I deposited $50 at an online casino and told them no bonus.
They said OK and gave me the bonus anyway. So now I have
to wager $2000 before I can withdraw any money.
They say any bets on Baccarat, the EC's in roulette, the dozens
or columns in roulette, do not count to bringing down the bonus.
Is anybody familiar with this? Does this mean I can still bet the
streets and double streets? If so, what's stopping me from betting
all 6 double streets at once and a small bet on the zero. This will
bring down the $2000 requirement in no time.
Any comments welcome.
Spike
It has been my experience you have to bet your deposit amount around 35 or more times on slots or Keno. Basically, you will never get your bonus! Nor can you withdraw if you win 1,000 on roulette. Be careful what you bet. Sometimes your winnings are added in and you have to bet THAT additional amount 35 or more times. It's like trying to pay off a loan shark!
I would demand they take off the bonus. I have done that and they did. 'Course, it varies from casino to casino.
Good luck!
Sam
Its just as Sam says Spike.....
but also:-
Quote
Is anybody familiar with this? Does this mean I can still bet thestreets and double streets? If so, what's stopping me from bettingall 6 double streets at once and a small bet on the zero. This willbring down the $2000 requirement in no time.
...in particular, even tho the casino may not have spelt out every bet that is covered by the bonus terms & conditions, the fact that U are deliberately setting out to clear the bonus wagering requirements, by your intended bet, the casino could say that U have not played your bonus in the spirit of the terms & conditions, and still make U meet the requirements by more straight forward betting styles.
All in all, never take bonuses.
Send customer services an email, before placing any bets, and ask/tell them to remove the additional funds.
Quote from: TwoCatSam on March 24, 2013, 07:54:43 PM
Spike
It has been my experience you have to bet your deposit amount around 35 or more times on slots or Keno.
Sam
Are you saying I can't bet roulette at all?
I suggest you read the fine print very carefully before taking any bonuses.
Some casinos won't want you to use any type of methods on their facilities. Basically anything other than blind-folded chip scattering is forbidden.
QuoteAny winnings made using advantageous betting methods (including but not limited to systematic bets on roulette) will be considered as fraudulent and will immediately become void.
On the bets they consider "OK", you get only a tiny percentage of them towards clearing the bonus (i.e. 2%)
http://en.offsidebet.com/en-GB/netent_splash/info/casino/terms_and_conditions (http://en.offsidebet.com/en-GB/netent_splash/info/casino/terms_and_conditions)
Other will flat exclude roulette and other "even chance games":
Quote4. Due to “Even-Chance” betting possibility, all Roulette wagers are excluded. Craps, Baccarat, card wars, video poker games/ poker, Sic Bo and all variants of Black Jack games are also excluded for this bonus.
https://www.1bet.com/EN/promotion.html?id=27 (https://www.1bet.com/EN/promotion.html?id=27)
I would advice against taking a bonus unless you do understand fully what you get into.
If unsure, you can always pass the casino link around for peer evaluation/opinion.
Best.
Before opening a new account at ANY online casino I always send them an email stating that I want to open a real money account but I want to recieve no bonuses of any kind whilst Im a member there. I tell them that as soon as I get an email confirming this I will deposit the funds.
I have NEVER received bonuses this way.
Yes everybody, I KNOW not to take a bonus. I told
them NO BONUS and they said OK, then gave me the
bonus anyway.
My question is, now what? They specifically said no
bets on roulette EC's, or dozens or columns. They
said nothing about streets or the inside numbers.
Does that mean I can play those?
Don't play ANYTHING, until they have removed the bonus money
Quote
Send customer services an email, before placing any bets, and ask/tell them to remove the additional funds.
Name me the casino. I have played online in more than 200 casinos. I have handled many such bonuses. If they restrict outside bets on roulette, it is not an issue. If they have their terms in writing, refer to that, then make your strategy. Is it live dealer or only RNG?
