Matt it is great you are looking into this and I think were was some fascinating work done 5-7 years ago by several writers on the forums. But ask yourself the question, what is the advantage of doing this. Why should this bet work? In other words what is the reason, the circumstances that would make this bet work, under what conditions?

The great English professional casino player Louis G Holloway used his skills to research, test and successfully win regularly using this approach in roulette. Suggest you research his writings, his guides, his hints and others who followed. He was able using pen and pencil through sheer perseverance the sliding relative data and the zone of wait and the zone of action after triggers because he knew all the graphs. It is covered a little in my early Blog notes, but I never played this way and always found it too slippery - I was just looking in the wrong place because there are answers to be found. I sense that the real most effective answers lie in extensions with all outside table bets but in situations or conditions where there is imbalance to be taken care of, and of course everyone will tell you to be wary of Gambler's Fallacy. I like dancing on the edge of this. Ignore the negatives you will encounter. Be aware of your bet characteristics and performance parameters and simply work within those to gain appropriate reward for risk expended, ie maybe modest gains per session from say +5 or to +9 units. If you do not do this the ecart corrective  tide will sweep you away.

Refer to LGH book published through the eccentric but brilliant baccarat player Lyle Stuart ( he won several tournaments) 1969 in New York. As always, to be really successful at anything you need to put in the effort. 10,000 hours is the usual professional threshold of dedication.

Merry Christmas to all.

Thank you for your contributions and responses over 2015. Thank you to Vic for hosting this.

Really looking forward to renewal and fresh research, progress in the year ahead, on all fronts.

Best

XXVV

This will be the last note I will write on this absolutely boring thread you have established. No one is interested. There are hardly any readers. The 600 or so visits are probably me, and a handful of others accessing your latest insight and attempts to question and quite blatantly, as with Green Gay, attempt to discredit me.

There is so much you do not know.

Why don't you write or contribute something that is actually useful and current to this forum membership. What can you offer that is constructive and can be applied to help someone else make money.

I have formally complained to Vic who of course is absolutely fair. I have done nothing in breach of forum rules or etiquette much as I would like to tell you exactly what I think but that would do no good for anybody.

If you noted my writings in the past years you would understand I have repeatedly  cautioned against any progression in roulette betting and my own professional private bet is flat staking. You know so very little yet post this rubbish.

I do not encourage others to be irresponsible and in fact constantly cite examples of my good play but also my mistakes with very clear examples for study. Several times I have told the story of how my greatest mentor in roulette lost a fortune in progression play in LV and London. Fortunately he was an extremely wealthy businessman and could manage the loss but it crushed him.

I also write frequently on roulette case studies and if I am such a poor writer ( as you claim) and of no interest to others why does my current roulette thread have over 6600 visits.

Despite my attempts to be amicable and conciliatory with good humour you now re-commence your evidently grudge campaign attempting to find fault. Of course looking for such you will attract such.

All my future notes on this matter, if mentioned at all, will be on my Blog.

Interesting.

KLW you have spent a lot of time in trying to dig up something that is wrong or unethical.

Your motivation.  If it is to protect the quality and integrity of this Forum then good work, and I respect that principle.

I am well aware of the earlier publicity regarding wealth vault and the early problems they had. That was part of my due diligence conducted several years ago before I decided to join with them on a toe in the water approach. You may be amused but I suspect not that with some irony in my own fraud research with regard to CEH and the 'Swiss Scammers' and their blatant use of the Brighton branch of HSBC, I had come across 'Wealth Vault' as one of the websites that indirectly the scammers had contact with, as well as a couple of other links such as web host and some financial blogs that were US and Canadian based. In fact I joined a Canadian property group that was formed by a retired policeman in Canada as they had a much more likely link to CEH et al.

Recall the Swiss scam must have taken in several million USD and I understand German roulette enthusiasts were particularly hard hit after I researched the traffic and origins on the original website used for the scam ( while it was still in operation).

My research indicated at that time ( over 3 years ago) that the scammers distributed their funds in various financial outlets and thus had used the Wealth Vault as a source of information at one time in order to find outlets for investment, just as all other customers do.

HSBC is well known to have acted as a no questions asked bank for use by drug cartels as reported by Max Keiser on RT.com and it astonishes me how brazen were these acts and of course they were fined accordingly.

The two founders of Wealth Vault over the years have vastly improved their website and quality of information content.

