Here are several people who say they have a system that works. For example Superman, Albalaha, Gizmotron, Johnlegend and sorry if I forget anyone.

The question is: if any of them publish the winning system do you think the methods discussion would end?

Why should it not be?. Why argue about systems that do not work after there is one that works published? We will have to wait for some kind soul let the system publicly for all to see.

It would be interesting to see if after a forum member publishes a system that works people will continue discussing Martingale rehashed.

What is your opinion?

If I write my Holy Grail, all discussions will end up forever and all readers will run to casinos or play online ones. So for the community to keep running, it is essential that a grail be kept hidden from public eyes.

And Johnlegend and Gizmo have already published their "systems".

Don't forget Spike. He never loses.

Quote from: Albalaha on April 26, 2013, 05:15:22 AM
If I write my Holy Grail, all discussions will end up forever and all readers will run to casinos or play online ones. So for the community to keep running, it is essential that a grail be kept hidden from public eyes.

Interesting position. This line of discussion I wanted to get.
We could say that the action by the owner of publishing the holy grail would be counterproductive for the community?

You know that I do not support the sale of systems but the only way I see to share such a valuable piece would be to sell the holy grail with a confidentiality agreement. But we go back to the question why sell it from a first instance.

Personally I do not think there is a winning system that can be called absolute so I do not think that the discussion in reality can come to an end. Only if declared after all relevant evidence by independent public review of several parts somebody could talk about the absolute winning method. Unfortunately there is only isolated people that claim to have wonderful results for their holy grail without public scrutiny.

It would be good to do a collection of so-called winning systems and make them real long-term tests.

Quote from: wannawin on April 25, 2013, 11:07:48 PM
Here are several people who say they have a system that works. For example Superman, Albalaha, Gizmotron, Johnlegend and sorry if I forget anyone.

The question is: if any of them publish the winning system do you think the methods discussion would end?

Why should it not be?. Why argue about systems that do not work after there is one that works published? We will have to wait for some kind soul let the system publicly for all to see.

It would be interesting to see if after a forum member publishes a system that works people will continue discussing Martingale rehashed.

What is your opinion?

The truth is cruel sometimes.
First you should not believe that they have winning methods.
This is internet and any one can pretend and lie.

There is a reason why there does not exist winning systems public on internet, they don't exist.
Its about you, not a system, strategy or method.

Psychological you know when to quit and stay ahead and handle loses, then you might have a positive net gain in the end ...
MM is more important then choose of method, my opinion.

One week you might hit amazing strikes and capitalize, next week you might hovering around zero, other week you might thank God that you know when to quit and don't get ruin.

Common sense can make you a winner with out searching for a super method that not exist.

Friend Sputnik, I completely agree with what you say. The truth can be cruel but it is true.

I myself have experienced what you say: The method that one day is gold but copper next day.

If there is a method that is gold every day I do not think anyone in their right mind who wants to give away for free. It would be very generous or very foolish. And we all know which is not abundant.

QuoteIt would be good to do a collection of so-called winning systems and make them real long-term tests.

I think it is tough to find even one. The game is not unbeatable in itself but it can't be beaten in absolute terms. I mean, nothing can win in every probability because even if we cover all 37 numbers, we stand to lose and if we leave even 1-2 numbers uncovered it can kill momentarily. When I talk of a grail, I talk of winning an ordinary session with routine dispersions. If a method can Win more and lose less if you keep playing the same way, it is a grail. This is my way of defining a grail.

Quote from: Albalaha on April 26, 2013, 05:50:23 AM
            I think it is tough to find even one. The game is not unbeatable in itself but it can't be beaten in absolute terms. I mean, nothing can win in every probability because even if we cover all 37 numbers, we stand to lose and if we leave even 1-2 numbers uncovered it can kill momentarily. When I talk of a grail, I talk of winning an ordinary session with routine dispersions. If a method can Win more and lose less if you keep playing the same way, it is a grail. This is my way of defining a grail.

Thanks to define the particular grail concept for you.

I agree: Unless it is oneself who spin the numbers to his will there is always the possibility of losing.

From there I think that even if a system is successful for one person it may not be for the neighbor. The most you can get similar to the absolute system would be a system that was successful for many but never for everybody. To accept that others are going to lose is a mandatory thing but if there are many more who win and they finally win enough to cover the total loss counting all players that lose we can speak of grail.

Therein lies the importance of the tests to be public and maybe for the test group to proceed to play as a team to overcome the individual losses.

QuoteHere are several people who say they have a system that works. For example Superman, Albalaha, Gizmotron, Johnlegend and sorry if I forget anyone.

No system works long term so there's probably a few people you can cross off your list. I don't have a system, a system is mechanical in my opinion so is a method, a way of play is different.

QuoteFirst you should not believe that they have winning methods.
This is internet and any one can pretend and lie.

Very true.

QuoteThere is a reason why there does not exist winning systems public on internet, they don't exist.
Its about you, not a system, strategy or method.

