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[shogun]

It is not a good morning for me.
Now had a double loss on live table. My first one. I had increased the second bet to recover quicker.
A treble and a double the same morning 
that's it for today.

[JohnLegend]

It is not a good morning for me.
Now had a double loss on live table. My first one. I had increased the second bet to recover quicker.
A treble and a double the same morning 
that's it for today.

Bad days happen Shogun. Personaly I wouldn't have gone so heavy on BV after just starting. My play today on BV got off to a bad start. I lost the first game on ODD EVEN AGAIN. But it was due to a zero.

Pulled back 2 sevenths of the loss on HIGH LOW which has been my keeper today. THEN lost again on ODD EVEN after doubling stakes, taking me about 5 euro into the red. High Low again came through for me.

Then had dual qualifiers with HIGH LOW---ODD EVEN and they BOTH WON pulling me back to Level.. Then won the next three games.

To leave me about 5 points down for the day. But still 5 points in profit overall.

And in tracking saw 16 blacks. So its all going on today. Its only because I raise and lower stakes that im only 5 points down today after basically losing 21.  So here is where things stand overall.

UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER ON BV FOR 25/11/2012

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 202

TOTAL GAMES WON 186

TOTAL GAMES LOST 16

STRIKERATE APPROX 11/1

DOUBLE LOSSES 1

TREBLE LOSSES ZERO

LONGEST WINNING STREAK 47 (RED BLACK)

CURRENT LONGEST STREAK 19 (HIGH LOW)

[Trebor]

In a strange sort of way it's a small crumb of comfort that you've had some bad luck Shogun.


Not being funny and I hope it picks up for you, but that's the sort of thing that happens to me.


In the last two days I've had a few losses. Not back to back but it's knocked my strike rate for six.


Trebor

[JohnLegend]

In a strange sort of way it's a small crumb of comfort that you've had some bad luck Shogun.


Not being funny and I hope it picks up for you, but that's the sort of thing that happens to me.


In the last two days I've had a few losses. Not back to back but it's knocked my strike rate for six.


Trebor

Trebor are you playing ONLY on BV single zero?

[Trebor]

Yes and a couple of the losses were due to that pesky zero   


Trebor

[JohnLegend]

Yes and a couple of the losses were due to that pesky zero   


Trebor

Yes I lost once today because of the zero on the very last spin of my first game. So I am covering that now. What I was going to say to you is, where in the world do you live? Are you not able to at least track on a live wheel ?

See how things compare. Im having one of my best periods live. And you always know that a loss is down to random. there's never any doubt. 

[Trebor]

I'm in the UK JL, so yes I could.


But, I've played on BV for ages with other methods and find it much the same as live, good and bad runs come in cycles.


Also I'm tracking only for testing purposes with 1 penny on red even when a bet would normally be called for so BV can be none the wiser even if they could be bothered.


I'll sort out my figures some time but for now can say that I'm well in profit (on paper) if I use recovery after a loss.


Trebor

[JohnLegend]

I'm in the UK JL, so yes I could.


But, I've played on BV for ages with other methods and find it much the same as live, good and bad runs come in cycles.


Also I'm tracking only for testing purposes with 1 penny on red even when a bet would normally be called for so BV can be none the wiser even if they could be bothered.


I'll sort out my figures some time but for now can say that I'm well in profit (on paper) if I use recovery after a loss.


Trebor

Okay Trebor, yes the overall breakdown is close to Live. What differs so far is how you arrive there.

On live you tend to get LONGER gaps in general between losses. In the way Subby is experiencing it on PADDY POWER.

With BV I see two or three losses in ten games then you might win 20. Live I've never lost the first game of the day twice.

In 4 years. Here I've done it in a few months. Never seen a treble loss live. Shogun caught it today on BV. Albeit betting bigger stakes.

Live RED BLACK performs less favourably that the other two. BV RED BLACK has a 47 game winning streak.

And hasnt lost the last 16 games either. Although im not playing it, only tracking. Just some differences I've noticed between the two formats. Yet the overall strikerate is the same right now. 11/1 a piece.

