Quote from: Gizmotron on August 14, 2016, 01:15:55 AM
Yes, I am going to program it. It will take about 20 minutes. I'm just currently brain dead. I'm exhausted and can't do much physically and my mind is almost blank. This is not the best way to reach a Zin-like state.

Please proceed and take your time.

Quote from: tdx on August 13, 2016, 11:48:16 PM
1) You have reached a new bankroll high
2) You won 6 times
3) After 13 spins none of the above conditions have been met


Blue angel-interesting method......not sure I understand the above rules.

Can you give examples of the 3 rules.

Thanx

I gave an example above, there were 2 cases where "sleepers" phase has been reached and in both cases 3rd rule has been applied as neither new BR high achieved, nor 6 wins.
Check the example again, scrutinize particularly the "sleepers" phase.

Gizmo,
I've created this example myself for your perusal.
I think you got the main idea, so are you going to program it?

In a way everything is an exchange and compromisation...
In an effort to improve a certain asset, you would worsen another one.

When I begin to create a method like this one, I don't check particular sequences of results, but evaluating principles.

There principles which work most of the time, while others work in certain occasions.

For example, if you are playing against a certain event to happen, this would work in certain occasions, but if your principle is being built around a fact which happens always, or most of the times, then this is the first step towards success.

The next should be, not to make my losses count more than my wins, simple as that.

It's a fact the "law of thirds", how one could take advantage of it is the real question.

Betting straight up numbers has slower drawdown and accelerated gain in comparison with all the rest bet sections, this is also a fact.

There are not better numbers, but better times to bet certain numbers.
Whether you believe in "cluster theory", "law of thirds" or not, they don't need your appreciation to exist!

Everything in the cosmos is a cycle of dualism, going forward, then backward, events happen, events disappear, people come and go.

So even when persons disappear, others replacing them to represent what the previous did and this goes on and on, actually it never stops.
Numbers are like people, "law of thirds" is not non facet, but multi facet fact, it has the ability to end on the same destination by many different paths.

You cannot go straight from Alpha to Omega, you have to make slow moves, step by step to follow what's going on and if it gets away for a while don't worry because it always coming back!

Don't expect the results to match your bets, but you have to follow the results, it's an ever changing stream of events, from which "law of thirds" flow.

