I do not play systems, although some systems make sense if you can pick them apart and use what you can use in your style of play.  Possibly, it could be profitable that's another story and another area.

Victor wants to expand upon his systems within his computer programming on computer type of play.  I don't know anything about it and I don't get involved in this.

Kind of like Motocross dirt bike racing and racing bikes on asphalt or drag racing. Or possibly another analogy of fast food restaurant dining versus cooking your own food.

Asym,

There are many things that a player can do that will harm himself (quickly or eventually) when gambling at baccarat.  Some self-induced and others are there and never noticed by the players.

I tried to define what I wholeheartedly think can help many serious baccarat players, which is my "Sections & Turning Points" thread.

Problem is with baccarat, many on the forums here want and demand tangible, mathematical and statistical results to back up wagering.  IT DOES NOT EXIST & NEVER WILL.

There are so many paradoxical happenings and interpretations, that can be capitalized on and used in enormous profitable ways, or just used as a safeguard for players.  Open your minds and better your play. 

Quote from: Jimske on November 23, 2018, 09:53:03 PM
One thing about stadium at MoSun you can sit there with your IPAD and watch a movie on Netflix and just bet 5 bucks or nothing until your stuff comes up. LOL  And you can watch two games at a time!  No smoking, no yelling, no waiting for somebody to squeeze the stupid cards!  hahahaha

Probably another post is better to discuss pros and cons of your comment, but yes, there are two different types of play in baccarat.

Camaraderie and the original big table or even Midi/Macau style can produce larger, well coordinated wins, especially for those that gamble for that style.  Then there is most certainly the grind or the relaxed or slot machine style loner play with the newer stadium the past few years. 

Quote from: Jimske on November 23, 2018, 06:38:56 PM
I don't want to change the theme of this thread but I'll comment anyway.  So one could say just flat bet or no bet until such a time when a "possibility" or pattern or streak exists than bet and if win first one or two bets keep bumping up hoping for those "infrequents" to continue.  Say double up or UAYW Fibonacci as example.

Seems plausible but those "in betweens" may very well out number the big wins.

"Seems plausible but those "in betweens" may very well out number the big wins. "

Yes, possibly we are on the same page here? 

Hence, you have to wager/play to make money.  Sitting there and not wagering and missing opportunities/events only frustrates and plays on the player's emotions and thought process.  Like someone standing there behind you, telling everyone what it has to be and then saying, "see I told you" or if they were wrong, "sorry, that is what I thought" and shrugging their shoulders.

But, the in-between times are 'absolute terror times' on most players or another way of saying it, 'gave back all of the win and then some' times. 

Asym,

It all boils down to, how many times the 'event' (whatever it might be) happens and the players catches it, sees it, or capitalizes on it.

Many will attempt to turn all that around and convert it all into math, stats, patterns and trends, etc.  Which cannot be accurately done.

Non of them will consistently reoccur within any set parameters, no matter how a person tries to run the theory. 

Better understanding of that and the game is experience.  The problem for most is the lack of funds to their continual depleting of what they believe is the ideal bank roll or buy-in, etc.

Personally I can make huge amounts of profit on a 7 or 10 or 14 chop-chop streak or a 12 repeating P or B streak in a row, as well 8 times (16 hands) doubles or anyone of countless other events.  The problem lies in between those events and profitable times as to each of our 'cooling off' periods and how we each handle those.  Almost all the time, people cannot cool off or stop playing and thus the disaster will strike.  Probably 99.98 to 99.99.9% of the times players win.  IMO and Experience.

Again, problem being, player observation, awareness, beliefs and betting decision to coincide with events that are happening.

Quote from: Jimske on November 16, 2018, 02:25:17 PM


\  Don't you think people should be able to endorse gambling systems?  How about a special section for system sellers?

No problem!  They are in a commercial venture, they can sponsor and pay advertising.  There is nothing wrong with the system sellers, book authors selling or promoting their books, or any other gaming commercial venture, but they have to sponsor and pay with ad space.

They have to disclose as well. 

BTW, this particular author/system seller came on the board (in the back door) and promoted before exposure with numerous handles/member names all from the same IP address and all saying how great and how much they were all making giving reviews of Tabone's systems and books, etc. 

But in general, no problem, buy add space and support the board and advertise in an open and honest and disclosed manner.

Quote from: Kimo Li on November 15, 2018, 05:40:46 PM
I believe one of the primary functions of a roulette forum is to inform roulette players about the dangers of playing roulette, especially to those who lack experience.

For instance, the dreadful draw down, an inevitable occurrence, it may strike at the beginning, the middle, or the end of a session. How a roulette player deals that kind of adversity separates the professional from the amateur.

The consistent actions taken by a roulette player to offset the unavoidable drawn down is the hallmark of a professional roulette player.

And you are IMO, 110% correct.  I tried to do exactly what you said w/Baccarat on this board. 

