I agree with  wannawin in everything exept the part that if something works for someone it may not work for an other one...
If something really works , it works for everybody.

I really can t beliave what superman is posting...
He used to be a serious roulette explorer and now everything he writes are against his knowlwdje and expirience.

Giz..well he will always be Giz.

albalaha you are always trying to find a winning method and you always say in every post that nothing can win...
But when you remember you are posting that you already have a winning method.

My advice is for all to be serious and not posting things that they can t do and they aren t doing.
No system till now is a winner...Let s all work to make one.
This is the true reason we should all be here after all.

I also agree with Drazen and Sputnik.

Ps. When you ppl will ever understand that if you add up a lot of sessions ,it ends up like playing long run?
When will you understand that quit wile you are ahaid , doesn t help in anyway.

My suggestion is get over this fallacy and you will start making better systems/methods.

Oh well, I aint going to post anymore about how I play, Drazen has sent me plenty of PM's and I have tried to explain to him the best I can, obviousley because he just can't grasp it I am lying, Razor, I don't give a flying f*^k what you think, yes I have been battling the RNG for many years the fact that what I now do can't be botted or explained in "roulette for dummies" makes me a bu11shitter, that's your perogative I suppose.

As Gizmo says, to explain something so straight forward is complicated and near impossible when the audience is 'hoping' for an ABC/123 explanation which isn't there.

@ Razor, spot on about albalaha that's all he's after, I have him on ignore for the past few months already others should do the same, heck, ignore me too.

I am always spot on and I am spot on you too superman.

If you say that every session that you played was a winner , then playing continiously is the same...
Once upon a time you knew that...now I can t understand what happened and you forgot it.

QuoteIf you say that every session that you played was a winner , then playing continiously is the same

OK my last respinse to this nonsense is, Razor you are wrong, heres a quick screenshot of my current sessions at BV, and the last week has been against the european table not NZ.

No red lines as you will see, enjoy and believe what you want mate.

Razor, you sound like a mathboyz. I would not be surprised if you were the
snowman himself. What do you know? Proof is all you are interested in.All I'm
interested in is watching people reject a method that actually works. I get a big
kick out of watching others showing their ignorance. This thread is perfect. It's
the zenith of irony.

@Superman

No, mate you are getting all this wrong I am affraid. I am not lazy, stupid nor I wanted some few simple steps, nor that I can't grasp some harder things maybe. don't want to bother you but all your explanations about BS were "when I think will hit".  I am not thinking at all that you are lying but rather not telling maybe more details.

When you already mentioned my harrasing PM-s and my impossibility to grasp some things may I say that you earlier (this year) said to me ..."it all depends on 3.0 deviation really..", and in the last PM you said " I stopped using STD long time ago".. So who can conclude something from such opposing statements?

"I see some singles and soon I expect some series or vice versa to show up".-- Well pretty much like that. You didn't said even half decent explanation to try figuring out although you are saying all the time how you explained your way of betting best possible. For who to understand? Maybe only you. With all due respect.

I was sure and actualy as you said now, you won't talk about your play at all after now, this pis*sed you enough although it wasn't my intention at all, nor to get you mad or depreciate. But things are as they are and I can't change them.

You don't have to prove anything to anyone, nor teach, nor help anyone. All I am saying that your explanations are too blur even for most inteligent or hard working people to connect, although you think somehow they should be enough.


Best

Drazen

@ Superman I never thought even for a sec that you are lying.
I respet you and as I said I consider you as a great roulette researcher and I also consider you as a sirious person.
All I said is that you have taken the wrong path.
You always KNEW that playing continiously or playing hit and run are resulting the same...now what change your mind..I really don t know.

@Giz you got it all wrong.
I never searched for proofs and I never wanted for someone to post a winning method.

@Drazen I really don t think that Superman is hidding something.
What I think is that he also don t know what he is doing so how can he explains it?

If you read Giz and Supermans latest posts you will realize that they both speak as the same person...same kind of play...guessing. Unreal.

I never said that an ABC method is gonna work for sure...but guessing isn t superior.

You never know when a trend is gonna continue to happen ,neither when is gonna stop....so there are no "follow the trend " succes playing.

Quote from: Albalaha on April 26, 2013, 05:15:22 AM
If I write my Holy Grail, all discussions will end up forever and all readers will run to casinos or play online ones. So for the community to keep running, it is essential that a grail be kept hidden from public eyes.

Hello Albalaha, 


I wish you continued success!

May I disagree with your above quote? If you explained your method it would take years before even 10 players use it.

Superman

Thank you for posting the screen shot. 

Again, what is the "Holy Grail"?  I like to work within the confines of a definition.

I think we all know two things: 

1.  You can't mathematically turn a negative outcome into a positive one;
2.  Dispersion or variance will get you--sooner or later. 

I've said this and was derided for it, but I'll say it again.  An airplane does not eliminate gravity.  It is still there.  Let the beast run out of fuel and see who wins.  But aerodynamics overcomes gravity.  (Yes, I know it can be proven and demonstrated.)

