Someone I know wrote this:


"Being thoroughly invested in what one is doing means identifying with one's state, which implies knowing what one's actual experience or situation is, and since nothing remains static, this also means identifying with the flow of one's states, trusting in the current of life (Yontef, 1993). As a figure of interest emerges from the situational background, the person identifies with that figure and becomes so invested, so immersed in it, that the background drops away and out of awareness (Perls, Hefferline, & Goodman, 1951)–even though it is always there to offer context for the interpretation of experience."

Nickmsi, First off I get an average of 30 spins per hour at the B&M. My hardest session, to reach my three net win goal, was 4 hours. I can often reach my win goal in 30 to 40 minutes or less. I can tell you absolutely for sure that I will get fatigued after a 4 hour session. I'd be done for the day. I used to play for the long ten hour sessions. It just makes me susceptible to making lazy mistakes.


I no longer wait for the big streaks. I see what I'm looking for in the chaos. Remember, I'm swing trading on the candle stick movement of the little swings that go on and on all day long.


All I do is start out guarded that my effectiveness is not starting out in a free fall state. There is always a perfect killer sequence of randomness that takes out continuing conditions on the first actual bet placed. That free fall can last for several spins in a row. That perfect harmony causes the free fall situation. I can't avoid it. So I play as if it too is a natural condition of randomness. I expect the killer sequence to make a short visit. Every loss could be an indication that the free fall condition is starting. I just place a no value, virtual bet in my chart for each bet until it subsides. You can see when a free fall ends. Then you go back to swing trading the Roulette table.


Some times I get to play Rapid Roulette at the casinos that have it. In that case there is a spin every minute. So you get 60 spins per hour. What I do is easy for me. But I trained myself to see trends, patterns, and layered trend formations of the same characteristics. So what I do is easy on my brain. The casino can't stop a trend formation from occurring in the randomness. The basic sleeping dozen or streak of singles using the three dozen's of a grouping is so common that you can see the larger picture so easy that it's almost laughable when everyone does not see it. To me it's free money. To everyone else it is whatever their interests are. They are not focused on randomness, or patterns. That's like you. You have a bot that does all the thinking for you. I wrote an AI bot for my school so that it would demonstrate how I make selections. I did it so I would not have to get deep in the weeds giving out examples. People wanted real examples. I always wanted to do it too, so I did. It only looks for two characteristics and does very basic swing trading. But it makes the point. It's not a mindless set of rules. It looks out for bad streaks. I do way better than it too. So I hit my goal by win streaks or by chaotic natural change formations. That might sound like a bunch of hog wash. But you all should know this. I'm prepared to win because of an acquired skill set. I also know that by taking a small amount off of many different casinos and I will fly under their radar. You can take a thousand off a casino in small chunks without them batting an eye. A bot doing that too many times is going to draw attention.

Snowman:

QuoteClaiming that you can predict randomness is an oxymoron at best.

"That's why I never claim that I can predict randomness. You don't need to predict anything. You just have to know what characteristics of normal random events look like. Nobody can tell when a trend will start, end, or continue. Yet those three things happen all day long. But what is real interesting is how expectation has an effect on people in a form of a kind of blinding them. If you can't predict something, you should never fall into the trap of expecting a thing to happen, except in cases where a different skill like VB or apparatus defects may be considered. But leaving out those skills, expectation is a trap. But then there is this: You can guess until your guesses are in sink with win streaks. At that point you are still just blindly guessing, but your sequence of guesses can fall into a perfect 100% pattern with your winning bets. You can still do well in a casino if your bets/guesses are just running at 80%. It all comes down to being agile enough to hit the good streak harder than the bad streaks. For that you need to use your brains. Stupid people should leave the difficult stuff to the smart ones. Everybody wants to get on the expectation band wagon. They want an easy win. And that is why sharing what works is not really that dangerous to those of us that can do it. D. Sir is not worried about sharing his expertise. It's a highly refined skill. It has to be."

