But you cannot talk about 21 or his close and life long friend over in the gloomy UK, in fact they are blood brothers in every aspect of it.  But George, if you joke about them you will have your name inscribed on granite and waiting for you at the park, be careful bro.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAtHOicHdew

The Ultimate Baccarat Song & Music Group has to go to the amazing United Kingdom's Pink Floyd and their song MONEY!

Of course the band has been titled with Disillusionment, absence, and non-being, of course they are from the UK!  But seriously, just like the game of Bac, "I caught a fleeting glimpse, out of the corner of my eye. I turned to look, but it was gone, I cannot put my finger on it now, the child is grown, the dream is gone".  And just like the game of Bac, Pink admits,  Their sonic universe is expansive, intense, and challenging ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjgwjh4H7wg&list=RDKjgwjh4H7wg

Here is an Email I received this morning.

"The perfect movie for everyone to watch is "WHAT ABOUT BOB?".  The movie portrays you Alrelax being played by Bill Murry as the movie character "Bob Wiley".  While 21 Aces is played by Richard Dreyfuss as the character Dr. Leo Marvin" the movie is you two without a doubt.  Stay well, XXXXXXX   XXXXXXXX."

Here is the take from each of the stars:

It's entertaining----everybody knows somebody like that Bob guy. (Richard Dreyfuss and I) didn't get along on the movie particularly, but it worked for the movie. I mean, I drove him nuts, and he encouraged me to drive him nuts.

----Bill Murray, March 19, 1993 interview with Entertainment Weekly


How about it----Funny movie. Terribly unpleasant experience. We didn't get along, me and Bill Murray. But I've got to give it to him: I don't like him, but he makes me laugh even now. I'm also jealous that he's a better golfer than I am. It's a funny movie. No one ever comes up to you and says, "I identify with the patient." They always say, "I have patients like that. I identify with your character." No one ever says that they're willing to identify with the other character.

----Richard Dreyfuss, October 8, 2009 interview with The A.V. Club

Note From Alrelax:  Replace the word golfer with baccarat player.

Really 21A, I am human crazy glue???  Sounds like you to the 'T'!!!! ROMAFL!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gbgmOnrE7s

Does Perception Alter Reality At The Baccarat Table?

Our thoughts can alter our perception. Our perception can clearly alter our thoughts.  This can have a great impact on our own reality and even affect every decision we are making in anything and everything we are doing at the baccarat table. Perception and thoughts are our vital links to virtually everything in our arsenal as a player.  Money management, betting strategies, triggers, conscious timing of how long we want to be there, wins, losses, our plateaus, even our own experiences that can assist us in winning or harm us when we are losing.  Everything is effected with our perception and thought process.   

What is Reality?

Reality, in the sense we are using it, is both the physical world around us and our perception of that world. Reality can also be used to mean, 'what really is' rather than perception, what is real. In this case, we are including it to mean 'perceived reality' as well.  Which is so vital at the casino table, it is beyond me---why anyone would choose willing to alter it.  Unlike sports and other competitive hobbies-events-outings and competitions, I do believe for gambling it is hugely adverse to change the reality as to the physical world around you.  Some say they remove themselves from the physical setting of the casino and such, allows them to concentrate and tune out the bothersome and annoying people around them.  To me, it is vital to stay within that world of reality with 100% consciousness and vision.  Not so much to stay awake or something of the like, but to allow yourself to take advantage of something that could benefit you with great profits and strides to win.  Baccarat's great player advantage, is its short bursts and patterns or trends as we call them.  If you cannot recognize what is actually taking place or allow yourself to ride another?s coat tails that already identified such player advantages, then you will most likely find yourself facing frustration and aggravation setting in.

So in all essence, reality is the actual picture what is happening at the baccarat table.  Not the, 'what if', or the 'probably will', or the 'it has to be', so and so-with all the other remembrances and hopeful dreams concerning the shoe production of prevailing or the losing hands and what may or may not happen.   

How Can My Thoughts Keep Me In Reality Without Altering It?

Maintaining a clear mind, non-clouded and completely open.  Non-aggravated and non-frustrated.  Conscious in every aspect of money management, my 1/3rd win hold guarantee, my 1 + 4 side parlay wager, progressions and all the other betting triggers and strategies I employ.  In other words, the correct 'frame-of-mind'.

I discount all the other drama and second guessing nursery rhymes at the table from the other players.  I don't (try my best) criticize, while staying friendly with the people I normally associate with.  I continually remind myself about staying conscious and within reality, versus altering reality and slipping into the non-controllable and unconscious state of mind.  I think to myself at varying times, how that state of mind whacks the side of my head when I lose with a baseball bat right after it allowed me to lose all the accumulated win and buy-ins I had.

Bottom line:

Thoughts are very powerful on their own, but when you put in physical and mental effort throughout the shoe, then add in the effects of other people and the entire scene, you greatly increase your intake level to huge gullibility threats.

I wish it was so easy that I could write a punch list of 10 or 12 items with how to avoid gullibility threat at the baccarat table.  But I cannot.  Seasoned players with extensive experience should have no problem in understanding what I am saying.  The newer player, although intelligent and full of common sense, will fall prey to the common threats that will change your state of reality along with your thought process, all too easy.

Last week I observed a player at the baccarat table win many times his buy-in with perfect, well thought out, precision play.  Then the next chain of events was extremely sad.  That same player got sucked up in everything that could have went wrong that was solely generated by other players winning with no idea or clue as to why they were actually winning.  The power and the overwhelming 'reality' of the additional wins and the situation, ingrained itself as reality into the player I was first referring to.  His aura, his stance and his perfect play became tarnished.  He wound up losing all of his win monies and repeatedly bought in numerous additional times during the next couple of hours.  He depleted all of those funds also.  I talked with him shortly after that point.  He admitted to me as to being caught up and falsely led into a belief by the other player's good luck.  Then how everything combined overwhelmed him into a false sense of security, thinking he could increase his wagering by two and three fold and extend his time gambling those subsequent and large wagering amounts.  He knew better and I know that he actually did.  I never saw him play that long or hard after such a great win. 

