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[Drazen]

Hello gents

Please I would like to say something for the last time as I was assured by few people lately how my way of play is nothing but the fallacy.

OK I am attaching screenshot of my account ATM. It is the same account with which I started and nothing was deposited or withdrawn in the meantime.

If you will notice it is now very nice sum of money comparing to initial start bank of 25$ or 250 units bank as I started with 0.10$ chip as a base.

Just this morning I was at 170.00 and positive difference you see is my today's one and a half hour session profit. I haven't lost single session by now and I played over 100 of them. Shorter like mini sessions or longer ones.

All I can say is that this works even better then I was imagining successful play, but that is also due to my way of punting the money.

I really don't have big DD-s and it is very nice and pleasant play. If you add to this one`s passion for watching ball jumping and getting into the pocket, you are getting almost orgasmic feeling in the end

I already gave here enough clues and explanations for someone to understand, but I don't intend to put money directly in your pocket. Please don't even ask me that.

I had even less help then you are having now with all this.

Good things should be deserved anyhow, my philosophy.

Good luck to you all 

Drazen

[Bayes]

Hi Drazen,

Good work. 

I was just wondering whether you took the free sign-up bonus when you opened this account?  I was looking at their T&C and it seems that 1) playing roulette only contributes 25% to paying off the wagering requirement, and 2)

Please note: A player may make only one withdrawal of any winnings earned using a free sign-up bonus, and this withdrawal is limited to a maximum amount of $/€/£ 200. Any remaining winnings will be deleted from the player's account, upon making this one-time withdrawal request up to such maximum amount.

So it seems to me that you could be playing for an awfully long time in order to satisfy the x99 wagering requirement and yet the most you would be able to withdraw is $200. 

[Drazen]

Yes Bayes that is correct. When I started to play I actually recklessly take this offer without realizing at first how unfair actually is.

There was saying "free no deposit" so I though it is free as I have in the past experienced in this casino few times that they give honestly FREE bonus which you can actually withdraw at the moment. No any obligations at all.

And I was in this belief for this too for some time, until I wanted to reward myself by withdrawing some money and affording nice going out to myself 

Then operater told me that I still have wagering requirements to obligate before withdrawing. I said OK, what are those, and thinking how those jackals fooled me, but what can I do now except fighting with that bonus. I sighed and said to myself: you have to be patient that is all. I actually knew from before that wagering requirements for all bonuses here are about 20 times of bonus and wager and that each bet on roulette counts only 25% toward wagering unit.

But then ice cold shower wet me. When I looked at terms of this bonus my lower jaw just hit the floor. It had to be 99 times wagered bonus amount and still only those 25% wagering units were counted for roulette. I couldnt darn belive. Every casino offers nothing but slavery terms for bonuses, but this one like this???

I took a paper and pencil and did the math. 25x99=2475/25% ( or x4 more in other words) = 9900$ of placed bets in total effectively.

So bear in mind that I play with 0.10 chips and I don't have write a single letter about this.. 

Plus last term of that agreement was that I can only withdraw maximum of 200$ of total amount of money I earned after wagering that bonus. So I can earn 10 000$ they will give me only 200$...

But I have trick for this too. Will it work, we will see.

As I play with Lapartage rule they must give me half of my loss back when zero hits. So what I plan to do is when (If) I break barrier of 200$ is simply to place "sure bet" and significantly speed up wagering.

Just an example

I will play red and black with lets say 15$ each and cover zero for insurance to compensate the loss if it hits.

With 30$ in total /25% toward wager it would be 7.5$ effectively. And how much I have to place on zero to pay of possible loss? You see what I mean..

IF you can earn in the game and they have put you restrictions which you are allowed to earn this time, why not to try this. I didn't find that this violates some rules.. 

I did something similar on sports betting bonus in the past on bet365 and it worked... 

Best

Drazen

[monaco]

Well done Drazen    I'm happy to hear your successes my friend.


Long may it continue 

[Rouletta]

Hi Drazen

I tried to become a member; then I noticed they don't have fun $ to practice with
I spoke to the operator online and she told me the only way tto practice free is to accept
the bonus......lol lol.  I naturally refused.
Just about all good online casinos have fun account and I find this strange they do not have fun
account.  I don't think I will put real $ at work here......
Why don't u use your same strategy or method at another online casino to compare the results.