I just read your other thread regarding how you play in the real world. I find it easy to relate to and it almost perfectly describes  the way how I used to play. I would go into a casino with a good sized bankroll and almost always have it grind its way down to the very bottom before hitting that streak that I would attack and kill the casino in a massive winning streak with. I didn't mind being ground down to almost nothing. It was just part of the process. Now I play completely different. I still have the stop loss at 8 net losses, that's eight lost bets without any recovery to bring me back. I also have a stop bet where the bet selections all enter a free fall state. I just wait it out with virtual bets. As soon as the free fall stops I get back in. I now stay until I hit my swing trading limit up. I no longer hunt the huge win streaks. But if a huge win streak forms up, I still hammer that. But most of the time there is no need for it. I don't descend very far. That's what is different now. There is no need for waiting for the huge winner. I don't dig a deep hole that I must work my way back from. The three net win method is good enough. It's easy to hit. In real world practice I win every time. And in recollection of years played in the past the roller coaster rides I used to take always had me up by three net wins at some point before losing my session buy in. Some day I will hit a lost session. Or I might even hit a string of lost sessions. But I just don't play not minding hitting deep holes anymore. I don't feed a loser. $5 chips times 24 numbers and three net wins = $180. Ten sessions like that in a long weekend and that's $1,800. Add that to my retirement and I'm out traveling and having a great time. So that's my starting point plan. I should be able to prove to myself if I can win or not. I found a way to overcome my own playing demons. It only took 12 years. I'm not saying it's better. I'm saying it's best for me.

Quote from: alrelax on March 10, 2018, 12:41:27 PM
Mark, Would you not agree that there are two separate worlds?  The on-line adventure to 'beat-the-casino- on paper and the real gambling world at the casinos?

If you are saying that the online adventure is a quest to find a mindless mechanical system online and then take it into a casino to use it, assuming that no mistakes will be made, then there might not be a noticeable difference. If anyone is willing to do real world power testing of a system then the results would be the same. This is proven by expert card counters in the game of 21. But what really happens to most of these people is that they don't do the work to become expert card counters. When they go into the real casino they make mistakes. In that case there is a huge difference.


TurboGenius is still claiming that he beats the casinos with the use of hot numbers and that he does that because of mathematics. He even just made that claim today. A bunch of us set out to master his method based on breadcrumbs and clues he left online and in private conversations he had with others. I already proved I could make a rear-end of myself trying it. The only evidence of validation he could give me at this point would be his gambling winning tax return. He could somehow disclose it as proof without giving out SS numbers I suppose. It would be fascinating if he really did it. But he has been a system player for more than 13 years. He may actually believe he did it on paper. They call it confirmation bias. It's a very common mistake made by educated researchers.


If anyone that has a bet selection method that works well for them in real world practice settings, that person must also know that once they put money on the line that they could lose, they will have to face their own ability to handle any inevitable losses along the way. The system player, if they stick to the system, takes decision making out of the process. But even that is very hard to do. A very good card counter can still hit a random bad streak even though they have followed the method perfectly. That is why casinos encourage card counters to try and go for it. The casinos have made ten times as much off the wannabee card counters as they would have if the casino had just banned all of them. These amateur players almost always get taken out by their weak bankrolls. And it's real easy to find the good players and just ban them instead. So there are two kinds of online players and there are two kinds of real casino players in my opinion. There are no mindless system players that the casinos need to look out for. They do have to watch out for defective wheels though. And they still need to watch out for cheaters.

Quote from: Bally6354 on March 09, 2018, 07:41:52 PM
Going by what you requested, it seems you just wanted to take the basic concept and proof to yourself that it didn't work. Good for you.
Mr J was bang on with what he said on Kav's forum the other day and that was that some people just REFUSE to learn. But you are in good company Giz. Keep doing it your way.