Here is an example:
34}  wait for last number
8 }  bet number: 34, result -1
33} bet numbers: 34,8, result -3
16} bet numbers: 34,8,33, result -6
0 } bet numbers: 34,8,33,16, result -10
9 } bet numbers: 34,8,33,16,0, result -15
15} bet numbers: 34,8,33,16,0,9, result -21
36} bet numbers: 34,8,33,16,0,9,15 result -28
8 } bet numbers: 34,8,33,16,0,9,15,36 result 0
6 } bet number: 8, result -1
24} bet numbers: 8,6, result -3
5 } bet numbers: 8,6,24, result -6
28} bet numbers: 8,6,24,5, result -10
33} bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28, result -15
7 }  bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33, result -21
3 }  bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7, result -28
4 } bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3, result -36
26} bet numbers:8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4, result -45
34} bet numbers:8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26, result -55
2 }  bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34, result -66
36} bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2, result -78
4 } bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36, result -55
0 } bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36, result -68
24}  bet numbers :8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0, result -46
10}  bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0, result -60
8 } bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10, result -39
13} bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10, result -54
14} bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10,13, result -70
6 } bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10,13,14, result -51
13} bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10,13,14, result -32
6 } bet numbers: 8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10,13,14, result -13
20} bet numbers:8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10,13,14, result -30
26} bet numbers:8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10,13,14,20, result -12
9 } bet numbers:8,6,24,5,28,33,7,3,4,26,34,2,36,0,10,13,14,20, result -30
16} bet numbers:1,11,12,15,16,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -12 (1 win/1 bet)
3 } bet numbers:1,11,12,15,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -29 (1 win/2 bets)
6 } bet numbers:1,11,12,15,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -46 (1 win/3 bets)
26} bet numbers:1,11,12,15,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -63 (1 win/4 bets)
20} bet numbers:1,11,12,15,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -80 (1 win/5 bets)
12} bet numbers:1,11,12,15,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -61 (2 wins/6 bets)
15} bet numbers:1,11,15,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -41 (3 wins/7 bets)
5 } bet numbers:1,11,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -56 (3 wins/8 bets)
2 } bet numbers:1,11,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -71 (3 wins/9 bets)
3 } bet numbers:1,11,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -86 (3 wins/10 bets)
14} bet numbers:1,11,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -101 (3 wins/11 bets)
2 } bet numbers:1,11,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -116 (3 wins/12 bets)
18} bet numbers:1,11,17,18,19,21,22,23,25,27,29,30,31,32,35, result -95 (4 wins/13 bets)
thirteen bets on sleepers, not 6 wins, nor new BR high, restart
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18}  bet number:18, result -60
2 }  bet number:18, result -61
11} bet numbers:18,2, result -63
36} bet numbers:18,2,11, result -66
14} bet numbers:18,2,11,36, result -70
25} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14, result -75
9 }  bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25, result -81
24} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9, result -88
5 }  bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24, result -96
4 }  bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5, result -105
11} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4, result -79
23} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4, result -89
12} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23, result -100
30} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12, result -112
12} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30, result -89
8 } bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30, result -102
34} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30,8, result -116
13} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30,8,34, result -131
22} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30,8,34,13, result -147
7 } bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30,8,34,13,22, result -164
5 } bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30,8,34,13,22,7, result -146
13} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30,8,34,13,22,7, result -128
12} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30,8,34,13,22,7, result -110
10} bet numbers:18,2,11,36,14,25,9,24,5,4,23,12,30,8,34,13,22,7, result -128
12} bet numbers:0,1,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,32,33,35, result -146 (0 wins/1 bet)
