All,
Hmm, I didn't realize I could start a new thread in this area, so instead of posting up in the "General" area, I'll use this one.
As several of you have Stephen's book and are testing his play, you can use this area to post up your worksheets showing the ongoing development of what originally started out as a mere OPP play.
Stephen has the option to remove this from his area if he wishes but for those of you who are working this play, here's my first post on the subject.
These are the three "fake" shoes that Alrelax posted up a few days ago. If you haven't tested your play on those, you are falling behind.
If our results vary in the extreme, then some of us are not on the same page. So run those sheets and see what you come up with.
There are three different plays being run on each sheet. Zip/F12 and TUBS and of course VDW.
AD
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I've received the following from a member via email:
"1. How many decks in these three shoes? the results are, 74, 74, 73 these can't be 6 deck, too many and no ties.
2. 1st shoe, only two runs of zigzags, run of those being 4x and 7x / 2nd shoe only three runs of ZZ, 3x 6x 4x / 3rd shoe only two runs of ZZ, 3x 4x / so in all 222 results the total number of zigzag runs, i.e. 3 or more = 31
Stephen this looks unusual. I mean if true these have to be the worst kind of shoe results that do not show your system in a good light. Also note too how there are few runs of Bank and or Player on all thee shoes and how there are no long runs of either Bank or Player. Also note how the structure of each shoe are similar to each other as if someone had sat down and written them! Please post this."
I'm going to write out the results in board order to see what they look like.
Quote from: ADulay on June 24, 2017, 02:35:40 PM
All,
Hmm, I didn't realize I could start a new thread in this area, so instead of posting up in the "General" area, I'll use this one.
As several of you have Stephen's book and are testing his play, you can use this area to post up your worksheets showing the ongoing development of what originally started out as a mere OPP play.
Stephen has the option to remove this from his area if he wishes but for those of you who are working this play, here's my first post on the subject.
These are the three "fake" shoes that Alrelax posted up a few days ago. If you haven't tested your play on those, you are falling behind.
If our results vary in the extreme, then some of us are not on the same page. So run those sheets and see what you come up with.
There are three different plays being run on each sheet. Zip/F12 and TUBS and of course VDW.
AD
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-7XxwKg2/0/ac9fb5f8/O/i-7XxwKg2.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-hW8XHJK/0/c75984e0/O/i-hW8XHJK.jpg)
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-mmLf62t/0/82288f66/O/i-mmLf62t.jpg)
the results of zigzag runs are even worse when i applied TUBS it = just 22x in 222x results over three shoes.shoes 2, and 3, have similar number of P/B, for instance, shoe 2, = 36x Players, and shoe 3, has= 35x Players. It is true that in all three shoes there are no more than a run of 7x runs be that Player or Banker have, zigzag biggest run is x6 there are no, 8,9,10 runs etc. Whilst not impossible I have to consider all aspects of posts on this forum regarding fake shoes that other members have stated I will have have to investigate further (yet some posts have been deleted) and consider all elements. They do seem rather strange. As I wrote in another post, the best way forward is for individuals to check their own results with results of shoes they have taken themselves otherwise we cannot be sure if any results are real or not.
Have looked again at the stats, there are 103x combined runs of THREE or more player and banker runs, 1st shoe, = 30x, 2nd shoe = 37x, 3rd shoe = 36x, this 103x combined runs verses only 22x zigzag runs. = approx divide 103 by 22 = 4.6. 103 subtract 22 = 81 more P/B runs / zigzag has the same probability chance as P or B runs but over 222 results in these three shoes it is way way lower. And the order to these shoe results do seem to counter the TUBS system. Personally with all the information I have, and my experience in playing TUBS over many shoes and having checked over many thousands of shoes I have never seen this in 3 shoes, just out of the blue. Sure there are bad shoes but I really have to reserve judgement when on the one hand in one respect I had been warned of and where there might be some malice. Three bad shoes out of the blue, no good shoes even...emm...
Stephen i would suggest a tweak or improvement of TUBS based upon observation i made testing 200 samples with your strategy and you can clearly see the same with Adulay's shoes above.
We call them "REVERSALS" first shoe has hit zero ground five times in a row, no one should lose with a shoe that break even five times during the game play. Same with the second shoe with five reversals or zero ground (back to back results), no one should lose that kind of shoe and the last one has eight reversals.
This means during the game when you attack to reach the win goal you know that there will be certain amount of reversals. Some has past you during the game and some are waiting in the future.
So if you like this idea i will help you to define the average amount of reversals you can expect during 60/80 hands playing your method.
Then you could make additional rule that is much better the limit the loss limit to -3 units that give no room for error or gambling ability to reach the win target (my opinion).
I see it like this, you create some degree of expectation within when you have to reach your win target before is to late and be saved by one reversal.
If some one does not like to do there home work they can just implement the rule after playing half the shoe and hope for the best to hit a reversal or loss limit.