Quote from: Kimo Li on November 13, 2018, 02:23:50 PM
Understanding the essence behind any story offers a glimpse of the gambler's mind.

Your response depicts your perspective towards gambling; perhaps only searching for answers that are relevant to your cause, whatever that may be, discounting things that are perceived as nonsense, that my fellow gambler, would make an interesting character in a book about gamblers.

There are many characters assembled on this stage we call a roulette forum, such as our benevolent leader, our testing gurus, resident experts, etc.

We are a book of characters, caught in a journey of life, trying to find the pot of gold using roulette as a means toward the goal. A few may have reached that goal while others ponder the notion if it does exist.

In the end, it does not matter. Every chapter in life must come to an end.

Nice!

Okay guys, members, friends and 'not so close associates', etc. 

Sorry, but for the good of the honest, really loyal and dedicated player/members, I must bring this post back up.

Anyone remember the fiasco with this member, the subject of the thread?

It has been a bit over one year now.  I notice on the internet after a few minutes of due diligence and searching, he has another book out there.  No reviews.  I also notice some of the fake reviews of the preview books are now gone form the review sections as well as a couple of the real reviews from people that purchased the books and actually wrote a real review of it.  AMAZING!

Like some other websites and like some other sellers of systems, they are in all of this for the short term or if longer term, they generally stick to their guns and answer very few if any inquires and stay on the vampire route, IMO, which is sucking the blood out of the newbie, the unskilled, or the person of whatever caliber and education that just plain got sucked in and believed or wanted to believe the author/seller with his wild, unproven, can only happen occasionally claims, etc. 

If someone such as the person that came on like gangbusters within this thread was real, certain and just the plain old 'real deal' he would have stuck with all this, had hundred and hundreds of reviews, answered all people and inquires and stopped the challenging which he engaged in.  Maybe I am wrong?  I don't really know, but I play and I know the B&M casinos year after year for well over 30 years. 

I had a thread up on here, whereas I posted real shoes and even pictures of the scoreboard at the casino tables.  The person that was writing those systems was discrediting me and calling me an outright lair and making up every score card or picture I posted to discredit him.  Oh hell, WTF?  Seriously. 

Sorry, I had to bring this stuff up, thought it was totally appropriate as our position is, keep it real.  I don't know about you, but I know what I post is and what has happened to me.  I am not one for sheer and sole theory as most of you guys already know and I never have gambled on line and never will.  I am a B&M casino guy 100%. 

And BTW, was I right, was Adulay right, was esoito right?  You answer that.  I will also state here, that if Stephen Tabone turned out to be another great 'gambling author' I would be getting that debit card out and hitting up Amazon for each and every copy he published or will publish.  I just did not see it and I know what I felt and I know what was reality in my heart. 

It is the end of the day, 2 of the coldest days of the year, today and yesterday, but going back up tomorrow morning into the high 40's anyway.

Not much sleep last night.  Trying to close up to go home and watch some movies and cook.  But thinking about this for a few minuets, again without great detail, etc., I have won huge amounts of money in a shorter time or a smaller section of play, then extending and attempting to continue each one of those for those that I did extend. 

I hope that made sense.  Yes, I have gave lots of it back in my first say 15-20 years of play, at least lots more than I do now or have done for quite some time. 

Not that it is always easier to win real quick, at least enough to walk away and all that, but not matter what many say, I find it is easier to win in a much smaller play section, no matter what that section is, than it is to win and prevail with something sizable playing numerous shoes or all night, etc. 

However, the catch 22 sort of saying is, if you don't play or stop playing, you can not win.  (Win more?  Lose less?)  That is what is truly confusing, at least to the real players I have to add.

I do personally side with and like what Asym says, although it can be confusing and easily misinterpreted, IMO.

But, to go in and go extremely heavy is a favorite of mine.  It depends on many factors, too many for me to discuss here and now, as to the reason why I did go in heavy. 

However, my 'heavies' are usually with all win money or chips I put aside that already produced me an equal amount or nearly an equal amount and I see something unusually favorable to my style and liking. 

Then I have no problem to go heavy.  Meaning, maybe I started the session with $1,200.00.  Won, $1,000.00 already.  If something grab me, I would have to problem to throw in $750.00 to $1,500.00 on it. 

Or, I played for some time and it was fizzling out, or everyone left or I was just plain tired.  I still have no problem to risk everything I won on one wager or perhaps I did not win, just throw it in and wager for a double or nothing type of situation. 

False positives are killers in baccarat.  Baccarat players, at least the vast majority of them, tend to be memory bettors for what proved them correct in the immediate past or the memorable past anyway.   What this actually does, is create a false sense of what is going to happen as believed by the player, rather than maintaining a true impartial and neutral position.  In other words, the player clouds his own mind needlessly.

