Could not believe this one!  I have been around and in numerous businesses in the past.  I do consider myself to half a pretty varied and vast background.  But even this amazed me in way as someone would do it in public and especially at a baccarat table where it is low and everyone is in close proximity to each other.

There was this fairly decent looking female playing.  The dealer just paid out a side bet hand and had to call the floor person over to verify.  I sat back and just looked around.  I do remember I was cracking/stretching my neck.  I caught a glimpse of the female, as I was to the right of her two seats, and she had her right hand in her jeans.  I then saw her look around and I was looking straight and caught her through my peripheral vision.  She takes her right hand and places her fingers right under her nose and inhales. 

Okay, can only imagine.  Chalk up another one for the game of baccarat and its players!

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Last Friday night was cool.  I stopped at a super Walmart on the way to the casino and did about 75% of the Christmas shopping for my three kids.  I was bringing $1,200.00 for my local casino few shoe bankroll.  I spent $770.00 at Wal Mart on their toys, all I have left to buy now, is 2 new bikes, a 50" TV for their playroom and an all white bed set for my little girl that has been begging for one. 

Well got to the casino about 9pm and a few people just sat down.  I bought in with the $400.00 and started wagering $50 a hand.  I wasn't really in the mood to play cause I had to be at my office to open for the guys coming in at 6:30 am.  I was winning one and losing one for about 10 hands.  Then a new dealer taps in and he always rides me about himself making a Fortune 7 in the first couple-few hands.  So I throw a quarter up on the Fortune 7 and he draws 6 for the Players and showing blackjack for the Banker.  He looks at the table and sees almost everyone with money on the Fortune.  He pulls a card and says 6-6-6-6-6, etc.  Just before the table could see it, he says "On the first hand-yeah", then he flips a darn 6!  $1k payout. 

I played a few shoes and and every $300-$500 I got up, I would then give right back.  I was watching several players continually losing, I refrained from wagering every hand and every single time I loved something the others did also and then the shoe would make that opposite, no way to be on the right side winning decisions.  So, on the 4th shoe I got up about $400 to around $800 once I pocketed the $1k win earlier.  I left and went to cash out.  I gave the cashier all $800 and then took one of the black chips back and said I would wager it on one hand and try to press it twice.  I lost the first hand, so called it a night.

Count all you want and go out and wager your cash on your count.  So far from viable it is pitiful. 

If explored and researched I will lay you odds someone, somewhere has a system they are selling that this propaganda goes along with. 

So ludicrous, 8's and 9's actually help so many times in getting to a dragon 7 cause the reduce so many cards for the player if not in the first 2 player cards.  LOL.

Literally and physically impossible for you to get those results with a random cut and a different burn card.  You have the same exact result just displaced elsewhere, it is ludicrous.

I don't have the time to manually worte down the card order or the hands played out as you presented.  I did this manually, with 8 decks of cards, no jokers, dealt the cards same as a casino, etc.  Cut the shoes at a different spot each time, somewhere around 30% to 70% into the shoe.  Drew a burn card and burned the value plus the burn card.  14 cards set behind the cut card in the rear of the shoe.  Same as a casino. 

The only thing I am looking for is if there would be any similarity when the cards (say they came out of the auto shuffler) in some magically set up order as to have a house advantage to the casino, if that order would be held. 

Once again, with a random cut and a burn card, there is no way for the casino to set up the cards.  Which would be a huge regulatory problem and possibly even a criminal charge.  Just so damn tired of hiring members open their mouths that casinos set up the shoes with a certain order of cards from the uto shuffler.  LOL.

Here is my first three shoes I did.  Manually.  8 decks of cards, proper burn and 14 in the rear behind the cut card.

Each shoe was arranged the exact same way.  The 3 burn cards were different values. And of course all three cuts were different.   

Many don't have them and just as important as money---Brains and Knowledge.

I will have a few completed from doing manually today.  Will scan and post in the morning from my office computer, I don't have a scanner at my house.

The last test of the 2 shoes were in a different set-up order from what I understand.  The first tests were the same order.

Setting up the shoes in different orders does not accomplish anything.

Setting up the shoes in the same exact order, cutting in a different spot would prove that even if the cards were pre-set, that a random cut and a burn card will change any possible pre-set outcome from happening.  Which I know the latter would have to happen. 

This would be ideal for my purposes:

Shoe #1:  Cut card @ ____.  Burn Card ___ for total of  ____burned.

Results posted as the picture on a horizontal card as shown.

Any fashion, X=Players or P=Players, and 0=Bankers or B=Bankers.
Or, Red 0 is Bankers and Blue 0 is Players.   

thanks.

YOU.  You are the only person that can help you, period.

You can only win by knowing what you are really up against.

Players winning, is directly related to correct timing if the player is not wagering in a haphazard and off the hip fashion.

There are no mechanical systems that can always win, they simply do not exist.  People always have something to sell, trying to get everybody to be greedy and believe there is various ways to beat games of chance. 

Control and influence over your play, decision and wagering, is the absolute key.

Your technique effects the outcome of your wagers.

Dedicated practice, patience and willpower.  Those are the sound fundamentals.  The same as a school class, teaching sound fundamentals before going into the explanations of the subjects.