Cheers
When you get approx 3.6 (sets of 22x) more P/B runs more than zigzag runs over three shoes that someone posts (=81x more!) you first need to 'ask questions' before making further tweaks. The game play and added tweaks are strong enough. These shoes...are very questionable. The knives were out to get me, (as advised by some members) I know that, at the time these were posted, therefore I really cannot accept them as stand alone. The fact that there were no good shoes that showed TUBS in a good light posted means that no one reader can take these 3 shoes as gospel.
Again I write, individuals should take down their own results and apply them. To merely reply on other persons shoe results is meaningless. No one serious about winning would judge a strategy based on what others claim. S/he must check a strategy against results s/he knows to be true. Otherwise what you'll find on here is 'bear baiting' against me. Though I might be a bear, in defending my strategy I'm certainly not a chained one, to accept claims. I'm a free thinker and therefore am not bound to masters who mistreat in order to satisfy themselves and or the crowd, you readers.
Over the space of a few days, 18th -21st June 2017, the mob (double faced) in order to try and discredit my strategy went onto Amazon and left negative reviews (not a good word to say about it! That I think says more about themselves). The mob clearly planned this and did so to protect their friend's $1,000 workshop in Vegas as other members had advised me about what is going on (then the mob leader takes them to casinos to lose: and he get commission from their loses).
And then you get these doggy shoe results to try and put others off from looking into my strategy! :applause: these people will do/say anything to protect their mob leader. My guess is that they don't even gamble, they don't bet on baccarat for real but just pretend to. Readers should make up their own minds. As of today my book is still #1 on baccarat on Amazon. (currently on sale: click on the link below) 2.1 will be out soon, followed by 3.0 which everyone is waiting for.
Quote from: Stephen Tabone on June 24, 2017, 03:00:41 PM
I've received the following from a member via email:
"1. How many decks in these three shoes? the results are, 74, 74, 73 these can't be 6 deck, too many and no ties.
2. 1st shoe, only two runs of zigzags, run of those being 4x and 7x / 2nd shoe only three runs of ZZ, 3x 6x 4x / 3rd shoe only two runs of ZZ, 3x 4x / so in all 222 results the total number of zigzag runs, i.e. 3 or more = 31
Stephen this looks unusual. I mean if true these have to be the worst kind of shoe results that do not show your system in a good light. Also note too how there are few runs of Bank and or Player on all thee shoes and how there are no long runs of either Bank or Player. Also note how the structure of each shoe are similar to each other as if someone had sat down and written them! Please post this."
I'm going to write out the results in board order to see what they look like.
No ties???????????????? Seriously the cards I blew up and scanned were as follows: 1) 73 B/P's with 8 ties; 2) 72 B/P's with 5 ties; and 73 B/P's with 10 ties. Seriously???? Great accusations. All three shoes same structures? I don't think so. All pretty common looking for casino play. I guess if i had a shoe with all 1's, 2's and an occasional 3 and a 4 repeat, that would be suspect to.
1 of the shoes had a player run of 6, a banker run of 6, the rest 3's 4's and one 5 repeating Banker also. What is so abnormal about that, because there was no 7 or 8 or 10 repeating streaks. I have played 4 to 6 shoes and anything over 6 has been absent.
1 of the shoes had a 6 repeating Banker, a 6 repeating Player, and 4-four repeating bankers and player runs.
The other shoe had 2 seven repeating streaks--one banker and one player, had 2 four repeating players runs and had a 5 repeating player run also.
What is so uncommon about these shoes??? An according to your PM emailer, every shoe is suppose to have long streaks, say greater than 8 or 9, doesn't happen at times.
But since it makes you feel better, I lied, the three are fakes and i commit sins and i am a bad farther and ignore my kids and all the rest. Seriously, you are a professional and an expert???? You perpetrate what someone sent you by PM and make me look like i lie and created something to take away your expert and professional work?????????????????????????????????????????? Nice of you how you did that Stephen.
What casino had guaranteed or shoes that regularly with consistency have streaks greater than 6 on a regular basis???? I beg to differ from that one. "How there are no long runs of banker or player". That is laughable, i played 3 shoes and those are the results. You never sat down and played 3 or 5 shoes and had nothing over 5???? I have plenty of times. There was 6 and a 7 in these 3. Jesus.
I don't care about the mob or does who are negative, i am known among many gambling forums and will make my verdict based upon honest observations.
But i don't like when some one start to change the rules and strategy overall when the results is not positiv.
Now Stephen was kind to give me additional betting pattern to complete the betting and i will stick to +3 unit win target and push once for more or stop at +2 units or hit loss limit -6 units.
I will use RNG with Roulette Extreme with no zero and i will run seven days each day and post the result in this topic.
Because in the end i want to know what i do average during each week spending in the casino and after four weeks i want a positiv results.
Week 1
1. -6
2. +2
3. +2
4. +4
5. +5
6. +6
7. +3
+22
-6 = +16
When you get approx 3.6 (sets of 22x) more P/B runs more than zigzag runs over three shoes that someone posts (=81x more!) you first need to 'ask questions' as well as that three shoes, not one more shoe to show the strategy in any good light!