1 } bet numbers:0,1,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,32,33,35, result -128 (1 win/2 bets)
32} bet numbers:0,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,32,33,35, result -109 (2 wins/3 bets)
18} bet numbers:0,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -125 (2 wins/4 bets)
5 } bet numbers:0,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -141 (2 wins/5 bets)
10} bet numbers:0,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -157 (2 wins/6 bets)
24} bet numbers:0,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -173 (2 wins/7 bets)
11} bet numbers:0,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -189 (2 wins/8 bets)
18} bet numbers:0,3,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -205 (2 wins/9 bets)
17} bet numbers:0,1,6,15,16,17,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -185 (3 wins/10 bets)
11} bet numbers:0,1,6,15,16,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -200 (3 wins/11 bets)
24} bet numbers:0,1,6,15,16,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -215 (3 wins/12 bets)
24} bet numbers:0,1,6,15,16,19,20,21,26,27,28,29,31,33,35, result -230 (3 wins/13 bets)
thirteen bets on sleepers, not 6 wins, nor new BR high, restart
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24} bet number:24, result -195
23} bet number:24, result -196
24} bet numbers:24,23, result -162
32} bet number:24, result -163
5 } bet numbers:24,32, result -165
6 } bet numbers:24,32,5 result -168
31} bet numbers:24,32,5,6 result -172
3 } bet numbers:24,32,5,6,31 result -177
27} bet numbers:24,32,5,6,31,3 result -183
20} bet numbers:24,32,5,6,31,3,27 result -190
5 } bet numbers:24,32,5,6,31,3,27,20 result -162
33} bet number:5, result -163
6 } bet numbers:5,33, result -165
18} bet numbers:5,33,6, result -168
25} bet numbers:5,33,6,18 result -172
4 } bet numbers:5,33,6,18,25 result -177
12} bet numbers:5,33,6,18,25,4 result -183
2 } bet numbers:5,33,6,18,25,4,12 result -190
21} bet numbers:5,33,6,18,25,4,12,2 result -198
18} bet numbers:5,33,6,18,25,4,12,2,21 result -171
18} bet numbers:5,33,6,18,25,4,12,2,21 result -144
33} bet number: 18, result -145
7 } bet numbers: 18,33, result -147
6 } bet numbers: 18,33,7, result -150
12} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6, result -154
16} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12, result -159
8 } bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16, result -165
28} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16,8, result -172
34} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16,8,28, result -180
30} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16,8,28,34, result -189
9 } bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16,8,28,34,30, result -199
18} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16,8,28,34,30,9, result -174
11} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16,8,28,34,30,9, result -185
11} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16,8,28,34,30,9,11, result -161
16} bet numbers: 18,33,7,6,12,16,8,28,34,30,9,11, result -137
20} bet number: 16, result -138
16} bet numbers: 16,20, result -104
20} bet number: 16, result -105
20} bet numbers: 16,20, result -71
17} bet number: 20, result -72
12} bet numbers: 20,17, result -74
16} bet numbers: 20,17,12, result -77
15} bet numbers: 20,17,12,16, result -81
12} bet numbers: 20,17,12,16,15, result -50
10} bet number: 12, result -51
34} bet numbers: 12,10 result -53
12} bet numbers: 12,10,34 result -20
8 } bet number: 12, result -21
15} bet numbers: 12,8, result -23
22} bet numbers: 12,8,15, result -26
15} bet numbers: 12,8,15,22 result +6
19} bet number: 15, result +5
21} bet numbers: 15,19, result +3
31} bet numbers: 15,19,21, result 0
22} bet numbers: 15,19,21,31, result -4
15} bet numbers: 15,19,21,31,22, result +27
36} bet number: 15, result +26
36} bet numbers: 15,36, result +60
19} bet number: 36, result +59
0 } bet numbers: 36,19, result +57
23} bet numbers: 36,19,0, result +54
17} bet numbers: 36,19,0,23, result +50
8 } bet numbers: 36,19,0,23,17, result +45
13} bet numbers: 36,19,0,23,17,8, result +39
28} bet numbers: 36,19,0,23,17,8,13, result +32
11} bet numbers: 36,19,0,23,17,8,13,28, result +24
26} bet numbers: 36,19,0,23,17,8,13,28,11, result +15
19} bet numbers: 36,19,0,23,17,8,13,28,11,26, result +41
8 } bet numbers: 36,19,0,23,17,8,13,28,11,26, result +67
16} bet number: 8, result +66
7 } bet numbers: 8,16, result +64
30} bet numbers: 8,16,7, result +61
11} bet numbers: 8,16,7,30, result +57
12} bet numbers: 8,16,7,30,11, result +52
26} bet numbers: 8,16,7,30,11,12, result +46
25} bet numbers: 8,16,7,30,11,12,26, result +39
18} bet numbers: 8,16,7,30,11,12,26,25, result +31
16} bet numbers: 8,16,7,30,11,12,26,25,18, result +58
15} bet numbers: 8,16,7,30,11,12,26,25,18, result +49
25} bet numbers: 8,16,7,30,11,12,26,25,18,15, result +75
13} bet number: 25, result +74
17} bet numbers: 25,13, result +72
14} bet numbers: 25,13,17, result +69
18} bet numbers: 25,13,17,14, result +65
17} bet numbers: 25,13,17,14,18, result +96
30} bet number: 17, result +95
25} bet numbers: 17,30, result +93
7 } bet numbers: 17,30,25, result +90
12} bet numbers: 17,30,25,7, result +86
12} bet numbers: 17,30,25,7,12, result +117

