Who will I argue with now...any takers....LOL...it's so boring without it.
What do you want to argue about? You start... :P
You could try arguing woth Kingsroulette....over at cc.
Same bloke.
"I'm your Huckleberry"
Love me or hate me but you can not forget me.
Well, you can talk over how to play marty or its variations in different names like Pattern Breaker and all that.
Talk about how patterns help you. Hit and run.
Many things as to how to keep losing more than win.
Long live fallacies and fallacies mongers.
;)
I missed his writing in large font size !
Al, we will never forget u. Talking about me personally i am thinking about you and your HG of HGs every time i go to sleep and every time i wake up. And at some other moments i will not mention because it will look awkward.
Tell us a bit more about your new HG of HGs, tease us a bit more and let us bite our tongues in envy. What kind of bets does it use? Inside or outside? Any specifics you can reveal?
This cat has nine lives. ( Wiseguy lingo)
9 lives and 2 lines
this guy hates too much attention, he left :(
Al, is your HG of HGs about flat betting?
It is a money management that can fight with worst probabilities till they get a little smooth. It is basically meant for dozen/column but can be applied on any bet of roulette.
So you use progression, right?
Quote from: Albalaha on January 23, 2014, 04:20:56 PM
Love me or hate me but you can not forget me.
Well, you can talk over how to play marty or its variations in different names like Pattern Breaker and all that.
Talk about how patterns help you. Hit and run.
Many things as to how to keep losing more than win.
Long live fallacies and fallacies mongers.
;)
got ya on a bait..never again you said...welcome back in the landilusia.
Quote from: Albalaha on January 23, 2014, 06:17:09 PM
It is a money management that can fight with worst probabilities till they get a little smooth. It is basically meant for dozen/column but can be applied on any bet of roulette.
What do you mean by money management ? for some it means different progressions and for others it means how you handle your money with win targets and loss limits.
Quote from: Sputnik on January 23, 2014, 06:27:20 PM
What do you mean by money management ? for some it means different progressions and for others it means how you handle your money with win targets and loss limits.
All of the above.
Reminds of a joke....
Man says to his mother...
"Mother, Im 56, I've never married, just lived here with you. I've never lived on my own....its time to leave and go and see the big wide world"
Mother says..."arnt you being a bit hasty son, you've always lived with me. You won't survive on your own."
Son says" This is it Mother, its ridiculous, I'm 56. Everyone makes fun of me...still living at home with Mother at 56."
He packs and leaves, shutting the door.
5 mins later he knocks on the door and Mother opens it.
He's stood there with a big graze on his knee and his pants ripped, crying his eyes out.
"Mum....I fell over ", he cries.
>:D
:)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :)) :))
Very funny thread. I guess everyone predicted right.
So this is a HG of all HGs. Right money management. No matter what u bet. Yeah....you can bet the same cold
dozen all the time and with right money management you will be ahead. Our bud Al is a black magician. He already said some time ago that he can multiply money, so he has it in his pocket. With right money management. So it won't fall down from his pockets. Yeah! That's a HG of all HGs. No matter what u bet.
Who said bet selection is important? It doesn't matter!
Quote from: Bayes on January 23, 2014, 11:23:50 AM
What do you want to argue about? You start... :P
Kiev....revolution....
Quote from: Albalaha on January 23, 2014, 04:20:56 PM
Love me or hate me but you can not forget me.
Dude!
I thought you had left the building!!!
Did you bring Elvis back with you from the casino?
AD (also, I can't reply over on your own board now)
who will warn me to not play martingale or chase fallacies????
Love me or hate me but you can not forget me.
Who said that??
I would like to see a progression for the even chances Mr Albalaha or at least a hint or clue to point us in the right direction. Were not dogs, you don't have to rub our nose in it
Right direction is not to believe fairy tales. How many times we heard the same story over and over again?
This HG of HGs is just another modification in long line of HGs, which were even sold by him but did not make anyone happy. Including himself by the way. Otherwise why he is coming back with new exciting stories?
Money management will help to defeat roulette on a long run?
Gimme a break...
he either lives in a phantasy world or just attracts public attention making up stories. or maybe both.
The only real thing he achieved is that we don't forget him. We do remember him. He is smarter than an average bear. Draws so much attention. This is a talent. But it has nothing to do with defeating roulette.
Even on short runs. If he were really able to do it, we would not hear from him much, he would be busy traveling and making money.
You guys do not believe me yet want me to tell about my HG. Why are you so confused?
I give you some hints (earlier also I did but someone starting shouting too much and I stopped)
:
1. Never think of beating any bet in very short span. It is not possible even with a million chips. Like you can think of earning something out of betting a dozen till 200 spins but not in 20-30 spins.
2. Look at number 3 wins/losses. Make a strategy which can survive and win through such dirty stretches of variance and overall bad hit rate. Make yourself prepared to face such situations.
3. Keep a reasonable bankroll. Don't think of beating and cutting through millions of probabilities with 100 chips in hand. That much is sufficient only to try luck.
4. If you can not do anything among these, seriously consider quitting gambling or only go for recreational gambling with spare money.
5. Stop writing silly methods everyday which will, in no way, help anybody to better the game. Great Grand Pa and Pockets claim to win my number 3 challenge. Analyse both of them and see if they really have changed anything that wins or merely reverse engineered the wins/losses in #3 particularly to show a "brute force attack" on it, somehow winning that particular scenario. If any of them can really beat #3, it should beat all other 37 numbers of Zumma book too and if it is true, it is worth following.
6. Superman claimed to have a grail (which he himself seems to be confused about explaining) that has won him a few thousand sessions without a single loss. He is quite a contributor (in his own beliefs) and can get you all out of your miseries. Gizmo did claim similarly and it was quite difficult to explain too (only God knows why) and finally he could be of no help to you towards getting a Grail.
The funniest grails I have seen was of Johnlegend, although he was only as much confused as anybody else here. He used martingale and grand martingale in his own style. Poor members still believed him even after Ophis put his methods in MST and it could easily be seen that his method is not at all a winner.
Quote from: iggiv on January 24, 2014, 03:43:10 AM
he either lives in a phantasy world or just attracts public attention making up stories. or maybe both.
The only real thing he achieved is that we don't forget him. We do remember him. He is smarter than an average bear. Draws so much attention. This is a talent. But it has nothing to do with defeating roulette.
Even on short runs. If he were really able to do it, we would not hear from him much, he would be busy traveling and making money.
Well said, iggiv.
In all my years on roulette forums, I've only come across one person who actually
demonstrated that he could achieve something that all the other braggers boasted about.
We badly need a put-up-or-shut-up facility in this forum, IMO.
QuoteYou guys do not believe me yet want me to tell about my HG. Why are you so confused? Allibaba
No, please don't tell us. Such power in our hands would simply destroy society.
Off the top of my head, these are the members who have made claims of consistent winning (at roulette):
1. Spike
2. Gizmo
3. Albalaha
4. Bayes :-[
5. John Legend*
6. Mr J
7. XXVV
8. superman
9. Marshall Bing Bell**
10. FLAT_IN_O
11. Ophis
* a demonstrable failure
** a demonstrable success
Quote from: iggiv on January 24, 2014, 03:43:10 AM
he either lives in a phantasy world or just attracts public attention making up stories. or maybe both.
The only real thing he achieved is that we don't forget him. We do remember him. He is smarter than an average bear. Draws so much attention. This is a talent. But it has nothing to do with defeating roulette.
Even on short runs. If he were really able to do it, we would not hear from him much, he would be busy traveling and making money.
I agree with that ...
LOL. that's a lalk of a person who does not care about accuracy of prediction. In reality if u got a sleeper, it is a big chance that this sleeper will sleep for long long time, and if u keep betting it like that it will kill your bankroll. Don't bet on sleepers. And Allabaha is talking exactly about betting sleepers... And if you bet on dozen which did not show up recently and you keep betting like this for 200 spins, there is A BIG chance that
this trend will stay for 200 spins. And you'll be done.
Kindergarten, that's what it is....
And I say this: if you don't bet too frequently, it is very possible that you achieve your goal on a first spin, and if you have favourable conditions it is very possible that you will win on a second spin too...You just have to follow what's goin on on a wheel...
Quote from: Albalaha on January 24, 2014, 04:14:26 AM
You guys do not believe me yet want me to tell about my HG. Why are you so confused?
I give you some hints (earlier also I did but someone starting shouting too much and I stopped)
:
1. Never think of beating any bet in very short span. It is not possible even with a million chips. Like you can think of earning something out of betting a dozen till 200 spins but not in 20-30 spins.
2. Look at number 3 wins/losses. Make a strategy which can survive and win through such dirty stretches of variance and overall bad hit rate. Make yourself prepared to face such situations.
3. Keep a reasonable bankroll. Don't think of beating and cutting through millions of probabilities with 100 chips in hand. That much is sufficient only to try luck.
4. If you can not do anything among these, seriously consider quitting gambling or only go for recreational gambling with spare money.
5. Stop writing silly methods everyday which will, in no way, help anybody to better the game. Great Grand Pa and Pockets claim to win my number 3 challenge. Analyse both of them and see if they really have changed anything that wins or merely reverse engineered the wins/losses in #3 particularly to show a "brute force attack" on it, somehow winning that particular scenario. If any of them can really beat #3, it should beat all other 37 numbers of Zumma book too and if it is true, it is worth following.
6. Superman claimed to have a grail (which he himself seems to be confused about explaining) that has won him a few thousand sessions without a single loss. He is quite a contributor (in his own beliefs) and can get you all out of your miseries. Gizmo did claim similarly and it was quite difficult to explain too (only God knows why) and finally he could be of no help to you towards getting a Grail.
The funniest grails I have seen was of Johnlegend, although he was only as much confused as anybody else here. He used martingale and grand martingale in his own style. Poor members still believed him even after Ophis put his methods in MST and it could easily be seen that his method is not at all a winner.
QuoteIn reality if u got a sleeper, it is a big chance that this sleeper will sleep for long long time, and if u keep betting it like that it will kill your bankroll. Don't bet on sleepers. And Allabaha is talking exactly about betting sleepers.[
Whatever clairvoyance you have earned over various forums to predict which is the "active" and which one is "sleeper" dozen, I did never say to bet that or anything about how to pick a dozen/column or any bet.
You want to increase the accuracy of your predictions, go and attend numerology courses. lol
@ Bayes,
You said that (Marshall Bing Bell**) has a demonstrable success with his grail. Where is that?
Albalaha, you don't know a half what you think you know. It is very real to predict the outcome to certain degree. But never consistently (unless you have a physical advantage, then it's a different story). Numerology has nothing to do with that.
I don't have to prove anything because i don't claim anything. So i don't corner myself into some ridiculous situation. And i don't need to draw attention like some with ridiculous claims which have nothing to do with reality.
I'll post just a few facts, then I'll step out of the way and let the big egos fight it out.
1. Absolutely nobody is going to win in the long run by using any kind of "triggers" in the random game of roulette.
2. Absolutely nobody is going to win in the long run by finding "just the right up as you lose progression" in the random game of roulette.
3. Systems based on the layout are a complete and utter waste of time.
4. Pi is best eaten, not played.
5. Playing sleepers on live wheels is the most efficient way that someone could lose at a rate that could actually exceed the house edge in the long run.
-Xander
Quote from: iggiv on January 24, 2014, 08:30:43 PM
Albalaha, you don't know a half what you think you know. It is very real to predict the outcome. But never consistently (unless you have a physical advantage, then it's a different story). Numerology has nothing to do with that.
