Hello everyone!

I'm not sure if you are aware of the roulette multiball or multiwheel, in any case I'd like to share with you my thoughts about the particular game.

It's exactly the same rules as normal roulette but players have the option to bet simultaneously on up to 6 different wheels.
Each wheel's result is independent from the rest, the same goes for each successive spin.

So if I was betting 6 numbers on all 6 wheels simultaneously it'd be similar of betting 1 number for 36 consecutive spins, but with 1 important difference!

While betting 1 number for 36 spins provides the opportunity to win up to 35 times your stake by risking 36 times your bet, the simultane play could make you win up to 6 times 35 equals 210 times your stake but without increasing the risk of potential loss of 36 times your bet.

You might argue that hitting the same number on all 6 wheels has less chance to occur but you are wrong since each wheel's outcome is independent from the rest.
Therefore the probability to have the same number hit in 6 spins in a row is different from the chance to have the same number come up in 6 different wheels.
While on multiple wheels your chance for each number per wheel remains the same: 1 to 37 = 2.7%, the probability for 6 spins in a row is 36 in the 6th power (36x36x36x36x36x36).

Seems like something interesting to say the least, except if I'm wrong.
I'd like to know your view regarding this, what do you think?

Quote from: Sputnik on June 17, 2017, 06:29:30 PM
I have a working betting march based upon this and i earn real money using it.

The playing model is based upon Marigny.

Singles has the value of 1
Series of two has the value of 0
Series of three has the value of 1

Series of two break even and allow you to place same bet again so you only count the singles until a serie of three or higher hit.

1 single contra 1 serie of three
2 single contra 1 serie of three
1
4
1
0
1
0

As you can see you can apply periodic events and cycles when to hit two in a row.

Cheers
If you make your home work you will see the frequence come in waves.

You make it look like BJ counting system!
Assigned values on each series should reflect their frequency of appearances, shorter series are more frequent while longer are more irregular.

When the count reaches a certain point of unbalance you could select the EC pair which deviates more to reduce this difference.
Additionally you could add a second selection from the most balanced EC pair to deviate further.

Betting like this without limit your wins but limit your losses to a max of 3 in a row.

Quote from: sqzbox on May 08, 2014, 12:50:33 PM
Why wait for 15 reds or blacks?  The last 15 outcomes has exactly the same probability of appearing as 15 reds or blacks.  Just bet against the last series - it has the same z-score after all. Only if that is your game of course. Or just make up a series yourself - again, any series is just as likely as any other series - there is nothing special about 15 reds or blacks.

Or even if you'd bet for the last 15 outcomes to be the same it has exactly the same probability with betting opposite of the last 15 outcomes.

You might think I need only one to be different/same but this means that you'd gain many lesser wins and also lose few times great amounts.
The more you extend the progression series the less times you will lose, but in overall more money.
By waiting you would not make the situation any better because you could avoid some lost bets but you'd also miss winning bets, all in all the only  difference between waiting and extended progression series is an exchange in time/money ratio.

It would only make sense to wait if we could take care somehow even the most extreme situation (virtual limit).

You can arrive to 2 different results by following different paths.

I consider the following universal and more accurate way to estimate virtual limits.

If a single number could be absent for a maximum of 18 x 36 = 666 spins,
then all the rest derive from it;

666 : 2 numbers = 333 spins
666 : 3 numbers = 222 spins
666 : 4 numbers = 166 spins
666 : 5 numbers = 133 spins
666 : 6 numbers = 111 spins
666 : 7 numbers = 95 spins
666 : 8 numbers = 83 spins
666 : 9 numbers = 74 spins
666 : 10 numbers = 67 spins
666 : 11 numbers = 61 spins
666 : 12 numbers = 55 spins
666 : 13 numbers = 51 spins
666 : 14 numbers = 48 spins
666 : 15 numbers = 44 spins
666 : 16 numbers = 42 spins
666 : 17 numbers = 39 spins
666 : 18 numbers = 36 spins

Thus for EC's the virtual limit is 36 times to hit once, for twice in a row multiply 36 by 2 equals 72 times before you have your EC hit back to back.
If you wonder why 666 instead  of another arbitrary total the answer is:
0+1+2+3+4+5+6+7+8+9+10+11+12+13+14+15+16+17+18+19+20+221+22+23+24+25+25+26+27+28+29+30+31+32+33+34+35+36 = 666

The other way is based on empirical observations since the recorded history of roulette, according to the most ever witnessed is 26 times to hit once, for two consecutive hits multiply 26 by 2 and we arrive to 52 bets/trials before success. 