Quite openly and directly Brad W. has commented on past bad publicity and in my opinion he and his team have moved on and very professionally have upgraded their information source to M4 and in the past 6 months have updated and improved their website.

I am grateful to their open and refreshingly down to earth communications and through them I have found extremely valuable information to assist my own investment work. That is my opinion and because of the good will I have become a Life Member of their group M4 which entitles me access to all their information, experience, links and discounts.

Unless you have access to the full website you are in no position to comment as to the merit or otherwise of what is presented.

My own time is very valuable and at this stage of the year I am extremely busy so do not have time to deal with this issue you have raised but suffice to say I will advise Vic of my concern for your action and direction which in my view is misguided and unfortunately personal.

I will advise Brad of your post in as much as you have named him and see what unfolds.

When people do good work as Brad and his team do, it is most unfair that they are criticised and reference is made to silly past internet publicity where there will always be entities that have no good to say. Fair enough if facts are accurate but I believe the material that criticised WV was inaccurate.

Certainly in the present I have heard no critical comment about M4 and I personally rate their service and level of communication very highly. I have no commercial vested interest or affiliate relationship with M4.

Regarding my own work, well  as earlier stated the steps I have taken this year, the connections made, and the plans ahead are the most exciting yet in an already wonderful life.

Perhaps you would like to comment on that.

Quote from: klw on September 23, 2015, 08:48:29 PM
Hello.

You wrote :-

"  Why is there a problem in editing or improving a post? "

Really ! Maybe because a change of a word , sentence
, deletion of a part of the post or whole post maybe renders the reply inappropriate or out of context to the original posting or as in your case changes the meaning totally from the original.

I prefer 10 words to 100 words and so do others going by the amount of times the word " waffle " has been expressed but each to his own.

Why on earth would I want to comment/review on the markets. These are done by the theory boys and girls,they usually can't trade so fall back onto teaching and market commentary, if they were any good they would be trading and these are the people you subscribe to.I am not a fundamental trader, I care not about market news other than the time it is released.

Same with the Dong,I have no opinion on it, I don't follow it and don't or never have traded it,it is an illiquid market , one for the locals and crazy ride junkies. The spread is ridiculous and it represents a fraction of 1 percent of the forex market,why trade it when there are much better pairs to trade.

You are right when you say that pattern recognition plays a part , but it is not " all about pattern recognition " , did you know that only 1 third of head and shoulder patterns come to a successful conclusion,it is more than just patterns.

As regards giving " help " I was too quick off the mark with that,I am busy planning a long haul holiday and that takes priority at the moment , it will have to wait.

Just briefly gone through the marketing hype for M4 insider,please don't tell me that this is your secret investment link you wanted to sell ? Nine months the example fund has been going , no wonder you didn't want me to know about it and you paid $67 for that stuff ?

Delightful to get at least a partially sensible response to my earlier generous invitation.

We are making progress.

I hope you enjoy your long haul holiday. Airline stocks are rising and Air NZ is one of the very best, well deserved. Qantas next I think. Some prefer Asian or Arabic airlines but not me. I used to fly first class on Air Nuigini - now that was cool.

Back to your note yes and the partly pattern recognition is of course where you are quite correct. Nothing is black and white is it?

You are quick to deride M4 based on a superficial observation but I am sure you would recognize if you were a full member that it is a virtual wealth vault and sure there are some trinkets for all sorts, and also some pearls, but of the many hundred variations they offer there is but one that has special value. That is where I was trying to assist others to see.

M4 has a format which is multi -partitioned but also somewhat hierarchical so that for new members material is accessible after, 30. 60, 90 days and so on in order to prevent a novice from racing ahead too fast ( and possibly getting into trouble) because there is such an array of information and linkages within. They are a friendly and very down to earth organisation, US based. I have known the team for several years and have found their communication excellent. There is such a wide range of interest and material on board ( all vetted by the team) that the selections and choices may take some time to work through.

The membership is world wide and quite substantial with access cost very small. Your sneering response to their introductory website is just silly and instead for very small outlay a reader can find examples of all levels of investment activity but of course I acknowledge it is material not for everyone.  My personal view is that time spent picking through their offerings for a month trial for example would be worthwhile. No more need be said.

Again, let me state there was no charge for access to M4 and other material - the real answer was dependent on who replied. My intention was to put most off, and all those that wrote gave a little information to me and I provided all details to them free. There we go. Simple. Let me put it another way. No one who wrote to me was refused access to the information I provided, ie no one was asked for money! One day it is my hope you may finally get this although it really doesn't bother me, or anyone else actually except you , GG and MM, and as I say it is an impasse so why continue to mention it.