I am not placing the blame on any technical reason or tangible betting methods.  This is strictly an intangible problem faced by the highest majority of baccarat players worldwide. The reason that player lost everything is because he lost sight of reality and his own great thought process along with his perception on reality.  He slipped away and failed to adhere to staying conscious, alert and in 100% unaltered reality.  If he did, and knowing him the way I do, he would have cashed out, left the casino and reset on the subsequent visit while holding those large wins he unconsciously gave back by putting himself in an altered state of reality. 

1-3-2-6 Back Again Plus 4 Win Parlay--Purpose and Direction

Yes sir.  More and more. 

Call me crazy, call me the Rain Man with this repetitive talk.  But you know what, it freaking works. 

Haphazard sucks and willpower and devotion to flat betting is like seeing how far a knife can stick into you without passing out.  The list truly goes on. 

Wager 1:  $100 wager and win.  $200 in front of you.
Wager 2:  $300 wager and win.  $600 in front of you. ($200 back in buy-in, $200 next wager/$200 side)

If you did lose at this point, you only invested the 2 units of your buy-in, say you bought-in with $1,000 and got your 10 black chips.  If you won at this point you have a $400 win.  Think about it---you are going to wager anyway, why not have a plan and a way to capitalize if it does go your way, instead of just throwing your chips into your buy-in and keep trying for more and more??? 

Here comes the best part, if you won--you are on the casino's money (yes it is yours but you want to gamble like me and you want to win something more than a couple hundred, or if you are in a larger gaming jurisdiction--say Vegas, AC, Connecticut or Florida you can make that $100/1 Unit, $500, etc.)  To me, at this point it is Money Management to a point because you are certainly managing and maximizing your bank roll and chances. Wagers 3 and 4 are the best, '2 free chances' now that you paid your dues on the first two, no further risk on the these two.

Wager 3:  $200 wager and win.  $400 in front of you.  (You now have $600 win and you have nothing
                                                                                 from your original buy-in at risk)
Wager 4:  $600 wager and win.  $1,200 in front of you.  (If you lost, oh well, back to the one unit, even
                                                                                    you won, back to one unit, the same or higher)

Now, if I won Wager 3, I would take at least one more unit from my buy-in, and in this case, that would have been $100.  I would also wager my 4 parlay 'side wager'.  Yes, on top of my 1-3-2-6 wagering bet of course.  With the 4 time parlay, I would set that aside and probably not wager it consecutively, just here and there.  Wager the first time and parlay 4 times.  So with this, I attempt the $100, $200, $400, $800, $1,600 wagers.  If I am successful on that, the ultimate before pocketing, would be $3,200 for a $3,100 profit. 

And, like I mentioned--I don't wager this '1 and 4 parlay' every hand, but it is my separate wager of sorts whether combined with another one or by itself. 

That way, I have extra action-motivation and things going on.  For myself, it works out a heck of a lot better than haphazardly wagering.  Thus, giving yourself real purpose and direction in wagering goals and a plan of sorts.

I will re-post this thread which was on the site for a few years.  Seems some really unintelligent member is spreading some gossip and made up drama to suit his own purpose and drive, that I threw the shoe and claimed I was not punished or banned, etc., etc., etc., and so on and so forth.  Just making up PURE GARBAGE to boast his own dribble to attempt his childish humiliation of myself, etc., etc.

I was banned for the record for a period of time, I posted the ban slip.  Just for the record, once out of every 100 or 200 things the children post, I will respond to when they are brought to my attention.  This one was actually brought to my attention by a member here that saw it referenced on another website.  Just goes to show you how they are hypocrites, lairs, drama queens, wash women and all that to the millionth power!!!!  ROMAFL!  I have played more years than most of them have been around anyway, but certainly dwarf their experience without question.

Just felt the need to respond to this one, I will respond to others say in about 6 months and thousands of their posts later.  BTW, the group of 5 or 6 X-Members that I had to ban or moderate here for their negativity, cussing, trolling, and attempted board take over, etc., seem to be doing the exact same thing they complained about here, elsewhere.  ROMAFL!

'The Other Night'    5/6

It was a Saturday and I did NOT want to go.  I almost never go any longer on Saturday nights, just too crowded and many are just too rude.  Our bac table is on the main floor, there is no High Limit room I suspect is the reason this happens.  Anyways, my Viet lady friend bugged and bugged me to go, it was her dream or some weird Asian thing.  So I jumped in my car and hour and half later I met up with her.  We got two seats at the table and bought in.

So, we get to the 5th hand and it has been, 1-B, 2-P's and 2 B's at this point.  New shoe, fresh night.  Clear mind.  My Viet lady friend and I know the importance of tuning out the rest at this point.  New into a shoe, no loses, no wins, all that.  It is important.  If you are losing and others are continually winning-you can jump on and hopefully it helps you and possibly you can win, but if they lose---you get sunk, but time!  So we look at each other and say, "2nd natural for the Player and second hand natural for the Banker.  Let's go heavy on the Banker for the next few, if we win one table max".  She kicks off her shoes, (bad luck to the Koreans I think) but when she does it---it means to me she is dead on serious and let's rock-n-roll and she tucks both her legs underneath her.  Good, at least I know no chair of hers will be flying back into the aisle as she has a habit of doing!!! 