I don't have to prove anything because i don't claim anything. So i don't corner myself into some ridiculous situation. And i don't need to draw attention like some with ridiculous claims which have nothing to do with reality.
You are not having anything to claim. We can never win by predicting in roulette. Roulette future outcomes are never predictable even slightly without using very sophisticated roulette computers. We can only speculate and not predict in a game of chance. Roulette can be either not "random" or "predictable", if you understand meanings of both terms.
"Albalaha, you don't know a half what you think you know." I know very well what I know and you can never know what is known to me. lol Feeling like sitting with kindergarten kids (most of the times). Nothing to debate. Just false ego and fallacies.
False ego and fallacies. Look who's talking. LOL.
If you want to wipe our noses, try to win the bet with Wizard of Odds. You will get 20k i think if you can beat a billion of spins. You don't have to win a lot. Just one unit after a billion of spins. If you will be in plus, you will get 20K and lots of fame. Cheap is talk...Go for a bet if you have a Holy Grail.
"We can never win by predicting in roulette. Roulette future outcomes are never predictable even slightly without using very sophisticated roulette computers."
I don't know what you know, but that's for sure what you don't know.
Quote from: Xander on January 24, 2014, 08:42:24 PM
I'll post just a few facts, then I'll step out of the way and let the big egos fight it out.
1. Absolutely nobody is going to win in the long run by using any kind of "triggers" in the random game of roulette.
2. Absolutely nobody is going to win in the long run by finding "just the right up as you lose progression" in the random game of roulette.
3. Systems based on the layout are a complete and utter waste of time.
4. Pi is best eaten, not played.
5. Playing sleepers is the most efficient way that someone can lose at a rate that could actually exceed the house edge in the long run on live wheels.
-Xander
Xander, They are not facts.....just a bunch of words.
You keep giving the forum a bunch of words.
Isn't...doesn't...wouldn't...can't....won't.
It needs qualifying....or its just a bunch of words
QuoteI don't know what you know, but that's for sure what you don't know.
Had you known anything, you wouldn't have bothered to question me how and whys.
Albalaha, i knew that your claims are empty. But i was curious what are u gonna tell us. Maybe something new. Nothing new under the moon. I know for sure that what you telling the world is B/S. But i still find it amusing.
You and your claims. You are never tired of this. Each time you come up with a HG, each time u claim you quit, u don't need the forums, and then long before the echo dies u r back. :)
U know it is funny to look from outside, but my guess is for u it may be not funny. You are obsessed with the idea, with the wrong idea. No problem for anyone but you.
So it's OK. I don't know anything. But i don't claim anything as well :)))
(https://betselection.cc/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fusers.eecs.northwestern.edu%2F%7Epred%2FImages%2Fnoble-medieval.gif&hash=95daad9adb91c6b23e3be69c5a91cf5fd84f510a)
Let's see if we can make this thread more interesting. Here you go guys, pick your weapon and fight to the death!
Now stick em Iggiv! Get em!
You totally misunderstood. I don't hate Albalaha. He amuses me. As many others i guess.
Quote from: Bayes on January 24, 2014, 06:49:51 PM
Off the top of my head, these are the members who have made claims of consistent winning (at roulette):
1. Spike
2. Gizmo
3. Albalaha
4. Bayes :-[
5. John Legend*
6. Mr J
7. XXVV
8. superman
9. Marshall Bing Bell**
10. FLAT_IN_O
11. Ophis
* a demonstrable failure
** a demonstrable success
Still do,with proofs of it and am sure albalaha will unchain this riddle..who ever do will be a winner...at least I offer half of the clue,Ali none....good luck
:rose:
You guys do know that playing in FREE MODE isn't the same thing as playing for real money, right?
Free mode is often set as a positive expectation game. It's just like many of the free slot machine downloads available online or on your droid/Iphone. Playing free mode isn't the same as the live game.
@Flatino,
What are your attachments supposed to represent? Proof?
Quote from: Xander on January 24, 2014, 10:27:51 PM
You guys do know that playing in FREE MODE isn't the same thing as playing for real money, right?
Free mode is often set as a positive expectation game. It's just like many of the free slot machine downloads available online or on your droid/Iphone.
@Flatino,
What are your attachments supposed to represent? Proof?
--Real play/flat bet,DB/there is more of it/until they simply made it impossible to play any longer.
No ban,but constant disconection..which is same.Dealer signatures.
Flatino,
Regarding your spreadsheets:
What do columns d and m represent?
Swerved
Quote from: Xander on January 24, 2014, 10:41:12 PM
Flatino,
Regarding your spreadsheets:
What do columns d and m represent?
-Wheel sectors 1-6
Which numbers are in each sector?
For example, sector 1? Is number one in sector one?
Quote from: Xander on January 24, 2014, 10:49:45 PM
Which numbers are in each sector?
For example, sector 1?
2,4,15,19,21,32.....zero always in...playing 19-22 numbers......17 splits/not diff.some doublets,tripl./
zero straight out......in all 18 chips...and one more clue;
L/W= 0
L/W = 18
W= 36
W= 54..tripl.
W= 74..quadr.........think you get it...good luck.
Playing 18 numbers via dealer's signature, on a wheel that alternates directions each spin, while not accounting for the change in direction?
I doubt it. 18 numbers is too many. It's unlikely that your edge would be high enough to enable such a wide betting arc.
Besides, last I heard Dublinbet was using a wheel with an RRS system (RRS stands for random rotor speed. On some spins it speeds up. On some spins it slows down.)
The attachment is a standard deviation graph showing the consistency of the DS for the first 5k spins of your samples. In short, it doesn't look good.
lol.....light the blue touch paper and stand well back
Wow the guy beat the number 3 challenge--that's aptitude
Quote from: Xander on January 24, 2014, 11:12:13 PM
Playing 18 numbers via dealer's signature, on a wheel that alternates directions each spin, while not accounting for the change in direction?
I doubt it. 18 numbers is too many. It's unlikely that your edge would be high enough to enable such a wide betting arc.
Besides, last I heard Dublinbet was using a wheel with an RRS system (RRS stands for random rotor speed. On some spins it speeds up. On some spins it slows down.)
The attachment is a standard deviation graph showing the consistency of the DS for the first 5k spins of your samples. In short, it doesn't look good.
--You miss it...as have stated,betting 19-22 numbers each spin...depends on the previous hit sector.
Carta canta,sir,no graphs.
Quote from: Albalaha on January 24, 2014, 08:19:04 PM
@ Bayes,
You said that (Marshall Bing Bell**) has a demonstrable success with his grail. Where is that?
It was on rouletteforum.cc about a year ago when JL was making all those grand claims. I wrote some software which generated spins and the results were uploaded to a web site. There were problems with it but MBB (Skakus, as he is on rouletteforum.cc) got an impressive result - over 4 standard deviations if I remember rightly. JL lost his bank several times.
Quote from: FLAT_IN_O on January 24, 2014, 10:19:07 PM
Still do,with proofs of it and am sure albalaha will unchain this riddle..who ever do will be a winner...
FLAT,
With respect, uploading some spreadsheets doesn't constitute a proof. The only convincing way is to play in actual or simulated casino conditions. i.e. The player doesn't know what spins are coming next and has no way of changing his decisions after they've been made. Anything else including testimonials, tabulated results etc, mean nothing.
Quote from: Bayes on January 25, 2014, 09:39:42 AM
FLAT,
With respect, uploading some spreadsheets doesn't constitute a proof. The only convincing way is to play in actual or simulated casino conditions. i.e. The player doesn't know what spins are coming next and has no way of changing his decisions after they've been made. Anything else including testimonials, tabulated results etc, mean nothing.
Teach me sir,step by step/as am illiterate with comp./how to send you my screenshots/that's how you call it,I think/of my real play...would that mean anything....thank you.
Quote from: Xander on January 24, 2014, 10:27:51 PM
You guys do know that playing in FREE MODE isn't the same thing as playing for real
So me and a friend log onto DB ...me for real...and him in free play. We both play same table and same bets. After 30 mins of play...we both have £100 profit because we played the same
How is this not the same?
....."because it isn't" won't do!
Quote from: FLAT_IN_O on January 25, 2014, 10:04:39 AM
Teach me sir,step by step/as am illiterate with comp./how to send you my screenshots/that's how you call it,I think/of my real play...would that mean anything....thank you.
FLAT,
Unfortunately, this kind of evidence can easily be falsified. Either by manipulating the screenshot using graphics software, or, as is more commonly done by system sellers who include screenshots or Youtube videos of their play on their sites, by "cherry picking". This means that they play several sessions and then pick out the one which has given the best results - it isn't at all representative of a typical session.
I'm not suggesting that YOU would do any such thing, only that as "proof" that a system works, it's very weak.
@Bayes,
Excel's pseudorandom generator 2007 version was flawed. If you were using this generator for the test trial, then it could be the reason for the false positive in Marshall Bing's Test. Try using random.org. If it's just another outside betting system, then I wouldn't waste my time testing it.
@ Turner,
Obviously a live wheel isn't set to payback at a rate that exceeds expectation. The Dublin live feed should be fine for system testing. My reference was to the RNG function games available in some online casinos.
@ Flatino,
You can't win in the long run by betting on so many numbers. 19 to 22 numbers is far too many. You need to slim that down to only a five or seven number arc at most. Furthermore, an online wheel isn't going to work, since most of them are using RRS wheels.
When I looked at your data, the DS looked quite random. I could find no reason for it to work. I even compared similar spin directions at various frequencies.
-Xander.
Quote from: Bayes on January 25, 2014, 04:10:47 PM
FLAT,
Unfortunately, this kind of evidence can easily be falsified. Either by manipulating the screenshot using graphics software, or, as is more commonly done by system sellers who include screenshots or Youtube videos of their play on their sites, by "cherry picking". This means that they play several sessions and then pick out the one which has given the best results - it isn't at all representative of a typical session.
I'm not suggesting that YOU would do any such thing, only that as "proof" that a system works, it's very weak.
Sir,
As have stated am computer illiterate,as mr.LANKY once said;I can hardly open my pant zipp,let alone those
posted ones......took me months to learn how to copy/past numbers in excel sheet.Will tray to learn how to
screenshot if I succeed to log in on DB again.Well I started this thread that missing albalaha,as have no one to argue with.......could with you after your indirect above suggestions,but rather watching first snow this year...and then am not in mood for arguing.....have a nice weekend,sir.
screenshot is very easy. Odin, dva, tri..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGG-58qnsnk
Quote from: iggiv on January 25, 2014, 05:56:59 PM
screenshot is very easy. Odin, dva, tri..
Sposibo Iggiv-----
You guys really hang on to the small stuff.
Get into the car...AND...go to the casino !!!!!
Ken
The most successful gambler's rely on the small stuff in order to get the edge.
Not what I meant. How many of the posts on THIS thread will HELP you at the CASINO?
Albalaha quit the boards...but why... what is his method? etc. Who gives a s**t?
Create YOUR OWN "decent" method, don't RELY on others so much.
Ken
QuoteNot what I meant. How many of the posts on THIS thread will HELP you at the CASINO?-Mr. J.
Very few.
Quote from: Xander on January 25, 2014, 04:44:09 PM
@Bayes,
Excel's pseudorandom generator 2007 version was flawed. If you were using this generator for the test trial, then it could be the reason for the false positive in Marshall Bing's Test. Try using random.org. If it's just another outside betting system, then I wouldn't waste my time testing it.