Results are from Dublinbet casino which I've attached here, you can check them if you wish in order to verify the results of my example.

Quote from: Blood Angel on August 11, 2016, 03:50:43 PM
It's called Differential Betting.

If you did the contra D'Alembert, I mean in positive way, the side with most hits would generate more profit than the loss of the other.
The classic D'Alembert increases by 1 unit after a loss, but the contra increases after a win.
Let's say you had 3 wins in a row 1+2+3=6 you are losing the 4th bet 6-4=+2  and now instead of betting 3 units on next bet, you'd bet 1.
After 1 loss you restart from scratch.

Quote from: Gizmotron on August 13, 2016, 12:10:21 AM

Absolutely. I had you down as a Wyoming survivalist prepper. 

Ken is  from Wyoming, I'm from Athens, Greece.
BTW, what's the verb wyom-ing? any idea?
Sounds like cat's voice!:-)

What about your questions?

Quote from: Gizmotron on August 12, 2016, 09:24:46 PM
Had me fooled.

You thought my native language is English?

Quote from: Gizmotron on August 12, 2016, 08:20:51 PM
I can, but I will have to make sure that I fully understand it. So I will ask questions just to make sure that I get it. I will also include each bet's telemetry so that the bets and results add up as the system describes that it should add up. It's my way of debugging any programming mistakes.

Go on, shoot any question you like.
However, I'm not English native speaker but I'll give my best to describe it as properly as possible.

Quote from: Gizmotron on August 12, 2016, 05:33:59 PM
Do you program? Can you sim this? This is covered under that very tempting "law of thirds" phenomenon. What I like is the steps from one to eighteen that are added. I wonder what the balance point is. How many wins must occur just to break even. A few early wins might be far beyond any break point. I wonder if determining the hottest 18 numbers with 74 spins first might add to the choices.


Just brain storming.

Actually I've not coded it but anyone who wishes to do so, be my guest.

This method is only flat bets, betting is non stop, doesn't need charting.

If and when you reached the point where you bet 18 appeared numbers without reaching new BR high, the next bet is always for the 18 unshown numbers, thus you change from 18 shown to 18 unshown numbers and each time one of those hits, you are removing it from the bet selection.

Most of the cycles will end in new bankroll high without even reaching the unshown numbers betting, a few cycles will be in negative, but recovery doesn't have to happen within the same cycle, not even within the same session/day.
The aim is the long term profit, by long term I mean within a maximum of 5 days/sessions you are on new high.
Not like aiming new high per month or year! 

Gizmo, please be my guest and code it, could you do it precisely the way I describe it?

This is a flat betting method which attempts to profit from repeaters and sleepers.

Start by betting the last spun number and add each new number.
Continue this way till new bankroll high or till you have bet 18 unique numbers.

Whenever you reach a new high before you bet 18 uniques, restart by betting the last spun number.
When you have bet 18 uniques without new high, this means there were 19 unique numbers including your last loss, continue by betting the remaining 18 sleepers.

Whenever a "sleeper" awakes remove it from the bet selection, thus gradually you would bet 18, then 17, then 16, 15, 14, and finally 13 numbers, aiming to win 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 and 23 units respectively.
As a safeguard we will bet those "sleepers" till one of the following conditions happens first:

1) You have reached a new bankroll high
2) You won 6 times
3) After 13 spins none of the above conditions have been met

Restart from scratch and repeat the procedure

Quote from: NathanDetroit on August 02, 2016, 05:39:28 PM
Beating any game of chance is   utopia . Resign to a winning  session once  in a  while is reality.

So hit and run is your solution?!

I thought after so many years of your experience you would come with something more clever than that.

Quote from: Nickmsi on August 01, 2016, 05:08:48 PM
BA . . .

In theory it is a great idea to play a 50/50 system with the hopes it will ride the waves of profit/loss so you can take advantage of it.  In reality, Variance does not allow it.

If the results were all chops, RBRBRBRB OR RRBBRRBBRRBB then we could possibly do it.  In reality we also have streaks of wins and streaks of losses.  The attached graph is for betting Red only,  a 50/50 system.  It can take up to 25,000 spins/hands to get bet back to profit,  not practical in this instance.

The VDW tweaks that I am testing, either win or lose, I can't find one that breaks even.

Gizmatron. . . I agree that RNG and the seeding problem might affect results so we have included in the bot,  9 RNG sources to choose from. See attached pic.  Now we can verify results using different RNG sources. 

Vic is squashing a few bugs in the bot today so we will be re-testing 28 tweaks of the VDW system this week and will report the results when known.


Cheers

Nick

But since you know better than that why to bother??

We have a bigger ''fish'' to grill...right Nick? 

Quote from: MarkTeruya on August 01, 2016, 01:47:17 PM
When I venture to new venue, it doesn't take them long to realize I'm not your average ploopie and that I actually might know what I'm doing. Those venues I frequent regularly remain wary, despite having seen me lose. 

Strange, I think I've heard this thing before...

Quote from: Albalaha on July 31, 2016, 03:28:32 PM
Knowledge of science and maths help us to understand the power of nature and life and to make it better.

In order to improve something you have to understand how it works, therefore the limits of progress are being determined only by the capacity of our knowledge and awareness.