The next hand winds up being a natural 9 for the Banker and a 5 for the Player.  By the way, we both pointed out to each other the Player cut on the same exact hand, we had a monkey and a 9 for the Banker and a 4 and an Ace for the Players.  Same exact cards came out for our table max win, our first wager.  We didn't take it as an omen, we took it as a sign of good luck and strong-handed showing for the Banker side.  We wagered another table max for the Banker followed by a third one.  Both of those also won.  Then we decided to cut-down to $500 and the rest of the table boo'ed us and the dealer cocked his head to the side.  I let go with a "Better safe than sorry".  I probably would have followed her if she insisted on staying table max until it fell off, but I just didn't feel it.  She didn't argue as well.  The dealer gave us extra time and asked up 3 times if not more, if we wanted to increase our wagers.  We stayed with a purple chip each.  It made another Bankers for the 6th Banker in a row.  We both pulled down the win and stayed at the $500 each for the 7th attempt.  Players come out with a 2 & a King and Bankers come out with a 7 and a 6.  The dealer is touching the card in the shoe and he says, "I feel a 7 or an 8, maybe a 9 or a 10, but it is a big value card regardless".  He slides my Viet lady friend the card since no one else was wagering on the Players and she peeks and said, 'it has 3 sides'.  I was thinking a 6 or 7 and we are pretty much cooked.  A couple of others had larger bets than us, but didn't jump on board the Banker until the last hand before this one.   She works the card and flops an 8, done deal.  We look at each other and talk about going back to max wagers and I pleaded with her, that every time I have every switched sides on a run or went in after several hands of 'something certain', or anything of the likes, I always lose.  Superstition yes, but probably 8 or 9 times out of 10 it hold true.  So I will stay the same, not increase.  She wanted to, but said she was staying the same as me.  The next hand went to Players. 

We lost the next couple on the doubles as we were really thinking singles and then we both look at each other and without saying anything, moved our thumb and fist fingers, continually clipping them together and both shook our heads.  Our code talk for chop sticks, chop-chop, etc., LOL.  And we caught all 7 of the chop/alternating hands, every single one.  We lost on the double that came out on the Player with a 1 over a zero on the 23rd hand.  No ties yet, not a single one, and to me that is a huge predictor of strong or semi-strong patterns/trends to form for some reason. 

The next two hands were Bankers and then we both agreed 100% on the Banker would run to either 6-7 or 8 to match the first Banker run of 7, with the classical and proverbial one less, the same or one more.

The next three wagers we did all table max and we won each one like clockwork.  One the 2nd table max wager where the Players side returned a zero my Viet lady friend let go with a super loud scream of 'yeah' and people started to gather behind her.  She turns around and shoes them away with her hand, telling them to give her some room as she doesn't want their breath down her neck.  She tells it the way it is, kind of like myself most times.  After her little spat with the on-lookers, she slams down a natural 9 for the Banker and then we are up once again.  The dealer slides her the cards and she passes them off to me and I work them.  Player had a monkey and a 3 as I flopped a 3 over also and said, "I got one of those and the other one was a 2 line card--a 4 or a 5".  The whole table was 'dinging' and yelling the word 'ding', and I flopped the 5 over.  We looked at each other and said, "same as before or what, another 2 spots"?  Everyone was waiting on us, not that we are the big shots there, just we were winning far more than losing and the many times the others went 'against' us they lost.  Happens all the time in live games, has nothing to do with how much money you got out there, unless they are doing it for pure support factors, but they were clearly following us, which I don?t like most of the times.  We both agreed to do the same exact thing we did on the previous Banker run of 7 we caught with the reduced wager in the last two spots.  We reasoned out, if we did something different than we would only be bringing ourselves bad-luck, which I know is foolish talking about it here or after the fact, but at the table it is not for some strange reason, hopefully someone can support what I said with 'gambling logic' instead of armchair quarter-backing style. 

I throw up a stack of green and the Viet lady immediately pushed them to the dealer and says, "purple please", she said, "we need the same exact thing as before or we are done".  She believes this stuff and I don't challenge it when it is going good.  When it doesn't go good, I am usually the first to say, "bull poo-poo" or maybe "believe all that garbage you can't change the cards".  But the camaraderie was there right then and it was working, I am not one to change the oil after 1,000 miles just to say I take care of my car!  We don't have to figure out the wins, just let them happen and repeat.  Most of us get too hung up on figuring out the losses and that to me, is why most of us get confused at the table and then frustrated and aggravated. 

So, of course the next two hands play out the same way as the Banker run of 7 earlier and we kept our single purple chip up there each time.  The dealer was a different dealer but the dealer knows us and agreed without giving us a hard time over it. 

I went to the restroom and I got her one of those fake copied Starbuck's unicorn multi colored drinks, the same as she had the other night and knocked the one into the dealer?s chip rack.  When I came back to the table, the same floor person was there with his arms crossed and yelled my name out and shook his head.  He said, "Oh please---not again, please control your partner and just keep it to the left side of you instead of in front of her". 

So, on hand 39 it was our bright idea to go table max for the Player to have a run like the Banker did and we were convinced this one would be 7 to 10 spots more.  We lost the first time we tried it.  We seldom do like most of the players do these days, and that is to keep wagering for the side you just lost on to prevail.  We sat back and watched.  I told her, let's not start wagering a bunch of small money wagers and then lose and then we would only start wagering more and more to recoup, please don't get into that tonight.  She agreed.  Sipped her pure sugar drink and watched.  The floor person threw a $75.00 comp on the table for us to go to eat later and I stuffed it in my pocket.  Here at this casino, the hosts are only for slots players and table pit managers take care of all the table game players.  Comps are good for 30 days or so once written so I don't normally throw them away if I am not going to use them the same day.  He told me it was a reward for controlling my friend tonight and not messing up the table again, LOL.  Anyway, we decide to go table max again after the 3rd Player for a 4th on the 47th hand.  A tie came out and we both pulled down.  We decided to stay on the idea the Players would make a long run.  We won that one and then we stayed and we lost the next one to a natural with the Banker's side. 

