Quote from: TheLaw on February 25, 2016, 12:15:24 AM
Hey Blue,

Have you tested this method without the bet selection to see if a higher bankroll would still beat it using the basic system?

Also, I presented this on Roulette.cc (with credit given), and they didn't even consider it for a minute due to the Marty-ness of it.

Steve (owner) even weighed in, and claimed that it would fail with no real explanation.

This seems odd, and makes me wonder about some people's motives.

Thanks!

No, I've not because I believe selection is half of everything, it's very important so I will never dismiss it.

If you are talking about S. Hourmouzis, almost everybody who has been involved in roulette forums knows who he really is...and unfortunately has Greek origin like me, but I believe this fact alone says nothing about the rest of the Greeks.

Quote from: Mr J on February 24, 2016, 08:59:42 PM
It can't be a timing issue of when to bet. Your HE is still the same(?) Give me an example of "timing", the HE is now lower than 5.26% (2.7%). This is the problem I have, I feel there are GREAT numbers to bet and at GREAT times to make those bets *BUT* according to the math, it makes no difference.

Another example >> you wait until one street has yet to hit, then start long progression on it. I can sit here and say, don't bet on sleepers, there is nothing special about the 13 14 15 etc., then I have my awesome method (3 numbers) .......according to the math, my 3 numbers are no better/worse than the guy chasing that street? (lol) Its mind boggling.

Ken

I agree in this one, timing can and it makes the difference between winners and losers.
I believe timing is everything, for example let's say that I always bet the same numbers, no matter what numbers I bet, eventually these numbers will disappear for long enough time.

Let's say I bet randomly number 24 and after 5 spins it hits and on the next day I'm betting the same number and it disappears for 400 spins, so what's number 24? Is it good or bad bet??

Red has the same HE as Black has but choosing one instead of the other can make the whole difference between win and loss.

From the other hand luck is good WHEN it's with us, BUT it's NOT always on our way.
Is there a way to control luck?
Would/could you control the outcomes?
Could you change the payouts?

If your answers are NO to the above questions, then you are on the right way, keep going.
So what do we really control?

When to start and to stop, bet selection and bet amount.
The factor "when" should determine the betting selection and the betting selection should determine the bet amount.

EVERY number is 100% certainty that it has appeared and will reappear sooner or later, so why not everybody wins?
There is a "distance" between our bet and the desired result, this distance cannot be overcomed by the most gamblers for the majority of the times.

What a progression does? Isn't that it tries to "bridge" our selection towards the desired result?
Therefore we are constantly striving for a balance between prediction precision and progression efficiency.

I consider the best strategies these which can deal even with very bad results, all of those have a common element: FLEXIBILITY!

I'm printing excel pages for charting casino sessions, I use a board in A4 page size in order to be able to write even when I'm not seating down.

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Quote from: Big EZ on February 24, 2016, 08:50:37 PM

Thanks for that info.....


This may sound like a silly question, but is a cycle only considered a cycle on placed bets?

Yes, only when you bet matters, whatever you see without betting doesn't alter the progression.
My progression goes up and down according the money won and/or lost.

That's why in the rules of my method I instruct to chart the 1st cycle before you begin betting, but never said to begin from 2 units because you've already 1 cycle on paper, there is BIG difference!

The initial charting without betting is something you do only once in the beginning of every session, after you start betting you keep on writing but never stop betting till you end the session.

The point of charting is for the bet selection, which in my opinion is the half of everything, the other half is the progression, none of these 2 elements should be underestimated!

Quote from: Tomla on February 24, 2016, 09:25:22 PM
! have played bacc shoe by shoe and never lost, increasing 1 unit a shoe until ahead----bet selection hardly mattered and i haven't done it for awhile

I think this way is more conservative and in my opinion you need a bit more aggressive approach.

Quote from: Blue_Angel on February 23, 2016, 04:07:41 PM
For the first cycle of 37 spins the SD is 2.23

For the first 2 cycles (74 spins) the SD is 3.32

For the first 3 cycles (111 spins) the SD is 4.36

For the first 4 cycles (148 spins) the SD is 4.69

For the first 5 cycles (185 spins) the SD is 5.10

For the first 6 cycles (222 spins) the SD is 5.29

The net profit of 61.5 is being achieved on the 229th spin and at that time the SD was 4.94

The maximum drawdown was on 202nd spin with -530.5 and 5.50 SD

87 wins 37.99% / 142 losses 62.01% at 229th spin which made the breakthrough

Quote from: Blue_Angel on February 23, 2016, 06:47:28 PM
For the first cycle of 38 spins the SD is 3.16

For the first 2 cycles (76 spins) the SD is 3

For the first 3 cycles (114 spins) the SD is 3.32

For the first 4 cycles (152 spins) the SD is 3.60

For the first 5 cycles (190 spins) the SD is 4.12

For the first 6 cycles (228 spins) the SD is 4

The net profit of 29 units is being achieved on the 234th spin and at that time the SD was 3.74

The maximum drawdown was on 215th spin with -451 units and 4.56 SD


The darkest hour is just before the dawn...