You are right. I wanted to prove it doesn't work. I've yet to see a method that mindlessly, in a mechanical fashion, uses math to give an actual advantage in the game of Roulette. I mean that is up there with counting cards in 21. It would be a real advantage. So where are the bean counters for this? This stuff has been around since the beginning of the 20th century. That is the missing thing in all this. What I want to know is anyone going into real casinos and capitalizing on it. Where are the MIT gambling teams for this? If you look real close to this thing it is nothing more than a law of thirds packaged in such an extraneous way as to make it look official. I just got done with TurboGenius's law of third system. It looks convincing on the outside but fails to materialize in the real world. I'm not posturing. I'm willing to do a lot of hard work. This is vapor ware. Nobody has made the final argument on this. That is what is missing from the internet forums. So Take it to the casino and put money on the line. That is a the real test.

Please try to give me the best example of a step by step simple set of rules in an example. It could be a link to a single post already somewhere in those 30 pages of posts. It might take a new fictitious example. I don't want to read 30 pages to find it. Then I will decide to code test it to the max.




On second thought please don't bother or to waste your time. I've looked at several threads regarding this around the internet. It's a baloney festival. For every sequence that triggers a decision you will get a balance of opposing triggers that will equivocate to more balance. Nobody knows when a trend will start or end, or for how long it will last.

Bally6354, you are right. It's possible for there to be a first time. It's my opinion that this is not it. Has anyone validated your findings? Has anyone power tested it with algorithms that are correctly constructed? I don't have time to power test it myself. I can read someone else's software code faster than I can understand explanations of the method placed somewhere in those 30 pages. I need a simple rule based set of commands. I can take it from there. But people don't like to explain things with the simple step by step method. Somebody created a test for it in a spreadsheet. Do you have the code for that? I can look for the weakness that way. It is my opinion that the most unlikely to occur sequence will happen just often enough to make it a loser. BTW


This: "Ramsey theory, named after the British mathematician and philosopher Frank P. Ramsey, is a branch of mathematics that studies the conditions under which order must appear."


Go for it. Telling me that order must appear that beats large number theory is for sure a unique way to beat Roulette. But I'll stick with my axiom "nobody knows when a trend will start or end or how long it will last."

One thing about this Ramsay Theory stuff. It is my experience that when you use any unique sequence to beat the odds you are in fact counting on an expectation that outperforms the mathematically expected results.  In the long run, performing a real world power testing of large number results, you will find that the perfect sequence to kill this will happen just enough to render it statistically normal at the same value of the single event house advantage.


Certainly by now that 30 page thread here must have been power tested and confirmed? It sure worked because Roulette, Baccarat, Craps, and Blackjack have all been shut down by it. Or not.

Quote from: BEAT-THE-WHEEL on March 08, 2018, 04:05:29 AM
NOT TREND IS SOMETHING, because it alternate with trending...
a quote needs pondering,   hard...

What happens when the long sleeping dozen does not happen? I'm calling that the not trend. What happens when the streak of singles in the dozens or columns is not happening? That's also the not trend. Of course you should hammer the long streak or trend while it's continuing. But when there is an absence of a known trend or pattern what do you have in your playing chart? I mean this stuff that is not a trend is always peppered throughout my charts.


I almost always have at least one best trend occurring, be it a pattern or a dominance of some kind in one of four groups that make up 12 unique dozens that I chart. I chart to see what is happening. But there is this short lived chaos that sits between the obvious trends. This stuff has a nature to itself too. It reveals a kind of continuation on its own, even though it's almost always in short bursts.


I like the short bursts now. You should too. I ignored this advice from Spike when he started talking about it. The chaos happens more often than any other trend. It almost always presents itself somewhere in my 12 dozens. It even exists inside of my big obvious trends.


I can't teach it to you. You have to already have a foundation in trend and pattern recognition before you can recognize it. Now that is not my fault. So please don't complain. You can't ski in the world cup downhill after taking your first 10 ski lessons in the first month or two of your first ski season. You must build a foundation to stand on. That takes a lot of hard work. That's a work plan that I have given to everyone at this forum as a free road-map.


Nobody gave that to me. I had to invent it myself. You start by recognizing trends and patterns very quickly. I've created free software so that you can learn how I do just that. It's been here for years. It takes the work, practice, and playing experience to know what works and what does not work. Hidden in all the work that you put in are the secrets some of you complain as just being hints. These vacuous and misty impressions from my writings are in fact milestone markers depicting progress you should be able to relate to. If you can't it only signals to me that you have not done any work. I can see where any of you are coming from just from your questions.