I told her, I wanted to stop and she would not.  I pounded on her head and called her hard headed, she made more money tonight than her restaurant makes in a good week.  Let's leave.  Then she started placing numerous bets and was losing one and winning one, I warned her and tried to stop her.  I knew what was coming, it always does.  I grabbed her chips and left her $750.00 to play with.  I went to the cage and cashed them, she stormed after me, I told her to listen and held her cash.  I cashed out as well.  This was around hand 69 or 70 or so.  She wanted to keep playing.  She started making wagers with a couple hundred each time winning one and losing two.  She kept looking at me and I would only tell her, "no feeling".  I got her to leave and gave her the cash in the parking lot from her chips I cashed out.  She is one that always used to buy-in repeatedly with extra money if she lost.  I finally got her to stop that and she saves a ton of money, when it isn't there--it just is not there.  When it is, especially the way it went with this one shoe, I think it is best to cash out.  Of course, there is always that, 'What I could do' and that, 'I can win lots more', but I pay attention more to my feeling now as well as what is going on around me, these days more so than the past.  I didn't really do any money management or apply my 1/3rd, 1/3rd, 1/3 system to the win money--I guess I wasn't set to play 3 or 4 shoes with my mind frame.   

Sure I wanted to stay, but too many times the easy wins like we had come early and then you get smacked by the casino with that proverbial,'whatever you do you can't get a winning hand' type of play.  The people started to come in the casino, those with the, "I will wager against you and win", style of play and that is aggravating more than anything to me.  Here is the shoe I am referring to I posted in the above thread for your reference. 

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The game of emotions, fits, tantrums, and release for some.  Others sit with their heads in their hands and bathe in their own sorry-dissent or tiny section of their unfriendly world.  It never changes. 

Myself and another white person with the remainder of a full bac table being Viet or Laos people.  One of my favorite players was next to me, a Viet lady.  She owns an Asian restaurant about 75 miles away in a larger metro area and comes to play bac usually 2 or 3 nights a week.  We usually meet up on Thursday's and Friday nights for the game. 

She is a little bit younger than me in her late 40's, very long hair and relatively attractive to say the least.  Not the casino's largest player but up there anyway. We made some pretty wins on this shoe and we most definitely caught the first little run of 6 Players with 4 out of the 6 being natural's.  Then we both caught the almost adjacent little run of 5 Bankers and the Tie to the right of those Players.  We get down to around hand 67 or so and we both were up considerably in this shoe. 

You have to understand what happened just prior to this to make the whole picture.  She was on her 2nd super large Freeze Cappuccino 'Starbucks Unicorn Multi-color' imitation drink that is nothing but pure sugar and whipped creme and tons and creamy syrups and sprinkles and coloring to copy that weird thing Starbucks just recently had out.  It was made in the casino at their coffee/pastry shop.  We both had about 3 or so packages of Little Debbie Snack Cakes and I was on my 3rd or 4th coffee by this time.  So pretty obvious we are both there hyped and ready to roll.  The others at the table were either with their hands in the palms of their hands or sitting back waiting for something to happen. 

An x-dealer from the other casino not too far away, the one I was banned at twice, once for picking up the shoe and throwing it into the middle of the pit because of the way the dealer was talking and acting to the players, was there dealing.  Don't forget here, unlike the other place nearby, the dealers get to keep their tips 100% to themselves, so a rude dealer at another casino around here, gets a job here and suddenly he/she has a one million percent improvement overnight with their new personality! 

So, here we are ready to rock n roll and the dealer is letting the players set the pace and saying nothing, taking a super long time between hands and there was another player wagering table min and keeps putting his hand out over his wager to stop the dealer as he thinks, rethinks and keeps thinking if he should wager the $10.00 he was wagering, $10.00 to $2,000.00 max table.  I mean like this guy is holding up the dealer like a good solid 45 seconds to a full minute almost every hand.  The lady and I both agree table max for the next 4 Players and then switch immediately to table max for the next 4 Bankers. Our reasoning was, Yeah stupid but this is what it was---there was just 2 Bankers preceded by 2 Players and all four hands won with 7's-8's or 9's against weaker numbers.  2 and 2 equals 4, so there would be 4 Players followed by 4 Bankers.  Okay, whatever.  It easily could have been chop, or doubles or 10 of one side or another.  But that is how we assumed and what we geared up for.  I push my $2k out on Players and she pushes her $2k out on Players and we each throw up a green chip for the dealer.  She clearly says to the dealer, ?give us some cards to win with and you get a quick $100.00?.  Dealer nods.  My Viet friend is like 'Dit-Me, Low-Dit' don?t know if I spelled those exactly correct, which they mean, Dit-Me (Mo-Fu) and Low-Dit (As* hole).  The others pop their heads up and snicker, the dealer knew nothing.  The dealer was not into it at all and just being a puppet.  So she peeks at the cards for the Players and without turning them over, my Viet friend snatches back the green chip and the dealer has a fit and yells for the floor person.  The floor person comes over and puts his hands on his hips and says, "what did you two do now"?  He knew something was wrong and he is the coolest floor person there.  In fact at the casino there is only one floor person that is a nightmare and you don't want to mess with him.  So the dealer says, "that lady removed the tip/wager she placed next to her wager after the cards came out".  My Viet friend gets up and says, "The lady is acting like a complete bitch and we don't deserve it".  The floor person asked if she could just put it back and she said absolutely not.  The floor pleaded with her and she came back and said, "I will put it on top of my stack and since I will be over the max, if I win you kick it back and if I lose, I get it back also.  It is a compromise".  The floor told her, "okay put it on top and the dealer will say player takes and not break down your chips".  Then the Viet lady says to the dealer, "be nice and don't be a dead puppet and you will make money also from us".  The dealer doesn't say anything.  The Viet lady slams down a natural 9 and the Banker hand was turned over with a 7.  The dealer broke down her chips and took her first finger and thumb and flicked the quarter chip back to the Viet lady.  She looked at her and kept say, 'Aayh-Aayh-Aayh' and the whole table cracked up which means F***, etc. 

We repeat the same thing and then we each put up $50.00 in red for the dealer.  The Viet lady puts her hand out over her chips and looks at the dealer and says, "be nice, be on our side, can you be like that instead of being a puppet"  The dealer got into it and smacked the shoe and smiled.  If she really didn't change she sure did an expert theatrical rendition of changing personality in about 2 minutes. 

