Can you play this program for years without lsing the entire series?

Here is the Money Management program.

10 10 10 10 10 10 10

20 20 20 20 20 20

40 40 40 40 40

60 60 60 60

There is a story that one person using this program had won 16 months without losing the entire series.

Here is how the program works.

As you can see the first level of the series consists of:

10 10 10 10 10 10 10

The only thing you do is bet 11 on your first bet.
When you win that first bet, you add it to your bankroll.
If you lose that first bet, your next bet is 11 again.

You keep on betting 11 units until you show a profit, or lose the entire level.
You have to be down 7 units to lose the entire level.
If you lose the entire series you will be down around 77.

If this occurs you would start to bet on level 2 which is 22 a bet.
You keep betting on this level until you show a profit or around 80.

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When you have accompliched this, you will have recouped all your losses from level 1.
plus small profit.
You would go back up to level 1 and start a new series.
If you had a lost the entire level 2 you would mov on to level 3.

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Here is what happens with this program.

On level 1 you lose around 77
On level 2 you lose around 132

When you go to level 3 you only try to win back the loses from level 2, plus a small profit.
When you accomplis this, you can go to level 2 and try to win back the losses from level 1, plus a small profit.
So, basically you are moving up and down the levels accumulating small profits along the way.

I love the concept.

Here are the rules to follow:

Start with level 1

10 10 10 10 10 10 10

Your first bet is 11 keeping on betting 11 until you show a profit or lose the eintire series. Example 2 wins 1 loss +9 add this profit to your bankroll and star a new series.
If you lose the entire first level to to level 2.

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Once you are on level 2 you continue betting until you show a profit that would recover the losses from level 1 plus a small profit.
Add this profit to your bankrolla and then start a new series on level 1.

How to build your bankroll using the program.

Even tought the profits are small and can be lengty between profits.
Here is a way to build your bankroll.
For every 100 in profit accumulated, increase the levels in this manner.

15 15 15 15 15 15 15

30 30 30 30 30 30

60 60 60 60 60

80 80 80 80

For each additonal 100 in profit accumulated, contiue to inrease you levels as follows.

20 20 20 20 20 20 20

40 40 40 40 40 40

80 80 80 80 80

100 100 100 100

One more example:

30 30 30 30 30 30 30

60 60 60 60 60 60

80 80 80 80 80

150 150 150 150

This way we mith build up some serious bets on daily basis.

This information about the progression comes from a sport betting book at page 27.
See attached pdf document.

 I explore progrssions that are smooth where you raise your bets with certain % where the expectations is imbalance ...
Test 1 1 1 1 2 2

Will look into what kind of progrssion that exist using this kind of methodology.
I get very nice result using this with the probaility 1 against 8 with my algorithm.

Note that i play every trail, so 200 trails is 200 placed bets.
This is as close i can get to flat betting today betting a game with negative expectation.

I will develop this futher - maybe it can become a baccarat method.

 I respect John and think his a great person - i ask him in the past and it was ok by him that i post this.

I love the idea behind this method where you aim to win big.
And now we have a discussion about GAP Methodology and another where a guy bets against series of four and doing very good.

I want to tweak this method and simulate it before i play it for real.

When i read what John and this other guy write i just want to say WOW they really win big.

http://betselection.cc/baccarat-forum/tell-me-why-my-system-is-flawed!-5-month-winning-streak!!!/msg35765/?PHPSESSID=vqch8p42fj6ctkrkrji7mkf033#new

Quote from: chiraqi92 on February 11, 2015, 04:18:21 PM
Just an update my bankroll is at 23k BUT If the seahawks wouldve just gave the damn ball to lynch I wouldve had an extra 6k . Really 12k cause my bet was 6k. I've had 7 losing nights but for the most part a lot of $200-600 winning nights. More wins then losses that's what matters to me.

Quote from: chiraqi92 on February 12, 2015, 05:43:02 PM
Appreciate the feed back. I just want to make it clear my gameplan is not the same as the orignial post I've made. I just make a 100-200 bet when I see 4 in a row. If I lose 800 I walk away. I feel like I can make a living off this because I know to walk away when im up 200 -400 up.  And every time I lost my 800 at one point I was up at least 200.don't be greedy and it will work.

Quote from: Rolex-Watch on February 12, 2015, 08:05:36 PM
Hello chiraqi92

I started playing Baccarat the exact same way back in 2004, I'm sure I mentioned it on the old GG site.  I decided to play this way after reviewing the 72 day Zumma book.  Betting the opposite after any streak of four with a decent progression looked solid enough. 