But to answer the question.....

Where would we go to have so much fun as we do here if it were not for the "quest"?  Where would we get the love?

I've made some friends around the world due to these forums.  Sure would hate to see us all become wealthy and mean!

TwoCatSam

P.S.  I have no grail, but you knew that.

Quote from: TwoCatSam on April 26, 2013, 11:33:32 PM
An airplane does not eliminate gravity.  It is still there.


[...] aerodynamics overcomes gravity.  (Yes, I know it can be proven and demonstrated.)

Sam, you got it 100% right: the "accepted way to win" a.k.a advantage play doesn't deny the existence of the house edge.


The unfair payout because of the extra Euro pocket or pockets in the American game is still there; advantage players create a sufficient edge for themselves that prevails the consuming effect of that from the house.


A battle of powers if you will.


You don't need to stop the river's stream to move up the riverbed, you need to row strong enough to move up.


You are in no way or fashion denying the existence of the stream, you are effectively negating its effect, so bravo for being sharp on your appreciation.


In this game we can't eliminate dispersion nor the house edge, we can only apply all of our efforts to finding more powerful ways to deal with them.

Quotealbalaha you are always trying to find a winning method and you always say in every post that nothing can win...But when you remember you are posting that you already have a winning method.

I never knew that someone can still say this after I beat 10 Million spins data taken from Victor's forums itself (mostly). I do not  need to prove anything. You guys are far away from where I have reached way back. The irony is, nobody is even willing to create a grail even after I clearly mentioned its characteristics.
                           When I put the number 3 open challenge, I got to see that you simply lack the fighting spirit and just want to swim with the stream. With this way, you will always at the mercy of the stream. It may carry you to your destination or finish you away. Once you learn to swim successfully against it, you can reach wherever you want.
                         You can never filter out good times or bad times with following the trend. Trend is a fiction created by your mind. You can never decide with even slightest accuracy as to which trend will start or stop and when will it do. In every spin, you have more than 50% chances to lose.
                   

@ Sam, No problem Sam, I was a bit dissapointed with the replies so decided to show an up to date statement so my challenger could actually see that still to this day I play and beat the RNG each time. And as you can see I am now going against worst odds in the european wheel, NZ, been there done that, got bored.

@ Drazen, to cover a few of your posts, yes I still play for pennies/cents whatever, a unit is a unit mate, no I am NOT scared of losing but I would be if I was playing euros, I would probably also play much differently and as I am only playing for fun, to prove to myself I can continually win each session as and when I decide to play one, again, a unit is a unit, I don't let greed get in the way.

I used to try everything in a bot, I used to track with a tracker, I used to play for SD etc etc etc, none of those methods/systems/styles of play were any better than any other so over time I have ended up playing like I do, what more can I say.

Quote@ Superman I never thought even for a sec that you are lying.
I respet you and as I said I consider you as a great roulette researcher and I also consider you as a sirious person.
All I said is that you have taken the wrong path.
You always KNEW that playing continiously or playing hit and run are resulting the same...now what change your mind..I really don t know

Thanks for that, if you think my changing tact to one where I win every session is the wrong path then that's weird mate. Yes botted strict methods playing continually always end the same way, big loss/es, maybe what I've just said to Drazen will make you understand.

QuoteAgain, what is the "Holy Grail"?

I think some people think its something that can be explained perfectly so everyone can have it, if that was the case it would make history as would roulette be assigned to history and ended then and there. My opinion is if you can win each session (and prove it with screen shots when needed) then you have a style that suits the outcomes, I wouldn't say I have a grail as I still gat caught out every now and then with bad runs/decisions and as I have said before, sometimes I can be 10 15 units down and just reset to 1 unit and take much longer to win the session, chasing creates a different mindset its best to forget the loss and start again.

Quote from: Superman on April 27, 2013, 07:02:28 AM

I used to try everything in a bot, I used to track with a tracker, I used to play for SD etc etc etc, none of those methods/systems/styles of play were any better than any other so over time I have ended up playing like I do, what more can I say.
 

Thanks, I am pretty sure I understand now all around your play. And as you say, it is as it was seemed to me  No rules, no tracking, no STD.. Just your "maneuvering" ( we could say even blind, because there is no any tracking of anything) based on your personal permanence and betting amounts also on the fly. How much you think could be right.

That way you are still after 3K of sessions on the same chip and that way you would play differently and probably more cautios with higher chip size.

So abstract that it can't be more. But if you ask me, important is that is works by some miracle. That is really enigma to me mate and I bet even more to you

Best

Drazen

I think it sounds great that you doing great Superman.

Cheers

Playing with the same value of chips isn t bad in the case of Superman because he still tests his method.
I know that (because of his true knowledje and expirience) he knows that these winning sessions could be a luck even if the number of the sessions are a lot.

@Sam a method deserves to be called H/G when it can get + in any session no matter the fluctuation of the outcomes.