If you are going to pay good money to take a class or buy a system, etc., make sure that it is not fiction.  There are plenty of hucksters, cons and scammers selling a system of fantasy, confusion and baffling ideas that convince the player---"Hey, wait a minute, this is the Holy Grail that I have been looking for". 

People unfairly attack writers for writing and wanting to express their ideas, findings and thoughts, no matter if they are correct or not.  That is a fact that, complicates the situation of finding what is fiction or non-fiction.

When you are gambling you want to win.  You ca not live in a fantasy world, where all you wager on and believe in or base your wagers off of, is fiction that has been written by some of our so-called 'experts' which are only snake oil salesman selling systems that cannot prevail.  I do not even want to entertain the drama of the on-going crazy worthless operas at most baccarat tables with the superstitions and karma and the self-proclaimed power players think they possess, having validity and substance that leads to winning decisions. Bull-stuff to the hundredth power!

You have to understand, survive and be able to interpret what is happening. Not trying to change the winning results to the system you were made to believe in.  You need a clear mind until the time presents itself that you can excel.

There will be good days and days.  With the proper knowledge, you will be able to stop in your bad days and also be ahead of the game.  Not self-destructing and depleting your bank roll.

Many players also are under the impression that they can influence the game/shoe.  They cannot.  Simply guessing right numerous times is your enemy, realize that.  You ca no t influence, ca not change any present or upcoming hand.  You have to have the ability and knowledge to read and understand the shoe, how it is presenting itself.  You have to have the wherewithal to wager along with it.  And that is probably the single biggest win-lose factor of the game of baccarat.

Most players are not focused on the results as they are presenting themselves.  They are focused on their attempt to predict and have the results conform to their expectations, which is really regressing away from the mean and influential observations misinterpreted.  This is what the casino, the hosts, the management of the properties count on.  The player ca not stay away from bad bets.  That is the exact and only reason the pens, the scorecards, the multi-thousand dollar scoreboards are bought and installed by the casino for your eyes.  They influence and they control you, once you learn that and use it to your advantage, you will become a more profitable player.

Another huge downfall most players have in baccarat is the spiritual and lack of focus and all the belief in extraordinary things a player concentrates on with the hopes to change the outcome of the shoe.  Well if those players would concentrate on learning the knowledge that, would benefit their decision making. Such as knowing probability, regression to the mean, influential observations, independent and dependent events, expected value and house edge, etc.  Those along with practiced willpower and patience, money management and progressions, would be extremely helpful to a player.  In short, forget the Voodoo and the ritual chants and gain the knowledge that leads to power. 

Mentioning money management and progressions, without the proper knowledge of how to incorporate those into your bankroll, your gambling chances of winning overall at baccarat are pretty far against you.  It is not easy and on the other hand, not impossible.  It just takes the desire to learn how to obtain the knowledge and use the power that knowledge can give you.

Learning is very important, knowledge is power.  Knowledge is all important, but it is not where actual power abides, it is being able to use the knowledge.  For a player to practice the willpower, the patience and the knowledge within his actions, each and every time.  It is not fun, it is not easy, and however it is paramount to winning the majority of your wagers.  That is where learning and practicing how to implement that knowledge will improve you. 

Few people have what it takes to rise from bad or so-so gambling to the level 'Advantaged Player'.  And there is nothing wrong, nothing illegal with being an 'Advantaged Player.'  Lots of people attempt card counting, dice control or influence, memorization of video poker strategies---only to find that it is work, hard work.  Attending seminars on 'Advantaged Play' will give you insight as to the skills, but learning those skills and putting them to work for you is entirely another matter.  On another hand, possibly you will find lots of the sales speech stuff and instead of doing just those things, you will do the opposite.  Maybe, HUH?  Learning comes in strange ways and at times we think we are not actually learning, we really just might be. 

Would anyone think that just attending a seminar on playing basketball or football makes one a pro player? NO!  Because you know that would take lots of years of hard work, learning, unlearning, trials and errors, spending time with the right people in the right places to have you learn-adapt and execute those vital key components to being someone that excels in something.  You have to rise above and beyond the average person and that too, is rare in today's atmosphere of instant everything.

So, I am ending this short speech with the very same opening line, YOU.  You are the only person that can help you, period!

So we have two shoes with the same cut position with different order of cards out of the auto shuffler.  Doesn't prove anything, nothing. 

The whole point of this was to have a set-up the same and thus proving a different cut and possibly a different burn card would change the outcomes. 

Same amount of burn cards, same cut position with different results.

A positive side is that 'Influential Obviations" will allow a player not to fall into the rut of 'straight math' which can never beat a casino game. 

You have to learn how to mix the two for the edge that can allow you to win for a period of time.

Your ways of thinking are totally ridiculous!

Simply with a different position cut and a different burn card, every shoe cannot and never will hold the same darn patterns/results/decisions, no possible way!!!!

Sure, there might be a similar result here and there for a small section or even a half a shoe to almost resemble another, but no possible way the results could be the way they came out.  I was taking it to the extreme with the same set up of cards, which would never ever happen in a licensed casino, but my point is to prove like I said, a different cut and a burn card, the auto shuffler cannot set up a certain outcome.