97 wins 41.45% / 137 losses 58.55%

Horror session #3
===========================
S=spin R=result B=bet T=total

S         R       B        T
1.        L        1      -1
2.        L        1      -2
3.        L        1      -3
4.       W        1      -2
5.        L        1      -3
6.        L        1      -4
7.       W        1      -3
8.        L        1      -4
9.        L        1      -5
10.      L        1      -6
11.      L        1      -7
12.      L        1      -8
13.      W       1      -7
14.      L        1      -8
15.      L        1      -9
16.      L        1      -10
17.      W       1      -9
18.      L        1      -10
19.      L        1      -11
20.      W       1      -10
21.      L        1      -11
22.      W       1      -10
23.      W       1      -9
24.      L        1      -10
25.      W       1      -9
26.      L        1      -10
27.      L        1      -11
28.      W       1      -10
29.      L        1      -11
30.      W       1      -10
31.      L        1      -11
32.      W       1      -10
33.      L        1      -11
34.      W       1      -10
35.      L        1      -11
36.      L        1      -12
37.      W       1      -11
38.      L        2      -13 <---- BET RAISES TO 2 UNITS
39.      L        2      -15
40.      W       2      -13
41.      W       2      -11
42.      L        2      -13
43.      W       2      -11
44.      L        2      -13
45.      L        2      -15
46.      L        2      -17
47.      L        2      -19
48.      L        2      -21
49.      W       2      -19
50.      W       2      -17
51.      W       2      -15
52.      L        2      -17
53.      L        2      -19
54.      W       2      -17
55.      L        2      -19
56.      W       2      -17
57.      W       2      -15
58.      L        2      -17
59.      L        2      -19
60.      W       2      -17
61.      L        2      -19
62.      W       2      -17
63.      L        2      -19
64.      W       2      -17
65.      L        2      -19
66.      W       2      -17
67.      L        2      -19
68.      W       2      -17
69.      L        2      -19
70.      W       2      -17
71.      L        2      -19
72.      W       2      -17
73.      L        2      -19
74.      W       2      -17
75.      L        4      -21 <---- BET RAISES TO 4 UNITS
76.      W       4      -17
77.      L        4      -21
78.      W       4      -17
79.      L        4      -21
80.      L        4      -25
81.      W       4      -21
82.      L        4      -25
83.      W       4      -21
84.      L        4      -25
85.      W       4      -21
86.      L        4      -25
87.      W       4      -21
88.      L        4      -25
89.      W       4      -21
90.      L        4      -25
91.      L        4      -29
92.      W       4      -25
93.      L        4      -29
94.      W       4      -25
95.      L        4      -29
96.      W       4      -25
97.      W       4      -21
98.      L        4      -25
99.      W       4      -21
100.    L        4      -25 
101.    W       4      -21
102.    L        4      -25
103.    W       4      -21
104.    L        4      -25
105.    W       4      -21
106.    L        4      -25
107.    W       4      -21
108.    L        4      -25
109.    L        4      -29
110.    W       4      -25
111.    L        4      -29
112.    W       8      -21 <---- BET RAISES TO 8 UNITS
113.    L        8      -29
114.    W       8      -21
115.    L        8      -29
116.    W       8      -21
117.    W       8      -13
118.    L        8      -21
119.    L        8      -29
120.    W       8      -21
121.    L        8      -29
122.    W       8      -21
123.    L        8      -29
124.    W       8      -21
125.    L        8      -29
126.    W       8      -21
127.    W       8      -13
128.    L        8      -21
129.    W       8      -13
130.    L        8      -21
131.    W       8      -13
132.    L        8      -21
133.    W       8      -13
134.    L        8      -21
135.    L        8      -29
136.    W       8      -21
137.    L        8      -29
138.    W       8      -21
139.    W       8      -13
140.    L        8      -21
141.    W       8      -13
142.    L        8      -21
143.    L        8      -29
144.    L        8      -37
145.    L        8      -45
146.    L        8      -53
147.    W       8      -45
148.    L        8      -53
149.    W      16     -37 <---- BET RAISES TO 16 UNITS
150.    W      16     -21
151.    W      16     -5
152.    L       16     -21
153.    W      16     -5
154.    L       16     -21
155.    W      16     -5
156.    L       16     -21
157.    W      16     -5
158.    L       16     -21
159.    W      16     -5
160.    L       16     -21
161.    W      16     -5
162.    L       16     -21
163.    L       16     -37
164.    L       16     -53
165.    L       16     -69
166.    L       16     -85
167.    L       16     -101
168.    W      16     -85
169.    L       16     -101
170.    W      16     -85
171.    W      16     -69
172.    L       16     -85
173.    W      16     -69
174.    W      16     -53
175.    L       16     -69
176.    W      16     -53
177.    L       16     -69
178.    L       16     -85
179.    L       16     -101
180.    L       16     -117
181.    W      16     -101
182.    W      16     -85
183.    W      16     -69
184.    L       16     -85
185.    W      16     -69
186.    L       32     -101 <---- BET RAISES TO 32 UNITS
187.    L       32     -133
188.    W      32     -101
189.    L       32     -133
190.    L       32     -165
191.    W      32     -133
192.    L       32     -165
193.    W      32     -133
194.    L       32     -165
195.    W      32     -133
196.    L       32     -165
197.    W      32     -133
198.    L       32     -165
199.    W      32     -133
200.    L       32     -165
201.    W      32     -133 <----- NEEDS TO CONTINUE