Quote from: Sputnik on June 24, 2017, 04:56:34 PM
I don't care about the mob or does who are negative, i am known among many gambling forums and will make my verdict based upon honest observations.
But i don't like when some one start to change the rules and strategy overall when the results is not positiv.
Now Stephen was kind to give me additional betting pattern to complete the betting and i will stick to +3 unit win target and push once for more or stop at +2 units or hit loss limit -6 units.
I will use RNG with Roulette Extreme with no zero and i will run seven days each day and post the result in this topic.
Because in the end i want to know what i do average during each week spending in the casino and after four weeks i want a positiv results.
Week 1
1. -6
2. +2
3. +2
4. +4
5. +5
6. +6
7. +3
+22
-6 = +16
Under the circumstances as they present, each and every reader should take his or her own results and apply them. There is the mob and then there are serious readers who want to win at the game of baccarat.
Quote from: Stephen Tabone on June 24, 2017, 04:02:45 PM
When you get approx 3.6 (sets of 22x) more P/B runs more than zigzag runs over three shoes that someone posts (=81x more!) you first need to 'ask questions' before making further tweaks. The game play and added tweaks are strong enough. These shoes...are very questionable. The knives were out to get me, (as advised by some members) I know that, at the time these were posted, therefore I really cannot accept them as stand alone. The fact that there were no good shoes that showed TUBS in a good light posted means that no one reader can take these 3 shoes as gospel.
Again I write, individuals should take down their own results and apply them. To merely reply on other persons shoe results is meaningless. No one serious about winning would judge a strategy based on what others claim. S/he must check a strategy against results s/he knows to be true. Otherwise what you'll find on here is 'bear baiting' against me. Though I might be a bear, in defending my strategy I'm certainly not a chained one, to accept claims. I'm a free thinker and therefore am not bound to masters who mistreat in order to satisfy themselves and or the crowd, you readers.
Over the space of a few days, 18th -21st June 2017, the mob (double faced) in order to try and discredit my strategy went onto Amazon and left negative reviews (not a good word to say about it! That I think says more about themselves). The mob clearly planned this and did so to protect their friend's $1,000 workshop in Vegas as other members had advised me about what is going on (then the mob leader takes them to casinos to lose: and he get commission from their loses).
And then you get these doggy shoe results to try and put others off from looking into my strategy! :applause: these people will do/say anything to protect their mob leader. My guess is that they don't even gamble, they don't bet on baccarat for real but just pretend to. Readers should make up their own minds. As of today my book is still #1 on baccarat on Amazon. (currently on sale: click on the link below) 2.1 will be out soon, followed by 3.0 which everyone is waiting for.
I have no idea what seminar or person you are talking about or others are referring to. I was going to start a full time business as I told you and the State of Nevada's Post Secondary Education official agencies documents are posted within my Blog showing how they would not give me an exception/waiver to having official teachers, backgrounds checks, fingerprinting, fee, course outlines etc., the same as a private school or a dealer school. Their state certified consultants and annalists cited, my course content would have great leverage and educational advancement for anyone taking it if they were employed at a casino. However, don't get me wrong, I was not teach or seminar about system and strictly bet placement, etc. Otherwise they told me, there would be a waiver and no regulation because systems and bet placement method seminars are outside of the regulatory realm, etc. So, I am not operating a business so I hope you are NOT referring to me in what you quote.
I ahve no interest or concern with anyone's books, except if it benefits me or i can profit from it. But what does bother me is how you have literally and written wise, accused me of submitting fake score cards to discredit you (with the knives in my hand), seriously?????
The PMs and emails I receive have identified 'the mob' members. We know who they are and why they are doing what they do. Readers should take their own results and apply them and disregard fake shoe results that show strange results. You have a choice: stick with me or engage with them. I'm on the side of the bettor of baccarat to help them to win. I am not affiliated with any workshop or casino whether real or virtual or online. I do not receive any commission. Or you believe and join the mob who do not want people to win, do not gamble at baccarat and do not want the truth to present as it is.
Stephen, so you are claiming those 3 shoes were made up by me and they are fake and conceived to discredit your expert research and system, is that correct???
Quote from: alrelax on June 24, 2017, 05:03:38 PM
I have no idea what seminar or person you are talking about or others are referring to. I was going to start a full time business as I told you and the State of Nevada's Post Secondary Education official agencies documents are posted within my Blog showing how they would not give me an exception/waiver to having official teachers, backgrounds checks, fingerprinting, fee, course outlines etc., the same as a private school or a dealer school. Their state certified consultants and annalists cited, my course content would have great leverage and educational advancement for anyone taking it if they were employed at a casino. However, don't get me wrong, I was not teach or seminar about system and strictly bet placement, etc. Otherwise they told me, there would be a waiver and no regulation because systems and bet placement method seminars are outside of the regulatory realm, etc. So, I am not operating a business so I hope you are NOT referring to me in what you quote.
I ahve no interest or concern with anyone's books, except if it benefits me or i can profit from it. But what does bother me is how you have literally and written wise, accused me of submitting fake score cards to discredit you (with the knives in my hand), seriously?????