Everyone is on the Players anywhere from a couple hundred to table max like the both of us were.  The dealer slides the cards to the Viet lady and she passes them sideways to me.  I look, blackjack and I toss them in and just say, 'wrong table'.  The Viet lady motions the dealer to flip the Bankers cards and she turns them over with an 8 showing on top.  She pauses and shrugs her shoulders.  Before she slides the card sideways to reveal what is under the 8, the Viet lady jumps up, the back of her legs knocks her chair over on the floor and points to the 8, and starts screaming for 'nothing' to be under it and continuously waves here hand as to blow away anything good from appearing.  The dealer does the same thing, totally into the game and no doubt thinking about her $200.00 if we win.  A duce is underneath and the Viet lady and the dealer fist bump.  The dealer slides me a card and I slide it to the Viet lady.  She picks up her chair and sits back down.  She takes a huge bite of a Little Debbie Snack cake and starts to slowly chew it.  She peeks at the card and half the Little Debbie cake is coming out of her mouth and then she is cussing under her breath.  She said, 'not good'.  So, I am thinking a monkey or an A-2-3 card.  Regardless, the Banker has to pull, she tells the dealer to pull and flip the Banker card as she slides her card we still didn't see up to the Players side.   

The dealer flops a monkey and the Viet lady is screaming.  LOL!  I know I can't do justice to this in wording but everyone from all the other tables are looking, laughing and holding beer bottles up cause they know we are winning, just a bunch of customer camaraderie going on.  The dealer sits back and crosses her arms and says, "I did that just for you".  The floor person said, "you are lucky because I know that player and you probably would have been wearing that funky looking freezie drink she has in front of her".  Then we get to the next hand, oh lord!  Time for dealer change and the dealer gets tapped out.  The Viet lady and I ask the floor person can she deal one more hand and he said no.  Normally they do most times, but he said she could not.  Then the Viet lady pleaded and he finally said okay.  Now everyone is on the Players of course for the 3rd hand.  The others with little chips are putting up everything they have on it.  The Viet lady and I and another have table max and I put up 3 green chips and the Viet lady does also for the dealer.  The other guy puts up one green chip next to his wager and the Viet lady yells at him not to be so darn cheap and he finally puts of 3 quarters as well.  The Viet lady looks at all our wagers and tells her, you have $235.00 up so $470.00 if you give us some good cards?.  The floor person is laughing his butt off and telling her, "you better take her advice or I know you will be wearing that drink". 

The dealer slides the 2 cards for the Players right between us and she said, "you guys decide".  I take one and the Viet lady takes one.  She flops a monkey and I tell her mine is a 4 sided card and she immediately starts blowing with her head close to the card I had.  I don't take long and I flop the 9 over.  The dealer quickly flops a 5 for the Bankers.  Of cause now everyone is pleaded with the floor person for the same dealer to deal one more hand and he firmly says he cannot.  She pleads and pleads for the dealer to stay and the dealer didn't get up out of her chair yet, and the floor person says switch.  So the new dealer sits down and says, "let's continue this, I am ready".  Bad thing is, he is the official cooler of the casino as we always tell him and everyone.  We look at each other and say we are f***ed.  The dealer says, "come on think positive".  The dealers are in rotation from the next table game beside our table, so it is not like the floor or management has an option to pick any dealer to come in, etc. The whole table looks at the dealer and says, "we tried thousands of times and you always mess it up".  Floor person walks away and says, "have fun, call me if you need me" and walks away.  We were actually going to wager on the Banker and then we said, "we agreed on the Players already and we won 3, if we switch up and lose we are totally as*holes to the millionth power".  Dealer says, "stick with it, I am dealing you a Player".  We all look at each other and we decide to stick Player.  We actually said we were okay to continue Player because there was other 5 and 6 Players small runs and we are only asking for a 4 repeater.  So after we convinced ourselves that it will be player, we wagered the same once again.  We all stuck a quarter or some red chips up for the new dealer, whom we all knew very well.  Then I say, no way and I pull my chips down and the lady calls me a fool.  She said, she knew we would have the 4th Player in there and why chicken out.  I point to the dealer and say that's why.  The dealer laughs, he always does.  He is an okay guy, not rude or anything, just never lets no one win at the game.  So I stay out and everyone else stays put. 

No one is on the Bankers and the Viet lady gets the first two cards.  The Viet lady flops over a 2 and a 9 and the Banker is slowly revealed by the dealer for a 6 and a 4.  "Can we get something please", a couple of the players say.  The dealer is shaking his head yes.  They get the first card and it is a frigging 9 reducing her hand to zero.  She just turned red, real quick.  She stands up and is yelling for a monkey, no in fact--everyone at the table is yelling for a monkey.  The dealer flops an Ace.    She goes to play smack the dealer with her hand, as in a back hand motion and winds up knocking her large frozen drink right into the dealer's chip tray.  He yells for the floor person and we can hear the floor person saying, "what now I only been gone for one minute from you guys".  The Viet lady is freaking out and yelling and cussing up a storm calling the dealer a 'Goo', or something like that that means 'dick'.  Security comes running up, most likely called by surveillance and the floor person did not call and everything is shut down.  After a complete transfer of chip trays, about 20 minutes later, the game resumes. 

Now, we are talking once again.  Four Bankers is said, I say, "Can we just please go with the original 4 Players and 4 Bankers scenario, we already have the 1st Banker out"?.  She points at the dealer and the dealer is cracking up.  The floor person says, "Can I please go over to the blackjack tables they need me there, please you guys help me and be good".  We all wave our hands for him to leave and the dealer is laughing.  The Viet lady hunched over the table with her hands on the rail and says, "Please---can you please be nice to us".  The dealer says, "sure, yes". 

Well he gave us the 3 more Bankers with the last two being natural 9's.  We wagered for him and each time he is saying, "See I am not so bad, huh"?

Then the last hand was a Fortune 7 and no one wagered for it after being burned out trying to get it numerous times.  Did well and called it a night.  Walking out, I had to laugh about some of the stuff that went down and just snickered a bit to myself.