It seems unrealistic these kind of results, for 201 spins there wasn't more than 3 wins in a row, also the important thing which is missing is the bet selection, how to select when you don't post the numbers?!
It could someone made it up out of his head!

In case you have not understood it yet I'm going to make it clear, my bankroll is 600 units and I continue till I'm in the positive and gained a satisfactory profit, if I don't lose my bankroll means I've not lost the session.
From now on you will provide numbers and not w / l because the selection of which EC is very important.

Was that clear enough "beat the wheel" ??

Quote from: Tomla on February 24, 2016, 07:23:30 PM
Well done Blue angel, big sets like project 201.......
this test reminds me of our lost gambling guru albahala

Indeed, Albahala uses the same philosophy on his betting and is one of the very few pro gamblers in this forum.

Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on February 24, 2016, 04:51:36 AM
that's the real problem.

Since every group will RTM in 'certain' CYCLES-of-37spins.

We may wait for a few 37spins cycle, say, Y cycles,

then look for sleeper group, and bet that group,

for X spins, hoping the sleeper will wake up, and , or cluster,
thus bring in profit.


Thus the question, is HOW, to determine the Y and X.
Thanks in advance.

My approach in the game is very different than what you present.

From my perspective there is not such a thing as independent results, if it was the case we would experience statistics which have never occurred in roulette's history and the casinos wouldn't be able to establish payouts according probability.

Probability is always valid but the gamblers' fallacy emerged by the unrealistic expectation of probability has to conform in the short term.

It would be true if there was no variance in the equation, many consider it as enemy, me as a great guide.

So the name is variance, not independence.

Another mistaken belief is that house edge is the only winner in the long term, perhaps you might want to reconsider...!

Let's say I go with the flow and back only what happens more than its probability, for the house edge to catch up with me all sections have to balance, which eventually happens but who said that I'll keep on betting something which is turning cold...

You have to realize that if one thing can make the difference this has to be the variance, variance is much greater player than house edge!

An EC contains 18 times more numbers than a single number but its payout is 35 times less.

A cycle for any EC is two spins with 72.97% probability of at least one hit, (72.97 * 1) - (27.03 * 3) = 72.97 - 81.09 = -8.12
(72.97 + 81.09) / 8.12 = 154.06 / 8.12 = 18.97% disadvantage

A cycle for any single number is 37 spins with 64.86% probability of at least one hit, (64.86 * 17) - (35.14 * 37) = 1102.62 - 1300.18 = -197.56
(1102.62 +1300.18) / 197.56 = 2402.80 / 197.56 = 12.16% disadvantage

The aftermath is that higher amount is not equivalent with higher disadvantage, neither more numbers with more advantage.
More important is the what than how much.

To be true I wouldn't select this way, also don't confuse my bet progression for EC's with 4 numbers.

Any EC includes 18 numbers which need much less time to average out than 4 numbers, in fact an EC needs 4.5 times less spins.

In other words, even if you had the required bankroll and proper table limits, you would not play for 27 consecutive cycles of 37 spins each!

Always keep in mind the extremes, that's how I have calculated.