Members are PM ing me and emailing me every day. I am receiving more and more information all the time. There is a massive imbalance in the shoe results as I have written. And it is noteworthy how no other shoes were posted that would show my strategy in a good light not even with the new tweaks and the clarification of my strategy play. Readers can thus make up their own minds. Also a number of posts were deleted to cover up wong doing. Whereas I have not deleted any of my own posts.
Quote from: alrelax on June 24, 2017, 05:09:46 PM
Stephen, so you are claiming those 3 shoes were made up by me and they are fake and conceived to discredit your expert research and system, is that correct???
Please answer this.
Quote from: alrelax on June 24, 2017, 05:09:46 PM
Stephen, so you are claiming those 3 shoes were made up by me and they are fake and conceived to discredit your expert research and system, is that correct???
I am making my mind up based on PMs, and emails, and what I see in those results. three shoes, all bad for my strategy. No good shoes included. Readers will make up their own minds. Let them check what has been written. I don't delete my posts, but others do. I don't know why they do.
I lost all respect for you and tried to maintain a neutral position. You accused me of being a lair. You suck, plain and simple.
Quote from: alrelax on June 24, 2017, 05:12:37 PM
Please answer this.
I have answered this. PMs and emails from members, my checks of the results, 103 B/P runs 3 or more, 22 zz runs based on my strategy. 3.6 more B/P runs 81x more... order of results, strange all very strange, deleted posts......
Quote from: alrelax on June 24, 2017, 05:15:34 PM
I lost all respect for you and tried to maintain a neutral position. You accused me of being a lair. You suck, plain and simple.
So you posted three shoes that slaughter my strategy. Didn't you stop to think, hang on, why am I only posting three shoes, all bad, why can't I post more shoes that show wins! All losers? The structure of the results are totally against my strategy. If the shoe results are true, then this has to be utter sheer coincidence. But the fact that you had posted them, only three shoes, you really should explain yourself. It is not for me to say 100% that you faked them. It is for you to tell the truth. If they are not fake then why just three and all bad. Did it not cross your mind that you would not be challenged on this?
Why don't you take photos of full board shoe results when you are at casinos rather than doing what you did? Then we can see the board and write down the results to use.
Quote from: Stephen Tabone on June 24, 2017, 05:23:16 PM
So you posted three shoes that slaughter my strategy. Didn't you stop to think, hang on, why am I only posting three shoes, all bad, why can't I post more shoes that show wins! All losers? The structure of the results are totally against my strategy. If the shoe results are true, then this has to be utter sheer coincidence. But the fact that you had posted them, only three shoes, you really should explain yourself. It is not for me to say 100% that you faked them. It is for you to tell the truth. If they are not fake then why just three and all bad. Did it not cross your mind that you would not be challenged on this?
I played the other night, those are from that night, AD wanted them, I played I posted them. I just posted one and very skeptical to post more but i did it for the member PPKKINT in baccarat thread and my triggers--took the time to explain him, it was a great shoe for me. Some luck at the end, I completed tow 1-3-2-6 progression on 3 and 4 and cut. I have plenty of other shoes posted either in my blog or baccarat room, go look. I have some at home, (at office now) i usually do not keep them or even take the cards from the casinos. A few people were asking for live shoes that is why i posted those. I honestly do not know your system more than win 3 and stop and stop loss of 6. I don't subscribe to a mechanical system, i come at a bac shoe from all directions, strong, weak, chop, cut, etc. Not one way.
Quote from: Stephen Tabone on June 24, 2017, 05:26:00 PM
Why don't you take photos of full board shoe results when you are at casinos rather than doing what you did? Then we can see the board and write down the results to use.
I did with the one I won nearly $30k along with a card I used. It was on this board. They will not allow photos and i had to really pull strings to take that. In Vegas and some places, some casinos do not mind and long as you are not photographing people openly. But most will not allow you to, they get highly upset Stephen and i am dead on serious. In fact to take the picture of the board the floor manager had to call security and the GM, they said yes, but just for that one shoe. The frown on it and will not allow it. Maybe your casinos say okay, not many over here will.
There is one i posted from the casino when it finished. About a week ago?? Run that. It was strong. If you have not seen strong and repeatedly strong and then weak and then a combination of the two in every way shape and form, you have not played thousands of shoes, sorry. IMO.
http://betselection.cc/baccarat-forum/20k-plus-shoe-just-now!!/
Quote from: alrelax on June 24, 2017, 05:15:34 PM
I lost all respect for you and tried to maintain a neutral position. You accused me of being a lair. You suck, plain and simple.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_lady_doth_protest_too_much,_methinks
Here are a couple I had posted from 6-11.
One of you problems is you do not go on and read other peoples threads and stuff.
What problems are you going to find with these, you joined the board here i think on the 8th, and you and i were exchanging friendly pm's a emails, I did not have any problem with you when you joined, the only problem i have is you called me a lair and submitting fake score cards to discredit you. I have no reason, none, to discredit you. That is what the problem is and that will never go away. You sided with seemly people on the board here that claim there are not even ties in my 3 shoes, the 3 shoes that are in question!!!!! Seriously, screw me--no ties because AD excluded the ties, don't you have the original scans that AD used??????
