Quote from: Jimske on November 16, 2018, 02:25:17 PM


\  Don't you think people should be able to endorse gambling systems?  How about a special section for system sellers?

No problem!  They are in a commercial venture, they can sponsor and pay advertising.  There is nothing wrong with the system sellers, book authors selling or promoting their books, or any other gaming commercial venture, but they have to sponsor and pay with ad space.

They have to disclose as well. 

BTW, this particular author/system seller came on the board (in the back door) and promoted before exposure with numerous handles/member names all from the same IP address and all saying how great and how much they were all making giving reviews of Tabone's systems and books, etc. 

But in general, no problem, buy add space and support the board and advertise in an open and honest and disclosed manner.

Quote from: Kimo Li on November 15, 2018, 05:40:46 PM
I believe one of the primary functions of a roulette forum is to inform roulette players about the dangers of playing roulette, especially to those who lack experience.

For instance, the dreadful draw down, an inevitable occurrence, it may strike at the beginning, the middle, or the end of a session. How a roulette player deals that kind of adversity separates the professional from the amateur.

The consistent actions taken by a roulette player to offset the unavoidable drawn down is the hallmark of a professional roulette player.

And you are IMO, 110% correct.  I tried to do exactly what you said w/Baccarat on this board. 

Quote from: Kimo Li on November 13, 2018, 02:23:50 PM
Understanding the essence behind any story offers a glimpse of the gambler's mind.

Your response depicts your perspective towards gambling; perhaps only searching for answers that are relevant to your cause, whatever that may be, discounting things that are perceived as nonsense, that my fellow gambler, would make an interesting character in a book about gamblers.

There are many characters assembled on this stage we call a roulette forum, such as our benevolent leader, our testing gurus, resident experts, etc.

We are a book of characters, caught in a journey of life, trying to find the pot of gold using roulette as a means toward the goal. A few may have reached that goal while others ponder the notion if it does exist.

In the end, it does not matter. Every chapter in life must come to an end.

Nice!

Okay guys, members, friends and 'not so close associates', etc. 

Sorry, but for the good of the honest, really loyal and dedicated player/members, I must bring this post back up.

Anyone remember the fiasco with this member, the subject of the thread?

It has been a bit over one year now.  I notice on the internet after a few minutes of due diligence and searching, he has another book out there.  No reviews.  I also notice some of the fake reviews of the preview books are now gone form the review sections as well as a couple of the real reviews from people that purchased the books and actually wrote a real review of it.  AMAZING!

Like some other websites and like some other sellers of systems, they are in all of this for the short term or if longer term, they generally stick to their guns and answer very few if any inquires and stay on the vampire route, IMO, which is sucking the blood out of the newbie, the unskilled, or the person of whatever caliber and education that just plain got sucked in and believed or wanted to believe the author/seller with his wild, unproven, can only happen occasionally claims, etc. 

If someone such as the person that came on like gangbusters within this thread was real, certain and just the plain old 'real deal' he would have stuck with all this, had hundred and hundreds of reviews, answered all people and inquires and stopped the challenging which he engaged in.  Maybe I am wrong?  I don't really know, but I play and I know the B&M casinos year after year for well over 30 years. 

I had a thread up on here, whereas I posted real shoes and even pictures of the scoreboard at the casino tables.  The person that was writing those systems was discrediting me and calling me an outright lair and making up every score card or picture I posted to discredit him.  Oh hell, WTF?  Seriously. 

Sorry, I had to bring this stuff up, thought it was totally appropriate as our position is, keep it real.  I don't know about you, but I know what I post is and what has happened to me.  I am not one for sheer and sole theory as most of you guys already know and I never have gambled on line and never will.  I am a B&M casino guy 100%. 

And BTW, was I right, was Adulay right, was esoito right?  You answer that.  I will also state here, that if Stephen Tabone turned out to be another great 'gambling author' I would be getting that debit card out and hitting up Amazon for each and every copy he published or will publish.  I just did not see it and I know what I felt and I know what was reality in my heart. 