(The first shoe from the first post in this thread is the shoe I am referring to here in this)
https://betselection.cc/baccarat-forum/live-cards/msg55621/#msg55621

Additional info.

FYI, please add the following into the subject of Sections & Turning Points, as I have discussed them.

I am basing the following figures off of a very common $25.00/Min to $5,000.00 table in the Midwest rather than a common $100/Min to $10,000.00 table in Atlantic City or Vegas.  Yes  there are higher limits with usually higher mins, such as a $300/$500 Min. with a $25,000.00 Max off the street limit without front money table, etc., but I am stating what I see every week at a $25.00/$5,000.00 table.  Limits are employed for reasons to assure casinos players cannot guarantee themselves a comeback and a win, even with larger bank rolls and buy-ins.   

I do not subscribe the the fallacy and the long term haunting karma of, "Beating The Casino" or "Beating The Shoe".  A win is a win and replenishes my buy-in first and then my bankroll where the buy-in came from as first priorities before locking up the excess, etc.  How long I play a session depends on numerous things, too many to list out and situations/sessions produce varying things.  I do risk my buy-in most times and if I cannot win I seldom buy-in a second time for that session/trip.  If I win, my money management method is kicked in.  If I am up and down without really winning anything substantial or barley getting over my buy-in with continued wins, I might call it a session based upon what is happening, etc.   

Most players look to "Beat The Shoe" and "Turn The Lights Out" on the casino.  Both dangerous and both produces false positive thoughts, IMO.  Of course I love to win.  But losses go along with those very same winning sessions.  I do not grind as many say and label their own way of playing.  I do not subscribe to a daily or a session grind with a limited Stop Loss or a limited Stop Win.  I risk my buy-in.  For those of you that have followed my writing here on this board, know that.  For those new members that have not, I detest the limited Stop Loss and a limited Stop Win for numerous reasons.  But most of all, I risk my buy-in funds and try my best to strictly adhere to my Money Management Method I have outlined. 

I look to play along with the shoe, rather than against it or needing it to match up to my wager for me to win.  I am referring to things such as anti streak wagering, whereas a player would wait for a 3-4 or 5 repeating B or P win to place a wager for the opposite side cut to happen.  Yes, over the long run there are all kinds of mathematics, statistics and percentages greater than 50% with various forms of scientific and math probability factors that will support wagering for the opposite side cut to present itself next after 3-4-5-6-7-8-9-10 hands, etc., and so on.  However, say you wager for the cut after a 3 repeating B or P is presented.  Your wager is $200.00.  The Banker produces 3 Banker wins straight and you place $200.00 on the Players side.  A 4th Banker appears.  Then you move to $400.00 on your next wager and a fifth Banker appears.  Then you move to $800.00 and a sixth Banker appears.  You are now into your attempt to win $200.00 with $1,400.00 out of your buy-in lost.  Now you have to wager $1,600.00 to continue on your path you started to recoup your lost $1,400.00 and win $200.00.  The dilemma you put yourself into was, counting on the shoe to adhere to long term statistical results of less than 100% to hold accurate for your wagering.  You are actually wagering for the shoe to meet what you desire rather than yourself attempting to wager with the shoe. 

Yes, the shoe might cut to the opposite side 10 times straight on the 4th, 5th, 6th repeating hand for the following hand.  And you capitalize on that particular wager one unit, say $200.00 for ten times, $2,000.00.  However, what about the 4 or 5 or 6 times it will not and the repeating side continues to repeat?  You lose all of your winnings for all of those times.  How deep and how far do you dive into the attempt to recoup, win or break even?  Most people will answer that very same question with an innocent and believable, "Oh, I will employ a 3 or 4 attempt stop loss" or something to that effect.  but with a negative progression as I outlined, will certainly and extremely quickly add up to sizable amounts.  Thus, wiping out wins and buy-ins and bank rolls.  So you won $200.00, 10 or even 20 times?  So what.  What about the 5 or 6 times out of say 15 or 16 times you employed that, that you lost?  What about the one time you went 8 or 9 progressions deep, etc.?  So, back to the 4th attempt we are at above with your $1,400.00 lost so far on 3 failed cut attempts to complete an anti streak wager because of statistical results so it will rather than continuing a repeating streak. The next wager would be $1,600.00 and you are now risking $3,000.00 for the recouping attempt and winning $200.00.  If lost, you will then be into your attempt with $3,000.00 lost and the question arises, about the next wager of $3,200.00 with the risk factor of $6,200.00.  If you lose the 5th wager of $3,200.00 the next would have to be $6,400.00 with a risk factor of $12,600.00.  Table limits come to question as well.  Maybe you can play two spots, some casino allow this, most do not.  Maybe you are at a larger table limit property but then the $25.00 min most likely would be $50.00 or at least $100.00 and your max still will limit you to 5 or 6 attempts, etc. 

Even if you wait for the 6th repeating win and wager on the 7th one.  It is common for  7-8-9-10 and even 11 times for a repeating B or P to repeat itself.  Yes, before the onslaught of chastising comes here, I am very well aware of the statistical odds gaining huge amounts of percentages on the next hand to cut when there are continued repeating wins after hand 5 on any side.  But the streaks happen and happen all the time.  They are not rare by any means.  And streaks or playing anti streaks or anything of the likes can and do, wipe out buy ins and bank rolls every day of the week.  That is my point here. 

Or, maybe you switched up during the attempt to be correct on the cut and you went with the streaking side and then it cut, etc.  Does not matter.  Same results.  Which is a loss of your wager. 

Other types of scheduled wagering also apply and really no different than the above example to wager for anti streaking.  And yes, eventually with a large enough bank roll and/or buy-in available (dependent upon table limits), you can recoup your lost funds and win one unit if not more.  But most, safely to say the highest amount of players do not have those funds available or are willing to risk those funds for such a trivial return, or one of numerous other reasons. 