Now, regarding currencies as noted, I do not trade but hold these, and accumulate.

Sincerely, have a great holiday.

XXVV

Quote from: klw on September 22, 2015, 06:19:21 PM
Hello.

Well I was going to leave it but you don't seem to want to do this yourself. I take it I am one of the " bunnies " that you refer to in your last post ? I notice your post ( #10 ) has been edited , considering you have made 1104 posts you don't seem to be very good at it,most of your posts get edited , a tip , type to notepad then copy and paste it after scrutinising it , unless of course you have rage blindness then nothing will help. I get mine right first time every time doing it this way with a cool clear head, none of my posts have been edited,this can be confirmed.

I don't have time unfortunately for any more however your willingness to " help " others has given me idea. So will do when I have more time.

Exciting times lay ahead.

My reply was directed to MM not you as that writer was still going on about 'edits'. I would be delighted to move on as clearly there is an impasse.  However your comments here as always are most insightful as to your personality. Why is there a problem in editing or improving a post? I like change, speed and spontaneity, and because of practice I write rapidly to help the flow of creative thought. We all have different styles and mannerisms, and that is delight of artistic expression. There is no one way to do things. I take the view that if one can express an idea in 100 words that is much better than 10.

However being really constructive here, and as you wish to 'help', as you have considerable market experience, why do you not contribute a post/ update/ review / comment on weekly action in the markets from your perspective. Then you can do something proactive and constructive instead of what most people do here which is reactive.

It is all about pattern recognition - markets or roulette, and the bewildered participants in the US Markets are starting to become very scratchy/ itchy as it becomes clearer a bear market approaches. Do they buy in this morning after another loss day? Curious that a tipping point trigger comes out of left field and of all things is VW, with implications that all auto manufacturers are cheats and the extraordinary confessional by the CEO of VW was astonishing, with criminal charges to follow.

Perhaps you might like to comment or note currency directions or ideas, suggestions and strategies or goals.

Let me throw one in here to get the ball rolling. The Vietnamese Dong.

Quote from: Missmusibat on September 20, 2015, 07:17:19 PM
Victor - I don't know how long this self moderation is going to continue.  But at least is there. Time stamp that can be added to the posts to say last modified.  I had seen that in a number of posts where xxvv has edited.  If it is to change views it is alright. But if it is to claim 1000$ first and then edit the post and say I have never asked for money that is a very wrong community behaviour. In fact I have seen such a note in the past.

Once again MM you have got it completely wrong.  You are looking for trouble and the tunnel vision $1000 is the headlight that is blinding you bunnies.  I change and edit all my posts frequently which seems to disconcert some people but sometimes I try to improve clarity of meaning, or grammar, or yes even sometimes I change my mind. Yes I even delete my own posts at times. In fact I will be deleting a whole bundle really soon!

From the very outset I used the mention of $20,000 plus as required funds and $1000 as access for the material links that are valuable. Weirdly you have not referred to the larger sum or perhaps you actually understand that bit. Unfortunately you just cannot seem to get it that an 'introduction' fee is a way of screening out and filtering time wasting tyre -kickers. We have reached an impasse here.

I have told you the facts and you do not believe me.

There is no point in you persisting with your fixed and negatively biased view.

It is already dust and under the rug and we are moving on.

Do you know how many words I have utilised in my writing on this forum. You do know I have posted 1100 threads and on average since joining one post on average per day in the three years on this particular forum.

How many posts have you made (24) and how have you contributed to the sum of knowledge on this Forum? I am not trying to embarrass you or make you feel awkward but what I am saying is that if you wrote more, took more risks, upset a few more people, ( because you cannot please everyone all the time), then you would find the need to edit, to filter, to correct and to self moderate is essential. Please reflect upon this principle.

There are good reports from two areas of interest to me - roulette where I will be reporting on a the fantastic results of analysis of 36 million spins by a trusted colleague - and the market reaction in bio-techs after the action of a CEO who comes across as a graduate hedge fund manager with little awareness that actions ( in this case words)  have consequences. Please refer to the appropriate threads.