Maybe these don't match up to your system, IDK??? But they are real shoes form a live casino.
http://betselection.cc/alrelax's-blog/6-11-live-shoes/
Here are three more shoes i did not delete yet from 6-10.
http://betselection.cc/alrelax's-blog/3-live-shoes-6-10-17/
Stephen,
For future reference (I'm thinking about the 3rd edition of your book), are the Wizard of Odds' shoes acceptable to you for testing purposes?
https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/1000-baccarat-shoes-8-deck.txt
Quote from: Stephen Tabone on June 24, 2017, 03:00:41 PM
I've received the following from a member via email:
"1. How many decks in these three shoes? the results are, 74, 74, 73 these can't be 6 deck, too many and no ties.
. Also note too how there are few runs of Bank and or Player on all thee shoes and how there are no long runs of either Bank or Player.
Also note how the structure of each shoe are similar to each other as if someone had sat down and written them! Please post this."
Quote from: Mike on June 24, 2017, 05:47:37 PM
Stephen,
For future reference (I'm thinking about the 3rd edition of your book), are the Wizard of Odds' shoes acceptable to you for testing purposes?
https://wizardofodds.com/games/baccarat/1000-baccarat-shoes-8-deck.txt
Hi, Mike, I'm not going to include any computer generated shoe results in future publications. Just going advise readers to obtain real live dealer casino shoe results. This is the best way forward.
Despite the three bad shoes posted. I have gone through and applied my strategy, and here are the results:
(Note: Not every result is bet on as in the rules of my strategy)
Shoe one: 1-,2-,3- but if kept playing as follows, 2-, 1-, break even (BE), 1+, BE, 1+, BE, 1-, BE, 1-, 2-, 1-, BE, 1+, 2+, 3+ up to result number 32 on 1st shoe. / now to the end of the shoe: 4+, 3+, 2+, 1+, BE, 1-, BE, 1-, BE, 1+, 2+, 1+,BE, 1+, 2+, 1+, 2+, 3+, 2+, 1+ (max + is 3+ about half way and again towards the end, so if kept playing from start would have got out half way point 3+
Shoe two: 1-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 3-, 2-, 1-, BE, 1+, BE, 1+, BE, 1+, BE, 1-, BE, 1-, 2-, 3-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 3-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 3-, 2-, 3-, up to result number 51 / now to the end of the shoe: 4-, 3-, 4-, 5-, 6-, 7-, 8- By half way you'd have to stop. Half way on this show would be approx 1-
Shoe number three: 1+, BE, 1-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 1-, BE, 1-, BE, 1-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 1- 2-, 3-, 4-, 3-, 4-, 5-, 6-, 5-, 4-, 5-, 4-, 3-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 1-, BE, 1-, BE, 1+, 2+, 3+, 2+, 3+, 4+ end of shoe. / either you would have took the hit 3- or if carried on you would have ended up 4+
Proof if anything that despite these bad shoes my strategy holds its own and therefore is the most powerful strategy ever! (Save that when 3.0 if published it will rock the casinos, shuttering the myth that the house always wins. This was designed to scare bettors from winning and to make them lose their minds and make bad decisions)
To prove the strength of my strategy for those of you that use Martingale, you will see from the above that the average loses in a row is 2 to 3 therefore if you were to use Martingale trying say up to 4x times max, 1/2/4/8 using my strategy check yourselves to see how much you'd me winning on these three bad shoes. And these are the bad shoes! What if you were playing on the good and great shoes?
What are you waiting for! :))
What more proof do you need? :)
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Quote from: Stephen Tabone on June 24, 2017, 03:00:41 PM
I've received the following from a member via email:
"1. How many decks in these three shoes? the results are, 74, 74, 73 these can't be 6 deck, too many and no ties.
Guys, calm down.
Although the Alrelax shoes did show the ties, I elected NOT to show them as they do nothing for anything that I test so they are NOT included in any of my sheets or transpositions.
Hopefully that settles that little "crisis".
I swear some of you guys would have a real heart attack in a real casino.
AD
Error.
Sorry. It was +3 and -6, not -3 and +6.
Too much coffee.
AD
Again, I advise all readers to check their own results on shoes they see playing out.
Quote from: ADulay on June 24, 2017, 07:44:17 PM
That makes shoe 1 a loser right off the bat.
That makes shoe 2 a loser at -3.
And that's the trifecta. All three shoes lose according to your book.
Stephen, you've just showed us the correct play and all three shoes lost. What more proof do I need? Hey, you asked it.
We're trying to help here but you're being a bit sticky about having "the right shoe" or that people are posting fake shoes. Nope, we're trying to make your play win.
Cherry picking shoes to show winners is easy. I can cull through all of mine and find many that would suit you to a Tee, but that's not how it's played. You work with what you get so once again I'm open to run any shoe posted from a casino from TODAY or TOMORROW.