And please, do not misunderstand what I am saying.  I am also for the cut at varying times.  I do not just wager on streaks by any means.  I do not limit myself or plan on any standard scheduled type of wager to bet on based upon anything.  If you limit yourself to Banker or Player, or Cuts, or Repeats, or Chop, or doubles, or 1s and 2s or any other type of events, you will grind yourself down and ultimately lose.  If not within a session, within a period of time.  Sections & Turning Points will show the neutral, conscious, clear thinking player what is happening as it is happening.  But it is still up to that player to determine what to wager on.  Of utmost importance is the psychological influences imposed upon the player and his ability to not let those influence him (which is extremely difficult) and apply his knowledge, experience and money management method to his wagering, etc.

Turning Points & Sections are NOT after the event or shoe.  They are during the event, during the presentments, each is only a hand or two, possibly three behind being drafted and established.  You are fooling yourself if you assume otherwise. 

Quote from: Lungyeh on July 07, 2019, 06:53:39 AM
This is a good narrative for most who wants to win. A good description of the background of the game. It is difficult to do it precisely as you go along especially when you are also betting. Glen has done it with much effort, and with some adjustments in retrospect, I would think.

Anyway, the analysis of each shoe into sections is one thing. Each section will appeal to different types of players. A dragon player may make a killing a n one section. A chop chop guy in another section while a random player in yet another section. Point to be made is, like Glen pointed out, do you have the patience to wait for the section that suits your personality profile? Such sections sometimes don't happen. There are a few, very few, who have the flexibility to be able to bend to the wind and don't break. Able to see each different section of games are at play and capitalize on it

Anyway, good piece. Keep the articles coming Glen.

"A good description of the background of the game. It is difficult to do it precisely as you go along especially when you are also betting."  Yes, correct.  Without an understanding of the game itself, meaning; What it can produce and what it may not produce, as well as--how dangerous it is to follow what just won for yourself, all will add to your disadvantage of wagering and winning. I have said it elsewhere, you cannot really win (at least larger amounts) without experiencing losing and negative events produced by the game itself, the people playing it as well as yourself.  As well, as I have pointed out and you have said here, extremely hard as you go along especially when you are betting.  Extremely I wish to empathize. 

"Anyway, the analysis of each shoe into sections is one thing. Each section will appeal to different types of players. A dragon player may make a killing a n one section. A chop chop guy in another section while a random player in yet another section."  I have defined my game with Sections & Turning Points.  I have posted in the past about this.  At times, I realize through comments from members/X-members such as Jimske with extreme criticism and humiliation, that I have failed to explain and proffer in clear detail.  My response:  It is difficult to address the subject of intangible happenings in a random game with the clarity and definiteness as one can do running theory, testing, computer modules and also columns of results with armchair quarterbacking to point out, justify and state with some kind of math or statistical results or even scientific probability results in percentages as to what will happen over a period of shoes.  The problem with all of that is, not that the results are not accurate or truthful, those results may or may not come up within the small amount of shoes you will play at a casino.  Hence, those results are worthless unless they are common sense results to the most basic questions, etc. 

I have discovered numerous things that will give a player an advantage if he can follow them, control himself and apply the physiological things I have written about in relationship to control, cashing wins out, money management method adherence, your own levels & plateaus, and a few other things. 

And what you said regarding the Sections and identification of them is correct.  We all play differently and we all see different things in the presentments.  I am outlining something that has assisted myself in a huge way and allows me to recognize certain types of events.  I shy away from 1s and 2s but not much else.  1s and 2s on a consistent basis will kill most players with their buy ins and bank rolls. 

"Point to be made is, like Glen pointed out, do you have the patience to wait for the section that suits your personality profile? Such sections sometimes don't happen."  EXACTLY!  100%!  I point this out for examples.  Remain neutral, remain patient, remain with a clear frame-of-mind, remain with complete consciousness of what you need to wager, win and walk away with complete knowledge and alertness.  It is not easy as Lungyeh said.  Absolutely correct, "Such sections sometimes don't happen"!  But when they do, pounce on it with positive progressions and parlays and pull down each and every win amount and lock up each one, etc. 

High 20's with both the Player and the Banker sides.

As far as a streak or consistent events other than repeating Bs or Ps:

Complete shoe of doubles (BB-PP-BB-PP-BB-PP, Etc.) with the exception of one triple around the middle, plus ties throughout the shoe.  (One time only I witnessed that type of complete shoe event).

Complete shoe of chop-chop (B-P-B-P-B-P, Etc.)  with tie hands throughout.  (Also, one time only I witnessed that type of event as well).

Numerous times larger sections of Chop-Chop and Doubles, probably around 12-18 times.  More than 12 boxes/events to me starts the rarer occasions.

Everyone has their own style.  After many years of play, I find it easier to concentrate and easier to win larger, when only concentrating/focusing on one or two Sections.  Problems arise thou.  Such as patience, will power, wagering quickly or out of sync and having the frame of mind/intense desire to recoup your lost funds quickly.

Of course if you are not there when the best of the best Sections happen, or the best shoes, or easier than other shoes to win, etc., appear---then you can not win. 

With that said, personally playing an entire shoe from start to finish or the majority of it, is complicated and hard to survive for most.  Unless you are winning and really cut back and wager near table min until something comes along that you can identify and capitalize on extremely well.

All, IMO of course.

When you are hot, you are hot.  No two ways about it.  With math, stats, probability, following, opposite, guessing, whatever.  Does not matter.

However, there will be a breaking point.  A turning point to your continued success.  I do not care who you are, what method you are using, how successful you just hit it off, etc.  Does not matter.  The breaking point where you will not be able to do what you just did successfully, is coming, 100%. 

The magical and varying question is, when?  At what point should I stop playing and cash out?  That is the question.  Most will not ask it because winning is overpowering and winning produces false positives that are extremely difficult to control and see around us as we are gaming.

If you realize a hot section and you successfully capitalized on it, it is imperative that you regulate your wins.  What does that mean?  That means, to divide up your winning amount of profit with something along the lines of 1/3rd additional to continue and 2/3rds locked up.   This money management method will allow you to add to your buy in or bankroll while you remove a certain amount of profit.  But you have to realize what is going on as it is happening.  Helping you get away from the dead end path of win stop a few units and loss stop several units with luckily breaking even after a session or numerous sessions.