It is absolutely worthless attempting to communicate with you KLW. Your closing remark ' at least my challenges to XXVV may have saved some members here $1000...'. What utter self deluded rubbish. You have done nothing constructive, and have  illustrated your stubborn ignorance in an area of  investment about which you have not the access or resources evidently. Again I re-iterate 'no charge was/ has been made for information I provided' although it may well have saved someone years of searching  and research in due diligence and indeed have considerable value to a qualified applicant. I know had I myself been offered such a link say 5 years ago I would have been delighted. Recall I write because I was defrauded by CEH. And my goal ever since has been to try to right those wrongs, and demonstrate what is possible with true and genuine knowledge.

Further KLW you manifest the same old circular defensive argumentative flaw of doing exactly yourself for what you claim of the other party.

No more wasted energy on you or this nonsense/ side show you have promoted - it is already dust under the rug.

I have taken further advice on my position ( and been refreshed) and will continue in my current mode as the market context over the coming months will be fascinating and a source for much discussion. My 'disgraceful' behaviour definition by you is worth framing - thanks for that. You certainly have been wound up tighter than a classic alarm clock. Look forward to your thunderous response and if and when they are deleted by me ( for legitimate cause) you can re-post elsewhere and see if you can widen your scope for complaint until you get bored. Meanwhile I will be moving on and covering fresh territory. Cheers.

Quote from: greenguy on September 20, 2015, 11:46:05 PM
I'd like to know why XXVV places so much importance to and reacts so strongly when his nickname's reputation is challenged?

It's not like his career life and private business dealings are affected in any possible way, it's just his silly nickname within an obscure and anonymous forum that is ever questioned.

I've actually given this some thought and no matter how I evaluate it, I believe the final answer is an over-inflated sense of self, known as Narcissistic Personality Disorder.

Historically, there are a lot traits to support this diagnosis within the writings and behaviour of XXVV.


It's either that, or it's to vigorously defend and protect an investment of some sort within the forum.

Both?...who knows.

Actually, these are rhetorical questions... I'm just putting it out there.

I shouldn't need to, but given my diagnosis I will add a disclaimer.

Disclaimer:
We all have silly nicknames.

Oy Vey
Give me a break!

What am I doing writing in this forum on serious investment or professional level play?

The three posters GG, KLW and MM have certainly ruined my enjoyment here after a year of really fun work and research.

Consider all my threads locked for some time ahead. I am taking a break and concentrating on matters that really assist others.

Quote from: klw on September 20, 2015, 10:58:27 PM
" Again I will note here the arguments 'ad hominem'. Why this personal attack?
This matter must be resolved and I will seek Moderation and Administration advice. "


Again, this is not a personal attack just defensive postings against your defamatory remarks and ensuring the true version remains in print,because as usual you modified posts to suit your own end and deleted mine.This is why I started this thread out of your moderation reach. I too will be contacting Victor regarding your defamatory remarks and your attempts to belittle me.

KLW  this is absolutely ludicrous. I frequently modify and edit all my material in order to improve communication or clarity of an idea. Yes at times I change my mind or improve my approach, in particular with roulette.

In this issue we are discussing a level of professional investment which it has taken me many years to find and then access as a member which has cost me a considerable sum of course.

I simply have wanted to provide access to this serious level of work but ensure no time wasters were encouraged. This is work at a level very different from the mainstream because of the  private managed accounts involved and the necessity to not advertise or promote for ethical and legal reasons.

I have never 'back tracked' other than to suggest that quite openly M4 would be a good starting point. Membership for them can be on a simple monthly retainer and their work is quite public. However I have other connections which are far more elite level - the best way to put it although of course I am not an elitist, but discretion and privacy in the financial and banking world is necessary. My personal work is to advocate and encourage much more personal financial freedom which is why Ronnie Moas is a Facebook friend. As one of the top financial analysts in the US his views are iconoclastic.

The top level investment work is light years away from a casino scale speculation, but I felt there might be a few within the 1200 membership here who might be interested, so I wrote about this subject on the forum here.

I found three enquiries in particular, and in every example when the enquiry explained themselves I recognised they were serious investors and in a couple of cases were earlier known to me anyway. At no time did I request or require money from these parties. Do you understand this? How clearer can I state this?  In my general public invite I suggested an amount which deliberately would deter the frivolous or time waster. Can you appreciate this principle of filtering and screening?

At no time have I made a defamatory remark regarding yourself. However I wondered at your incomprehension of the generic term which is used in the NY managed trading account terminology which is 'multi directional trading'. Again I explain by showing you that most advocates for US equity investment preach a 'buy and hold'  mantra which is fine for bull markets but in a 6 year sliding bear market is disastrous. We are NOT talking forex trading here. Multi directional traders can handle and benefit in rising, falling and choppy markets. It does not mean they always have winning trades but they have more winners than losers and the net difference enables consistent MONTHLY ( not daily) gains.