Spike, why u did not insist so they remove the bonus? Till u started playing with the bonus u have no wager requirements. They made mistake, they can correct it. U start playing with it -- and that's it.
Quote from: spike on March 24, 2013, 07:12:25 PM
Does this mean I can still bet the
streets and double streets? If so, what's stopping me from betting
all 6 double streets at once and a small bet on the zero. This will
bring down the $2000 requirement in no time.
Any comments welcome.
You can bet on the streets and double streets. :thumbsup:
I think it's a bad idea to bet all double streets + covering the zero. This means you will lose whatever is on the zero every spin that the zero doesn't hit and there's no guarantee that it will hit enough times for you to recover if and when it does hit. Let's say you put $1 on each DS and 20 cents on the zero. That's roughly $6 of the bonus requirement paid off each spin, which means that after 334 spins you should have paid it off completely. If you put 20 cents on the zero as a cover bet every spin, and the zero doesn't hit, it means you've lost 334 x 0.2 = $66.8 (more than your bank!). Now it's unlikely that zero won't hit at all, but it may not hit nearly enough to ensure that you break even after the 334 spins. However you mess around with stakes won't help, it's just trading off one risk against another. That's why the casino won't care at all if you do something like this.
It makes no sense. They say no dozens or EC's may be bet,
yet you can bet the dozens and H/L all day long on the streets.
I trhink they mean you can bet the inside NUMBERS only and they
don't know the streets are also considered the 'inside'.
Quote from: spike on March 24, 2013, 07:12:25 PM
I deposited $50 at an online casino and told them no bonus.
They said OK and gave me the bonus anyway. So now I have
to wager $2000 before I can withdraw any money.
Please name the casino and do NOT play anything until they remove that bonus.
AD
Its Dublin and I already made a few bets.
Spike,
Well, I went over to Dublin and finally tracked down the "bonus" requirements. They actually state that the required amount to payoff the "bonus" may be as high as 37 times your deposit plus bonus!!!
Also, you cannot play many traditional casino games to satisfy the requirements of the bonus. As baccarat is on the "no play" list, that kills any bonus for sure.
Here is the appropriate link for those who wish to read it themselves. It DOES state that the player has a choice so I would think having them just dump it on you can (and should have been) removed.
http://www.dublinbet.com/help/bonus_terms.html (http://www.dublinbet.com/help/bonus_terms.html)
AD
spike,
If you have not started betting yet, you can get it cancelled upon request. You are free to play roulette with inside bets of your choice. Restrictions are on outside bets only. You may play baccarat, if you like but that will not be counted towards wagering requirements.
Quote from: spike on March 26, 2013, 08:24:51 PM
It makes no sense. They say no dozens or EC's may be bet,
yet you can bet the dozens and H/L all day long on the streets.
I trhink they mean you can bet the inside NUMBERS only and they
don't know the streets are also considered the 'inside'.
I specifically asked them this and used the example of double streets. I said I didn't really understand why EC's didn't count toward the bonus requirement and yet you could bet 3 double streets which is equivalent and it WOULD count. They replied that that's correct: ANY bets other than the EC and Dozen/column DO count towards paying off the bonus. They must have a good reason for this rule, even if it's not immediately obvious to us.
Quote from: Bayes on March 27, 2013, 08:12:52 AM
I specifically asked them this and used the example of double streets. I said I didn't really understand why EC's didn't count toward the bonus requirement and yet you could bet 3 double streets which is equivalent and it WOULD count. They replied that that's correct: ANY bets other than the EC and Dozen/column DO count towards paying off the bonus. They must have a good reason for this rule, even if it's not immediately obvious to us.
maybe because of the La partage rule (did I spell it right)?
you can't use it on the lines or streets
and you need more money to cover the lines/streets than an EC - which is both good and bad
good - you can do the bonus earlier since you are betting more money per spin
bad - you lose more money when you lose
or something else?
