Many don't know that you need to win two in a row to get +1 unit flat betting as each sequence end with a loss.
That is one reason Regression is superior ... you win once and you can not lose it all back ...

 
You can find one way among others at roulette cc ...
Bayes made a software based upon this methodology ...
The first one who spook about it and wrote about the original by Marigny is me ...

 
Again i test a new approach with flat betting and regression.
Are plus after 50 hit and run sessions.

WON 53.5 UNITS
LOSS 19 UNITS

[reveal= Results Here>]
+2.5
+1
+1
-11
+2.5
+3.0
+1
+1
+2.5
+0

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-1
+1
+1
+2.5
+1
-1
-1
-1
+2.5
+0
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+2.5
+1
+1
-3
+2.5
+1
+1
+1
+0
+0

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+0
+1
+1
+0
+1
+1
+0
-1
+2.5
+1
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+0
+0
+4
+1
+1
+3
+1
+1
+2.5
+1
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This is what i hate about it.
First it should not be possible and it has to be positive fluctuation in my favor.
So for how long and how many sessions can you flat betting, before negative expectation show its ugly face.

 
Nice Drazen ...

Quote from: malcop on October 19, 2013, 02:50:43 AM
This could be played many ways.


But the main thing is you do not start the progression until looking back three bets you have a losing group.


So if a session started like this: WLWWWLW I would be just flat betting, but we get WLWWWLWL now if you look back to the last three we now have LWL a group loss, now the progression begins.

There are lots of ways of using group wins/losses here is one of my favorites

This win/loss string WW WLW LL LWL

Would be broken down like this.

WW = Group Win
WLW = Group Win
LL = Group Loss
LWL = Group Loss

Now instead of waiting three bets you look back two or three bets to decide on what to do next.

Thanks

malcop

Nice details malcop ...

[Edit:  Mike -- Go and read through XXVV's section and then you'll better understand why Sputnik was pulled up for his sweeping statement about flat betting (and the comment was nothing to do with grails, by the way).   Furthermore, the forum is NOT owned by SH.  As a newcomer you seem very eager to post criticisms (and assumptions) rather than carefully feel your way, which is what most newcomers do.  Moderator]

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Dear Moderater ... don't make assumptions and lie about my stand point of view in public, keep does opinions for your self.
I was not making a sweeping statement about flat betting, no one has prove they can flat betting with method and results, if they did i can show why it does not work.
So do not speak about criticisms and assumptions when there is a lie claiming flat betting a negative expectation into positive expectation.

Mike don't waste you time reading XXVV's section ...
What is respect about, well i can not respect some one who claim they can flat betting.
Because they can not show how it is done, they just end up to claim they can out guess negative expectation, so boring, so why waste your time read what they reply when you know is nonsense ...

Mike, there is so many wannabes and pros in one place, so you never know who lies.
Based upon my many year of experience so have i spot many lier's at this forum as with others.
My opinion.

My challenge with this topic still stands ,,, if some one dear to argue against it ...
Let me remind you ... you can not win +1 or +0 to overcome the attempts doing so ... at least not as many times as i can ...
Simple math when it boils down to flat betting ...

Cheers

Nice topic ...

True i also like this very much and start to test it with different even money bets.

Cheers

I just for fun tested the Fool Proof Progression and find it amazing how much you can win, really big wins.
On a win you increase one unit and on a loss you increase one unit, simple as that.

I just took my average even money bet to see how it perform:

W 1 +1
W 2 +3
W 3 +6
L 4 +2
L 5 -3
W 6 +3
W 7 +10
W 8 +18
W 9 +27
L 10 +17
W 11 +28
W 12 +40
W 13 +53
W 14 +67

I think Brett Mortons - Money Management Strategy - would do just fine with this Fool Proof Progression.
I will create a LW-Registry chart with loses and winnings to see when you are in the positive area and the negative area, also to pin point out where the crucial draw-downs occur.

Get back soon ...

Cheers

 
They don't need to cheat to win, so get that out of your head.
But if you win to much, then they will take action.

Think again ... poker is great where the sites take commission ... so you can not get a ban or being limited ... they have nothing to gain ...
So if you learn poker you can play cash games with out worry.

Sport-betting has sites as Betfair among others, they take commission, so you can not get a ban or being limited, they have nothing to gain ...
Read, practice and play.

You have to think twice about making money from home with your computer, you have to pick games that offer you no limits.
Like poker and sport-betting.

I have read so many times about gamblers who won money on regular basis and end up with a ban.
Then they cry like a baby.

You can not make a living playing online casinos.
But you can make a living playing poker cash games and sport-betting.

Quote from: HansHuckebein on October 13, 2013, 04:02:11 PM
I'm afraid no because it needs a progression.

cheers

hans

The point is, there is no member of this forum who can flat betting.
If some one say they can, then they lie.


[mod] Steady on... That last sentence is unacceptable. You don't KNOW that for certain. To say otherwise is pure arrogance. Just because you might not be able to do something does not mean that others can't !! [/mod]

Quote from: 6th-sense on October 12, 2013, 06:24:51 PM
voodoo...anyone really take a look at the table?.....remember there was a few references to it and thinking outside the box...every cross section of dozen and column has at least 2 of the same group numbers except dozen 2....and cross section doz3 col 1.....16 numbers...also all lines are the same except lines 4...and 10....could doz 2 be the main trigger ..and the 4 bets placed on double street 1...single street 3...split 26/27...and 1 unit on quad...32.33.35.36......just a thought all triggered by doz 2

Sorry to say it again, but i think that is nonsense ... my opinion ...

 I don't believe in this.
That it should be better selection then just using red and black.

It is easy to prove your point if you argue against my assumptions.
Pick any advance selection using multi locations.
Aim just to win +1 unit or break even +0.

that's it.

Then we can compare results.
If you argue you can flat betting, then +1 and +0 should overcome -1 -2 -3 and so on ...
You can pick any loss limit you like.

I do the same using red and black as they come with out any fancy or advance selection method.
And i claim i will get same results or even better results, then you can achieve using multi selection.

There is no underlying advantage with the layout, is just voo-do stuff ...