I have patiently explained  my intentions, my motivation and my actions.

I hope this brings clarification.  This  discussion must be brought to an end now.

Quote from: klw on September 20, 2015, 11:24:10 AM
I have to continue this thread here as XXVV has made many accusations against me and despite his offer of a right to reply thread in " What motivates XXVV " he again deletes my posts and locks the thread so that all the readers only see his version of events. Totally undemocratic and dictorial. What is it you have to hide XXVV ?

I will reproduce below the exact post he deleted on his " What motivates XXVV " thread below:-



" Hello.

I would be more than happy to move on once a few things are cleared up.


I am not negative towards your efforts on producing a market report just your effort to solicit funds in the manner that you did.

Re. multi directional trading , here is my original reply before you conveniently deleted it :-

" What on earth is this !!! There is no such thing. You either go long a currency or short it,traders have done that for years. What other direction is there to trade !!! "


So stop trying to belittle me for exposing your amateur attempt at glorified marketing. So again you are twisting things and trying to mislead the readers as to my trading knowledge. Your last ( re-edited ) attempt at trying to explain multi directional trading was laughable, plus you talk about me not making defamatory statements yet this is exactly what you have done when you wrote above :-

"  you had no comprehension of the term 'multi directional trading "

You expose yourself XXVV more and more for the person that you are with each and every post you make.

I am not being defensive at all just clearing up a few things. I do not wish to change my descriptions of your writings as " twisting things " and " misleading readers " as you have proved that yet again in your last post to me.

So, now that I have corrected what I needed to , I am now prepared to move on as you seem to be very keen to do this.

So unless you have more to say on the matter it's goodbye. "



This is the EXACT post , not an edited or re-edited version that XXVV seems to constantly do. I have proved several times that you do indeed twist things and mislead readers,your closing post on the afore mentioned thread another such example :-

" who do not listen or comprehend material that is out of their sphere of experience "
"  although a self described market trader you had no comprehension of the term 'multi directional trading' " ( from your first reply in the thread )

I had already provided indicative information as to my considerable trading experience, these are DEFAMATORY statements.



" KLW just does not get it. I made no charge for the direct links and introduction to/from my private investment colleagues. " 

The whole point is YOU TRIED TO CHARGE $1000 originally and only bactracked several times to free after being challenged repeatedly by myself. Of course you again conveniently deleted these posts as well as repeatedly editing yours to improve your version !!!


" Instead I have received  a stream of abuse and defamatory comments from GG and KLW which astonishes me."

Please show me one abusive remark or defamatory comment I have made about you ? Every comment I have made I can back up with evidence that it is true. I have evidence of your editing and re-editing and re re-editing of your posts, I have copies of my deleted posts especially where I provide indicative information as to my trading experience and still you belittle my trading knowledge with defamatory statements.

You can take any  " firm action " you want, I have done nothing wrong except maybe expose your , let's say your character flaws to be polite and save some readers here $1000.

There are plenty of successful investment vehicles available on the web and they don't want a $1000 introductory fee. Just Google "  list of top 10 fund managers " or similar , there is plenty of information available quite quickly , none of this cloak and dagger introduction needed ( yes you deleted that post as well,the one where I asked for past performance details etc. )

So stop making defamatory remarks about me , it is clear from my postings at Trade2win that I have considerable trading experience.

That others may think negatively of you is down to you and the way you have conducted yourself on public forums. We are all not stupid.

Again I will note here the arguments 'ad hominem'. Why this personal attack?
This matter must be resolved and I will seek Moderation and Administration advice.

Oh for heaven's sake what is wrong with you people? Can you not read? How many times do I have to state....

Once forum members contacted me and they explained and demonstrated their genuine interest, no fee was required!

How many times do I have to state this. No payment was made. This was a 'filter' to prevent time wasters.

Your comments which disregard my repeated and detailed explanations of a complex subject are just coming across as  trouble making and petty. My intention in all of my work is to assist others genuinely and on lots of levels. Do you not get this?

Thanks Helena.

That was sweet. Trust your 'feelings'.
R.

My most sincere respects and gratitude to Ivica for all his contributions. He deeply loved and understood Roulette.
Bless,
Richard.