If you would like I'll use my online session at BetPhoenix that I'll play around 6pm tonight unless you believe they're rigging the shoe to work against your play.
AD
Despite the three bad shoes posted. I have gone through and applied my strategy, and here are the results:
(IF ANY BETTORS USED MARTINGALE, AS A GUIDE YOU CAN SEE HOW IT HOLDS IT OWN DESPITE THE WORST SET OF JUST THREE SHOES POSTED: DON'T ALLOW THE MOB TO PUT YOU OFF!!)
(Note: Not every result is bet on as in the rules of my strategy)
Shoe one: 1-,2-,3- but if kept playing as follows, 2-, 1-, break even (BE), 1+, BE, 1+, BE, 1-, BE, 1-, 2-, 1-, BE, 1+, 2+, 3+ up to result number 32 on 1st shoe. / now to the end of the shoe: 4+, 3+, 2+, 1+, BE, 1-, BE, 1-, BE, 1+, 2+, 1+,BE, 1+, 2+, 1+, 2+, 3+, 2+, 1+ (max + is 3+ about half way and again towards the end, so if kept playing from start would have got out half way point 3+
Shoe two: 1-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 3-, 2-, 1-, BE, 1+, BE, 1+, BE, 1+, BE, 1-, BE, 1-, 2-, 3-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 3-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 3-, 2-, 3-, up to result number 51 / now to the end of the shoe: 4-, 3-, 4-, 5-, 6-, 7-, 8- By half way you'd have to stop. Half way on this show would be approx 1-
Shoe number three: 1+, BE, 1-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 1-, BE, 1-, BE, 1-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 1- 2-, 3-, 4-, 3-, 4-, 5-, 6-, 5-, 4-, 5-, 4-, 3-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 1-, BE, 1-, BE, 1+, 2+, 3+, 2+, 3+, 4+ end of shoe. / either you would have took the hit 3- or if carried on you would have ended up 4+
Proof if anything that despite these bad shoes my strategy holds its own and therefore is the most powerful strategy ever! (Save that when 3.0 if published it will rock the casinos, shuttering the myth that the house always wins. This was designed to scare bettors from winning and to make them lose their minds and make bad decisions)
To prove the strength of my strategy for those of you that use Martingale, you will see from the above that the average loses in a row is 2 to 3 therefore if you were to use Martingale trying say up to 4x times max, 1/2/4/8 using my strategy check yourselves to see how much you'd me winning on these three bad shoes. And these are the bad shoes! What if you were playing on the good and great shoes?
What are you waiting for! :))
What more proof do you need? :)
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Quote from: ADulay on June 24, 2017, 07:44:17 PM
That makes shoe 1 a loser right off the bat.
That makes shoe 2 a loser at -3.
And that's the trifecta. All three shoes lose according to your book.
Stephen, you've just showed us the correct play and all three shoes lost. What more proof do I need? Hey, you asked it.
We're trying to help here but you're being a bit sticky about having "the right shoe" or that people are posting fake shoes. Nope, we're trying to make your play win.
Cherry picking shoes to show winners is easy. I can cull through all of mine and find many that would suit you to a Tee, but that's not how it's played. You work with what you get so once again I'm open to run any shoe posted from a casino from TODAY or TOMORROW.
If you would like I'll use my online session at BetPhoenix that I'll play around 6pm tonight unless you believe they're rigging the shoe to work against your play.
AD
When you get approx 3.6 (sets of 22x) more P/B runs more than zigzag runs over three shoes that someone posts (=81x more!) you first need to 'ask questions' before making further tweaks. The game play and added tweaks are strong enough. These shoes...are very questionable. The knives were out to get me, (as advised by some members) I know that, at the time these were posted, therefore I really cannot accept them as stand alone. The fact that there were no good shoes that showed TUBS in a good light posted means that no one reader can take these 3 shoes as gospel.
Again I write, individuals should take down their own results and apply them. To merely reply on other persons shoe results is meaningless. No one serious about winning would judge a strategy based on what others claim. S/he must check a strategy against results s/he knows to be true. Otherwise what you'll find on here is 'bear baiting' against me. Though I might be a bear, in defending my strategy I'm certainly not a chained one, to accept claims. I'm a free thinker and therefore am not bound to masters who mistreat in order to satisfy themselves and or the crowd, you readers.
Over the space of a few days, 18th -21st June 2017, the mob (double faced) in order to try and discredit my strategy went onto Amazon and left negative reviews (not a good word to say about it! That I think says more about themselves). The mob clearly planned this and did so to protect their friend's $1,000 workshop in Vegas as other members had advised me about what is going on (then the mob leader takes them to casinos to lose: and he get commission from their loses).
And then you get these doggy shoe results to try and put others off from looking into my strategy! :applause: these people will do/say anything to protect their mob leader. My guess is that they don't even gamble, they don't bet on baccarat for real but just pretend to. Readers should make up their own minds. As of today my book is still #1 on baccarat on Amazon. (currently on sale: click on the link below) 2.1 will be out soon, followed by 3.0 which everyone is waiting for.