Psychological you know when to quit and stay ahead and handle loses, then you might have a positive net gain in the end ...
MM is more important then choose of method, my opinion.

Exactly, if YOU can't read/understand the current situation in front of you and make good decisions as to when, where and how much to risk (that's all you are doing, guessing and risking) then YOU need to study/learn/work harder until you get it right more often.

I laugh now when I read what players say sometimes, "I saw Number 21 hit 5 times so I bet on it" as this event has already happened there's no reason at all that that specific number is guaranteed to hit again, sometimes it will but most often it won't

QuoteCommon sense can make you a winner with out searching for a super method that not exist

True again, YOU can only do it yourself, I doubt it could be taught, you either see it or you don't.

QuoteThe method that one day is gold but copper next day

That covers everything ever written on the internet doesn't it? as none of them work long term.

QuoteIf there is a method that is gold every day I do not think anyone in their right mind who wants to give away for free.

I, without bragging, would say I am lucky enough to have this gold every day as I haven't lost a session in 6 months now, I've explained the best I can as to what I do but nobody is prepared to learn, they want it written down in ABC steps which I guess is human nature, that's why we will always have forums for gamblers jumping from one method to the next.

Congratulations on your success.

We all know that you are honest. It is titanic to get away positive during 6 months in this game. Not many people can say that. I wish you success to multiply many bankrolls and to be sustainable over time.

Quote from: Superman on April 26, 2013, 06:52:04 AM
   
I, without bragging, would say I am lucky enough to have this gold every day as I haven't lost a session in 6 months now, I've explained the best I can as to what I do but nobody is prepared to learn, they want it written down in ABC steps which I guess is human nature, that's why we will always have forums for gamblers jumping from one method to the next.

Well Superman please don't get me wrong but some things sound a bit strange in your perspective. You said you have won almost 3 thousands of sessions without a single loss. "Hat of to that" is insufficient thing to say.
But even after all that you still play with 0.05 chip.

I know that you don't have to earn for living out of roulette but that chip size sounds at least weird for a man who has beaten 3000 sessions without a loss.

That is even more strange when you said you turned 20 euros in 150 or more few times... So for you to be able play with casinos money even with a enough higher chip wouldn't be a problem since you have won more than enough for that.

You also said that you don't actualy "like" roulette in terms it is your passion and you like to spent few hours a day in front of it, like I am/would. So your only goal would be to make some extra cash on random generator. That way you play electronical much faster roulette. You also said you aim 10 units per session and with 0.05 chip size that would be 0.50 cents a day? Even after 3000 sessions beaten? That sounds realy strange to me. What is the trick?

You said you don't have strict set of rules, otherwhise you could code it and make cash cow. But to play with so low chip size after so many beaten sessions doesn't have any sense at all.

So I wonder are you actualy confident in the way you play roulette? I mean do you know and can explain what gets you overall "advantage" for not losing single session in so many trials? Or you think you were just lucky?

I must admit that I read all your posts where you tried to explain the way how you play, but all I found is that you apparently play FTL and bet on streaks and chops when you "THINK" it will hit. Hm.. if someone doesn't consider this explanation a bit clumsy, can it say opposite?  Please if I missed at least a bit better explanation, can you point me to that?

You were emphasizing how MM is important and that is what you were trying to explain more then betselection, but is your BS really made just out of your personal permanence? I mean you don't take any mathematical, statistical relations when you choose your bets? To be honest I don't think so.. It wouldn't have sense. Then successful playing roulette would be much abstract thing, right?




Drazen

Quote from: wannawin on April 26, 2013, 05:49:30 AM
If there is a method that is gold every day I do not think anyone in their right mind who wants to give away for free at all. It would be very generous or and very foolish.

^This

Giving away something that works, be it for free or not, is nothing more than lots of trouble.

You can create a grail urself if u take care of these:
1. your method or system or way to play is based upon a reasonably long term and not a few spins. Reason: any bet may get unbeatable dispersion, momentarily. It can't be possible in long run.
2. A money management that can sustain a little variance, even above the usual variance due to house edge, in long run.


          So, if u plan for short run, u always stand the risk of loss. Martingale, fibo, labouchere etc fails due to this wrong thinking.


         You have a grail made for yourself. Can't hint more.

I was right. My winning methods are complicated. I even attempted making it as simple as possible. You use a list of characteristics to identify easy to see conditions. You apply bets to these conditions to see session difficulty vs ease. At no time was any of this process used to confirm a process of prediction. It was used to find the over all conditions during the session. My method works because I deliberately set out to find the hot streaks. All the information gathering is to have a syntactic method for finding hot streaks. I've never had a session that didn't have a hottest streak.

Now please don't tell me that you can't figure out what to do with a hot streak. You evaluate the session difficulty and you attack each session proportional to the difficulties or successes already experienced. In other words, you take advantage of discovered opportunities. Why is this so hard to understand? You bet small when nothing streaks for good, you bet big when it's a hot streak. This advice is as old as the hills.