The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Lack of undersating of how random outcomes work is
the downfall of most systems.
Look at the casino. They understand random completely.
They know that it gives them their edge in roulette. They
start with the premise that the best you can do is 50/50,
throw in some unfair pay outs, a zero or two, and they
have their edge.
Set out first and foremost to understand how random works,
then come up a playable strategy. Don't make statements
like 'R/B is weaker than O/E or H/L.' Silliness like that just
shows you've never studied random. Learn it, grasp it, then
you're at square one. Anything else is just putting the cart
before the horse. :no:
Can you mention one method (of yours or of anybody else) that fits all these teachings? ???
Quote from: spike on November 28, 2012, 11:34:01 PM
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Lack of undersating of how random outcomes work is
the downfall of most systems.
Look at the casino. They understand random completely.
They know that it gives them their edge in roulette. They
start with the premise that the best you can do is 50/50,
throw in some unfair pay outs, a zero or two, and they
have their edge.
Set out first and foremost to understand how random works,
then come up a playable strategy. Don't make statements
like 'R/B is weaker than O/E or H/L.' Silliness like that just
shows you've never studied random. Learn it, grasp it, then
you're at square one. Anything else is just putting the cart
before the horse. :no:
I completely agree with the above statement. :thumbsup:
Maybe we will get somewhere here.
There is nothing that ensures that neighbors from last spun pocket are more likely to hit than the exact opposite pockets or any other location.
So no argument about wheel distribution will be fair. Like Red and Even are perfectly alternated on the wheel and Odd and Even are not---
:stress:
Same difference for wheel and table play.
Why not say then that you don't need to write any previous spins and the bet you were about to make on table A in Las Vegas could just as easily be placed on Table B at the Ritz in London. It has the same probability to appear wherever you place the bet. So what is the point in measuring anything?
I suppose what I am saying is that you could play your own permanence at anytime and the wheel you are playing on makes no difference. I could go along with that.
that is true. I could not have said it better. Still you might speculate on something about your permanence. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Bally6354 on November 29, 2012, 11:30:46 AM
Why not say then that you don't need to write any previous spins and the bet you were about to make on table A in Las Vegas could just as easily be placed on Table B at the Ritz in London. It has the same probability to appear wherever you place the bet. So what is the point in measuring anything?
It is true to say that it has the same raw probability but i still measure my personal permanence.
Quote from: Bally6354 on November 29, 2012, 11:33:01 AM
I suppose what I am saying is that you could play your own permanence at anytime and the wheel you are playing on makes no difference. I could go along with that.
I don't know what 'your own permanence' means.
Quote from: spike on November 30, 2012, 02:47:02 AM
I don't know what 'your own permanence' means.
...It means the exact set of numbers you lay bets on builds a numerical set of its own.
You may witness 40 spins in an hour.
But if you only laid chips on 4 spins, then 'your own permanence' (set of played spins) has those 4 bets only.
This "personal set" builds up regardless of places.
Here's a quote:
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The great French scientist Henri Chateau expressed it as axiomatic:
Statistical laws are satisfied regardless of the samples which are considered, provided that the samples are random.
We have talked about this many times, but in other languages around the world nomenclatures can differ.
P.S. The generalized opinion is only real-money bets alone should be included ;)
First thing people think about is playing at home until propitious conditions, then rushing to the casino!
True random is a beautiful thing. Not fake random that
runs slots or online casino roulette wheels. True random
can't be tricked or gotten around. It doesn't have weak
spots or strong spots, its always the same. Random.
Without understanding how random works you don't have
a chance of beating roulette. If you don't learn how to
think like random thinks, it will never let you tame it. Random
has limitations and it has rules. Its never the same and its
always the same. Almost sounds like a primitive definition
of the nature of god.
Without understanding how random works you don't have
a chance of beating roulette. If you don't learn how to
think like random thinks, it will never let you tame it.
If you have understood randmoness properly why don't you tell your way of beating/taming it? Empty preachings do not impress. :no:
Quote from: spike on December 01, 2012, 04:35:13 AM
Random
has limitations and it has rules.
Does it? I thought random was just that... Random?
Quote from: KingsRoulette on December 01, 2012, 08:06:48 AM
If you have understood randmoness properly why don't you tell your way of beating/taming it?
Sure. I track past spins and from my experience in
practice and knowlege of how random works, I make
an educated guess as to what comes next. Flat bet,
make my win goal and go home.
Quote from: Blood Angel on December 01, 2012, 08:23:10 AM
Does it? I thought random was just that... Random?
Once you learn how to read random, it no
longer looks confusing. Everything looks
confusing to the layman's eye.
Quote from: spike on December 01, 2012, 08:41:20 PM
Sure. I track past spins and from my experience in
practice and knowlege of how random works, I make
an educated guess as to what comes next. Flat bet,
make my win goal and go home.
Spike I would like to ask you a question regarding reading random.
When YOU read random from the past spins can you read the random using just one of the EC's or do you have to read more than one to draw a conclusion? For example can you make your educated guess just from say Red/Black or would you also have to use say Odd/Even too? I use EC's as an example because I'm pretty sure I read on Vls that's what you bet.
Thank you.
An EC is an EC, they are no different. H/L tells
you what's going in with the pockets representing
H/L. R/B tells you about those pockets. Its about
the wheel, not the layout. Past outcomes tells
you which pockets the ball is favoring and which
pockets its ignoring. Forget the layout, that's just a
way of keeping score.
Quote from: spike on December 01, 2012, 10:23:46 PM
An EC is an EC, they are no different. H/L tells
you what's going in with the pockets representing
H/L. R/B tells you about those pockets. Its about
the wheel, not the layout. Past outcomes tells
you which pockets the ball is favoring and which
pockets its ignoring. Forget the layout, that's just a
way of keeping score.
Thank you for your concise answer.
Quote from: KingsRoulette on December 01, 2012, 08:06:48 AM
Without understanding how random works you don't have
a chance of beating roulette. If you don't learn how to
think like random thinks, it will never let you tame it.
If you have understood randmoness properly why don't you tell your way of beating/taming it? Empty preachings do not impress. :no:
ABSOLUTELY!!!!! Actions speak louder than words. I claimed some big things but by this time next year people will know I can back up my claims.
Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on December 03, 2012, 11:12:01 AM
What are those claims? And in what way they have to do with Understanding Random Outcomes?
Cheers
You just click on the BV challenge button once a month. You, Spike, Steve, Gizmotron. All who think I make this up are in for a surprise.
And a lesson youll never forget. I am not goimg to argue with anyone over this again. Youll hold your beliefs until someone shows you.
There is another way. that's my job.
Quote from: MarignyGrilleau on December 03, 2012, 02:19:14 PM
What are the claims. No need to feel attacked... Sorry if i hurt anything. :-X
That PATTERN BREAKER can show a longterm profit while breaking all the rules. Martingale progression, hit and run etc. Spike said he knew PB was a loser in 1.5 seconds.
It will be amusing watching him explain how this loser made several thousand units profit next year. Its going to be a classic.