I have witnessed this happen to most experienced and seasoned players for decades, everywhere I have played on a regular basis.  Problem being, the masses of players believe in a handful of believes, triggers, a method or two or three, etc.  Their vision is so small, they cannot hold up to variances appearing as they do.  Many internet message board people will claim they know how to control, recognize and handle variances.  Great, just I personally do not believe that unless those players have great losses when variances hit/appear or those same players sacrifice countless winning sessions before they actually happen for the fear of variance(s) coming out. 

You know I have an analogy here.  I moved from the New York City metro area a while back to an extremely small town in the upper Midwest.  The house I purchased I choose to upgrade the HVAC system right away while having the entire house upgrade and redone with numerous things I desired.   There were two HVAC small businesses within the town.  I choose the one that the owner resided a block away from the house I purchased.  I later learned he was by far the higher priced one out of the two and known for, his way or no way, type of customer service, etc.  Anyway, he did the job and yes it was overpriced and outside of what he quoted me.  The kind of guy that stops half way through the job with all kinds of unknown problems found with 'extra' expensive solutions, etc.  He finished.  I paid him.  I later had a problem with his work.  I got the other guy to repair it and I was charged nothing as I later had the other HVAC company do extensive work at the commercial buildings I owned within that same town.  One day the HVAC guy that lived a block away from me stops me one morning as I am pulling past his house.  I told him exactly how I felt, how I knew he over charged me and how I thought he was the scum of the earth, etc., etc.  I smiled and said bye. 

A couple months after that the local police knock on my door one night.  I knew the police office of course, small town, I also owned the largest towing and recovery company at the time and was used by that police department as well for towing anything that was wrecked or being impounded.  When I opened the door, I immediately pulled out my cell phone and said, what's the problem; your dispatch can't get a hold of us?  He said, no--hey that guy on the next block knows that you are throwing stuff in his driveway as he has had several food items or trash placed in his driveway and he knows you are doing it.  The police officer further goes on and explains that they could have the items analyzed for fingerprints and he knows, based upon what that guy told him, they would come back to me and I would be in real trouble.  I questioned the police officer as to what was thrown in his driveway.  He told me, the latest thing was some roast beef inside of the plastic see through bag it came in from the local supermarket.

I told him, better do your major investigation and get some facts.  First of all, go ahead and run your fingerprints, I know it is not going to happen.  Better yet, go to the supermarket and have them pull everything bought under my points reward account, which would have every purchase we made there most likely.  Third, you are siding with a local guy you probably known your whole life and he is pissed at me for hiring the other guy that did all my commercial HVAC and plumbing stuff at the business properties.  Fourth, your buddy overcharged me and I told him so and he didn't like the way I squared off on him after he stopped me in my car a while back.  Fifth, I don't eat roast beef from the supermarket's deli counter and never bought any there. 

So the analogy is, what do you believe?  I should not even have gone into all that with the police officer but I did.  I should have told him, go run your fingerprints and slammed the door.  But, that's not me.  I do understand why he said all that, because he believed the HVAC guy and that I was attempting to torment him and throw stuff in his driveway because that is what was told to the police office by an 'outstanding' member of the business community that was within that community a heck of a lot longer than I was, etc.  Then, I can only imagine the police officer's way of thinking was, I can tell a suspect almost anything and hopefully he will confess or curtail his actions and I solved the problem. 

But to me, that way of thinking resembles the game of baccarat in many ways and how countless players believe what is said by others like it is and has to be the truth.  That is, with the fallacies and believes that are reasoned out, digested and taken as gospel just because they were said or thought by others.   

Thanks for the broken down responses/answers.

It is clear.

Yes, I do agree with you regarding the two 'areas' as you defined.

From my aspect of Member, B&M Casino Player and Moderator here at BetSelection.

Okay, so we are talking about a totally separate site, of course run by our leader 'VLS'. 

Your 'no discussion, no comment' protocol will apply to that site, not here at BetSelection.CC, correct?

I have received several inquires regarding this.  My understanding is the above.  Please clearly confirm.

As well. concerning BetSelection, my understanding is, within the "Blogs" AKA the "Highlighted", -Casino-Gambling-Casino Related-Personal from the participating members/guests, etc., is totally acceptable.  Within the "Sections" AKA the "General-Forums-MM, etc., postings and discussions regarding the thread topic.

I was under the impression as I know numerous members were, you were going to change all aspects of this site, except for the "Highlighted" section/Blogs, to post about systematic gambling wagering and that is it, nothing else. 

So, you are saying, a totally separate site?  Linked and run/moderated by VLS, but nonetheless, totally separate with the membership, etc. 

Sorry, to be so blatantly redundant but it was unclear and misconceived I do believe as being part of BetSelection as we are used to. 

Thanks,

Glen/Alrealx
Moderator and Member of BetSelction

Happy Birthday Victor and many more. Fortunately you can celebrate my little boy didn't put you on the do not celebrate list to stop your birthdays from getting older like he did me. Mines in a few weeks but my little boy is demanding we cannot celebrate anymore, oh well.