For the past 11 years I have flogged to death trends and reading randomness. I know for a fact that this is where an uncontrollable weakness lies in the form of opportunities on every Roulette table. But I have found that seeing and attacking a trend is not enough. You must know your own human nature when you gamble. You must know what motivates you. You must know what is reasonable to expect. You must also admit that even though you have a great bet selection method you must also expect the perfect killer sequence to wreck all  your expectations at some times. 


I put everything here at this betselection forum because for some reason I'm still alive with heart failure. I just want my work to mean something. So here is the best hint I can pass on to anyone. Do the work.

Quote from: Sputnik on March 07, 2018, 05:17:56 PMSo i have nothing against you other then know your true colours 

I'm genuinely sorry that you didn't get the real hint. I value my secrets to such a degree that I'm not stupid enough to blab them on a gambling forum where people hang out in hopes of being given a real trade secret.  I don't gamble often because I'm on a fixed retirement income. It takes a long time to save up for a good bankroll. I'm doing that now. I'm not ashamed to be who I am. I was a rock climber and a mountain climber for more than 35 years. We know to leave someone behind that would get ourselves killed if we tried to save them. I feel the same for demanding people that have given themselves the right to pass judgment on me, and to make claims of knowing my motives and  my true colors, as you suggest that you know. You are the beggar here, asking for the secret to trend or streak betting. How much effort have you put in to actually figuring out these answers on your own? I figured out all the answers on my own. I even figured out that trends have many many characteristics and that the only trend that matters is your current effectiveness trend. So why don't you get back in orbit.

Quote from: Sputnik on March 07, 2018, 03:39:04 PM
The question should be when to enter and exist each bias to catch the next coming one.
You will only get valid and true answer from me with hard core facts and real examples.

I hinted at what I use here, somewhere in all my posts here at betselectionDOTcc. I discovered something that almost always happens while searching for the obvious streaks. So catching the entry and/or continuation points doesn't actually thrill me much. I exposed this stuff at my school. I won't at this time disclose it here. There is good reason too. Anyone should be able to find this stuff out if they just take the hint anyway. All I can tell you is that there is always something happening that remains continuous, even when you haven't thought of looking at it as a trend. For example the not-trend is something.


Sorry for no hard facts and real examples. My need to be cryptic is more important to me than your "valid and true answer."

I used to play for one or two major streaks per session. In all that I did not mind getting way behind. I knew I would hammer the casino in the huge streak. That was my method for almost a decade. So now, I have self control and stay out of deep dives. I know to get the easy win and end the session. It's just what makes sense for me. Perhaps it is not for everyone. But that is what I will do once I get back to playing.

Well, there's the test. I know for a fact that I have made it very hard for myself as a gambler just because I wanted more.


I could be a millionaire if I wanted to be just by using self control. Anyone can devise a system if they knew they would win three net bets every time they went to gamble. Even two net wins is enough.


The government, here in the USA, defines a millionaire as anyone that earns a quarter of a million dollars for four consecutive years in a row. Now that may have changed over the decades. If you gamble 250 days of the year and just take $1,000 off the casino each day you are there. So, "inch by inch, anything is a cinch."

Just remember this too. You must know how to get out of a trend as well. The first loss is an indicator that a perfect trend is coming to an end, UNLESS you are in a trend that is a dominance typed trend. A dominance formation is when you get a long streak of a thing with very few losses peppered in along the way. This kind of thing might have a signal that only one loss occurs at a time while riding the dominate wave. So in that case 2 losses in a row might signal the end of the streak. If you have hammered the casino already then consider yourself as being in the right place at the right time. Accept that the streak will have it's own unique ending. Accept good enough. It's what you came for. Don't let the ending of a streak take back all your progress. Become an experienced expert at watching how trends and streaks end.

Disclaimer: I have yet to prove I can beat a casino 100 % of the time.