Xander,
I wasn't using Excel but the programming language's internal RNG, which uses the Mersenne Twister algorithm - by all accounts reliable (albeit a pseudo RNG).
Why do you assume that it was a false positive? All I'm saying is that he got a good result which was statistically very significant. Further testing might have shown otherwise, but it was over several thousand spins and the z-score was rising throughout the test. I thought you were a man of science? dismissing results because of prejudice doesn't sound very objective to me!
Bayes,
Mathematically, why should the system have worked in the first place? How many bets were placed during the test?
Quote from: Xander on January 25, 2014, 04:44:09 PM
@ Turner,
Obviously a live wheel isn't set to payback at a rate that exceeds expectation. The Dublin live feed should be fine for system testing. My reference was to the RNG function games available in some online casinos.
My misunderstanding. RNG....your totally correct.
its like "battle of the ego's" in here at the moment.
Its all a bit esoteric for me.
I like Bayes approach. Any negation is always backed up with a counter argument in full.
Nice work Bayes.
Quote from: Bayes on January 25, 2014, 09:29:56 AM
It was on rouletteforum.cc about a year ago when JL was making all those grand claims. I wrote some software which generated spins and the results were uploaded to a web site. There were problems with it but MBB (Skakus, as he is on rouletteforum.cc) got an impressive result - over 4 standard deviations if I remember rightly. JL lost his bank several times.
Bayes, if it is the sole condition to prove a grail, I have 12 grails so far, at least that has done such things or better. Was MBB's private testing results better than this : http://albalaha.lefora.com/attach/view/ma/c093426de06890dd4efff3cce576b7e7f6011e56.jpg
it is still documented and listed here: http://www.testmystrategy.com/contest_all.php?p=3
See the results from an open public document(not a darkroom testing)
[attachimg=1]
Starting bankroll=1000 units
bets made on 100,000 spins
Ending bankroll=6684
net profit=5,684 = 568.4%
max bet=32
Can anybody match?
Al!
If you had only one reliable winning method, you would not have to look for other stuff and discuss it at all. You would not need to sell you stuff. You would visit forums for entertainment only occasionally if at all. You would be busy traveling and making money as i said.
All this is b/s, Al. I am not sure that u realize it because it's possible that you convinced yourself that you have 12 or 144 Holy Grails. What a nonsense...Get real man, get real. You talk about fallacies and false egos. That's funny. That looks like a wolf is teaching bunnies to eat carrots instead of meat.
Haha
Iggiv,
It is nothing else but sheer frustration of yours. When I this grail or with ophis( that has beaten more than 10 millons spins if you trust Ophis at least), for that matter, I was not satisfied. Why?
All these were merely sufficient to prove that the game is beatable in long run even with reasonable bankroll and max bet but they were not practically playable in a real short session. That was something that always haunted me that my success in only partial. While Ophis got out of all forums after doing this and earning a few thousands euros every month running this 24x7 on three computers, I did not earn a cent from it.
I always wanted to do a real grail that can win in max 200 spins which a reasonable person can do with a reasonable bankroll and max bet. After doing all these researches, I always knew that I need only one thing to win, a money management (read progression, regression, stop roll and all) that can let me survive through worst losing stretches and worst average hit rate both running together. When I looked through what should be a model to test that upon, I saw #3 of american zumma book. A hit rate of 45.6 spins/win and a Standard deviation of -3.35, 329 hits only in 15000 spins. About 5 times it won in over 200 spins, about 10 times, it hit above 100 spins. It was a wow thing for me.
I opened an open challenge to see even a single person can help me by guiding me how to do this. None did. Bayes said, I have no idea how to do this. Gizmotron said, it is impossible (in my blog). Whoever tried to do this merely tried to reverse engineer the particular L/W in this and did not offer a general solution to this problem. Be it GGP or pockets, none moved even an inch towards beating such things. If you do not believe me, u can simulate them on any similar case, they will fail very badly.
Finally, I could devise a progression which can sustain and win such cases. I have a money management that can beat a dozen if it has only 40 hits in 185 spins. Chances to get less than 40 wins is 7 in 1000 sessions, mathematically(as Bayes confirmed me). Now, if I win 993 sessions and lose in 7 only and if I am not betting sky high to achieve this, isn't it a grail?
You Are someone who build your argument in lies. Is there any point in discussing with you. You don't have any grail until you come clear. You don't have any grail until you expose it here. Till that point in time your claim is as severe a lie as your other statements. How can you even sAy that the method that I posted fails without even checking. It wins for every number of Zumma. Yes all numbers. I am not hiding anything like you do. If anyone wants to discount my claim they can verify it themselves. You are just a plain liar and nothing else. I don't know why you are lying to yourselves.
QuoteIt wins for every number of Zumma. Yes all numbers.
Think twice before making such statements. First of all, your and GGP ways of solving the #3 are so vague that it will take a month to understand what u mean to say. Put your way of doing #3 in excel here, so that it can be seen step by step, if you dare to prove your point. Then I will put three more numbers of zumma, one among worst, one average hitting and one that is doing great. If you beat all with one single and unambiguous way( do not offer different solutions, seeing different problems), I will accept your supremacy over me. Do you have enough courage to take this?
Quote from: Albalaha on January 26, 2014, 04:31:06 AM
Can anybody match?
I did post my graph in the same session. You trolled the post and made to delete my results along with a few other posts.
You are number 279 there. Had you scrolled the page above you would have seen a number of people have beaten more spins with a better result. All I can say to you is Wake up mate. There is no point in wasting time here proving you are GOD. You will get nothing out of it. What if the 500 members here tell you that you have a grail? What do you get? You better go to the casinos and win some money and live your life. There is no point posting 1 cent last 10 day results from BV. I thought your MM can do better than that. Go and milk those casinos. Even after telling you are leaving All public casinos and then hanging around here. Are you a man of your words? Is there any credibility in your words? You decide yourselves. But someone warned you there is no point spending time discussing with you. I am taking the advice to the letter now. My last post in any of your discussions.
And you are someone who is showing your kiddings in my posts, showing your frustration only. Do you have any courage to prove what you just stated? If not, go and speak this to some kindergarten kid. You are making only fun of yours with your claims of winning number 3 as many others did. Simulate it for everyone to see or do not speak such lies ever.
Quote from: Albalaha on January 26, 2014, 05:34:13 AM
I will accept your supremacy over me. Do you have enough courage to take this?
:) I have the courage and openness to accept this challenge. But first of all you prove your word. Can you do this for your method as you say and prove that you are supreme? If anyone in that board says that it is not needed I will do mine first. Until that point in time, I can't so the work for you. There is a limit to being lazy and building on your false claims. If you have the courage to accept my challenge post your method. If you want to prove you are not lying post your method as I have done first. You don't even have to post number in an excel one by one. Just post your method. Then we are on equal grounds and I will take your challenge. Until that point in time you are just a plain coward who is lying and there is no point in any discussion. Friends is is fair? If anyone says it is not fair I will spend some more time and post my spin by spin results.
Quote from: Albalaha on January 26, 2014, 05:40:25 AM
it for everyone to see
It is there in my post for everyone to see. I didn't know that you can't read.
So far, whoever did any challenge of mine has done only reverse engineering, nobody has beaten any of them, by a real playable method making only fun of them, be it MBB doing my dozen challenge, Patternanalysis did my EC challenge and you and GGP claim to do #3 in funnier way than ever.
Had any of them been real, people would have benefited a lot from them. All those challenges are called, "Sessions from Hell" and if you beat any of them in a playable approach, you are "Angel from Haven".
Do not try to fool the forum and to fool yourself with your illusion.
Mr Albalaha. Don't try to fire away and talk unnecessary things and try to escape with your lies.
I accept the challenge. I will post spin by spin results of number 3 and any other number you post here. But. One condition. A battle is only fought if it is fair. I posted method. I will play it as I have posted. But you claim yourselves to be supreme. You seem to so want everyone to benefit. Why don't you post your method like I did. I will show then how to play my method spin by spin. Do you have the courage to fight with me and prove me wrong. If you can't accept this fair challenge better not continue with your lies and fool yourselves further as everyone in the forum except you seem to know that you are lying.
Pockets
Is your method the one where you bet on only one number for 36 spins and then wait for a hit? I can't find the thread, but I pretty much memorized it. (Snicker!) Where is that darn thread?
Anyway, you don't have to prove anything. No one does. No one can. No matter what you do some fellow can always ask, "Yeah? What about the next million?" And the bloke is right!
Sam
"If you want to prove you are not lying post your method as I have done first"
You Haven't posted a method but a joke, otherwise people would have jumped over that. Play in cycles of this and that and become a cyclone. Do not make fun of yourself, anymore.
If you want to give this forum one thing that can practically be used to benefit and you truly feel that your method beats all numbers of zumma, post that with illustration. Believe me, you will be a legend here and nobody will talk of albalaha, the scammer or albalaha the devil, ever.
Otherwise keep your gossip running.
Yes it is the one Sam. Sam I will dig the thread and post it. You are absolutely right Sam. And I know that and am grateful you said that. I never said I have a holy grail. All I am saying is it will beat any number you pick up from the 15000 spins of Zumma.
I completely agree with you about not proving anything Sam. But I am done with some growls. I am done with someone beating everybody with false claims. I am done with lies. I wanted to see if they can end. If you think it's futile, I will leave it here.
Quote from: Albalaha on January 26, 2014, 05:59:56 AM
"If you want to prove you are not lying post your method as I have done first"
You Haven't posted a method but a joke, otherwise people would have jumped over that. Play in cycles of this and that and become a cyclone. Do not make fun of yourself, anymore.
If you want to give this forum one thing that can practically be used to benefit and you truly feel that your method beats all numbers of zumma, post that with illustration. Believe me, you will be a legend here and nobody will talk of albalaha, the scammer or albalaha the devil, ever.
Otherwise keep your gossip running.
As usual running away with your lies without answering me directly. When a kid can't have its way the next trick is throwing some tantrums. Come on Albalaha. Answer me. Answe me directly.
I have the courage to take your challenge. Do you have the courage to make it fair? I posted my method. I showed the workings for set of spins on how to play it. Let it be a joke. I will show you spin by spin on how this joke will come positive after playing every number on Zumma 15k. But can you at least prove that you have a method?? Come on Albalaha answer me if you are telling truth. You don't have to be scared if you really have a method. You have to be only if you are lying. Are you lying. You said to prove supremacy over you. First prove that your method is supreme.
QuoteIf you think it's futile, I will leave it here.
Saint Pockets going to run away from the challenge. He made a magic potion and was about to display but things gone wrong, so magic potion evaporate and no longer have a magic.
You can only spread new set of fallacies and not any working principal, that can help anybody, even slightly.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 26, 2014, 05:56:57 AM
can't find the thread, but I pretty much memorized it. (Snicker!) Where is that darn thread?
Here you go Sam.
http://betselection.cc/general-discussion/musings-Albalaha-and-his-open-challenge/msg26119/#msg26119
Quote from: Albalaha on January 26, 2014, 06:10:31 AM
Saint Pockets going to run away from the challenge. He made a magic potion and was about to display but things gone wrong, so magic potion evaporate and no longer have a magic.
You can only spread new set of fallacies and not any working principal, that can help anybody, even slightly.