Despite the three bad shoes posted. I have gone through and applied my strategy, and here are the results:
(IF ANY BETTORS USED MARTINGALE, AS A GUIDE YOU CAN SEE HOW IT HOLDS IT OWN DESPITE THE WORST SET OF JUST THREE SHOES POSTED: DON'T ALLOW THE MOB TO PUT YOU OFF!!)
(Note: Not every result is bet on as in the rules of my strategy)
Shoe one: 1-,2-,3- but if kept playing as follows, 2-, 1-, break even (BE), 1+, BE, 1+, BE, 1-, BE, 1-, 2-, 1-, BE, 1+, 2+, 3+ up to result number 32 on 1st shoe. / now to the end of the shoe: 4+, 3+, 2+, 1+, BE, 1-, BE, 1-, BE, 1+, 2+, 1+,BE, 1+, 2+, 1+, 2+, 3+, 2+, 1+ (max + is 3+ about half way and again towards the end, so if kept playing from start would have got out half way point 3+
Shoe two: 1-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 3-, 2-, 1-, BE, 1+, BE, 1+, BE, 1+, BE, 1-, BE, 1-, 2-, 3-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 3-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 3-, 2-, 3-, up to result number 51 / now to the end of the shoe: 4-, 3-, 4-, 5-, 6-, 7-, 8- By half way you'd have to stop. Half way on this show would be approx 1-
Shoe number three: 1+, BE, 1-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 1-, BE, 1-, BE, 1-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 1- 2-, 3-, 4-, 3-, 4-, 5-, 6-, 5-, 4-, 5-, 4-, 3-, 2-, 1-, 2-, 1-, BE, 1-, BE, 1+, 2+, 3+, 2+, 3+, 4+ end of shoe. / either you would have took the hit 3- or if carried on you would have ended up 4+
Proof if anything that despite these bad shoes my strategy holds its own and therefore is the most powerful strategy ever! (Save that when 3.0 if published it will rock the casinos, shuttering the myth that the house always wins. This was designed to scare bettors from winning and to make them lose their minds and make bad decisions)
To prove the strength of my strategy for those of you that use Martingale, you will see from the above that the average loses in a row is 2 to 3 therefore if you were to use Martingale trying say up to 4x times max, 1/2/4/8 using my strategy check yourselves to see how much you'd me winning on these three bad shoes. And these are the bad shoes! What if you were playing on the good and great shoes?
What are you waiting for! :))
What more proof do you need? :)
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1. Other members PM'ed me, emailed me re the mob. I do not know if the mob is real, or true
2. Alrelax posted three shoe results, he had the right to, but members, readers will always have doubts, they have this right too. For me the shoes were bad against my strategy though that said using Martingale the results show that my strategy is still strong.
3.I do not believe that Alreax set out to damage me re the three shoes he posted. Though I stand by the advise for readers to check their own results. Why this makes sense is that while Alreax shoes may be real true, others could post fake ones. I think Alreax would agree on this point. And this is not to say that his are fake. When I wrote what others advised me I was only putting it out there, not to say this is so with Alraex' results.
4. My novel The Godfifa, though not perfect was a first novella I wrote a long time ago. It was an experimental work. Tough there is one bad review on it, there are good points in that review too and reviewer wanted to read the next book. Please read the review for yourselves.
5. I do not know Alraex from Adam, therefore I have no beef with him. His entitled to his opinion and his blog. I know that he has mentioned to me a lot on his other posts and threads. I can't stop him from doing that but I don't like to refer to non gambling related topics for the most part. I never delete my posts and within which I seldom write outside of gambling related topics. I hope he'll adopt this stance too. I don't mind if he PMs me and calls me whatever he likes I can take it but besides this doing live on the forum does not help the forum or other readers who come here for information.
6. I am sorry this whole thing has gotten out of hand somewhat and I hope it stops because I get no satisfaction in it. I like to read what others write about gambling related topics, strategies, casino life and the like.
7. I'm sorry if I had upset you. I did not mean to.
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Quote from: Stephen Tabone on June 24, 2017, 06:07:49 PM
Hi, Mike, I'm not going to include any computer generated shoe results in future publications. Just going advise readers to obtain real live dealer casino shoe results. This is the best way forward.
Stephen,
You still haven't given any reason why you believe live dealer results are better than computer generated results, and you haven't anywhere said how many bets you've made in your tests which enable you to come to the conclusion that your system is a long term winner.
There are basically two ways to "prove" that your system works. 1) You can prove it mathematically or 2) You can prove it empirically by testing over a large number of placed bets.
Since it's impossible to prove mathematically that a negative expectation game is actually positive (D'uh), you are left with option 2. And because it seems that you make relatively few bets per shoe, you must have had to play an awful lot of shoes (many thousands) in order to arrive at statistically significant results.
For an even chance bet, especially one with a low house edge like Baccarat, you need to generate positive results over at least 10,000 BETS (NOT shoes) and show an increasing standard deviation. So what is the statistical evidence which proves that your system works?
