QuoteYou are not correct, and a lot of players attempt to hedge their wagers with a bet on the opposite side Dragon Wager, etc.

I see, the payouts are not sufficient to cover every possibility in profit of course.
But it could be a separate and independent progression for each and everyone of them, while some are losing there will be always 1 which is winning, all of them can win in different times.
So you could aim to win from 1 time all of these, from both sides!
When 1 or 2 of them delay then follow up to the point where your net profit has been depleted, at that point restart from scratch.
When I say all I mean player, bank, tie, all dragons from both sides...calculate each separate/independent progression in regards with its respective payout.

Quote from: Blue_Angel on October 16, 2017, 04:38:58 PM
So that's good only for 3 cards totals only?
How about when there are just 2 cards being dealt?

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Naturals pay 1 to 1 for anyone wagering the Dragon Bonus and their side wins with the Dragon Bonus wagered.

Alrelax

Now I saw the answer.

This Dragon bonus is interesting, let's say you bet 10 chips on player and from 1 chip on Banker's:
9, pays 30 to 1
8, pays 10 to 1  (some casinos have 15 to 1)
7, pays  6 to 1
6, pays  4 to 1
5, pays 2 to 1
4, pays 1 to 1
Tie, pays 9 to 1

You win or break even on every scenario, am I missing something??

Quote from: alrelax on October 16, 2017, 04:33:58 PM
Yes, say the Banker had a 3 card 9 and the Players had a 6 and stand.  No bonus payout as the Banker won by 3.

Say the Banker had a 3 card 9 and the Players had 3 monkeys.  Banker won by 9 and a 30 to 1 payout r those that wagered the Dragon Bonus.

Say the Players had a 3 card 8 and the Banker had a 3 card total of 1.  The players would get paid the Dragon Bonus is they wagered it for winning by 7 points.

So that's good only for 3 cards totals only?
How about when there are just 2 cards being dealt?

Quote7, pays ??
6, pays ??
5, pays ??

QuoteDragon Bonus is where one side, you can wager either side bonus, has to win by the following:

9, pays 30 to 1
8, pays 10 to 1  (some casinos have 15 to 1)
7, pays
6, pays
5, pays
4, pays 1 to 1

You mean those values as a total or as difference between the 2 totals??

QuoteSome have the 'Dragon Bonus' in lieu of the Panda 8 side wager.  But elsewhere, there is the Banker 6 side wager that is paid instead of the Fortune 7 side wager as I mentioned.  BTW, if you did not know, the Banker pushes on the F-7 win and on the Panda 8 win, the players do get the regualr wager paid as well, unlike the push on the F-7.

Sorry but don't know much about Baccarat, could you explain those special bets when they win and how much is their respective payout?

1) dragon bonus
2) banker 6
3) panda 8

How about what I've suggested about ties?

QuoteAs far as Fortune 7, I was referring to the 40:1 wager where the Banker wins the side wager with a 3 card total of 7.  Not winning 7 Banker hands in a row, if that is what you said??

Aha! I thought "fortune 7" wins when there is a 7 streak for banker, that's why I've suggested to double up 6 times for the opposite side.
However, even if that was the case the 40 to 1 would return less than the 64 to 1 for 6 losses in a row.
This special bet is good value to lay it rather than back it, but of course don't offer you such option.
I was reading your previous post and I thought that if after so many shoes only 1 didn't has any tie then perhaps it would be good idea to bet for ties with a progression, let's say 1 shoe = 50 decisions and there must be at least 1 within 50 bets/steps, what do you think?

Why don't you marty for the chop and use a "fortune 7" bet as an insurance?
If the chop/change happens up to and including 6th bet then you win by doubling up, if 7 streak then you win "fortune 7".

If you bet always like BPBPBPBPBPBP...etc then you win chops and streaks, the only nemesis sequence is PBPBPBPBPB...has to zig zag the exact opposite, but if zig zag identical then you'd win every bet.

Quote from: alrelax on October 15, 2017, 05:12:28 PM
Nothing really changes the highest majority of the time. 

Doctor Venkman proved that back in 1984 with electro shocks, 

Oh, I'm sure, you could find many such examples in life.

Quote from: alrelax on October 15, 2017, 04:59:29 PM
So. A lot of brew haha!!  What the he'll is the prediction now for today?

Like I said, an old Chinese man told me!!!!

Like some pointing to the score board with tons of conviction,  LOL.

What?
Zing Zang?! 

It's amazing to me how after so many times which we have seen the same things over and over again we still wonder which way wind blows...even after a century we will keep on wondering within random's maze!
Everything changes and yet remains the same... 

Quote from: alrelax on October 15, 2017, 02:12:56 PM
And in reality as well as IMO, one of the most honest statements ever made in the field of systems, etc. 

Probably the same ideas and experiences I have found in real BAC play, like I have tried to define???  Reference the agenda and reasons why events happen or don't happen, even more so why we wager for or against them. 

In my point of view gambling could be perceived as the ultimate challenge of personality...
Success tests you as the worst enemy, failure could aid you as the best ally and all of us are standing somewhere in between, on the line which enemies and allies have crossed so many times...

Divination expresses through random and assist us build a strong character, ain't this the inner, subconscious desire to communicate with the supernatural world, what we call faith?

Faith in yourself and what you do is the power which lies within, believe in it and you shall see the results you are looking for, it's no matter of if but when, ask the right questions if you expect the right answers.

Thank you Victor, may your path be a victorious one as your name suggests.

I'd like to clarify about my 3 aforementioned methods, they are a solid base but not exactly what I'm using now, parameters left out intentionally.
As they are, they will win most of the times, yet better than many others.
As a matter of fact the complete solution is a combination of them, from which and to what proportion of each I'm leaving it to your judgement.

Quote from: Mike on October 15, 2017, 11:59:31 AM
Blue_Angel,

How long have you been making a full-time living from playing roulette?

2016, not so many years but I begun evolving seriously (much more time) from 2010.
For 6 years I've losses but thankfully other income sources and my resolute personality helped me not to give up and eventually find what I was looking for.
This was a very slow and gradual progress which didn't make me jump up and down from happiness like I'd have won the lottery...it took much time and money, it was expected and I deserved it.

That's great news Vic, keep up the good job!

Greetings to Australia and America, I'm fully aware about the complexity of my methods and the insurmountable work needed in order to be done properly.
Victor has proposed me to do them for such low price, if it was even lower I would be even more happy, on the end it's more about time rather than money but I believe it worths the wait.

Last but not least, not everything for everyone, the roulette should never be consider as an easy money maker!
You have to do the extra mile and even then you could not be 100% sure for success!
Simple and effective in regards to roulette is like black and white, they are opposites, therefore you cannot have them both, a simple system like "wait for x to miss y spins..." will never work!
If the solution was something simple then it would has been discovered long time ago, unfortunately for the majority which looks for the easy buck it's far from truth!
There is not such thing as free lunch...we all pay in one way or the other!

990 Euros I consider to be fair price, 10 members could share the cost and pay 99 Euros each.
After they could do as they like with the content.

Before I request Vic to program them I've contacted Les (from RX software), he is doing good job in good price too, but he told he was busy with RX bot updates, but promised to find someone for me, after 1 week he has informed me that nobody was available.

Meanwhile I've been rejected by other 2 programmers, after I've asked Norman and he replied that he could do only 1 of them and this would cost me 100 Euros because it is too complex and time consuming.

Finally I asked Silver and he requested me to write down step by step the  instructions in order because: "...the threads have too much blah blah and vague explanations."
That was his response in short, so Victor became my only hope but he disappointed me so far.