Quote from: FLAT_IN_O on January 25, 2014, 10:04:39 AM
Teach me sir,step by step/as am illiterate with comp./how to send you my screenshots/that's how you call it,I think/of my real play...would that mean anything....thank you.

FLAT,


Unfortunately, this kind of evidence can easily be falsified. Either by manipulating the screenshot using graphics software, or, as is more commonly done by system sellers who include screenshots or Youtube videos of their play on their sites, by "cherry picking". This means that they play several sessions and then pick out the one which has given the best results - it isn't at all representative of a typical session.


I'm not suggesting that YOU would do any such thing, only that as "proof" that a system works, it's very weak.

@Bayes,

Excel's pseudorandom generator 2007 version was flawed.  If you were using this generator for the test trial, then it could be the reason for the false positive in Marshall Bing's Test.  Try using random.org.  If it's just another outside betting system, then I wouldn't waste my time testing it.

@ Turner,

Obviously a live wheel isn't set to payback at a rate that exceeds expectation.  The Dublin live feed should be fine for system testing.  My reference was to the RNG function games available in some online casinos. 

@ Flatino,

You can't win in the long run by betting on so many numbers.  19 to 22 numbers is far too many.  You need to slim that down to only a five or seven number arc at most.  Furthermore, an online wheel isn't going to work, since most of them are using RRS wheels.

When I looked at your data, the DS looked quite random.  I could find no reason for it to work.  I even compared similar spin directions at various frequencies. 

-Xander.

Quote from: Bayes on January 25, 2014, 04:10:47 PM

FLAT,


Unfortunately, this kind of evidence can easily be falsified. Either by manipulating the screenshot using graphics software, or, as is more commonly done by system sellers who include screenshots or Youtube videos of their play on their sites, by "cherry picking". This means that they play several sessions and then pick out the one which has given the best results - it isn't at all representative of a typical session.


I'm not suggesting that YOU would do any such thing, only that as "proof" that a system works, it's very weak.

Sir,
As have stated am computer illiterate,as mr.LANKY once said;I can hardly open my pant zipp,let alone those
posted ones......took me months to learn how to copy/past numbers in excel sheet.Will tray to learn how to
screenshot if I succeed to log in on DB again.Well I started this thread that missing albalaha,as have no one to argue with.......could with you after your indirect above suggestions,but rather watching first snow this year...and then am not in mood for arguing.....have a nice weekend,sir.

screenshot is very easy. Odin, dva, tri..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGG-58qnsnk

Quote from: iggiv on January 25, 2014, 05:56:59 PM
screenshot is very easy. Odin, dva, tri..

Sposibo Iggiv-----

You guys really hang on to the small stuff.

Get into the car...AND...go to the casino !!!!!


Ken

The most successful gambler's rely on the small stuff in order to get the edge.

Not what I meant. How many of the posts on THIS thread will HELP you at the CASINO?

Albalaha quit the boards...but why... what is his method? etc. Who gives a s**t?

Create YOUR OWN "decent" method, don't RELY on others so much.

Ken

QuoteNot what I meant. How many of the posts on THIS thread will HELP you at the CASINO?-Mr. J.

Very few. 

Quote from: Xander on January 25, 2014, 04:44:09 PM
@Bayes,

Excel's pseudorandom generator 2007 version was flawed.  If you were using this generator for the test trial, then it could be the reason for the false positive in Marshall Bing's Test.  Try using random.org.  If it's just another outside betting system, then I wouldn't waste my time testing it.

Xander,


I wasn't using Excel but the programming language's internal RNG, which uses the Mersenne Twister algorithm - by all accounts reliable (albeit a pseudo RNG).


Why do you assume that it was a false positive? All I'm saying is that he got a good result which was statistically very significant. Further testing might have shown otherwise, but it was over several thousand spins and the z-score was rising throughout the test. I thought you were a man of science? dismissing results because of prejudice doesn't sound very objective to me!

Bayes,


Mathematically, why should the system have worked in the first place?  How many bets were placed during the test?

Quote from: Xander on January 25, 2014, 04:44:09 PM


@ Turner,

Obviously a live wheel isn't set to payback at a rate that exceeds expectation.  The Dublin live feed should be fine for system testing.  My reference was to the RNG function games available in some online casinos. 

My misunderstanding. RNG....your totally correct.

its like "battle of the ego's" in here at the moment.


Its all a bit esoteric for me.


I like Bayes approach. Any negation is always backed up with a counter argument in full.


Nice work Bayes.

Quote from: Bayes on January 25, 2014, 09:29:56 AM

It was on rouletteforum.cc about a year ago when JL was making all those grand claims. I wrote some software which generated spins and the results were uploaded to a web site. There were problems with it but MBB (Skakus, as he is on rouletteforum.cc) got an impressive result - over 4 standard deviations if I remember rightly. JL lost his bank several times.

               Bayes, if it is the sole condition to prove a grail, I have 12 grails so far, at least  that has done such things or better. Was MBB's private testing results better than this : http://albalaha.lefora.com/attach/view/ma/c093426de06890dd4efff3cce576b7e7f6011e56.jpg


it is still documented and listed here: http://www.testmystrategy.com/contest_all.php?p=3


See the results from an open public document(not a darkroom testing)
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Starting bankroll=1000 units
bets made on 100,000 spins
Ending bankroll=6684
net profit=5,684 = 568.4%
max bet=32




Can anybody match?