"If you can't afford to lose.....stay out of the casino".

On another note, "Book Smart".  Oh my lord!  Book smart and similar is great, but it sucks in the real world.  I have meet many that were so technically smart and 'know it all's', but their application ratio of that data was zero.

To me it's nice to know some stats and know some names, but I rather have the practical experience as it relates to whatever subject/field I am engaged in, no matter what it is. 

There is a distinct and separate compartment for 'book knowledge' and another very real one for  'experience/application'.

Quote from: Bayes on November 15, 2014, 02:04:10 PM
If it's any consolation, you probably make more money than me.

Hope that helps, and please don't call me.

And by the way, in case you hadn't noticed, here I am on a gambling forum claiming that it's possible to win at roulette. That alone would qualify me as a retard in most people's eyes. 

There is absolutely no competition here in anything.  I praised you previously until you came onto my threads and said what you did.  You mention money, money has nothing to do with it.

Teachers and professors of anything don't impress me, they are merely an extension to verbalize what someone wrote or thought was accurate and the way something might be or what they believe 'should be'.  What impresses me are the people in the trenches-- whatever it is including gambling, career, life, etc., in general that excel at what they do. 

Theories and statistics are someone's basis that might or might not be true or might or might not apply to your situation, casino play or otherwise.  I challenge authority and question everything.

Maybe it has something to do with where and how I grew up, which was in South Florida in the 70's to mid 80's where 2/3rd's or better of the government was corrupt and involved in wrong doing. To add to anti government and anti authority sentiments I spend the remainder of the 80's in NYC.

If you don't know what I am talking about watch the documentary "Cocaine Cowboys", you will get a small taste of what I am referring to.   You see most people are taught to respect the government, highly influential people and the police.  But what I witnessed first hand taught me to challenge and question everything and everybody. 

Quote from: Albalaha on November 15, 2014, 04:05:54 AM
In my humble opinion, there are primarily four classes of gamblers:

1. Casual visitors: They come in a casino as they go to amusement park or a club or a disco, once in a while. They know they have lesser chances to win anything than lose. It is merely a kind of leisure activity for them. They move around, play a little and go away home usually with a small loss of money. They often come with regular ones as friend or family. They have interest in gambling but are too scared to play large.
2. Regulars: They may have started as a casual player but now they want to take "revenge" against their prior losses. Mostly they do not have any strategy and they either bet on impulse or on their superstitious choices. They are seen in casino on a regular basis.

3. Semi skilled: They know law of third, martingale, fibo, labby, positive progression, negative progressions, EV and various other terms and fallacies spread out by various gambling books, websites, forums, blogs etc. Even if they have not read all these they understand this by their experience. A few of them even test their "favorite systems" to win in a few sample sessions. They have a misconception that they are far better than casual visitors or regulars and have thereby better chance to win too. They win and lose sessions and ultimately remain at a net loss.

4. Skilled: They know how to play and maximize their chances of winning. They do not win every time but in overall, they are always winners. A cut above the rest.

Percentage of all classes of gamblers, in my observation:

Casual Visitors: Not less than 40% of total players

Regulars: Not less than 50%

Semi Skilled: Not less than 9%

Skilled: No

t more than 1 in a thousand

LOL, Are there even Disco's left??? Growing up in NYC and South Florida I was disco crazy!  The days of Saturday Night Fever!   Okay on to gambling:

We don't even need to talk about the 'Casual Gambler' that's a comparison to a dirt bike racer for the first time.

Regulars, some have smarts and some don't, depends on their background and what their common sense level is, but true they are close to the Casual Gambler.

Semi Skilled, personally I would group all those into the 'Regulars' as well.

IMHO, there are skilled players, however, I can't see how you can classify them as 'always winners', etc.  Maybe if they only play the beatable games and not the unbeatable ones. But, again IMHO,  I think even skilled players have the tendency to lose.  I think you are a bit off on skilled players, but no way to accurately measure this. 

Ask 'Bayes' he seems to be an expert about those as evident in his post in my Blog.   

Vic, can we have a section for 'Voo-Doo', 'Magical Wishes', 'Karma' and 'Luck' statistical analysis???

Quote from: VLS on November 14, 2014, 11:05:26 PM
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Thank you!!!!

This also sponsors a fresh forum re-install for us to enjoy clean sources and get rid of bugs in this forum too.

Bright news guys. You're awesome!

I'm not awesome, I am just an unintelligent, karma wishing-rabbit's foot-voodoo preaching, uninformed and overpopulated gambler on the board, just ask Bayes!  He is the awesome Mathematician that the board needs more of! 

I am sending you $50.00 to cover it, you will have it this weekend.  Alrelax.