Am not going anywhere Albalaha. Answer my questions. Don't try running away by picking things. I am here and I can tell millions of times I accept the challenge. But answer my questions. Posts are ticking away and you are just runni g away. You have still jot answered me. Looks like you don't have a method. At least accept that you lied. You don't even have to post your method :). If you accept that you lied I will play it spin by spin. If you can't accept you lied post your method so that I can prove mine.
Only empty vessels make noise Albalaha. I read it somewhere.
In that topic he says: "Sorry, took sometime to go through the 15000 spins manually using this and hence did not reply on the post for a day."
He just made a suitable plug that suits a particular hole and forgot that this plug which is meant for a particular hole will be no good for holes of other sizes. This is exactly what everyone has done in all challenges of mine. IF pocket's claim is real and with a single method he can beat the best doing number 29 to worst doing 3, all, he can create a plug that can fit all holes but he won't tell any of you that. Why? Because, albalaha, who is a scammer by profession, did not show it either. He will only tell you cycles that will create cyclones in your mind or can fit in number 3 hole only.
Thanks, Pockets. Let me ask you point blank: Do you have a Consistently Profitable Bet? One that will make money today, tomorrow and next year?
Not asking you to post it, just if it exists.
Sam
Albalaha. I have answered ever question any one has asked in my thread. I am not hiding anything like you are doing. If anyone else asks me how to play for a number in Zumma I will answer them, but you.
Again you are running away. As I said posts are ticking and you are just trying to hide. I have not got a single answer from you. You are proving to be a coward and just lying. Answer me I again ask. I accept your challenge. I will run it spin by spin for every number you post. You have the courage to openly put your method for everyone to see and prove that you are not lying. Do you have the courage to tell everyone that you have been lying. I am making things easy for you. I am here. Not dunking anywhere. Don't behave like a kid Albalaha you are a grown up.
Unfortunately this is not your thread, so you can't just lock it and run away as you do. You are just waiting for the mods to do it for you so that you can run away with your lies as you always do. Go on Albalaha answer me directly. How many more posts before you can talk directly without throwing tAntrums.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 26, 2014, 06:21:49 AM
Thanks, Pockets. Let me ask you point blank: Do you have a Consistently Profitable Bet? One that will make money today, tomorrow and next year?
Not asking you to post it, just if it exists.
Sam
But I always believe in your words when you say 'Only time will tell'. I have been playing this right from the day I have posted and I have not lost a single session. But I don't know about tomm. I have also enhanced it to play 2-3 numbers based on advice given. I have also posted one variation of playing it in this thread. I do not have any problems posting any of the methods I play Sam.
"Not asking you to post it, just if it exists."
He would have revealed all magic potions but he won't since Albalaha did not do either. Guys, you can now blame me for not letting you have two HGs, one of albalaha, the scammer and one from Saint Pockets. Oh, I missed something, it is not a Holy Grail but it beats all numbers of american roulette, even if it has a Standard Deviation of -3 or more in 15,000 spins.
I am sure Albalaha may also be a reason behind superman, Bayes, Weddings, Gizmotron, MBB,XXVV and many others to either not show their respective grails to not so genius members and guests here or to prove logically as to why their methods are grails or even playable.
Quote from: Albalaha on January 26, 2014, 06:32:45 AM
"Not asking you to post it, just if it exists."
He would have revealed all magic potions but he won't since Albalaha did not do either. Guys, you can now blame me for not letting you have two HGs, one of albalaha, the scammer and one from Saint Pockets. Oh, I missed something, it is not a Holy Grail but it beats all numbers of american roulette, even if it has a Standard Deviation of -3 or more in 15,000 spins.
I am sure Albalaha may also be a reason behind superman, Bayes, Weddings, Gizmotron, MBB,XXVV and many others to either not show their respective grails to not so genius members and guests here or to prove logically as to why their methods are grails or even playable.
Albalaha. As I always said if anyone else but you ask me I will explain them. You are just classically running away again. As Bayes posted earlier, all membership in your list claim to have winning methods. All of them have posted hints on how to do it. Xxvv has a whole thread. He even posted how to play before deleting the post. Superman says that it is about money management but it is very fluid one. Weddings posted sessions from BV not once, twice, multiple times. He is claiming to run a profit sharing programme. How better can it get as he is just not selling anything but putting his skin in the game. MBb says play the first to reach five and you will win. No one is claiming that I will beat every 200 spins which is as ridiculous as it's author. You are just buying time for mods to block this thread before you can run away with your lies. Answer me Albalaha
As I said when kids don't get their way they throw their tantrums. When the tantrums are not heard they make a pity face. That's what you are doing now and you are doing it good. I bet you are a lawyer. Next thing they do is forgetting it and getting involved in something else. And that's what is going to happen you are just going to run away with yore lies.
I think this debate of I have a grail, no you don't, will go on indefinitely.
The only reason a person posts that they have a grail is to get recognition., whyelse would you say this.
If you have a grail then you have two reasonable choices, don't say anything and just make money or post your method and become legend.
However, even if you post a grail only a handful of players will recognize this. The casinos are not afraid, an industry that makes several billion per year. A grail will not even dent this figure, only a handful,will play. You can post your method fully explained, with long term tests results etc, only a handful will believe. It is not going to turn the world upside down.
Until a grail barrer posts their method there are only empty words.
If nothing else, play your grail method on one casino for six months, then please post a screen shot of your balance, at least you have something to back up your claims.
When Pockets saw me stopping my sports pick, he wrote: "Just a short message to Albalaha and any others who were following high probability picks, it was a good topic, Sumit was providing great picks, it's a pity he decided not to continue. There was lot of work that went in that topic and to me the decision to lock and not continue didn't sound good. A personal message for Sumit, you might want to take it or leave it. Buddy, live for yourselves. Like you, yourselves and only yourselves. if posting something is giving you satisfaction, why notice those distant barks. Just rephrasing your signature, only a genius knows how to turn noise to music. Decide yourselves whether you are a genius or a common man."
Now he says," As I said when kids don't get their way they throw their tantrums. When the tantrums are not heard they make a pity face. That's what you are doing now and you are doing it good. I bet you are a lawyer. Next thing they do is forgetting it and getting involved in something else. And that's what is going to happen you are just going to run away with yore lies. "
and reason behind both remarks being same : frustration due to inability to do anything and only lurking here and there to get something that can mint money effortlessly.
He dare not simulate what he said in his "way to beat number 3" because he knows that what he said was just a joke and using the same method in other numbers, it will fall flat. His excuse: he won't because albalaha is not showing his grail. What a clevera##.
I clearly State that his method is a failure in random sessions of similar nature and difficulty. He has just made a "suitable size fitting plug".
Any person can simulate his ideas(if one gets to understand what he meant to say first) and can see this.
QuoteBayes, if it is the sole condition to prove a grail, I have 12 grails so far, at least that has done such things or better. Was MBB's private testing results better than this :-Alababa
Alababa,
Here's why nobody is taking you serious. You don't post any math or descriptions that describe why your system could possibly be mathematically sound. Testimonials about past performance are meaningless, if you can't describe why your bets should perform better than expectation.
-Xander
My lord. I would like to politely point that Albalaha is not answering my questions directly. I have been asking that for ages. I would also like to politely point that he is keeping on making claims without proof. There is no point making long posts Albalaha. Do you have the courage to prove you are not lying. Of course not because you are lying. Soon the court will dismiss and you are just buying time talking things which are pointless and beating around the bush. I claim that I have a rose. I have shown the people my rose. I have made the people smell it. I am saying I am glad to give it to others so that they can dissect it and genetically prove that it is indeed a rose. You claim that you have a dog. You are neither showing it to people nor or you letting it bark. Only you are barking. How can one trust you that you are not lying.
Again am saying if anyone except you asks me I will explain them step by step spin by spin. I have already done that for Sam as he asked me. That post is for everyone to see. I can do that for any number you ask me to do. But you are asking me and others to prove it when you never post anything meaningful about your method. I still stand by you, as I have always told that I respect you for posts where you have talked sense. A simple example is overcoming variance post in your blog which max posted here. In fact if you have read my method of beating number 3 it uses this aspect. What I don't like is your double standards. When you can claim you have a Hh without showing anything why go after people when they do the same.
Enough beating round the bush. I have the courage to accept the challenge because I know what am doing. Are you man enough to make it fair and prove me wrong? Or are you just going to buy time before chris or max wakes up to lock the thred and run Away. I bet you will do the second. Go on prove me wrong.
QuoteMy lord. I would like to politely point that Albalaha is not answering my questions directly. I have been asking that for ages. I would also like to politely point that he is keeping on making claims without proof-Pockets
In short, most people believe that he's bloviating.
Quote from: Xander on January 26, 2014, 07:13:41 AM
Alababa,
Here's why nobody is taking you serious. You don't post any math or descriptions that describe why your system could possibly be mathematically sound. Testimonials about past performance are meaningless, if you can't describe why your bets should perform better than expectation.
-Xander
Do you feel that your empty talks helping anyone here? Someone said that he is beating something that nobody did earlier and even posted that in his way. Instead of simulating that himself or anybody else, people are distracting all from main issue. Does pockets actually win all numbers with his way?
I say no. Simulate it to get any conclusion, if anybody believes him (including himself). He has nothing to reveal something by whispering in someone's ears.
Moderator's comment
Fellow moderators, I suggest we keep this thread open whist it's reasonably civilized, and for as long as it takes for Albalaha to actually irrefutably prove his claims once and for all.
And to answer Pockets' patient questions.
It's finally time for Al to put up or shut up.
But wait... Is it really Al posting?
I think it's an impostor because Al clearly stated he was leaving the forum. ;)
Simulation on their own, aren't really proof of anything. There has to be a logical reason as to why a method/system can work.
Quote from: esoito on January 26, 2014, 07:34:56 AM
Moderator's comment
Fellow moderators, I suggest we keep this thread open whist it's reasonably civilized, and for as long as it takes for Albalaha to actually irrefutably prove his claims once and for all.
And to answer Pockets' patient questions.
It's finally time for Al to put up or shut up.
But wait... Is it really Al posting?
I think it's an impostor because Al clearly stated he was leaving the forum. ;)
Thanks for your understanding mods. I have nothing else to say and I will wait for Albalaha to answer me directly and not run away. I will wait for the answers. In between if anyone else wants any more explanation on the method I posted, ask me and I am more than happy to clarify
Quote from: Albalaha on January 26, 2014, 07:27:38 AM
people are distracting all from main issue.
Albalaha. Who is deviating from main issue. The issue is whether you can prove what you claim before asking someone to justify their claims. The issue is have you actually worked if out yourself before saying someone is wrong. You haven't even asked me once that you don't understand what I post before claiming that it doesn't work and is a joke. The issue is you are making false claims without proof be it your methods or others.
In fact Xander is just giving you a lifeline to distract and run away. Still waiting patiently - pockets.
Im bored--who is albihala?
Well Pockets, there pops 1 Q in my head :)
I have checked your thread.
The attacking is clear for me, but where do you get it to start betting with 6 units and then lower until 1.
Why not start with 10 units for example ?
Stef
I won't reveal till these guys who claim to have grails do:
1. Spike
2. Gizmo
3. Bayes
4. Mr J
5. superman
6.. Marshall Bing Bell
7. weddings
8. Saint Pockets
Anybody else? I will be 9th in the list to reveal what I have. Any problem?
By the way, Follow Saint Pocket's grail, as he said, can beat one and all.
A simulation will prove him or me wrong. I can put W/L of three other numbers whenever required.