I started betting $25 chips, quickly progressed to blacks, won my first 13 sessions for a $15k profit inside two weeks.  Dropped a bit on the 14th visit then progressed from there, eventually making 19k profit between 19th Jan and 13th Feb. near enough playing every day.

Sometimes laying out multiple bets on various tables after four streaks like a hedge (a mate helped me out).  Does or did it work, yeah, a great way to play if your young nibble and gong-ho.   I dropped a packet a few times, but recouped well.  I stopped playing this way, as I preferred to sit down rather than jumping around like a demented monkey, also the progression I used was different than yours, I used the Fibonacci (1-2-3-5-8-13-21-34-55), which I wouldn't today.  As I say, this was 10 years ago, now I am a bit more wiser and far more cautious in my approach. 

I had some memorable sessions playing this way, one that I'll never forget is turning a $500 chip into $1600 in the space of 90 mins, before I had to scoot off to some computer training seminar.  I'm sitting there with my work mates buzzing to the max and close on $40000 in my pocket learning about security on Windows NT server, yeah right, that was an easy course, cos' I didn't pay much attention....

Good luck and continued success, do remember while you have stats on your side, the bet progression matters more so. One other thing, whenever I lost, I would take that loss amount and divide it by three, which would form my goal target for the next three sessions.  So if you drop $800, make $300 x 3 your session target, then back to what your doing.   

Don't tune or scoff out until you have digested the whole package, as one word may put you off, which is "Martingale", but hang on in here.

Lets throw in the sales pitch.

How to turn £75 into £5250 or $150 (for those across the ditch into over $10,000) for approx 28 hours of table action. Sound interesting?

YES, you do need a certain element of luck. Now we know you can't expect to be lucky all the time. You only need to be lucky for two hours. Yes TWO LOUSY HOURS from the on-set, you may not make it all the way, but it won't cost you anything either.

While people do not see eye to eye regarding bet selection, really it is a defensive mechanism, they need to convince themselves more than anybody else. In essence bet selection is a lottery. Each bet is a 50/50 bet, what happens after X is a lottery. No worries 'bout what you think, this can also suit your mindset.

Let's revisit a set of 4 column binary tables;

1---BBBB
2---PBBB
3---BPBB
4---PPBB
5---BBPB
6---PBPB
7---BPPB
8---PPPB
9---BBBP
10-PBBP
11-BPBP
12-PPBP
13-BBPP
14-PBPP
15-BPPP
16-PPPP

Note I have numbered all possible outcomes. Your aim using a 4 step martingale is to play 10 columns per day, less than ONE SHOE per day maximum and to avoid any 4 column loss.

For those that the progression Martingale leaves a bad taste, bear in mind, the total risk is the initial £75 or $150, if you can't afford to risk that amount, then read no further, or remind yourself of the 5 g's or 10k plus potential..

Your aim is to make 10 units per day (maybe 11 if you want to cater for the tax, or maybe you might choose to wear that small cost), not a dime more. Your aim is to repeat this for 7 days straight, remember, your exposure is minimum as you will not play more than 40 or 44 hands any one day. Any 4 column loss and you quit.

You need to avoid any 4 column loss for the first TWO DAYS ONLY, >> less than one shoe per day <<
Should you lose 4 hands on the bounce on the third day, you will still be in profit.

Should you manage to not lose for SEVEN days, on the second week, you double your unit size, should you lose when you double your unit size, you are still in profit. Again repeat the exercise for the next seven days.

NOTE* you can withstand two losses per week and still remain in profit, this excludes the first two days. Your odds of losing 4 bets in a row is less than 6%, which means your odds of winning a bet in any four bet sequence is just over 93%.

Should you manage to avoid any 4 column loss during the second week, again you double your unit value from £10 or $20, should you lose on day 15, you are still in profit. You just lost £300 but made £700 the previous week, how you determine the stake level for tomorrow is up to you, either drop down or press on, you can withstand 2 losing days per week.

If you have made it this far and only played 10 or 11 (due to tax) columns of 4 for the last 21 days and avoided defeat you double your betting amount for the final time.

NOTE* thus far this whole exercise has been SELF FUNDING.

Should you manage to avoid losing 4 in a row for the final week, you have just turned your initial stake of £75 into £5250 for approx 28 hours of table play, or $150 into over $10000, that's about 4 days work.

