thread where it can't be deleted.

This old stuff about, "If you don't agree with me, stay off my thread." is totally against the learning process.  How do you learn from a bunch of people who are all in agreement?  What if they agreed the world was flat?  That man could not fly to parts unknown?  That if you die, there's no way I could have your heart tomorrow?

People who disagree--who stir the pot--are the ones who cause someone else to say..."Wait a minute!!  He may have a point.  If we form iron into this shape, it might well float!!"

Albahala

Your attitude sucks!!  If I were a deleter, you'd have darn few posts on this forum.   But I believe you should have your say.  If you want to be a jerk, have at it.  Others may not be so forgiving and you may not be heard of much in the future.  And that's the pretty side of the pancake.

Sam

I can see both sides to this argument.

We have had some good contributors down the years like Winkel and Mr Chips who might still be around contributing if some of the 'usual suspects' did not start giving them a bit of grief. Then I also appreciate everyone is entitled to their opinion and disagreeing with someone is not a crime. I think we can all spot when someone is just plain trolling and just out to get a negative reaction.

I like the idea of 'troll free' posts 

Yet, at the same time, not discouraging free speech just for the sake of it. There is a fine line I suppose and let's hope it is used wisely.

Quote from: Bally6354 on November 21, 2012, 03:35:42 PM
I like the idea of 'troll free' posts 

I'm still not done with this.............................

There was a movement to ban Fox News as they told the truth on Obama.  Soon, other networks HAD to tell the truth as the people knew the truth and wondered why NBC did not speak of it. 

Now, here, some unintelligent can post a totally misleading theory--totally wrong--and the first person who points it out is gone!  I agree that just plain stuff has no place on the forum, but dissenting views do.

Flat wanted me to delete a post by Ralph when Ralph spoke the truth.  Someone called him a hothead, which he can be.  He even alluded to shooting people who disagree with him.  Flat did not ask me to delete his own posts!!

I feel if a thread owner wants a post deleted badly enough, he should take it to a mod.  If the mod disagrees, it stays.  He can shop for another mod.  If that mod agrees, it's gone.  Now, the mods may have to vote!!  Hey, that's democracy at work.

The first swingin' dick who deletes one of my post will incur some wrath--I guarantee you that!

Sam

Should we be having a poll on this?

Of course another option in some cases is to start a thread and then lock it. That leaves whatever pertinent information is in there not to get lost between loads of 'thank you' and 'where are the instructions'. A separate thread could be started for all that. There is nothing worse than reading through a 15 page thread and you still don't understand what's going on.

We must balance "free speech" vs "free trolling".

In my view, there is free speech as long as anyone retains the ability to start their own thread and express his/her opinions freely.

As to the removed posts, I can arrange the forums' recycle bin to show each user his own removed posts, in order to being able to recover and reposting them when considered to exercise his right.

Something I'm certain about is we don't want "free trolling".

Basically my thought is: while you are allowed to say basically anything about a man or his ideas, you aren't allowed to go into his house and invoke he MUST have to retreat to let you in and cope with you and your views in his living room.

He (the owner) should retain the right to keep you away.

Geez, I thanked buffalowizard this morning!!  I try to be a polite person.  Someone does me a nice, I want to thank them!  Frankly, I don't know how to get around that.

The "where are the instructions" are there because of the darn "tweaking" and "morphing" of a system.  And every swingin' dick that comes along thinks the can better state the rules than the author! 

PEOPLE........we are dealing with people with all their foils and foibles.  You ain't gonna edit that out!!

Mean comments and the like should go, but a mod should do it.  What he H is a mod for if every swingin' dick on the forum is a mod?

If folks are too lazy to sift through the chaff to get to the wheat, they will be too lazy to work the idea anyway.  I spent hours reading through Jl's stuff, with all the negative comments and the rest of it.

Maybe that little discussion I had with Flat should have been deleted.  Then only soggett would have understood it.  As it is--because of soggett--not Flat, everyone understands it.

Lastly, Flat took the Lord's name in vain---JESUS!------and I don't like that one bit.  But I would not delete it.  Jesus can handle his own affairs just fine!

Hoooooboy....

I'm a little hot.  Might oughta delete this post!!



TwoCatSam
(with dos perros!)

Quote from: TwoCatSam on November 21, 2012, 03:26:35 PM
Frankly, I think it's wrong.  But if we're going to do it I think the post owner should give fair waring at the start.  Who in the hell wants to spend thirty minutes with and well-thought-out point of view and see it trash caned?  Not me.

As long as I am moderator and someone asks me to, I will try to dig their deleted post out of the trash and post it to a new thread where it can't be deleted.

This old stuff about, "If you don't agree with me, stay off my thread." is totally against the learning process.  How do you learn from a bunch of people who are all in agreement?  What if they agreed the world was flat?  That man could not fly to parts unknown?  That if you die, there's no way I could have your heart tomorrow?

People who disagree--who stir the pot--are the ones who cause someone else to say..."Wait a minute!!  He may have a point.  If we form iron into this shape, it might well float!!"

Albahala

Your attitude sucks!!  If I were a deleter, you'd have darn few posts on this forum.   But I believe you should have your say.  If you want to be a jerk, have at it.  Others may not be so forgiving and you may not be heard of much in the future.  And that's the pretty side of the pancake.

Sam

Sam,


I am with you on this, I had a debate going on a thread yesterday, it must have been over 12 posts, with his responses, and he has removed all of them before anyone else could see them and comment if they wished to, what ever happened to free speech, so what we have now is the situation if someone dose not like what you post, they will just remove them, oh sorry tidy up the thread!


If I start a thread and people comment on it, I always leave comments on good or bad, positive or negative, I think people should see the whole picture, and not the thread creators edited view!


This is just a form of censorship,  only say nice things or I will delete you!


I agree %100 with you Sam this is stuff!

maybe instead of full moderation control give topic starters new option like:
"Mark as Offtopic" or something similar.

Then selected post would be automatically edited to fit into some sort of folding function
like [reveal][/reveal] from rouletteforum[dot]com.

This way topic starters could "CLEAN" their topics while maintaining full transparency off the forum.

Quote from: Ophis on November 21, 2012, 04:32:00 PM
"Mark as Offtopic"

Interesting idea.

Youtube and other sites have this functionality, where they leave it up to the reader to choose whether to see marked posts or not.