QuoteIn fact Xander is just giving you a lifeline to distract and run away
He may be your role model. He looks me as empty as
Johnlegend and you.
QuoteAnd to answer Pockets' patient questions.It's finally time for Al to put up or shut up.
I have no reason to talk to U if you do not talk about me. All are same lurking and arguing genius. Nothing to prove, nothing to change the way you play. Not even a single genuine effort in that direction.
Empty talks beating around the bush. Time for you to tell the truth Al. Why have you not left all public forums. Now I have no choice but to believe others that it was a bait for people to buy your next method. Final time ask. If you don't post your method you are telling a lie and you are a liar. I am openly challenging you and taking on your challenge. If you can't accept the challenge it's an acceptance that you have nothing in the world of roulette.
And mr. albalaha, one who gets frustrated when his name is spelt wrongly should know how to call me just pockets and not Saint pockets and stop calling my method grail when I have never claimed it to be a grail. I have heard liars don't have manners and I can see it here in practice. One final time Albalaha. I give you chance to prove yourselves. I am not responding any more until you don't answer me directly. You can write an empty post on top of this and be content that you had your final say and live happily ever after or come clean with your lies and methods. Choice is yours.
Quote from: Xander on January 26, 2014, 07:46:05 AM
Simulation on their own, aren't really proof of anything. There has to be a logical reason as to why a method/system can work.
Yes, but supposing you don't know what that logical reason is, does that mean you should ignore all data which points to some hypothesis which isn't consistent with your assumptions?
In any case, there needn't be any contradiction in the maths, because mathematical probability doesn't work in a vacuum, it only "works" relative to some prior hypothesis (even if it's not explicitly stated). So for example, the binomial distribution is only appropriate if certain assumptions are satisfied, i.e. trials are independent and the probability of success is constant from trial to trial. Then there's the implicit assumption that probability is only valid in the "long run" (whatever that means).
Regarding MBB's system, you'll have to ask him. I don't know what his bet selection was, but there were at least 2000 placed bets.
QuoteOne final time Albalaha. I give you chance to prove yourselves.
There is an English adage, "beggars are no choosers". As everyone else has chosen not to reveal their methods, I am also not obliged to put my winning method here. What you have stated as winning #3 and all other numbers is plainly false and any sensible person can simulate it and let everybody know.
QuoteI don't know what his bet selection was, but there were at least 2000 placed bets.
What a great test. 2000 placed bets. I got scared. My 100k spins test (betting every spin) on testmystrategy and 10 millions spins on Ophis bet were not enough but 2000 placed bets concluded as HG. I thought Bayes to be the most sensible person here. It seems all frustrated gamblers of earth gathered here.
QuoteIf you don't post your method you are telling a lie and you are a liar.
It is like saying, if you do not give a million dollars to me, I will consider you a poor person.
If your so called method really beats #3 and similar cases, without reverse engineering with a standard bankroll and bet size, you do not need my HG. Do save the earth. If I am albalaha and not albalaha, you are Saint Pockets, a man who broke all the banks. lol.
Quote from: Albalaha on January 26, 2014, 09:55:46 AM
What a great test. 2000 placed bets. I got scared. My 100k spins test (betting every spin) on testmystrategy and 10 millions spins on Ophis bet were not enough but 2000 placed bets concluded as HG. I thought Bayes to be the most sensible person here.
Al, you're missing the point. Your 100k spins test wasn't conducted under controlled conditions. How do we know that you didn't "cherry pick" that sequence? We have only your word for it. Like I said, you can post any number of charts and tabulated results (just like the system sellers do) but it doesn't count for much.
And it doesn't help your case much that you have sold systems.
Two questions for you:
1. Have you sold systems in the past? please answer yes or no.
2. If the answer to (1) is yes, WHY?
Of course no-one is obliged to post their system here, but I think there should be rule that IF they brag that they do have a consistent winning method, they should either post it or submit to a test. That doesn't mean that they have to give anything away in terms of the specific method of play, only that they should show us (meaning do the test but not post the rules). Unfortunately we have no facility for conducting such tests on this forum - yet.
If a test is done properly and under controlled conditions, it's surprising how few trials you need in order to say that a result is significant. Consult any standard statistics textbook for details.
Quote from: Bayes on January 26, 2014, 10:17:50 AM
Al, you're missing the point. Your 100k spins test wasn't conducted under controlled conditions. How do we know that you didn't "cherry pick" that sequence? We have only your word for it. Like I said, you can post any number of charts and tabulated results (just like the system sellers do) but it doesn't count for much.
And it doesn't help your case much that you have sold systems.
Two questions for you:
1. Have you sold systems in the past? please answer yes or no.
2. If the answer to (1) is yes, WHY?
If you conduct a test of 2000 bets, it is "controlled condition" and not cherry picking and when I and Ophis simulate over 10 millions spins from various forums ( a few provided by you too), that is not "controlled condition". If we can pick "cherry" through bots of 10s of millions of spins spread over dozens of data, what kind of cherry picking is that?
I have sold my e-book and systems to not less than 100 members and guests of various forums and through youtube. You can't see even a single complaint of cheating. I have written one among them called "finest method of defeating roulette" openly and that was appreciated by all too. What kind of method utilize only 1000 chips to play through 100,000 spins betting all and winning 568% net profit? Try whatever u know and show one such result on a public domain like testmystrategy.com. Let me see how u cherry pick such wins.
Quote there should be rule that IF they brag that they do have a consistent winning method, they should either post it or submit to a test. That doesn't mean that they have to give anything away in terms of the specific method of play, only that they should show us. Unfortunately we have no facility for conducting such tests on this forum.
Charity begins at home. Pockets openly bragged that his method is beating all numbers of zumma from the best to worst. Why any of one can't simulate that, instead of so many arguments with me and preachings?
See this archive page which neither I manipulate,nor u
I got in their "hall of fame" for this : https://web.archive.org/web/20111229181728/http://www.testmystrategy.com/
Quote from: Albalaha on January 26, 2014, 10:59:50 AM
If you conduct a test of 2000 bets, it is "controlled condition" and not cherry picking and when I and Ophis simulate over 10 millions spins from various forums ( a few provided by you too), that is not "controlled condition".
You don't seem to understand what "controlled conditions" means, so I'll have to spell it out.
You can't know in advance what spins are going to come next, I would have thought that would be obvious. You can't change the outcome after you've placed a bet. Again, pretty obvious.
Any simulation done by Ophis is obviously disqualified as "proof" because these conditions haven't been fulfilled, but they WERE fulfilled in the test I did with MBB (and JL).
Regarding the "testmystrategy" site, I haven't looked at it in detail but it seems that you can "play" using pretty unrealistic house limits.
Another aspect of "controlled conditions" means that you shouldn't be able to bet in a way which would be unrealistic in actual casino conditions. Anyone can win using a martingale if they have an infinite bank. But how many people would actually have the nerve to place huge bets or tolerate massive drawdowns? A system which wins on paper is useless if it's unplayable in practice.
And you haven't answered my second question:
WHY are you selling the systems?
As for pockets, I haven't studied his system, but he's posted it in its entirety as far as I can tell, so what's the problem?
Bayes..why don't you take spins from a database of 10000 random.org or casino spins instead of an RNG
QuoteRegarding the "testmystrategy" site, I haven't looked at it in detail but it seems that you can "play" using pretty unrealistic house limits.
max bet =32, total bankroll=1000 chips, what is "unrealistic" in that?Further, I did it in public domain and not in anyone's personal computer. I had no way to "know" prior to my bet as to what would be the result.
QuoteAnd you haven't answered my second question: WHY are you selling the systems?
Why do people sell books? Three interests: 1. to earn money, 2. get recognition; and 3.to spread knowledge and awareness.
Why did Thorpe sold his book after winning all his life from "card counting"? All three reasons. Clear?
[quote]As for pockets, I haven't studied his system, but he's posted it in its entirety as far as I can tell, so what's the problem? The problem is his claim, to win what could never been done so far, except by "cherry picking" in your vocabulary or "reverse engineering" as I say of favorable odds. If his claim is as true as he claims, as a mathematics and gambling aficionado, don't you feel like evaluating this specially when he is claiming so openly and loud?
Quote from: Xander on January 26, 2014, 07:17:44 AM
In short, most people believe that he's bloviating.
Without a doubt.
Freeze the cat and let`s get it over with.
What are the mods afraid of ??? ?
[Edit: What a daft question...!!]
Quote from: Pockets on January 26, 2014, 06:02:09 AM
If you think it's futile, I will leave it here.
Pockets
I do not--in any way, shape or form--think it's futile.
Sam
Albalaha has one argument: if someone tries to say the truth about his "Holy grails" he says "it's frustration of yours". Oh yeah. As i said. i just wake up and think about his HG trying to bite my elbows. and the same i am doing when i am falling asleep. And the same while i am doing other things. Actually i will admit, i think about Al even in my dreams. 24/7 Albalaha frustration syndrome. LOL
What a talent to argue and draw attention! I think if he comes to a real casino, maybe for a first time, he will manage to get all attention at himself only. Without a winning a single dollar. Even with losing it. All attention will be his. Everybody will be frustrated with his Holy Grail. Especially he himself. LOL
the only problem is that he may try to sell his HGs again and someone will fall for it again as before.
QuoteBayes..you can't you take spins from a database of 10000 random.org or casino spins instead of an RNG-Turner
@ Turner,
Why not?
@ Alababa,
Bayes and Pockets have you in checkmate. Your bloviating isn't helping.
-Xander
ALI BOY,I HAVE ANIMATED YOU......
And you love it...mates now...LOL
bussy learning screen shot,then you can all see what a real holy gral is....that's why I haven't time arguing with you Ali.
Quote from: Xander on January 26, 2014, 06:07:56 PM
@ Turner,
Why not?
-Xander
Xander....it's a typo now I read it.
I was saying..."can't you do it?"
I wasn't saying "you can't do it."
Its this feckin tiny android keyboard vs fat fingers
Turner,
Yes, I soemtmies expeirnece the FFS (FAT FINGER SYNDROM) as well.
Quote from: Xander on January 26, 2014, 07:43:49 PM
Turner,
Yes, I soemtmies expeirnece the FFS (FAT FINGER SYNDROM) as well.
I edited it.
QuoteBayes and Pockets have you in checkmate. Your bloviating isn't helping.
keep barking. ;D
This thread begs the question: Do we still miss him?
i admit i am sometimes curious about his "findings", though i don't believe in them. It is more like a soup opera --what other crazy news he is gonna bring to public (no practical value at all, just amusement).
As for talking to him -- i don't miss him at all. He is not one u will have pleasure to communicate with. Rude, stubborn, no desire to listen to anyone but himself. And always trying to sell some scam this way or that.
Always full of himself and disrespect for opponents.
Just like now "keep barking".
But i don't hate the guy. I wish him all the best in his enterprises. Though i don't believe he will come to something practical. Always head in the clouds, building his sky castles and claiming shining victories.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on January 26, 2014, 08:01:20 PM
This thread begs the question: Do we still miss him?
The one word answer is "NO"
The two word answer is "ABSOLUTELY NOT"
The three word answer is "NOT F'ING LIKELY".
Are there any advances on three....?
Quote from: Albalaha on January 26, 2014, 10:59:50 AM
What kind of method utilize only 1000 chips to play through 100,000 spins betting all and winning 568% net profit? Try whatever u know and show one such result on a public domain like testmystrategy.com.
Albalaha, here you go. See the following.