However, betting straight up numbers provides an advantage which EC's don't, you can pick all cold (underperforming) or all hot (overperforming) numbers.

Cold and hot EC"s never contain all hot or every cold number, thus improved selection accuracy.

It seems that you cannot have one without the other, but what if we could combine both advantages into one selection??
How you might ask, the answer is by selecting 18 least shown numbers, those which appeared less than their probability (1/37)

Of course you would need also 18 times the bankroll of an EC, if for example you need 600 units in order to come on top even with the most extreme deviations, for singles you would need 10800 units for applying my progression in the same manner as on EC's.

The much higher bankroll is being compensated by equivalently higher profit, your lows will be lower and your highs will be higher.
Greater volatility doesn't affect the wins to losses ratio, this remains the same.

Quote from: Big EZ on February 23, 2016, 10:57:09 PM
Blue Angel....


Would the cycle of bets that you are using here for roulette (37) be different if this was american wheel, would it then be cycle of 38? And what if this is applied to baccarat, what's the cycle number then?

Yes.

About card games such as Baccarat, multiply 6 decks by 52 cards and deduct from the total 25% OR multiply 8 decks by 52 cards and deduct from the total 33%
234 to 278 are the playable cards for each shoe, if we consider 5 cards as the average for each result we arrive to:
234 + 278 = 512 / 2 = 256 / 5 = 51 hands per shoe approximately.

We could round it up to 50 hands/results as 1 cycle.

Just imagine the moon as the rotating white ball and earth as the rotor of the wheel which is rotating around its axis, science knows the exact orbit and speed of those celestial spheres, therefore they can predict with certainty and accuracy where the moon will be after a day, a week, a month...etc
Let me give you a few clues, the rotation of the moon around earth is on the same direction like the spin of the earth around its axis.
For a complete rotation around its axis needs 23.97 hours,while the moon needs 27.23 days for a full revolution around the earth.

Do you remember PI theorem?
Let me refresh your memory, the circumference of any given circle when it's divided by its diameter it always results 3.14

A sphere like the moon or a ball is a three dimensional circle, also the rotation, spinning, is a cyclic movement.
You could notice everywhere this cyclic patterns, from spiral galaxies, tornados, typhoons, planet orbits, to life cycle, money cycle, epidemies, seasons cycle, hands of clock clockwise and counterclockwise circles (time) and so on.

At ancient Greece there was a symbol among others which have been crafted in a magnificent ring,they call it "Ourovoros Ophis", literally means the serpent which bites its tail, this form represents the cycle, a symbol which means the endless, eternal, unity, infinite, the one within everything and everything within the one.

Why do you think a circle has 360 degrees and a year 365 days? Do you think is just a coincidence?
If you cannot connect the clues so far, then you wouldn't be able to go further because this is the fundamental understanding of how things work.
Roulette wheel/game is no exception of the universal laws, a wheel is a circle, with the absence of number 0 would have been 36 numbers on the layout, thus 36 numbers of 10 degrees each in order to convert to the 360 degrees cycle.

But like on the annual cycle which has been added 5 days and comes to balance with a leap year every 4 years, something similar happened with roulette's layout, it has been added one more pocket, therefore 37 pockets around the wheel.
This change is trivial and can not influence in a meaningful way the universal law, roulette is no exception to this rule.
There are circles within circles and all of them are PI proportions, if you divide the wheel's layout in 4 sections by forming a cross you will get 4 groups of 9, let's forget for a moment the 0.

If a quarter of the wheel is 9 numbers then this section is 90 degrees or 1/4 of PI.
Orthogonal triangles have 90 degrees, their straight angle points toward a direction.
Each section of the wheel forms a different geometric figure, it's always a proportion of the total degrees.

Every new result is a new data stream towards us, consider it as a point in time and space.
Try to transform the curvy section of the wheel in a linear distance, do the same for three consecutive points.
Deduct the difference between them and apply it on the next spin.
But you have to remember that the direction will be the reversed opposite of the previous one.

When you combine the PI=3.14 and FI=1.618 you come to Golden Ratio or Golden Proportion, multiply them and divide them to see the result.
When you multiply them you find a figure very near 5, when you divide them you find approximately 2.
5 and 2 are the two opposite ends of the same "rope", out of 3 points we calculate a new direction in space, over the pinpoint pocket/number, cover its left and right neighbours for a total of 3 selections, bet them only twice.
Then repeat the process again and again, never raise your bet, always bet the same.

What I've tried to explain here can also be proved by science, just read wikipedia article about "action in distance", Bell's theorem, Bell's curve...etc