It's absurd to trumpet that you have "beaten" the game on the basis of a few hundred bets. :no:
Where is the math?
Quote from: Mike on June 25, 2017, 07:47:55 AM
Stephen,
You still haven't given any reason why you believe live dealer results are better than computer generated results, and you haven't anywhere said how many bets you've made in your tests which enable you to come to the conclusion that your system is a long term winner.
There are basically two ways to "prove" that your system works. 1) You can prove it mathematically or 2) You can prove it empirically by testing over a large number of placed bets.
Since it's impossible to prove mathematically that a negative expectation game is actually positive (D'uh), you are left with option 2. And because it seems that you make relatively few bets per shoe, you must have had to play an awful lot of shoes (many thousands) in order to arrive at statistically significant results.
For an even chance bet, especially one with a low house edge like Baccarat, you need to generate positive results over at least 10,000 BETS (NOT shoes) and show an increasing standard deviation. So what is the statistical evidence which proves that your system works?
It's absurd to trumpet that you have "beaten" the game on the basis of a few hundred bets. :no:
Where is the math?
It's fear and perception that will cause a bettor to believe that s/he cannot win mathematically. In such an instance such a gambler will find almost everything impossible not just card games. I've checked 10,000 shoes. The strategy was never designed to be played over thousands of shoes because (a) it was be impossible to carry out for real and (b) if a bettor set out to play shoe after shoe s/he will go through the ups and down tends and not notice the gradual climb. In theory when s/he hit some losing shoes the likely outcome would be that s/he would dismiss the system either by running out of bankroll or not seeing the bigger picture i.e. the climb. And then since humans need rest it would not be possible to continue to play shoe infinite in order to reach the point where positive results surpass the peak of the break even zone. (D'uh) Further, the system was design so that a bettor gains a small profit, a few units + thus able within the small waves to achieve on a daily bases. What you're looking for is called greed. There are a lot of gamblers like you that want miracles but people like you will never win in the long run because you want to run before you can walk.
Gentlemen,
As the level of this ongoing "soap opera" gets more chaotic by the day, I have decided to just bow out of the discussion.
The original three shoes posted at the top of this thread are no longer valid as the rules of the book (Version 2) have changed and apparently they will continue to change, almost daily, until the author is happy with the outcome.
In spite of the fact that this was merely a nice diversion from my normal baccarat routine, it has somehow collapsed under the weight of trying to make the system fit the shoe and accusations of all kinds flying around. This is too bad. It was fun having some other people in on the play and comparing results and attempting to help it along. This has fallen by the wayside due to constant "updates" to the Kindle Book as published.
So, Stephen, you can thank me for most of your advance sales of Version 3 when it comes out. Hopefully someone will get the conversation started on that when published. I know it won't be me.
I will continue to watch the evolution of Version 2 from the sidelines.
Respectfully,
AD (the guy who doesn't put tie hands in his worksheets)
Quote from: ADulay on June 25, 2017, 02:44:29 PM
Gentlemen,
As the level of this ongoing "soap opera" gets more chaotic by the day, I have decided to just bow out of the discussion.
The original three shoes posted at the top of this thread are no longer valid as the rules of the book (Version 2) have changed and apparently they will continue to change, almost daily, until the author is happy with the outcome.
In spite of the fact that this was merely a nice diversion from my normal baccarat routine, it has somehow collapsed under the weight of trying to make the system fit the shoe and accusations of all kinds flying around. This is too bad. It was fun having some other people in on the play and comparing results and attempting to help it along. This has fallen by the wayside due to constant "updates" to the Kindle Book as published.
So, Stephen, you can thank me for most of your advance sales of Version 3 when it comes out. Hopefully someone will get the conversation started on that when published. I know it won't be me.
I will continue to watch the evolution of Version 2 from the sidelines.
Respectfully,
AD (the guy who doesn't put tie hands in his worksheets)
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Quote from: ADulay on June 24, 2017, 02:35:40 PM
All,
Hmm, I didn't realize I could start a new thread in this area, so instead of posting up in the "General" area, I'll use this one.
As several of you have Stephen's book and are testing his play, you can use this area to post up your worksheets showing the ongoing development of what originally started out as a mere OPP play.
Stephen has the option to remove this from his area if he wishes but for those of you who are working this play, here's my first post on the subject.
These are the three "fake" shoes that Alrelax posted up a few days ago. If you haven't tested your play on those, you are falling behind.
If our results vary in the extreme, then some of us are not on the same page. So run those sheets and see what you come up with.
There are three different plays being run on each sheet. Zip/F12 and TUBS and of course VDW.
AD
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start your own thread, post your own fake results, who told you to post here, earwax? take your back stabbing somewhere else, earwax says these were not his shoes after all!
though that said, some people are just so bad they need to be an island because they are back stabbers and horrible manipulators who start trouble posting on other peoples blog when there is already a blog on this topic. Who told you to post this blog was it you mate earwax?
Delete them at your discretion, as noted in the original post.
AD
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