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Starting bank roll 1000, played 100,000 spins. Ending banking roll double what you have achieved. And you will be falling on the floor, if I say this is all flat betting.
You asked me to show one result and I have shown one. You want multiple? I can do variations of this. Now what?
You are missing Bayes's point here. Sites like testmystrategy.com is flawed. They don't simulate casino conditions. Does getting a double profit than you in testmystrategy.com makes my strategy better than yours. NO! This is what you are failing to understand Albalaha. All your research and years you have spent is waste if you cannot understand this.
Nice graph I did you manage that?
Quote from: NathanDetroit on January 26, 2014, 04:48:19 PM
Freeze the cat and let`s get it over with.
What are the mods afraid of ??? ?
[Edit: What a daft question...!!]
The thread remains merely for its entertainment value at the moment.
AD
Quote from: Pockets on January 27, 2014, 02:38:31 AM
Albalaha, here you go. See the following.
Starting bank roll 1000, played 100,000 spins. Ending banking roll double what you have achieved. And you will be falling on the floor, if I say this is all flat betting.
You asked me to show one result and I have shown one. You want multiple? I can do variations of this. Now what?
You are missing Bayes's point here. Sites like testmystrategy.com is flawed. They don't simulate casino conditions. Does getting a double profit than you in testmystrategy.com makes my strategy better than yours. NO! This is what you are failing to understand Albalaha. All your research and years you have spent is waste if you cannot understand this.
Pockets,
You have contradictions in your statements in what you posted and what I can see.
First, u said, u did it Flat bet, That is a plain lie. Even a myopic person can see your max losing bet to be 45 units. So, you are only defrauding yourself with your silly claim of doing flat bet.
2. Testmystrategy nowhere contains your name/email in any test done with any such profits. If I show a picture of a man holding wimbledon trophy and tell all that it is me, only blinds will believe that.
If you have such great ideas, why are you following silly forums or people like me or anybody else? Earn thousands of Euros daily and let your ideas make other frustrated people get rich too. You are only making them more frustrate than ever. You are leading the frustrated players' league. lol
Enlighten them Pockets.
Quote from: Albalaha on January 27, 2014, 04:23:27 AM
First, u said, u did it Flat bet, That is a plain lie. Even a myopic person can see your max losing bet to be 45 units.
Can anyone except Albalaha see the max losing bet as 45 units.
Albalaha - How low can you get to prove your claims. Writing in big font so that you can read. Check the picture again, the maximum losing bet is 15 units. Maximum profit bet is 45 units. My base bet is 5 units. I bet on 3 double streets that is my bet selection. So when my selected double streets win I got a profit of 45 units. I didn't know I had to explain Kindergarten to you. I thought you were a profound researcher. Quote from: Albalaha on January 27, 2014, 04:23:27 AM
2. Testmystrategy nowhere contains your name/email in any test done with any such profits. If I show a picture of a man holding wimbledon trophy and tell all that it is me, only blinds will believe that.
I thought you are only roulette illiterate. Never thought you are computer illiterate as well. You don't have to register yourself in test my strategy to test your strategy. First of all you try registering, for some reason the functionality is not working. So everyone posting results as "anonymous" these days. Secondly, click the link www.testmystrategy.com (http://www.testmystrategy.com/). First page you will get January toppers. My result is number 9 there. 100,002 spins and 9420 profit. Go and see for yourselves. don't stoop further down by saying am lying when the proof is infront of you.
Quote from: Albalaha on January 27, 2014, 04:23:27 AM
If you have such great ideas, why are you following silly forums or people like me or anybody else?
First of all who said the forum is silly? Are you saying betselection.cc is silly? Then you are wrong.
Second who said am following you. Am following the ideas you posted when it make sense. Any body else. I follow people right from bayes to ignatus, esoito to twocat, turner to mbb, superman to ralph. I am what am because of this. The idea I tested here is
not mine. It is one of the double street ideas posted in the forum, but followed on unconventional double streets.
Quote from: Albalaha on January 27, 2014, 04:23:27 AM
You are only making them more frustrate than ever.
The only person who is currently frustrated in the whole world seems to be you. Looks like reality is biting.
QuoteMy base bet is 5 units. I bet on 3 double streets that is my bet selection. So when my selected double streets win I got a profit of 45 units.
What a strange mathematics. Even aliens do not have such developed science. You bet 5x3=15 (three double streets equally) and get a profit of 45 units, at once. Wow. In all my experience, your max win should be 15 units in such cases. Even if you bet only one doublestreet with 5 units, u can earn 25 units max.
Maybe superman can solve your mathematical theories of betting flat bet, this way.
Quote[/size]The only person who is currently frustrated in the whole world seems to be you. Looks like reality is biting.[/size]
Three posts on me here and three in rf.cc and guess who is frustrated over what. lol
Quote from: Albalaha on January 27, 2014, 08:17:17 AM
Three posts on me here and three in rf.cc and guess who is frustrated over what. lol
Another example of your maturity and why you should remain modest. Let me give you an example. When Oscar pittorious shot dead his girl friend every newspaper had it on front page. Were the news makers frustrated. Were the readers frustrated. No it is excitement for them. The person who was frustrated was oscar.
Read it once more. Someone needs to bell the cat. Let it be me. You are just an entertainer and great at it as iggiv rightly said. People have 3 posts here and 3 posts in rf.cc not because of frustration, but for entertainment and fun. Wake up my friend. wake up.
Quote from: Albalaha on January 27, 2014, 08:17:17 AM
What a strange mathematics. Even aliens do not have such developed science. You bet 5x3=15 (three double streets equally) and get a profit of 45 units, at once. Wow. In all my experience, your max win should be 15 units in such cases. Even if you bet only one doublestreet with 5 units, u can earn 25 units max.
Albalaha. I thought you are a researcher and experienced player. I didn't know you are just a rookie. Lol.
Kindergarten Lesson 1. What is a double street. Two adjacent streets make a double street, so that you can place one combined bet on all 6 adjacent numbers in a carpet. 1-2-3-4-5-6 is one double street. 4-5-6-7/8/9 is another. Got it?
Kindergarten Lesson 2: I bet 5 units on 1-6, 5 units on 4-9, 5 units on 25-30. Three double streets. 15 units out.
Number 4 spins. Win on two of my bets. 60 in.
Net profit = 60-15=45 units.
Got it? Albalaha - if you don't know things ask. Don't just jump into conclusions and false claims. Be modest. There used to a saying, "What you know is only a handful and what you don't will always be as vast as an ocean"
Al, I've put my suggestion to the other mods and Vic (that all braggers should be required to demonstrate the truth of their claims, especially if they're selling systems) and I hope they'll agree with me.
There's nothing in place yet here to facilitate that kind of test, but in the meantime I suggest that if you want to prove that your system is all you say it is, you should PM me the rules and I'll code it. Then I'll run it against random.org spins and post the result here.
BTW, I'm not against system selling per se, but I don't see why any member should use this forum for advertising something which could be complete garbage.
QuoteI bet 5 units on 1-6, 5 units on 4-9, 5 units on 25-30. Three double streets. 15 units out. Number 4 spins. Win on two of my bets. 60 in. Net profit = 60-15=45 units.
So, you have overlapping bets too? How can I guess that? If someone says I bet 3 numbers with flat bet 1 unit each time on straight up and I won a net profit of 69 units, I can never guess that u bet two units on a single number.
If it is really flat bet, as you say, it is commendable. :thumbsup:
Quote from: Albalaha on January 27, 2014, 09:19:38 AM
it is commendable. :thumbsup:
Albalaha, That was not my point and that was not my intention. All I am saying is that the testmystrategy testing is flawed. One cannot boast having a grail based on results from it. that's what i want to prove
Bayes,
I used to respect you and you are among a very handful of members whom I felt like consulting or debating a bit.
First of all, I am not selling any system and my blog has clear announcement in this regard including this place
Secondly, members here are barking over me causing me to retaliate and answer.
Thirdly, I am not bragging of anything just wrote in a single post that I have beaten #3.
Fourthly, Pockets did a similar claim and nobody including you bothered to test that then why are u so much worried to test that of mine? I can do that myself and do not need certification from you.
Fifthly, prior to jumping over me, ask all others that you listed yourself as claimant of Holy Grail to reveal their methods or leave this space.
Sixthly, a few of the holy grail claimants including you, MBB(@skakus@ billion loudspeaker@bombus) and MrJ
are either present of ex-commanders (global moderators) of a jailbird scammer. Do you have any morality to ask your Patron to prove whether his genuinefailure works or not?
Al, sorry, that won't do.
QuoteFirst of all, I am not selling any system and my blog has clear announcement in this regard including this place
Then why the signature with your email address in it? Don't bother to answer.
QuoteFourthly, Pockets did a similar claim and nobody including you bothered to test that then why are u so much worried to test that of mine? I can do that myself and do not need certification from you.
<sigh>, do we really have to go through this again? pockets has posted his system so anyone can test it for themselves. You, on the other hand, haven't. Get it?
QuoteFifthly, prior to jumping over me, ask all others that you listed yourself as claimant of Holy Grail to reveal their methods or leave this space.
No-one else is such a blowhard about it as you, neither do they boast in their signature and include an email address.
Quote
Sixthly, a few of the holy grail claimants including you, MBB(@skakus@ billion loudspeaker@bombus) and MrJ
are either present of ex-commanders (global moderators) of a jailbird scammer. Do you have any morality to ask your Patron to prove whether his genuinefailure works or not?
For the record, I resigned my mod status and left rouletteforum.cc shortly after Steve H. took over.
QuoteFor the record, I resigned my mod status and left rouletteforum.cc shortly after Steve H. took over.
Really?
I can see your current status here as this,
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So Bayes,
You are not just a member in rf.cc but active one and moderator or maths section and a global moderator otherwise.
For records, Victor did state that he has quit rf.cc forever but he is very active there.
Why are you pampering a jailbird scammer openly, if you have a crusade against them?
Any answer?
Here is Victor in the Sister Community.
[attachimg=1]
Albalaha,
What do you hope to achieve by trying to discredit people like Bayes and Victor in such trivial ways?
Now you're starting to irritate me. My last post at rf.cc was on December 05, 2012. Like I said, I asked Steve to delete me from the forum shortly after he took over, and I haven't tried to login since. It's not my problem if there is some residual data on that forum. Unfortunately, owing to Victor's prior commitments to Steve H., we have to put up with the popup ad here, but hopefully that won't be around for too much longer.
All this is quite irrelevant anyway. It's seems that you've adopted the strategy that attack is the best form of defence, and I note that you've ignored my other responses.
So, to make it crystal clear, either you remove your current signature and email address, or you post your system, or let me code it.
It's your choice.
Quote from: Stepkevh on January 26, 2014, 08:08:09 AM
Well Pockets, there pops 1 Q in my head :)
I have checked your thread.
The attacking is clear for me, but where do you get it to start betting with 6 units and then lower until 1.
Why not start with 10 units for example ?
Stef
Stef,
This is to handle variance. The challenge was to beat with a table limit of 100. Taking 6, will allow me to do 1x, 2x, 4x, 8x and 16x with an aggressive progression or go 1x,2x,3x, 6x, 12x with a medium one or 1x, 2x, 3x, 4x, until 16x for slow one. If I take 10, then i will be cut off after 8x, at the max 10x.
I have no business to stay in such forums with double standards. Why can't you or Victor or MrJ or Bombus@MBB@billionloudspeaker@skakus ask Lord Steve to prove that his genuinefailure system which he is selling for $2500 works or not?