[Bally6354]

What's to stop an RNG casino like BV from sending you a bad string of results in advance if they see you are playing the same system every day for big stakes. Just the fact that they could (not saying they would) would be enough to put doubts in my mind.

[Robeenhuut]

Okay Trebor, yes the overall breakdown is close to Live. What differs so far is how you arrive there.

On live you tend to get LONGER gaps in general between losses. In the way Subby is experiencing it on PADDY POWER.

With BV I see two or three losses in ten games then you might win 20. Live I've never lost the first game of the day twice.

In 4 years. Here I've done it in a few months. Never seen a treble loss live. Shogun caught it today on BV. Albeit betting bigger stakes.

Live RED BLACK performs less favourably that the other two. BV RED BLACK has a 47 game winning streak.

And hasnt lost the last 16 games either. Although im not playing it, only tracking. Just some differences I've noticed between the two formats. Yet the overall strikerate is the same right now. 11/1 a piece.

I don't see any relevance in  comparing winning streaks live and on BV. Shogun and Trebor apparently can not match your strike rate. Other guys apparently have better stats. How would you explain that?

[JohnLegend]

What's to stop an RNG casino like BV from sending you a bad string of results in advance if they see you are playing the same system every day for big stakes. Just the fact that they could (not saying they would) would be enough to put doubts in my mind.

Yes Bally, I think this has always been the thinking in alot of peoples minds regarding RNGs.

Superman and Bayes believe BV is a trustworthy RNG. And overall so far I have no reason to doubt that.

My only cocncern has been what happens when you start betting DECENT MONEY. 5 EURO up. And

what Shogun experienced today hasnt done my confidence a whole lot of good lol! Lets put it that way. 

[JohnLegend]

I don't see any relevance in  comparing winning streaks live and on BV. Shogun and Trebor apparently can not match your strike rate. Other guys apparently have better stats. How would you explain that?

That's the nature of H.A.R random entry into the cycle. But Matt come on, I am not going to get into a war with you about stats. As that's your thing. I left that on the other forum.

Besides its way too early to make comparisons. Trebor and Shogun have barely played 100 games. I have played over 6,000. There were periods of 100--150 games where I was running at 5/1 Matt.

People have to get hold of exactly what the term LONGTERM means. Because when its not all rosey for a 100 games. Alot of people have the habit of dismissing or dropping a method.

With a BUY IN of just 7 UNITS MATT. Its not meant to be big bang proof. Do you realize this? If you want something more in that league you head towards 8 ON 1 which BTW is now 585/0 And has not passed the third step in 85 games.

Another fairytale for you as you put it.

[shogun]

RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER 25/11/12
BETVOYAGER ONLY.

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 13

TOTAL GAMES WON 9

TOTAL GAMES LOST 4

STRIKERATE 2.25/1

DOUBLE LOSSES ZERO

TREBLE LOSSES 1

LONGEST WINNING STREAK 6



Hi Guys, these results are for Betvoyager. I will post My playtech live results next.

[TwoCatSam]

What's to stop an RNG casino like BV from sending you a bad string of results in advance if they see you are playing the same system every day for big stakes. Just the fact that they could (not saying they would) would be enough to put doubts in my mind.

Bally

I have wondered the same thing.  They would not look at it for nickels, but for $5 bets and up--they might.  My idea was to have two "winning--hak, kaf!" systems and randomly alternate them.  Then the RNG folks would not know what was coming.

Sam

AS A MOD:  GENTS, LET'S DEBATE ALL WE WANT BUT LET'S DEBATE THE IDEA NOT THE PERSON.  I WILL ALSO ABIDE BY THESE RULES.

[shogun]

RESULTS UPDATE FOR PATTERN BREAKER 25/11/12

TOTAL GAMES PLAYED 164

TOTAL GAMES WON 148

TOTAL GAMES LOST 16

STRIKERATE 9.25/1

DOUBLE LOSSES 1

TREBLE LOSSES ZERO

LONGEST WINNING STREAK 37



Hi Guys, these are my results for my Playtech live games. I had a run of 22 wins just before my double loss. The double loss hurt even more as i had increased my bet to recover from the first loss.
Strikerate is at 9.25/1 and i am still in profit.