The most probable way to lose all your money on Baccarat is by going all in on every hand, eventually there will come 1 hand to smack your cheek!

I totally agree with you Kimo, the strategy/method/system analysis is the essence, has practical value.


If someone wants to share about what he ate, what he bought and a bunch of other irrelevant details with individuals who doesn't know personally then why not to write a book about all these, about the story of his life and sell it to find out how many would care to buy such thing?

I admire persons like you, however, if I was you I wouldn't bother with mentoring, the worst aspect of it is to have to deal with negative mentalities...I believe that we cannot, we should not and after all, why to want changing different mindsets in order to adapt to what we know as valid. (?)
People have the right to be wrong, otherwise we would not have all those failures, bad experiences, bad examples...and the list goes on.
People might build huge machinery, constructions, but they are unable to change their inner world, that's the hardest obstacle.


You must be 1 of the persons who created the "parity hedge" system for Craps back on the 80's, that story has been recycled as an urban legend but now I can see where it's its origin...!

Thank you Al for your kind words, make me feel welcome! 
The way I consider the situation is the following:

Even if you would share a long term winning method for free, do you think that all gamblers worldwide would read your topic? No.

Do you think that from those who would read it all of them would use it, let alone to the letter?  No.

Do you think that casinos would close, stop roulette game, or even change its rules, which have never changed since 1 and a half century ago?  No.

Therefore my conclusion is that when I listen to excuses such as killing the goose with the golden eggs or casinos changing or even terminating roulette game is a far cry to say the least.

Banning is not really a problem because there are so many casinos around the world which makes almost impossible to find on every one of them its door closed.
Furthermore have you heard the 12 labors of Hercules? 1 of them was about the mythical monster of Hydra, when Hercules was cutting 1 head, 2 were popping out to replace the one fallen...thus if casino(s) bans 1 individual how about if that individual creates a team and from each and every team mate would receive a cut of say 20% up to 35% of net profits, wouldn't that be much worse for the casinos?
How about keeping a low profile by rotating between various casinos and maintaining profit on moderate levels?

People tend to overestimate what they have, a golden idea could produce millions literally, but without making proper planning and organization, without necessary capital, without execution of every single step of the plan to the letter, with discipline, moderation and patience, on the top of everything else a lack of any other problems which would be an obstacle for realizing the plan, the golden idea would worth nothing simply because it could not be materialized.

So please do not insult our intelligence by speaking about "gooses with golden eggs"!

In my point of view:


Do people have the right to share something which is their mental property? Yes.


Do they have the right to sell it if they wish? Yes.


Do they have the right to set the price? Yes.


Does selling equate with quality of a product/service? Not necessarily.


Does the price alone indicates quality? Not necessarily.


Does someone should be given the option to buy? Yes.


Does someone has to pay a certain fee, or to buy at all? Of course not.


I believe that the ONLY foul is on EXAGGERATION and MISLEADING CLAIMS, sellers know that in order to attract potential customers they have to make a difference from their competition, they have to give a good reason to buy from them, that's why they tend to excessive claims which in turn deceive.
There are a ton of mid to low quality products being sold every day around the world, have anyone charged them with penalties? No.
Therefore the unethical and illegal part of a fraud is in the promise, directly given or indirectly implied the result remains the same.


I perfectly understand when someone doesn't want to share, for whatever reason, whatever he/she possesses, BUT when we are talking about betting methods/systems/strategies then why to sell (sell = expecting to receive money from a transaction whether it is product or service) when the "product" itself is generating profit??!


Simply it doesn't make sense!

Quote from: Jimske on November 07, 2018, 01:20:45 AM
  Not quite true.  Using progressions will ultimately have the exact same winning as flat betting the average bet size (ABS) of the progression utilized.  So if one can win flat betting one will also win with progressions.  Of course one must consider available bankroll, table limits and variance.  The advantage of progressions vs. flat betting is to win greater % of shoes.
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60 units in 10 months?  That's not a lot but still a win is a win.  I'm not knocking it.  It would be helpful if you were to state how many bets per shoe and units won per shoe on average.  Stuff like that.  Surely that wouldn't be giving anything away.