Go and write testimonials for him and get your commission. I have no need to stay here or in any forum. If you can not control the mob mentality here, delete my account. I know that you are only here to promote the agenda of Steve that only roulette computers win and my claim can harm his business(scamming).
Quote from: Number Six on January 27, 2014, 10:30:55 AM
Albalaha,
What do you hope to achieve by trying to discredit people like Bayes and Victor in such trivial ways?
I am only answering the blatant attack on me. Who the hell has given even a single winner method here that has any statistical edge, if played in long run?
Why should I put my HG here? Whoever did that were proved to be either wrong or confusing,so far. Mine is mathematical and logical. Not a subjective holy grail but a pure one.
Is there any chance the H can be changed to a Z? It seems more appropriate at the moment.
Quote from: Albalaha on January 27, 2014, 11:42:06 AM
Mine is mathematical and logical. Not a subjective holy grail but a pure one.
Then go and play it. No one here is going to salute you. Can't you see that. If you really have done what you say you have then leave, make millions and live happy ever after.
Quote from: Blood Angel on January 27, 2014, 01:30:00 PM
Then go and play it. No one here is going to salute you. Can't you see that. If you really have done what you say you have then leave, make millions and live happy ever after.
I am quite doing that but frustrated people are shouting too much of my name on forums. Stop this and debate something else that can fetch u some profit.
You guys are worse then women you sound like ckickens clucking ,moderator why let this stupid debate go on. He said she said what the f.
Please let the debate go on. Bayes has put his foot down, or so it would seem.
Quote from: Albalaha on January 27, 2014, 11:31:07 AM
I have no business to stay in such forums with double standards.
Al,
I do believe we've heard that particular refrain several times now, but you keep coming back for more!
If I was "keeping score" of this very odd debate, I'd say you're losing on points at this particular place on the timeline.
AD (I felt left out of the conversation and had to add something!)
Quote from: Albalaha on January 27, 2014, 11:31:07 AM
I have no business to stay in such forums with double standards. Why can't you or Victor or MrJ or Bombus@MBB@billionloudspeaker@skakus ask Lord Steve to prove that his genuinefailure system which he is selling for $2500 works or not?
Al, are you being offensive or merely stupid?
There is no double standard in this forum. In case you haven't noticed, Steve's ad is not about any system costing $2,500, but a free system, the rules of which are given when you sign up. You and anyone else is free to do that and report back whether it's any good or not. I for one am not interested. As I said, Victor has an obligation to Steve to have the ad here, at least for the time being, but it's not something he or any of the mods are happy about.
QuoteI know that you are only here to promote the agenda of Steve that only roulette computers win and my claim can harm his business(scamming).
And just how do you "know" that? please point out a post or any evidence which indicates that I or any of the others you mention have this "agenda". You won't find any.
QuoteWhy should I put my HG here? Whoever did that were proved to be either wrong or confusing,so far. Mine is mathematical and logical. Not a subjective holy grail but a pure one.
Again, you're not listening. I didn't say you had to post it here, and I even offered to code it for you. If you're so confident in it I would have thought you'd jump at the chance; think of the publicity it will give you when I post the amazing results. Sales will go through the roof, and you'll get the recognition you feel you deserve.
Whatever you decide, I'm asking you politely to remove your signature and email address. This forum does not allow spamming, especially not of unproven gambling systems.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2eMkth8FWno
the guy has 12 Holy Grails and still prefers to argue in the forum about 'em in forums rather than playing in casinos. That's must be something from a soup opera.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdYF8NhEDn0
Quote from: Bayes on January 27, 2014, 04:04:39 PMI'm asking you politely to remove your signature and email address.
Via media (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_media) here:
Signature MSG removed, but contact email kept (Since just an email link by itself doesn't convey anything else than, well, an email address --I have mine in my signature too, for instance).
Cheers.Vic
QuoteAgain, you're not listening. I didn't say you had to post it here, and I even offered to code it for you. If you're so confident in it I would have thought you'd jump at the chance; think of the publicity it will give you when I post the amazing results. Sales will go through the roof, and you'll get the recognition you feel you deserve.
Bayes, people are turning mad over this and why I am not revealing what I have and what I claim. If you can recall, a few days back, I asked you a mathematical question regarding probability of happening and non-happening of something. I plainly asked u as to how likely it is to get less than 45 wins of a dozen in a span of 185 spins? You described it in detail and if I am not incorrect, you said that 99.3% (only 7 in 1000 sessions can be an exception) I should get any number of hits from 40 to 80 of any single dozen in a span of 185 spins. That is roughly a range of -3 SD to +3 SD.
Now, I can beat this situation below a bet of 100 units (in whatever style 40 hits come). The worst drawdown, I can see is -200. My average winning per session is 100 units. I will surrender a session if it somehow reaches -300 or more and retry from there. Now, is it an HG? Anybody who can get things set in this odds have a grail of his own. There is no need of coding this, to test. It is a very simple progression that even a 10 years kid can count and apply.
You can see that Ophis has left public domain, after HG bot. He told me to do the same, that time. I was happy to see millions of spins going down drain against my mathematical approach but yet I wasn't fully satisfied. just two days later, I could beat both books of zumma baccarat, with altogether different approach.
As you pointed out, there are certain methods which can be proved but not played (manually at least). I believe that nobody till date has beaten more than 10 millions spins with any mathematical manner and without any kind of reverse engineering (cherry picking) apart from me and Ophis.
So, my grails (which were displayed in testmystraegy and bot made by Ophis) were practically useless for me. I do not like to wait a few thousands spins or a few hundred hands of baccarat just to get a trigger to place my bet. I wanted to have something that can win 99% or even more sessions within 200 spins max (that anybody can play in any casino or online) and when it loses 1 session out of 100, it doesn't lose winning of 99 times.
I started tracking as to what is most obvious expectation within 200 spins that I can target. Obviously, ECs and dozens/columns can do that best. I kept my researches on and kept putting various challenges around this. Whoever beaten any such cases merely tried to fit a suitable size plug in suitable size hole. You can go through them and if u have even a little sense of maths, if u will see they were illogical ways to do them. The challenge was not to beat a situation by seeing a particular "weak" side of that. A little shuffling of wins/losses would have made claimants look funny.
Anyhow, it is not a rocket science what I did and u can't do. Pockets has openly claimed to beat #3 and all sessions alike with one strategy. He PMd me for zumma numbers w/l chart and I gladly passed that to him. Now, ball in his court. He may realize that whatever he did through #3 won't hold on other similar cases. May be I am wrong and he actually beat all numbers. Wait and watch.
Hello Al,
It seems that you are very determined to convince others you have a realistic grail for live play.
This debate will go on indefinitely.
I remember when JL took up a challenge and played on the casino account of Superman, I think we all remember this.
The only way you are going to convince anyone you have the grail is to either reveal it ( which only a few will play) or take up a challenge like JL did.
I am sure there will be enough people who will allow you to play on their casino account. All profits go to you. We will have to set win goals etc.
What are your thoughts on how you can realistically convince people you have a grail?
Dear AMK,
JL was only working on martingale and grand martingale type stuff which are proven failures. I do not pity just him but his followers too. When I simulated his way with Ophis MST, it was clear like a glass that it is based upon a failure idea.
I wonder that someone even did need to simulate to understand that a martingale is surest way to lose max and win least, in whatever trigger you play that.
My HG is based upon clear target:
If I get only 45 or even 40 wins of a dozen in 185 spins, i.e. -3 SD
can I win such session?
wins may come in any scatter or cluster
I am not using any progression like martingale because I know that a dozen may drag me as long as 36 spins, for a win, once in a while.
and I am not relying on a cluster of wins either, so regression or something like Oscar Grind won't help me either.
Regarding proving my grail, I do not think I need to do that. Even if I prove this by playing in someone's account, will it fetch me a Nobel Prize?
I am not saying I am a genius who did this and there can be no match. I can teach all basics to all of you very clearly (apart from progression), if all those who are making fun, apologize here.
In my last 5 years on various forums, I have yet to see/read any method which is even worth trying mathematically or logically. Everyone is showing a favorable session where it can win, be it a newbie forum member or known book authors. Everyone is saying play this and that. Nobody can answer why should we play that and how will it be beneficial. I asked from Johnlegend to Izak Matatya, Gizmotron to Kimo Li, Bayes to GLC. Everyone says, it should work but can't explain why.
I don't know Al.
Your debate with others over your grail or their grail will go on for eternity.
You will not reveal your grail or take up a challenge.
I don't think anybody is going to apologize to you.
If you wish to help others regardless of criticism, then you should just start a thread in which you reveal your basics of your grail. State at the beginning of your thread that you will be very selective with answering questions, only polite ones etc.
As for me I wil only pay attention to this new thread, I cannot gain anything from people claiming they have a grail etc etc
I still have to review pockets method explanation but I assume it exists. He is willing to reveal his grail.
As I have said before if you release a grail only a few will believe you. I mean come on, you have the grail, sure.
You can show all the stats and graphs you want, how can anyone confirm your results. They can't only programmers can. Even if they report back, yes it passes all "somebody" has do to is say, this doesn't work, tested it long term and doubt will be forever there.
If a person does have a grail then I feel this person has a moral obligation to do right. This person can start numerous development projects etc it is not only about this persons financial gain anymore unless they have no conscious.
Quote from: AMK on January 28, 2014, 07:24:51 AM
If a person does have a grail then I feel this person has a moral obligation to do right.
Personally I don't agree with this, but that is just me. Anyone who has a grail would be stupid to reveal it, once too many people know it the casinos would just change the rules so it can no longer win.
However, having said that, Albalaha, has constantly criticised anyone who claims to have the grail for not revealing it, therefore he is a hypocrite and should either shut up, piss off or do as AMK suggests and submit to an independent challenge on someone else's casino account. This way he can't cheat by making extra deposits when he loses his BR as JohnLegend did.
Quote from: Albalaha on January 28, 2014, 06:39:52 AM
In my last 5 years on various forums, I have yet to see/read any method which is even worth trying mathematically or logically. Everyone is showing a favorable session where it can win, be it a newbie forum member or known book authors. Everyone is saying play this and that. Nobody can answer why should we play that and how will it be beneficial. I asked from Johnlegend to Izak Matatya, Gizmotron to Kimo Li, Bayes to GLC. Everyone says, it should work but can't explain why.
Al, there have been plenty of threads on various forums over the years devoted to tackling this problem. I've raised it myself more than once and have provided computer generated "sequences from hell" for members to test their MM skills on. In particular, there was a long thread on rf.cc a couple of years ago called "beating roulette with math" or something like that. This was based on a thread in the old VIP forum back in 2004 (Mr J might remember it) in which a member called "Perkin" explored a modified labby which was designed to beat the worst-case scenario over 200 spins on the ECs (around 65 wins).
The reason you aren't going to win any popularity contests here, and why few will mourn your passing (if you decide to leave - finally), is because of your negative and demanding attitude. In all honesty, I can't see what you're trying to achieve with the constant sniping and belittling of other members, the demands that they come up with a HG, and also that they recognize your "achievements" (which haven't been demonstrated, only boasted about), not to mention the hypocrisy, as pb65 has pointed out.
You may not be interested in being Mr popular, but just think about that before you start complaining that other members are "attacking" you.