It is the end of the day, 2 of the coldest days of the year, today and yesterday, but going back up tomorrow morning into the high 40's anyway.

Not much sleep last night.  Trying to close up to go home and watch some movies and cook.  But thinking about this for a few minuets, again without great detail, etc., I have won huge amounts of money in a shorter time or a smaller section of play, then extending and attempting to continue each one of those for those that I did extend. 

I hope that made sense.  Yes, I have gave lots of it back in my first say 15-20 years of play, at least lots more than I do now or have done for quite some time. 

Not that it is always easier to win real quick, at least enough to walk away and all that, but not matter what many say, I find it is easier to win in a much smaller play section, no matter what that section is, than it is to win and prevail with something sizable playing numerous shoes or all night, etc. 

However, the catch 22 sort of saying is, if you don't play or stop playing, you can not win.  (Win more?  Lose less?)  That is what is truly confusing, at least to the real players I have to add.

I do personally side with and like what Asym says, although it can be confusing and easily misinterpreted, IMO.

But, to go in and go extremely heavy is a favorite of mine.  It depends on many factors, too many for me to discuss here and now, as to the reason why I did go in heavy. 

However, my 'heavies' are usually with all win money or chips I put aside that already produced me an equal amount or nearly an equal amount and I see something unusually favorable to my style and liking. 

Then I have no problem to go heavy.  Meaning, maybe I started the session with $1,200.00.  Won, $1,000.00 already.  If something grab me, I would have to problem to throw in $750.00 to $1,500.00 on it. 

Or, I played for some time and it was fizzling out, or everyone left or I was just plain tired.  I still have no problem to risk everything I won on one wager or perhaps I did not win, just throw it in and wager for a double or nothing type of situation. 

False positives are killers in baccarat.  Baccarat players, at least the vast majority of them, tend to be memory bettors for what proved them correct in the immediate past or the memorable past anyway.   What this actually does, is create a false sense of what is going to happen as believed by the player, rather than maintaining a true impartial and neutral position.  In other words, the player clouds his own mind needlessly.

I have witnessed this happen to most experienced and seasoned players for decades, everywhere I have played on a regular basis.  Problem being, the masses of players believe in a handful of believes, triggers, a method or two or three, etc.  Their vision is so small, they cannot hold up to variances appearing as they do.  Many internet message board people will claim they know how to control, recognize and handle variances.  Great, just I personally do not believe that unless those players have great losses when variances hit/appear or those same players sacrifice countless winning sessions before they actually happen for the fear of variance(s) coming out. 

You know I have an analogy here.  I moved from the New York City metro area a while back to an extremely small town in the upper Midwest.  The house I purchased I choose to upgrade the HVAC system right away while having the entire house upgrade and redone with numerous things I desired.   There were two HVAC small businesses within the town.  I choose the one that the owner resided a block away from the house I purchased.  I later learned he was by far the higher priced one out of the two and known for, his way or no way, type of customer service, etc.  Anyway, he did the job and yes it was overpriced and outside of what he quoted me.  The kind of guy that stops half way through the job with all kinds of unknown problems found with 'extra' expensive solutions, etc.  He finished.  I paid him.  I later had a problem with his work.  I got the other guy to repair it and I was charged nothing as I later had the other HVAC company do extensive work at the commercial buildings I owned within that same town.  One day the HVAC guy that lived a block away from me stops me one morning as I am pulling past his house.  I told him exactly how I felt, how I knew he over charged me and how I thought he was the scum of the earth, etc., etc.  I smiled and said bye. 