They don't offer la partage on the EC's, and it wouldn't apply to Dozens/Columns anyway. You don't need to bet more if using the streets etc, because the min. bet on these is 10 cents, but on an EC it's 1 euro, so it's actually cheaper to bet 3 double streets than a single EC, that's why it's hard to make sense of the rule.
Be aware of the "Spirit" of the Bonus
I've read about ppl clearin the Bonus requirements only to be told they, in effect cheated
I would email DB and ask direct questions about how you intend to play and get it in writing so ther is no, "yeah but" at the end
For example,
Risk-free and low-risk bets
on any games (i.e. betting in proportions on different outcomes in the same hand to create "action" with minimal or no risk) do not qualify towards reducing the wagering requirement.
Examples of low-risk bets include betting
- Betting "Red", "Black", "Odd", "Even", Dozens or Column bets in Roulette
- All 'Double-or-Nothing' bets in slots games
- Other similar combinations in these and other games.
Quote from: spike on March 24, 2013, 07:12:25 PM
They say any bets on Baccarat, the EC's in roulette, the dozens
or columns in roulette, do not count to bringing down the bonus.
I don't believe it says you can't bet on the EC's at roulette. It says you can't wager on both sides at the same time.
Normal EC wagers are acceptable.
AD
Captain,
You missed the
bold statement marked by Paul. They do not want u to play low risk(high winning probability) game covering half of the table/wheel or more. They simultaneously want you to play high risk bets where huge variance/dispersion is bound to come before you can bet 37 times of your deposit +bonus.
I have played and won many such bonuses (even far tougher) but they were no deposit bonuses. I mean, I had nothing to lose.
QuoteOther similar combinations in these and other games
let's say u lost the bonus and a little more, can u get rid of wager requirements at all? U should not get into this stuff when u see a bonus...get rid of it or don't play at all
Quote from: TwisterUK on March 27, 2013, 02:17:16 PM
I've read about ppl clearin the Bonus requirements only to be told they, in effect cheated
That's what spike said. So if you do make the wagering requirement they will say you're a "pro" player and refuse to pay up. But what's the definition of a pro player? they need to make clear what that actually means and how they would know it. I couldn't see any reference to "pro players" in their T & C. It seems to me that the only way they can know it is if you clear the bonus! This would mean that no-one could ever withdraw any winnings if they meet the bonus requirement, making the bonus effectively worthless.
It says in the bonus T & C:
QuoteProfessional players or players we determine to be abusing the bonus offers may face additional restrictions and/or lockouts.
I'd like to know what constitutes an "abuse" of a bonus offer. Seeing as they exclude all low edge games like blackjack, baccarat, etc. I can't see how it can possibly be abused.
To recommend that you don't accept any bonuses doesn't really make any sense. Yes, you should check the bonus requirements to make sure that the game you want to play does count toward paying it off, and if it does why not take it? If you're a recreational player then you aren't expecting to make a long term profit, so taking the bonus gives you more "entertainment" at no extra cost. On the other hand, if you're playing for profit then you expect to make a profit, at least for the duration that the wagering requirement is in force, in which case, the only drawback is that you have to wait a little longer to withdraw your winnings than if you hadn't accepted the bonus. So in other words, if you're playing to make a profit but don't want the bonus, it means you believe in the hit & run fallacy!
Hi Bayes,
you make a very good point! I never accept bonuses and I don't believe in the hit and run fallacy....at least I didn't think I did. :(
Bonus abuse doesn't mean winning a bonus. If you are getting and winning bonuses in a professional manner, that amounts to abuse. Deposit bonus is not wise, in any manner, if it asks for more than 10 times wagering on deposit+bonus money. If u can win such bonuses for sure, you can crush casinos without any bonus, very well.
I have done bonus abuse many times and many casinos rejected any further bonus offers to me after winning one: http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=347.0 (http://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=347.0)
Two three casinos did not pay me on one pretext or other but mostly they pay bonus winners.