Quote from: VLS on January 27, 2014, 10:17:58 PM
Via media (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Via_media) here:
Signature MSG removed, but contact email kept (Since just an email link by itself doesn't convey anything else than, well, an email address --I have mine in my signature too, for instance).
Cheers.
Vic
But you are the boss Vic.
Hello pb65,
I didn't mean this person should reveal it only that they should use the grail to also do good with not just selfish greed for more money for oneself.
Al, it is possible for Ophis to create a bot which can be rented out. You guys create a website and here people can rent the bot. The bot can be made so that placed bets are not seen as well as the screen. The bot just runs. After a month another payment has to be made.
You can earn much more money this way then playing yourself or having one or two bots play for you.
I don't see why this project could not work.
Quote from: FLAT_IN_O on January 28, 2014, 09:39:30 AM
But you are the boss Vic.
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An email address by itself doesn't say much. I stand for it. Context is everything :cheer:
By the way, this thread is soon to close. Main point has been conveyed and the useful spawned discussion can be better served by means of new dedicated threads.
Quote from: VLS on January 28, 2014, 10:06:45 AM
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An email address by itself doesn't say much. Context is everything :cheer:
By the way, this thread is soon to close. Main point has been conveyed and the useful spawned discussion can be better served by means of new dedicated threads.
OK boss...I oppened it just to see how my friend Ali is doing in exile,but here he is back again boundless
and alive with new ideas....I strongly believe he has something,and I apologise/so he ask/to him,and
anxiously expect his HG on my email.
"put up or shut up". Be decent enough. You are not obligated to reveal your private info, nobody is. But be at least a decent man and do not shout loudly, don't boast about your achievements, especially in ridiculous terms of "Holy Grail" and "i can win millions spins in the row". You achieved your goals, you wanna leave forums? Fine. Say "Good buy, ladies and gentlemen, i achieved what i was aiming for, i wish you all best of luck." That will be enough. And then -- don't come back to boast and tell how unique your achievements are.
And nobody will make fun of you then.
and one more thing. There are a lot of people which achieved interesting results on million spin graphs. It happens this way or that. Some of those people start yelling about Holy Grail and stuff like that. Others just tell their friends. I know another guy in those forums who told me about his big graph on the same site as Al.
Actually he held one of the first places there some time ago. He knew that this graph does not mean he won roulette on a long run. Nothing to boast about for a whole world to know. And even if he did he would not boast about it to the public. Because it does not show you as a good man. And it is not smart as well. Why to draw attention to yourself? You will not help yourself by doing this. Quite on the contrary.
Quote from: AMK on January 28, 2014, 09:42:02 AM
Hello pb65,
I didn't mean this person should reveal it only that they should use the grail to also do good with not just selfish greed for more money for oneself.
Al, it is possible for Ophis to create a bot which can be rented out. You guys create a website and here people can rent the bot. The bot can be made so that placed bets are not seen as well as the screen. The bot just runs. After a month another payment has to be made.
You can earn much more money this way then playing yourself or having one or two bots play for you.
I don't see why this project could not work.
Couldn't, cause once you up consistently,DB,day after day,come the day when you can't log in any longer,
and if you succeed after about trillions trays,it would be mostly for a sec.or 2......Still can't withdraw some
money left there.....In other words this would be indirect ban.
Quote from: iggiv on January 28, 2014, 03:09:35 PM
"put up or shut up". Be decent enough. You are not obligated to reveal your private info, nobody is. But be at least a decent man and do not shout loudly, don't boast about your achievements, especially in ridiculous terms of "Holy Grail" and "i can win millions spins in the row". You achieved your goals, you wanna leave forums? Fine. Say "Good buy, ladies and gentlemen, i achieved what i was aiming for, i wish you all best of luck." That will be enough. And then -- don't come back to boast and tell how unique your achievements are.
And nobody will make fun of you then.
Ask your boss Steve to put up or shut up and stop going jail for scamming masses further. I know his dogs are sniffing around for potential threats and barking upon all of them too. Learn from him the "genuinefailure" and do not move around sniffing around every bone. Get his cheating devices and get your legs broken soon.
Interesting what Mods are gonna do about it.
That's why everybody "loves" u, Al. But u know. Even after trying to insult me i still don't hate you and wish you all the best. I just feel sorry for u.
Bud, your successes with roulette are and will be limited to loud forum claims and virtual noise you are creating, not more than this. Because you are on totally wrong way. And probably will be like this for years.
Keeping up with your claims and insults.
Keep up entertaining people. Call them "barking"," sniffing dogs", try to put mud on them anyway you can,
whatever. Maybe it will help you with your self esteem. Will make u A BIG GUY from what you really are
:)
Quote from: iggiv on January 28, 2014, 06:50:34 PM
Interesting what Mods are gonna do about it.
That's why everybody "loves" u, Al. But u know. Even after trying to insult me i still don't hate you and wish you all the best. I just feel sorry for u.
Bud, your successes with roulette are and will be limited by loud forum claims and virtual noise you are creating, not more than this. Because you are on totally wrong way. And probably will be like this for years.
Keeping up with your claims and insults.
Before doing any sort of namecalling, just look up at your sleeves. You are global moderator of a jailbird scammer forum. Ask him to get you a cheating device for your job for promoting his scams and get a complimentary copy of "genuinefailure" from him too. You have no business to debate here and there as to how to win roulette.
I will ask Mods kindly to stop this kind of personal attacks because i don't wanna be involved in this kind of conversation. One good thing though. It shows who is who. And how our desperate hero tries to kick me out of this forum because i said truth to him. Without any insults by the way.
:)
Quote from: iggiv on January 28, 2014, 07:15:09 PM
I will ask Mods kindly to stop this kind of personal attacks because i don't wanna be involved in this kind of conversation. One good thing though. It shows who is who. And how our desperate hero tries to kick me out of this forum because i said truth to him. Without any insults by the way.
:)
Truth is the best defense against defamation. If your opinion regarding me can be close to be a truth, mine is an absolute reality. Do you get a commission too, from his sales? Why don't you use his techniques to beat the game?
your slander has nothing to do with the truth and reality. I have nothing to do with his sales. Period.
I am just a Mod in that forum just like here are some other Mods. You can imagine what you want. It is not the first time you are making up stories, Al. You try to humiliate me, but in reality you humiliate yourself.
and I don't have even slightest doubt in your credentials in barking upon me, in this specific occasion. Why don't you just use his cheating devices to beat casinos? You don't trust him or his credentials?
u r just funny, that's it. That's why i am laughing at you, Al. You made yourself funny. :)
Other things are not your business. What i use and what i don't. Truth hurts. You made fun of yourself, nobody takes you seriously. All the slander in the world u will try put upon your opponents won't change that fact. You just fall down even lower than you did before. Made yourself even funnier. Like a little kid which cries and yells some b/s at adults around him.
i imagine after all this b/s you said you must be unwelcome guest here. But it's not my business. Let the Mods and Vic sort this out in this forum.
Quote from: Albalaha on January 28, 2014, 06:25:24 PM
Ask your boss Steve to put up or shut up and stop going jail for scamming masses further. I know his dogs are sniffing around for potential threats and barking upon all of them too. Learn from him the "genuinefailure" and do not move around sniffing around every bone. Get his cheating devices and get your legs broken soon.
Big Al,
You are currently straddling the line between being "very vocal" in this discussion and outright "being bad".
I would recommend that you tread lightly from this point on.
The discussion is with you and your baccarat success, not bringing up all types of history on people who are not here.
I'm pretty thick skinned but I can see that you are losing control of your keyboard at an accelerating rate.
Cool it down now or face the "Wrath of Esoito" with help from the other mods.
Once again, you're right on the line. Calm down.
AD
and I can imagine that Steve will double your salary and give incentive for your nice performance here. By the way, how much is your payroll with Steve?
Ad,
You should better advise these igniters to behave and maintain dignity. If they are free to bark upon me, I can't be barred to retaliate.
all this is because deep inside he knows that i am right. Decent people don't do what he does. Telling one thing, doing another. Boasting around, claiming shining victories...Drawing public attention with gimmics, promising to leave then coming back. Calling people "dogs".
Let him win in roulette and be happy. But be decent as well. He made some kind of bad circus out of nothing.
Quote from: Albalaha on January 28, 2014, 08:15:11 PM
Ad,
You should better advise these igniters to behave and maintain dignity. If they are free to bark upon me, I can't be barred to retaliate.
Al,
You're not listening.
You will be surprised to know that in the "back room" for mods around here, I have come to your "rescue" more than once.
You are very close to having me just "cut you loose" and you may fend for yourself.
In plain terms, you're about two messages away from a two week vacation.
Get it?
AD
Vic, por favor tell him how much you pay to your Mods. Then tell this weirdo that Steve pays me the same amount. Steve has nothing to do with me making fun of this...BIG GUY :)
I could shut him up in another forum, but i won't.
So long, you keep barking upon me, I will keep kicking you and your master along.
Bark more.............
Captain,
I won't regret leaving this place forever but I can't allow dogs barking at the behest of others. If you can't chain them, I won't let them bite me.
Iggiv,
Victor is not selling cheating devices or "genuinefailure".
Tell Steve in the open what u r telling me now, be a man. I am just a mod in a good forum which he owns. Trying to keep order there. And you know that, u don't dare to open your mouth with all this b/s there like here.
I don't get anything out of it just like other Mods. In this forum or in other forums as i know of. And i am a human, not a dog. Just like u, Al. I am just more decent person than you, i dare to say.
As about scammers look who is talking....I did not sell any scam ---unlike u, Al.
You Mods here are really tolerant to troublemakers. I am not one to judge u. I can just tell u that this guy hides his butt there in rouetteforum.cc and does not dare to say anything of a kind. He knows the consequences. But here he feels he can say anything he wants.
geeeee,
I open this thread cause of missing Ali...as have no one to argue with.....but my,
others arguing and me mute.....spat em then dominate...I love listening others argue too.
First half score 7-7.....
Quote from: iggiv on January 28, 2014, 08:40:42 PM
You Mods here are really tolerant to troublemakers. I am not one to judge u. I can just tell u that this guy hides his butt there in rouetteforum.cc and does not dare to say anything of a kind. He knows the consequences. But here he feels he can say anything he wants.
and this SOB is here to bark upon me upon his master's command. <Removed: undeserved comment>. Go back to your master iggi..........shoooooooooo
:) nice try, Al. LOL. You are a nicest guy on Earth. Not only the smartest and the most knowing about roulette. Not just the only person under the moon to defeat roulette on a long run. You are the cleanest nicest mouth on this planet.
and u r the most obedient servant of Steve the ex-jailbird. I do not see any debate of yours here than this. Get your biscuits. shooooooooo
Ok enough guys, thread is locked and Albalaha has received a warn to put him in pre-moderation, which means his posts will be screened before reaching the public for a while.
Hopefully Sumit can take a breath of fresh air. He's capable of better topics.
Well...well...well... Remind me NEVER to sleep again! I missed all the action.
And Albalaha did indeed miss out on Adulay's "wrath of Esoito".
Mind you, so did a couple of other posters who I noticed were trying to put the fire out with petrol instead of water.
It was quite obvious to me they were winding Albalaha up. And he was daft enough to respond instead of ignoring it, because he can't exercise self-control.
I've told him and told him and told him NOT to respond to those sorts of posts. But he ignores the advice and then wonder why he ends up with a penalty.
Oh well. Maybe he'll finally see sense and actually release one of his so-called grails to the forum for testing, and keep the other 11 to himself.
That's assuming they actually exist, of course...