Week 1 - goal target £50 daily, weekly goal £350 - risk £75
Week 2 - goal target £100 daily, weekly goal £700 - risk £150
Week 3 - goal target £200 daily, weekly goal £1400 - risk £300
Week 4 - goal target £400 daily, weekly goal £2800 - risk £600

Maximum Total profit should you avoid 4L within 28 hours is £5250 less tax or for US based players over ten thousand dollars for a $150 stake. Other than the initial stake, IT IS SELF FUNDING.

Now take a deserved break and start again from the bottom. Does what you are currently playing carry a risk? Well so does this, so in this respect things are equal.

The risk is limited to £75 or $150, the rewards are greater than what you would ordinarily hope for given the amount of bankroll. If 100 players tried this, not all would be lucky, some would be. All that matters is surviving the first two days.

OK - the bet selection;

It really doesn't matter, either mathematically or logically.

If you believe in trending, then wait for one column of four and use the bet selection SAME. If you don't believe in trending maybe use the bet selection OPPOSITE. Random is probably the best.

If you don't care either way, maybe choose any one of the above 16 options and stick with it. Mathematically each sequence is suppose to occur once every 60 hands, be aware it doesn't always work out like this.

Maybe put the numbers I have associated with the 4 column options into a hat to determine your bet selection, it really doesn't matter. Perhaps omit the numbers 6 and 11 as these are the most common options for any 4 hand sequence. Don't lose sight of the total risk £75 or $150 and the potential reward.

Perhaps play each sequence in numerical order, that is bet option 1 followed by option 2 then option 3 etc. Logically it doesn't make any difference.

Should you lose for example on your fourth column, then that is it for that day, come back tomorrow and restart. You need SEVEN clear days of 10 units profit before doubling your playing stake.

The risk is carried for the first two days only, after that it is >> SELF FUNDING.

You could increase the risk and odds of not losing, by using a 5 column approach. You now have a 96% chance of scoring a win, however you would need to adjust you daily win target to 20 units, and would be playing that a particular 5 hand sequence from 32 possible sequences doesn't hit you for 20 columns..

$150 into over 10 "large" for 4 days effort!!!!!


Should this approach fail inside of the first two day, you would need to win 15 times just to get back to even. Then win another 10 times to progress from first base.

If you had a bankroll greater than £75 or $150 you might want to use the balance to construct recovery option for the first two days only.

Say you lost 15 units before you make 10 units. You then use the rest of your bankroll to recoup then continue where you left off. Few ways to do this, either use another martingale on top (lots of risk), or double your playing stake and use a Labby to win say 8 units, or possibly a Fibonacci, again to win either 15 units or 8 units if you doubled your initial stake size.

Nothing stopping somebody from playing two sessions per day, then you might achieve your goal in two weeks. Give yourself a decent break in between sessions. Yes I have explored this and I have found associating a numeric value to each of the possible outcomes of a Binary chart, as outlined above playing them simply in order 1,2,3,4 etc. faired best [random versus random]. You are either going to win or lose, the initial stake is not that great.

If you decided to play the options sequentially, option 1 is BBBB, you need to decide if you will bet the same as BBBB or the opposite of BBBB, which of course would be would be PPPP, It all works out the same, you're playing with of 15/1 odds no matter what.


Yes IT WILL lose eventually, will you be at the table when it does? Your nemesis has to catch you when you are playing, one of the reasons I state, play less than ONE SHOE per day.

Hence the reason make 10 units then bail. It can even lose when you are at the table, however it is the first 2 days which are crucial, after that, so long as you don't get back to back losing days you will be OK, again hence the reason to limit your exposure.

It really doesn't matter how you determine your bet selection. £5k or $10k for 28 hours graft, minimal risk "$150", cheaper than a few weeks worth of lottery tickets and better odds. 

Don't try and fast track this, by betting every hand, I would suggest that if anybody used other modes of play, that involves betting every hand, it wouldn't work. Losing 4 bets in a row when betting every hand is a whole lot easier than losing 4 bets for any given predetermined column sequence of bets.

The aim is to TRY and turn 75 quid or 150 bucks into £5 bricks or $10 large for 28 hours at the tables. As I stated above, it doesn't really matter if you lose the 3rd day, 2nd stage, 3rd or even the 4th stage, you are STILL IN PROFIT. You need to be lucky for the first two days only, otherwise it is SELF FUNDING. Lose 4 bets in a row and you are done for the day, better for your composure.

Survive for a month and restart. Want to decrease the odds of losing?, Increase the risk..


