Quote from: spike on March 11, 2013, 07:59:03 PM
Flat betting isn't like a religion, either you believe or
you don't. If you have the edge, of course it works,
it has to work. If you don't have the edge it will never
work. It can't.

Its really that simple, why over complicate everything.

You can not have the edge as there is no conditional probability, but you can have 66% chance things going your way, but that is just a random walk ...

 
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Thanks Gizmo ...

 
Well we all have our opinions ...
The math and probability say you can not get plus 1 to overcome the attempts doing so.

If any one can do it, then i am happy for them, but i think it is fiction and not realistic.

Quote from: Bally6354 on March 11, 2013, 05:00:43 PM
Calling people liars is a harsh word Sputnik (deluded maybe  )

I agree with Spike here. The casinos are the ones who pay you out for proving it and that's all that matters.

no offence intended! 

p.s. I voted yes by the way.

I don't know why you are referring to Spike, he does not know how to flat betting, he claims that he can, that is the difference ...
Any one can make a claim, but not many can show how-to, that is the difference ...

 
<<< Well D1 i say maybe and can show you maybe ...

It looks like this ...

+1
+1
+1
+1
+0
+0
-1
+0
+1
+1
+0
+1
+1
+1
+0
-1
+0
+0
+1
+1
+1
+1
+0
+1
-1
+1
+0
+1

Plus 13 units flat betting during 28 sessions ...

D1 there i many liers on this board, as no one have show that you can flat betting, they just talk about it, dream about it ...

Do you believe you can flat bet and win consistently ?

Cheers

Do you have the link to the topic you made with your tracker ...

Cheers

Maybe if you had continue after break even, that more session would end up at plus 1 ...
Well i will continue with this topic and test similiar ideas ...

 
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Well i know pretty much about even money bet and are for sure above average.
I have to say it is amazing if you can aim for plus 5 units with only 5 units and winning consistently ...

As you alredy know we should not be able to get plus 1 unit consistently flat betting and that it would overcome that attempt doing so ...
You can test this very easy, just set a limit to how many attempts you will risk to achive plus 1 unit, then look at the result after some testing.

I did this and add the option to break even.
Rules are simple, if you don't get a direct win you have one loss and are in negative territorium, the begining of the big hole, then you better of win one less, break even.
Now i even was thinking you could go minus 1 as does would cacel each other out with plus 1 and you would have to win two less when you are in the hole.
Test 40 sessions and won 17 and lose 10.

1
1
1
1
0
1
0
0
0
0
1
1
1
1
1
0,5
0
0
0
0
1
1
0
0
0
0
1
0
1
0
0
1
0
0
0
1
0
1
-10
0

The only way i find to overcome this issue is to aim for dominance, then you will hit some strike distribution and with regression you can overcome the negative expectation to a certain degree ...

 
Where can you read about ´LvF 9

 
Sting like a bee and run like a rabbit 

Quote from: Bally6354 on March 08, 2013, 03:37:58 PM

The thing is to get away from the 'system' mentality and think more in terms of 'strategy'.

A strategy can incorporate many different systems and concepts. This is where I think the sum can be greater than the parts.

Experience has shown me that there is a good run happening somewhere with enough consistency to make a profit. Experience has also shown me that you will lose your a** if you can't adapt quickly enough with the flow. This kind of player intelligence has to be learned at the tables in my opinion. You learn quicker from real losses.

What I see a lot in the casino is the player rushing up to the table and start playing his favourite numbers straight away with no thoughts of watching for a few spins to get an idea of what's going on. I learned my lesson about this several years ago.

A friend had shared a bit of software with me which he said was great on Baccarat. It involved using a negative 1-2-3 step progression. It worked great for a week and I thought it was going to make me a lot of money.

Disaster struck in the form of the 'terrible two's'.

BB
PP
BB
PP
BB
PP
BB etc....

This thing seemed like it could handle everything that was thrown at it until it ran into the terrible two's. I did not even notice it until I started looking at why my bankroll went up in smoke. I thought how could a 4k system be so flawed in one respect. But this is what happens with systems. A clever strategy could have worked around this and limited the damage to a degree. The terrible two's ran throughout the whole shoe. It may have won somebody else a fortune.

cheers

I like when you use the word strategy.
I have the same opinion that some one should note what is current happining, what is current present, then decide what and how to play and always take in caculation what a small change might be and adapt or follow the wheels current states.

 
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Sting like a bee and run like a rabbit !!!

Quote from: ll l lll ll l lll on March 10, 2013, 02:02:40 AM
I just played 9 sessions flat betting and my results are as follows:

Session 1:  5, 49 bets, won 27, lost 22
Session 2:  5, 53 bets, won 29, lost 24
Session 3:  5 23 bets, won 14, lost 9
Session 4:  5 23 bets, won 14, lost 9
Session 5:  5 29 bets, won 17, lost 12
Session 6:  0 40 bets, won 20, lost 20
Session 7:  5 11 bets, won 8, lost 3
Session 8:  0 32 bets, won 16, lost 16
Session 9:  5 6 bets, won 6, lost 1

This is nothing but red/black, odd/even, high/low.  Only one bet per spin.  It's not a system, it is experience.  It is 'reading random' as Gizmo and Spike talk about.  I don't play trends and I don't bet every spin.  I look at the past 20 spins and make a decision based what is happening.  I do have a few rules I use to keep from going out of control. 
The most consecutive losses I endure is 2, 3 the most.  I can do this without writing anything down, just simply observing the history board, and reaching in. Many times the stream will be chaos, and I can avoid it, wait it out, or walk to the next table.  Its all about practice and really understanding what a typical random sequence looks like.  A typical random sequence has many very 'short runs' and just a few longer ones.  This is where I play.  I play inside a typical pure random stream.  Anything other than this such as tons of streaks, or tons of singles I avoid like the plague, it just doesn't work consistently for what I do.

Nice results and now some questions !!!
What is you daily bankroll or for each session ?
I understand that your win goal is  5 ...
What % is that in relation to what you are prepeared to risk ?

 
My opinion is that Regression is much better then Flat betting ...