Cheers

R

[iggiv]

Casinos are not fools, they won't give u a bonus unless it is profitable for THEM, not for u...Any moment u are ahead they can call you a bonus abuser, and then good bye to your bonus and your winnings. Even the most trusted casinos can do it, that's normal. That's not your money, that's casino money, today they give it to you, tomorrow they may take it any moment. And money won by you with a bonus  is  not yours as well because it was made out of  their money. So this is normal casino practice. If they don't give u a bonus, u may not want to play, if they just let everybody make money from their bonus then they go bankrupt. The logic is simple. Don't accept the bonus unless you want just to have some free fun training how to play at this casino. Don't count on this bonus as your money. It's theirs.

I already said this:

Let's say house edge is 3% roughly. Now let's say u get 100 dollars bonus with some wager requirements. You start playing it random with 1 dollar unit. After a while there is a very good chance that u will lose 3% and will stay with 97 bucks. Let's say u are done with your wager requirements. And u can withdraw your money. What happened here? Despite the house edge you made money out of NOTHING, like a magician. You made 97 bucks with zero dollars down. Now imagine that 1000 people from all the world came to this online casino and just followed the suite. Casino lost 97k.

Will they let this happen? Don't fool yourself.

[Drazen]

Yes iggiv I know that. It was more of a mistake, but anyway even If I don't get nothing it was worth of my practice, tuning things and confidence... I am aware I am messing with thiefs and actually defy them very raw in their business.

Anyway to be honest I don't put much hope that even if I wager out this, I won't have fight with them or even won't get that money. They just need to see my history of play and they will be scared. It may seem to them that they don't need such player in their casino.

But again those 200$ is not much of a money and if they refuse to pay this I really don't know what... We will see.

This casinos is from famous Playtech grpupation where William Hill is also, one of the most unfair casinos concernig restrictions of play and not cashing out bonuses.

So should I look for casinos which accepts pro players? Is there actually any such on line casino? That sounds like a fairy tale I have been dreaming of since I started this journey. Is that impudently thinking? Did I deserved it? Is it real? Well something toward this is happening definitely. I can't not to notice this.. Almost at 176$ now..

Not that I am not sure in my strategy, just not sure that this is happening to me 

Just don't know.. the time will tell. It always has all answers..

Drazen

[iggiv]

William Hill group may ban you from live games any time. This is expected. I think they let you go on just because they are sure you won't be able to satisfy their wager requirements. If this was you your own  money in use with such winnings, you wouldn't have to be able to play live games by now.

[Bayes]

You can hardly blame them for making it tough regarding the free sign-up bonus. As iggiv says, they are running a business. But their match bonus seems quite good - they'll match up to £100 and you only have to wager x20, plus you get to keep ALL your winnings.
Anyway, keep us updated Drazen.

[Bayes]

I tried to become a member; then I noticed they don't have fun $ to practice with
I spoke to the operator online and she told me the only way tto practice free is to accept
the bonus......lol lol.  I naturally refused.

I don't see the harm in taking that bonus if all you want to do is practice; what do you have to lose? Worse case scenario is you lose it, but you could eventually make $200 without risking any of your own money.

[ignatus]

What i understand from all this,.... and all roulette-experts here (amazing)


Ways to win roulette:


(1) Betselection
(2) Progression
(3) Patterns
(4) W/L-patterns 






We all know this now. Good. Now, figure out a roulette system that works!


Thank you 

[TwoCatSam]

ignatus, Old Sport, I'll get right on it!

[Superman]

What i understand from all this,.... and all roulette-experts here (amazing)

Ways to win roulette:

(1) Betselection (isn't mechanical)
(2) Progression (none that work, you have to be flexible and use your own judgement when to increase or fall back to base unit)
(3) Patterns (forget it, random constantly changes)
(4) W/L-patterns (you could count wins/losses in the last x spins depending on what you are following)

ignatus, Old Sport, I'll get right on it!

LOL Sam, I somehow don't think ignatus is at this level of the game yet but he seems to be learning that mechanical systems/methods do not work long term.

[ignatus]

Never say die, Superman: -I won 92€ playing this for real @Eurogrand casino last week.....my own invention/system...took me 4 days to make that tracker.

http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13098.0

[AMK]

Hello again Drazen,

I see your point when you say this:

"There was saying "free no deposit" so I though it is free as I have in the past experienced in this casino few times that they give honestly FREE bonus which you can actually withdraw at the moment. No any obligations at all."

William H actually sent me an email 3 times saying that they had given me a free 10 euro bonus. I thought, that was nice, and went to my account and withdrew it each time.

I might add, that this was after I told them to cancel all bonuses on my account which I did first thing when I open the account. These free 10 euro bonus came out of the blue. But unfortunately have since stopped.

Strange huh.