Your reply IS ALL THE MONEY!!! 

Hi Sputnik, I believe 6 steps are sufficient, but if someone would like to extended it up to 10 steps that's perfectly fine with me.
However, I would never consider anything more than 10, on the end is NOT ONLY if it busts but how much profit has been gained overall.
Please share whatever you find, thanks.


Appologise from Asym for high-jacking his thread! 

We could even extend from 6 to 10 streak, betting against 11 streak to occur BEFORE any streak of 6,7,8,9 and 10 would happen.
As long as 1 up to 5 streaks occur we keep betting against the same side, when the first streak of 6,7,8,9 or 10 occurs quit or change sides.

Just hopping in to give my 2 cents, in gambling and games of chance there are always chances against others, hopes against hopes, a degree of uncertainty in general...however, we CAN be sure about something, this is that eventually everything happens, sooner or later, but just a matter of time.


Therefore, despite probability of x event remains the same, the order of any event is subject to variance and when the order changes some events get closer while other far apart from each other, you cannot have one without the other.


After all is all about timing which makes the real difference, you can not make order by totals because a "tree" is not the whole "forest", if you get my drift.
So here it is, how a 7 streak could occur without any 2,3,4,5 and 6 streak before it...?!
Bet against a 7 streak, as long as there are streaks of 1,2,3 you keep on betting, with the first 4,5 or 6 streak is signal to stop right AFTER you coup your ongoing betting series.


Not only a 7 streak has to occur against you, but it has to happen BEFORE ANY 4,5 and 6 streak too!
In other words, from 1,2,3 to jump to 7 streak without anything in between, I've never witnessed such thing!
By the signal to quit is not, by any means obligatory, one could decide just to change sides and carry on the same as long as he is not bored and/or tired.


Winning could become a formality if you know when and what to bet, money is just a mean to an end, nothing more!

Another way to bet 2 dozens + 2 columns simultaneously is to look for repeat of dozen and column in last 2 spins, in such case bet the other 2 dozens and columns.
Also when there are 2 different dozens and 2 different columns on the last 2 spins then bet all those for the 3rd spin to be double repeat.


We are betting against: 111, 222, 333 and 123, 132, 231, 213, 312, 321, for dozens and columns simultaneously.
Those are 9 permutations, we have 18 on our side, double more!
We double win from column and dozen by 16 numbers, it's very hard for 16 numbers losing 8 bets consecutively.
From the other side there are 5 numbers which make us lose all bets, those 5 numbers could come for maximum 7 times in a row, since the last 2 results are the trigger we could have 5 loses ahead of us in some extremely rare situations.

The third result loses for dozens as the 2nd repeats, but the column changes from C to A as the 13 comes.
So we lose -3 on top of current balance of -4 and now is -7, divide it by 2 and we find 3.5 which means 4 units per dozen and column for a total of 16 units (4 x 4).
Write 2 A on the top right grid of the matrix, now we bet dozens 1,3 and columns B, C.
2C 2C 2A
1A 1B 1C
3C 3A 2B

Let's say we lose 5 more bets, -7 + -4 = -11/2 = 6, -11 + -6 = -17/2= 9, -17 + -9 = -26/2= (13) 14, -26 + -14 = -40/2= (20) 21, -40 + -21 = -61/2 = 31 units x 4 (2 dozens + 2 columns) = 124 units max bet + 61 draw-down = 185 units BR.
This final 8th bet/9th spin concludes the series with a profit of 1 unit.

I'd like to add something about your dozens/columns matrix.


If we would use 3 x 3 matrix in order to cross reference rows and columns it would look like this:


1,2,3 horizontal rows as reference to dozens.
A,B,C vertical columns as reference for columns.


Let's say that the last spin was number 24, it belongs on 2nd dozen and C column, write on the top left box 2 C.
Since there are more ways to have 2 different dozens and columns on 3 spins we should bet for the other 2 dozens and columns simultaneously.
So the bet would be dozens 1,3 and columns A,B, total 4 units.
For the example's sake the next result is 21, which belongs to the same dozen and column, we lose 4 units and you write on top middle box of the matrix 2 C again.