Quote from: Albalaha on November 12, 2014, 05:44:38 AM
All progressions are proportionally good and bad in all probabilities taken together. None is, conclusively the best. Be it flat bet or martingale or parlay or anything else that you can devise or read anywhere. All presuppose a particular situation to work best. In not so favorable cases, they go ridiculous. This is true about all of them.
                             If you are looking for the best progression, for all probabilities, I am afraid, you won't find any.

Spot on.  If you are winning they are the best and only reasonable thing to factor in.  If you are losing, they can and usually do compound your losses, more so than not. >>>>My experiences and also IMHO.

Go play it in a casino, I would love to see the real truthful answer as to what happened after a reasonable session of say, 25 to 30 spins or so.

Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on November 11, 2014, 11:51:23 PM
RELAX Brother,
So your unlucky LUCK, after being recycle for 30 years, and still try  to recycle your unlucky luckkkk???  hahahahaaaaaa![smiley]aes/lol.png[/smiley]

You don't know me or have ever gambled with me.  I would not trade anything I did (well there was the x-wife but all in all......that's another story) for another route.  I had some great wins, many of them.  I had some losses.  Nothing lost changed my life.  The wins were enriching and most of the wins money bought toys and material things.  Like I said, experience, fun, lots of relationships and never gambled to make money.  (Please don't twist that around by saying I don't care if I lose, everyone wants to win).

Quote from: Rolex-Watch on November 11, 2014, 11:07:56 PM
You can get lucky on any individual hand, such as winning 9-8 or tie'ing 9-9, winning 7-6 etc.  It requires something more than luck to win on a consistent basis.

Absolutely, 1,000% you are correct.  I re-emphasize with a 'dose', meaning added on the side and sporadically.  NFL football.  Come on, besides the team effort, there is always an element of luck that could have played into event(s).  Certain talent matched up player for player and team for team would say one thing, get my drift??

Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on November 11, 2014, 07:19:18 AM
Dear friends,
Let me say,my pent-up,   0-cent opinion..[smiley]aes/evil.png[/smiley]

To win in Baccarat, or any EC game,
we need ...
1] BET-SELECTION, that can  win more than 40%
of bet [taken bet...or otherwise]
2] a very mild progression,..that will win at least 1u, up to 200bet.
3]and BR...  that can stand up to over 200 bet!!!

So if u can't have any BET-SELECTION method that will win more than 40% constantly..
then just forget  the word CASINO!

U also need to understand how to avoid or to manage VARIANCE.
The only member of this much beloved forum, who could explain about VARIANCE MANAGEMENT much better than others , is ALBALAHA.
[Search his website, BTW its free!]

But it is sad that peoples keep harping on other petty issues, and seems to avoid understanding the core of LOSING in gambling.... [smiley]aes/cry.png[/smiley]

When u could fully understand VARIANCE,..and still can't figured out a bet selection that could have >40% hit...
then u could make a decision ..

to bet,
or not to bet.
in other words,
to lose ,
or not to lose ...MONEY.[smiley]aes/pizza.png[/smiley]

Say whatever you want to say, and twist and turn it to say it's Variance and a host of other things, all defined.

But it all boils down to a dose of 'luck' and 'control', without those all your methods and skill doesn't mean that proverbial pile of 'jack'. 

'I am no newbie or player with a year or two of experience.  I play steady for over 3 decades, seen just about everything you can ever think of.  Win, loss, multi million dollar jack pots, long win streaks, long losing streaks, and many other things.   

You can have all the statisticals and methods until you know them, believe them and abide by them inside and outside.  Without a certain amount of 'luck' and 'self-control' (things cannot and will not go your way, so to speak) you cannot capitalize on those stats, methods and understanding of gambling and random result games.

Luck is a combination of things in general going your way or you converting and riding the tracks with the way things are going.  There is a certain amount of Karma involved in the process.  Maybe people realize that with experience and time, maybe not?  But the down-sides to gambling, 'the losses' are contributable to something we cannot all define with explicitness and words.  There are too many undefined events in gaming that has to do with 'randomness'.  Period.

Okay, you win.  Period.  Absolutely.  Now, write your system and sell it like the rest.

Absolutely, small/short period of time.  Yes, possible.  Long term/long range/year after year.  No way.  Cannot and never been done.  A couple sessions per week, 8-10 a month and every month for year after year, constitutes long term. Cannot be done, never been done.

A couple times a month for a very short period, a few hands, a few spins, etc., a couple times a year.  Maybe.

I have won for a period of 7 or 10 trips overall also, meaning not an average, each and every trip.  I know plenty of others also.  But not consistently over the long run.