A couple months after that the local police knock on my door one night.  I knew the police office of course, small town, I also owned the largest towing and recovery company at the time and was used by that police department as well for towing anything that was wrecked or being impounded.  When I opened the door, I immediately pulled out my cell phone and said, what's the problem; your dispatch can't get a hold of us?  He said, no--hey that guy on the next block knows that you are throwing stuff in his driveway as he has had several food items or trash placed in his driveway and he knows you are doing it.  The police officer further goes on and explains that they could have the items analyzed for fingerprints and he knows, based upon what that guy told him, they would come back to me and I would be in real trouble.  I questioned the police officer as to what was thrown in his driveway.  He told me, the latest thing was some roast beef inside of the plastic see through bag it came in from the local supermarket.

I told him, better do your major investigation and get some facts.  First of all, go ahead and run your fingerprints, I know it is not going to happen.  Better yet, go to the supermarket and have them pull everything bought under my points reward account, which would have every purchase we made there most likely.  Third, you are siding with a local guy you probably known your whole life and he is pissed at me for hiring the other guy that did all my commercial HVAC and plumbing stuff at the business properties.  Fourth, your buddy overcharged me and I told him so and he didn't like the way I squared off on him after he stopped me in my car a while back.  Fifth, I don't eat roast beef from the supermarket's deli counter and never bought any there. 

So the analogy is, what do you believe?  I should not even have gone into all that with the police officer but I did.  I should have told him, go run your fingerprints and slammed the door.  But, that's not me.  I do understand why he said all that, because he believed the HVAC guy and that I was attempting to torment him and throw stuff in his driveway because that is what was told to the police office by an 'outstanding' member of the business community that was within that community a heck of a lot longer than I was, etc.  Then, I can only imagine the police officer's way of thinking was, I can tell a suspect almost anything and hopefully he will confess or curtail his actions and I solved the problem. 

But to me, that way of thinking resembles the game of baccarat in many ways and how countless players believe what is said by others like it is and has to be the truth.  That is, with the fallacies and believes that are reasoned out, digested and taken as gospel just because they were said or thought by others.   

Thanks for the broken down responses/answers.

It is clear.

Yes, I do agree with you regarding the two 'areas' as you defined.

From my aspect of Member, B&M Casino Player and Moderator here at BetSelection.

Okay, so we are talking about a totally separate site, of course run by our leader 'VLS'. 

Your 'no discussion, no comment' protocol will apply to that site, not here at BetSelection.CC, correct?

I have received several inquires regarding this.  My understanding is the above.  Please clearly confirm.

As well. concerning BetSelection, my understanding is, within the "Blogs" AKA the "Highlighted", -Casino-Gambling-Casino Related-Personal from the participating members/guests, etc., is totally acceptable.  Within the "Sections" AKA the "General-Forums-MM, etc., postings and discussions regarding the thread topic.

I was under the impression as I know numerous members were, you were going to change all aspects of this site, except for the "Highlighted" section/Blogs, to post about systematic gambling wagering and that is it, nothing else. 

So, you are saying, a totally separate site?  Linked and run/moderated by VLS, but nonetheless, totally separate with the membership, etc. 

Sorry, to be so blatantly redundant but it was unclear and misconceived I do believe as being part of BetSelection as we are used to. 

Thanks,

Glen/Alrealx
Moderator and Member of BetSelction

Happy Birthday Victor and many more. Fortunately you can celebrate my little boy didn't put you on the do not celebrate list to stop your birthdays from getting older like he did me. Mines in a few weeks but my little boy is demanding we cannot celebrate anymore, oh well.

For public record here:

Roulette Ghost's threads, about 12 of them were removed due to the following:

1)  The member abandoned the board;
2)  Indecisive and continual non-answering of questions;
3)  Contradictions in his own postings;
4)  No follow up;
5)  Numerous antiquates and plain baiting or switching of info, IMO

The member is not returning as far as I am concerned.  Someone a month ago or so, copy and pasted a posting he had on another message board and he requested his thread be deleted and he publicly stated he was done here at BetSelection, etc. 

Thanks, Glen.