However, if you adapt the mentality of 'how many times this could miss', then you are moving towards the wrong direction...

So your purpose here is to promote books which could win max +3 units per shoe?

I can do better than that and obviously your main income comes from book sales rather than playing Baccarat.

Quote from: ADulay on June 16, 2017, 10:48:00 PM
If I can ever get a decent batch of shoes to produce a profit worth mentioning, I'll then put it to the acid test of the "Bac-Malta 40000" file.   
It's 40,000 consecutive dealt live hands in chronological order from a live dealt table.   
  AD

Andy, could you please let me know where I could find those hands to download?
What if I can produce a hefty net profit after betting all those hands?
Would that be interesting to say the least?

Quote from: phallyka on June 16, 2017, 11:35:50 AM
The progression is not that steep, and the results are amazing. never lost yet...

Which way did you use?

Quote from: Blue_Angel on June 15, 2017, 01:19:18 PM
May I suggest an alternative variation of the original beauty?

Bet 1 unit on every number that hits, add 1 unit on each subsequent hit.

Don't remove any numbers/units, continue like this till:  1) new bankroll high, 2) you are down by 1000 units, 3)  all numbers have been shown/bet at least once

Whatever happens first signals to stop and restart from scratch at your leisure.

You could do the same as I've described above with splits, since the betting will be half as much as betting numbers you should stop: 1) new bankroll high, 2) you are down by 500 units, 3)  all splits have been shown/bet at least once

This variation goes well with repeats and uniques as each split is 1 to 1 ratio of hit to unhit numbers.

May I suggest an alternative variation of the original beauty?

Bet 1 unit on every number that hits, add 1 unit on each subsequent hit.

Don't remove any numbers/units, continue like this till:  1) new bankroll high, 2) you are down by 1000 units, 3)  all numbers have been shown/bet at least once

Whatever happens first signals to stop and restart from scratch at your leisure.

Quote from: Bayes on June 15, 2017, 10:19:29 AM
Betting on random numbers is good practice for the "real" thing. If you can beat RNG you can beat anything, you should try it sometime. 

I practice exclusively on casino's Wiesbaden spins, their permanences are never in shortage.
90% of the times I play live online (with dealers not airballs) and from time to time at B&M casinos.
Except roulette I play also blackjack (not RNG) if I can find favorable rules.

''Angelonis'', this one has my name on it! (literally) 

Quote from: Bayes on May 10, 2016, 05:54:16 PM
What Steve didn't take into account in his calculations is the fact that the 10% is taken from net winnings; it's not applied to every winning bet.

There are a couple of examples on BV's site showing how it's done. The fact is that playing the no zero game can make a big difference to your bottom line, especially if you're playing a lot of numbers.

RNG's are as good as random, none roulette professional bets on RNG's.

I assume you are one of those who bet black after 5 reds because it ''ought'' to balance eventually...what a joke!

Good luck with your random ad-ventures (you'll need it).

Bella, don't mind about bitter individuals such as Sputnik, he is just expressing his own mindset.

Thanks for the beauty!;-)

It would make sense only if we knew what's coming up next.
Since we don't know this we cannot base a long term win strategy around something such as: when +10 quit session, because random doesn't provide fixed amounts to be won.
You might lose much more by trying winning your session's +10 units, and/or you could win much more than 10 units from time to time.

Therefore by playing for fixed amounts, like expecting a paycheck, firstly would prevent you win more and secondly won't save you from the really bad sessions.
It's only negative in the overall, you should apply an adaptable, flexible strategy which prolongs winnings as much as possible on favorable sessions and circumvents losses as soon as possible on not favorable sessions.

One such strategy is the plateau(s) concept, originally perceived and applied by Nick the Greek back on 60's.

Try parlaying too.