Do not use wins as a fuel or ammunition for strictly progressions, playing larger and adding to your bank roll for the exact same reason.  All that will eventually happen, is you will bust out larger and harder. You must identify your own plateau and level of play.  You must stay at those and within them no matter what unless you are winning.  Then you can go outside of them and do exactly what I said here.

I recognize a 1/3rd reinvestment into the immediate buy in and session being played and a 2/3rds hold of the win money.  If you follow, you will add fuel to your game and have an advantage to continue winning a considerable amount greater than a few units, without jeopardizing your buy-in

Turning Points

(NOTE:  Turning Points coincide with Sections.  Without Sections, Turing Points are worthless for the most part, without Turning Points, Sections are worthless for the most part as well.)

There are two ways to assist in determining where a Turning Point should be.  One, is by a definitive amount of hands played out; And two, is by the values of the hands being played out in each hands total.

1)   There will be at least 2, but usually 3 or 4 Turning Points per shoe, coinciding with the 3-4 or 5 Sections.  You cannot get the Sections and the Turning Points confused or fail to recognize them.  They will both exist and always be there in each and every single shoe.   

The definitive amount of hands will be somewhere from 15 to 25 per Section separated thereafter by a Turning Point.  The Turning Point is not defined by what we wish, desire or need to be presented in order to match up to your schedule of wagers we set according to anything.  Turning Points are to be set by the shoe's presentments.     

2)   The more complicated part and as well, subjective to one's interpretation, are the values of the hands being played out.  To me, as well as many others that I regularly play baccarat with, are the hand values.  Determining hand values and how those can and will identify a section within a Section, also known as clumping, will usually present itself, somewhere within the highest majority of most shoes.  You must be alert, conscious of what it is, looking for it, neutral and the many other things I have identified and written about that will lend advantages to you in the recognition of just that. 

Above all else, you must not attempt to change the shoe presentments and wager according to a pre-scheduled mechanical and thought out chain of event you wish to happen.  That will only produce false-positives that will lead you down a path you wish you never entered.  Realizing values of the presented hands are essential to capitalizing on the advantage that will allow you to literally, "Pounce on It". 

I am not going down the road of math, statistics or scientific probability of computer generated, long term testing or research results, etc., or anything of the like.  If you believe in those, STOP reading now and move on.  We do not see eye-to-eye or anything that will allow us to interface and learn from each other.  Reason being, anyone into math, statistics, or scientific probability measured in percentages can justify just about anything outside of the casino and away from actual play.  The long term simply does not matter/apply to a random game where a person is only playing a few shoes, even 10 shoes or so, even 15.  All the math and all the stats apply far less than 50% of the time with the amount of shoes or hands a player will sit in front of for a session.  If you are neutral and open minded and desiring to gain an advantage in baccarat, read on, comment, implement and discuss.

Either P or B, or both, can clump within a Section.  A great advantage to a person wagering is being able to get on the right side or the right events within any Section with some strong positive progression or parlay wagering.  For example the shoe below had a strong Section 2 as well as a strong Section 1.  Sections 3 and 4 would be the harder ones for myself to play.  After Sections 1 and 2, myself--I was done with the shoe and cashed out. 

3rd Card continuous additions or reductions in hand value.  Pay attention because this is what more clumping and more streaks or chop-chop or any other section of events with consistency is made up from.   

As an example I will post a shoe from the other night at the casino.  4 Sections with 3 Turning Points.  The first clump came at the beginning of the 2nd Section. 


P
B-B
P
B
P
B-B
P                                      (Section 1)
B-B
P-P
B
P-P
B
P
B
______________________________________________________________________________

P-P-T-T-P-P-P-P-P-P
B-B-B-B                                     (Section 2)
P-P-P
B-B
P
______________________________________________________________________________

B-B-T
P-P
B
P-P                                             (Section 3)
B
P-T-P-P-P
B
P-P-T
______________________________________________________________________________

B
P
B-B
P
B-B
P                                       (Section 4)
B
P
B
P
B-B
P-T-P-P-T
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FINAL:
Banker=30
Player=39
Ties=7
Panda 8s=2
Fortune 7s=3
3 Card 8/9s=1

TOTAL COUNTS BY SECTIONS:
Section 1=Player 9, Banker 10
Section 2=Player 21, Banker 16
Section 3=Player 31, Banker 21
Section 4=Player 39, Banker 30

Please refer to the + - 10/+ - 20 Count I have detailed in other threads.  This sticks more than almost anything other consistent happening throughout the shoe, IMO, experience and witnessing over the years.
This particular shoe finished with a Player +9.  Use the + or - as one guideline, coupled with others that are presenting themselves, will allow you to gain a certain advantage and be there when something develops on the correct side.  Rather than joining most everyone with the verbal astonishment's and open mouth disbelief's as for example, how the Players side can present 12 straight Players with 5 naturals, and the other 7 Player wins having a 3rd card bring the Players side total to either 8 or 9 nearly every time. 

Turning Point #1 placed between hands 19 and 20 because of the following.  1) The number of hands.  2) Player began to dominate as realized by the two natural ties and the 3rd Player presented.  3) Nothing strong appearing in first Section.  4)  Player continuously winning for 3 hands straight with surviving the cut of 2 Natural Ties.
 
Turing Point #2 placed between hands 39 and 40 because of the following. 1)

Turning Point #3 placed between hands 57 and 58 because of the following. 1)

Comments for Section 1:

Comments for Section 2:  Player/Banker tie natural 8/8 hand 22. Player/Natural tie 9/9 hand 23.  Hand 24 Play increases to a 2 card 9 over Banker 2 card 7.  Hand 25 Player increases to 3 card 8 over Banker total of 0. 

Comments for Section 3:

Comments for Section 4:

Welcome and look forward to your posting, thanks, Alrelax/Glen