There 9 boxes for equivalent total of results, out of 9 spins we are betting max 8 times, from those 8 we are expecting 1 simultaneous win for dozen and column, the payout is x2 net.
Divide -4 draw-down by 2 net payout = 2 but since we want to win rather than break even we would bet 3 units by 2 dozens and 2 columns = 12 units bet.

1. How possible is an, approximately, 80% of all forums' members to have a long term winning strategy such as yours?

Highly unlikely.


2.Would not that be highly unlikely?

Of course.


Now this question is not entirely hypothetical but based on my personal observation over the course of years;
3. There are not as many members as they used to be.

Apparently.


4. From the fewer members there is significant less interest in participating on topics regarding strategies and in general about how to win on long term basis than what it used to be on the past.


This is my conclusion.


5. People prefer to discuss more about unrelated subjects rather than contributing all as a team to a mutual and beneficial cause/goal.


Unfortunately.


6. More minds are able to achieve easier and better than a single alone.


Not necessarily.


7. Even if you would share a long term winning method, do you think that all gamblers worldwide would read your topic?


No.


8. Do you think that from those who would read it all of them would use it, let alone to the letter??


No.


9. Do you think that casinos would close, stop roulette game, or even change its rules, which have never changed since 1 and a half century ago???


No.


10. What is the real reason behind this behavior?


I believe that it has to do with the ego like many other issues.


11. Don't you think that forums are a great mean to connect people worldwide under a common cause/goal?


That would have been the ideal, but people don't operate optimally in general.


12. Why they are not focused groups of individuals, instead we see too much blah blah speaking about nothing practically, or about promoting products and services to potential customers?


There are two main reasons, or the lack thereof, motivation and organization.


13. Why when there were important efforts a few persons derailed those topics and from the practical considerations we ended up striving to prove a point, defending our positions from the intruding negativity?


Human nature I guess, easily carried away of "path", covers too much on the "surface" but not in depth before he/she eventually realizes that life has passed.


14. If some have found something which works AND don't desire to share it then what on earth are they doing here?


Bragging and laughing with others for satisfying their ego.


15. If they want to have a conversation and/or pass time then why they don't do it outside forums, with any other persons and/or activities??


Who says they don't, someone who could gain money almost by demand most likely have plenty of time as well.

Thank all of you for your sincere replies!

@ Crow, very honest reply, thanks.


@ AllRelax, please be my guest.


@ Everybody, I'm considering my response and soon will be posted.

I've some questions which, hopefully, you can help me understand.

1.How possible is an, approximately, 80% of all forums' members to have a long term winning strategy such as yours?
2.Would not that be highly unlikely?
Now this question is not entirely hypothetical but based on my personal observation over the course of years;
3. There are not as many members as they used to be
4. From the fewer members there is significant less interest in participating on topics regarding strategies and in general about how to win on long term basis than what it used to be on the past
5. People prefer to discuss more about unrelated subjects rather than contributing all as a team to a mutual and beneficial cause/goal
6. More minds are able to achieve easier and better than a single alone
7. Even if you would share a long term winning method, do you think that all gamblers worldwide would read your topic?
8. Do you think that from those who would read it all of them would use it, let alone to the letter??
9. Do you think that casinos would close, stop roulette game, or even change its rules, which have never changed since 1 and a half century ago???
10. What is the real reason behind this behavior?
11. Don't you think that forums are a great mean to connect people worldwide under a common cause/goal?
12. Why they are not focused groups of individuals, instead we see too much blah blah speaking about nothing practically, or about promoting products and services to potential customers?
13. Why when there were important efforts a few persons derailed those topics and from the practical considerations we ended up striving to prove a point, defending our positions from the intruding negativity?
14. If some have found something which works AND don't desire to share it then what on earth are they doing here?
15. If they want to have a conversation and/or pass time then why they don't do it outside forums, with any other persons and/or activities??

To my great disappointment I came to realize that I'm speaking alone and the forums are not being used the way it's meant to be used!