Give Kendo his own space if he desires.  No reason to impose here or cause others to come on this antiquated thread.

As Kimo just said:  "The positive aspect of mentoring is giving someone the opportunity to gain experience without having to go through the pitfalls of pursuing the unknown.

Contention only exists when an individual tries to control how a person should behave based on their own worldview or mindset. Therefore, we can eliminate conflicts by understanding that the only thing one can control is their own actions."

This is why almost all people that look to learn and try to depend on another will not, at least until they get some kind of extensive experience and walk down and live that school of hard knocks, lost sums of money and years of experience:

If they listen, if they trust, if they want to learn, but almost all will not.  Gambling is a bit different than other industries and pursuits, especially when there is cold, hard cash up in front of yourself.  The brain and emotions work in a much different way than almost all other work for reward type things, investments and profit turn around situation. 

Why?  Because of our perceived intelligence, beliefs that I am smart and can figure it all out, distrust of all others and simple-plain ego, etc.  That is the reason spelled out, IMO.

The above post is correct in many ways.  Everyday I open my personal and business and message board emails.  A total of 6 email accounts.  WOW, some days unbelievable!  From all over the world, the prince, the kings, the western union managers, the attorneys telling me I have 100 million dollars to be forfeited, and countless other things, almost everyday.  Then all the blind solicitation, etc., etc.  Years ago it used to cost either stamps, printing and stationary to do all this or labor and phone calls, expenses.  Now it is all computer, type a letter and mass email.  Sure there are some expenses, but not nearly what it used to entail in fixed costs and labor, etc.

SO we get conditioned, I believe is the proper word for it.  And many people carry over that conditioning into all aspects of their life, work and existence.  BOOM!

However, on the other hand, I do know the power and the opening up of a coach, a person that has been down the road, someone with something that they earned, sweated to obtain and took years to perfect, etc. 

Can there be honest, hard working, experienced players, good or worthwhile teachers-mentors-coaches, etc., on here or other forums or websites offering their services?  IMO, sure, why not.  Are all of them great, successful, guaranteed to make you all kinds of money?  I highly doubt it.  But, when money is involved there is always a lot of jealously, over zealously and resentment by the majority of those exposed to the solicitations, no matter if that is in the way of a print ad or a sponsorship or a indirect solicitations/offer on a message board.

And therefore, I see no magical solutions to weeding out immediately who knows what and who knows how to make others money.  However, if I did teach someone something and they told someone else, quite possibly that person they told it to, would say I was full of garbage and conned them, for whatever reason.   

......"it is wrong to say , just read and get lost if you don't like the topic. where the morality, where your conscience?
people might readily paying to scammer, believing they have finaly found their golden goose.

ask yourself , where your conscience,  and your morality?
you will not like what I wrote here, but face the hurtful truth, there's lots od sucker and swindle.
if you can't stand what I post here, be a coward and ban me"........"

We have been down this same road before with Mark/Gizmo.  But I still stand by the few sentences I said about going into a Barnes and Noble.  There will no no outright selling at this time on this forum.  However, if an author does sell, teach, tutor or anything else along professional lines or semi-professional lines, that is his business. 

At this time, as before and will most likely continue, we do not have back ground checks and statements that have to be signed by a poster to post topics or answer.  It is still, ideas, experiences, thoughts, research, questions, statements, etc.  Why not?  All sides, no?

If someone is on this board and is contact and soliciting others to sell something and we get repeated, real and factual complaints as to ripping people off using BetSelection as an advertising venue, that is one thing.  What someone does as a hobby, business or sideline, is another thing. 

IMO and experience, people with extreme experience and knowledge of gaming and gambling will be into something outside of the message board here.  It is no different than Email.  If I get an email from Joe Blow at XYZ Company on Gmail and I purchase something and he ripped me off, I do not blame Gmail, I blame myself for whatever reason(s).  Same here.  No different. 

Carry on.  Thanks, Glen.