Disclaimer - Gambling can be a risky business, only gamble with what you can afford to lose.

Hello Nick and all ...

This is how i understand it ... Nick pick a rare event to happen ... like 9 black/gap ... that happen once during 500 trails ... then between there will be alot of 5 gaps (triggers)
So i also think a code that show the triggers between your gap would be great.

I play this now non stop and testing. you can run RX and see how common or uncommon series of 6789 10 11 are ...
The down side is that it takes time and effort to track down 9 gap in reality.

Then you should also add that if you play against a 9 Gap and you lose, then the last bet is it will become a 10 gap ... Nick was missing that part with his code.

Cheers

ND have John Patrick wrote about this - i think you once mention it ...

Cheers

You are right Nick and thanks for your effort.

Cheers

Sound super Nick :-)

Cheers

Yes.
But would we bet once and then start over or would we continue betting until a loss.
Two 9 gaps following by each other would be extreme, so i like the idea betting once and after that pick a new random sequense.

I need to test this one.

 Hello Nick - i been thinking about practical solutions as i don't like wait to long before i start to play.
A gap of 9 can look as anything as all patterns has same probability.
Any gap can be random pick.

Lets say i walk into the casino and walk to a roulette table and look at the board and write down the last 9 hitting colours.
Then the future results has to match that random sequense 9 times to be a complete match.
Now all i have to do is to wait until i get 5 matching results and start to play.



Cheers

 Hello Nick.

I have one more question.

1. Do you wait for a gap of 9 then wait for a gap of 5 then betting, now do you continue waiting for gaps of 5 and continue betting against a gap of 9 (or do you only play once against a gap of 9 and wait for a new gap of 9)?

Many Thanks

Cheers

Hello Nick.

Thanks again for a nice explination, now i fully understand how you did your way using 9 gap.
I think this method looks great.

Many thanks

Cheers

QuoteYes, Target Gap Size = 9 means you wait until you have 9 Blacks and 1 Red.

However, you do not start betting until you have reached another streak of 5 Blacks (Betting Gap Size = 5).  In other words, after having achieved the Gap 9 of 9 Blacks and 1 Red, you wait until you have another streak of 5 Blacks, which is the Betting Gap Size = 5.

Then after you have a second 5 Blacks you start betting on Red. (similar to virtual betting).  You would then bet on Red for 5 spins which is the "Maximum # of Spins = 5".  Therefore you have 5 Blacks already spun and if you lose all 5 of your bets on Red you would then have 10 Blacks.

In my observations,  you seldom have two streaks of 9 or more in 500 spins.

Cheers

Nick

Hello Nick.
Thanks for the nice explination and now i understand.

I want to test this, but i have one more question.

First i track to get a gap of 9 with one colour, then i wait for a trigger/gap with 5 and then start betting.
But i bet against that a gap of 9 will not appear again with this colour, then i only need to bet 4 times (but you say against 10 gap) this is confusing.
5+4 = 9

The only reason i can think of playing for 10 times is as follows.

Lets say i get a gap of 9 blacks.
Then i wait for 5 blacks to show and start betting red for 4 times.
Assume i lose does 4 times then i have a gap of 9 blacks, then i bet my last bet on black and hope it will become 10 blacks in a row (5 bets) and preventing a 9 black gap to appear twice.

Can you put some light on this.

Many Thanks

Cheers

 I tried a more conservative approach:

QuoteOnly 408 Units Profit in 100,000 spins, only about  500 placed bets.

I used the following settings in the EC Gap Sheet

Target Gap Size  = 9

Betting Gap Size  = 5

Maximum # of Spins to Bet = 5

Hello Nick.

Is this how you test the method above:
Wait for exampel 9 black and 1 red - then bet red for 5 times - so the black does not create same gap again.
But if that is true that you prevent the same gap to happen again - then we would have to bet 9 times.

Can you explain this further.

Many Thanks

Cheers

Quote from: Nickmsi on February 09, 2015, 09:03:40 PM
I tried a more conservative approach:

Only 408 Units Profit in 100,000 spins, only about  500 placed bets.

I used the following settings in the EC Gap Sheet

Target Gap Size  = 9

Betting Gap Size  = 5

Maximum # of Spins to Bet = 5

Profit Target = 1

Stop Loss (-) =-10000

Nick

Hello Nick and all.
I am not sure i am following this correct - understand it.

Are you saying that if i see black missing 9 times i play 5 times that black will show.
That means that red show 9 times and i play for black 5 times.

Is that correct?

Cheers