Quote from: AsymBacGuy on May 28, 2019, 09:30:39 PM
Nice posts Al.

Now expect some people telling you that such bets have an astoundingly EV negative itlr, or that those long streaks happen very rarely. :-)

If the game isn't beatable mathematically or statistically (and of course it is) this thread should demonstrate that some betting lines may cause the house to get a bit of discomfort, albeit temporary.

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Thanks.  And, you are correct.  What I tried to exemplify is the exploiting of what was being presented.  Yes, these few shoes are huge profitable shoes if played the way most of us think and most of us know what could happened.  And exactly that, it did happen!  I and the others were on it. 

Normally we are not or we hit one or two and then back off.  But this time, that was not the case.  It was many things and one of them was camaraderie and team work. The other thing was playing the shoe as it was being presented, not the interpretation of what I thought I wanted it to be.  If I did that I would have never caught 13 or so chop chops out of 18 or 12 Players straight with positive progressions out of 15 it made, or any of the other numerous fantastic and easy large money wins that were presented.  Worked out super great and super well and instead of saying, OMG I wish I was on that, or OMG we missed such great runs-streaks-chops, etc., we hit them and wagered on the opportunity that presented itself.

All the while adhering to my Levels and Plateaus.  That is the way profit comes and builds when shoes present opportunity.  I posted the proof the best I could.  It takes time and trouble to post this stuff, I do not sell anything or benefit monetarily by posting.  Think about it.

So they do not happen all the time.  And, that is just my point I have tried to make here on this board.  But we saw it and we capitalized on it.  We do not play that way every shoe, not the other day and not tomorrow or in the future.  Each shoe we approach is different unless you are using a mechanical system and a pre-decided upon wager schedule, etc.

Thanks Bally6354.

Defining events that will and do frequently happen is the foremost thing in baccarat a successful player would desire to do when he is actually playing.

Live baccarat versus the test or practice game on your computer is two entirely different things whatsoever.  I would have to liken that comparison to watching a video of cutting a lawn with a lawnmower and the event of actually doing the same thing.  Different and so many things can happen, but coming from the same principle. 

The problem so many do and expect when they study and study and find their 'gig' or 'key triggers' on the internet, is they set a schedule for themselves for that definitive wagering.  Bad, wrong and will not work.  All that way does is provide false positives that fuel your hope and instability within the game, within each shoe. 

Frame-of-Mind with wide vision to be neutral is a huge player's plus and baccarat player's advantage overlooked by the player's ego, desires and greed as well as his desperation to recoup past losses.  The other thing he will offend himself with, is his inability to play all side of baccarat and what the shoe will eventually present.  He narrows his thoughts and perceptions to either one of the two most popular things, which is the shoe being extremely strong or weak.  He fails to admit it does both sides with a bit of the 'middle' mixed in while it does both sides or it does not do either side.

Vision must be neutral without that typical, strong headed narrow focus in wagering for a certain event, that you are counting on coming out as a result of what happened rather than what is happening or what could happen.  The words in bold will make you a lot of profit if you can truly understand them and convert them into actual play.  Otherwise you are doomed within my opinion most every time you play this game.

Traditional Vision:  What you see and interpret from the past which generally overrules anything else.
Traditional Thought:  What you think will happen and suit you best.  More desires than actually getting into any kind of real thought.
Traditional Results:  What had happened.  "Look at what came out", and then basing things on that.
Traditional Realization:  The whole scene in totality with limited sight, again thinking what is happening is going to happen, no matter with the shoe presentment or otherwise. <<<And that is exactly where countless people make their mistakes!

Better Vision:  What can form; weak--strong--alternating--doubles--1's 2's and 3's--streaks, anything and everything, etc.
Better Thought:  Not limited to one or two sets of anything or your own desires.  Most importantly, adding possibilities in the correct way to the thought processing picture.
Better Results:  Looking at them and what the total picture is into sections and events, not into a whole shoe or multiple shoes in the attempt to match statistics and long term results. 
Better Realization:  What has happened, what is yet to happen, what can or can not be 'reasonably' possible, what can happen on a more consistent and regular basis or on an infrequent and limited basis, etc.

The shoe shown in Post #9 here, was a gold mine.  Although 1s and 2s are generally tough shoes to play, this one was not.  After the initial 4 Bankers and 2 chops, we caught the doubles, then after the first chop, we all agreed that the shoe would be strong for 1s and 2s and we switched to chop-chop only.  I would say 2 out of 3 of us playing this shoe, caught and won at least 13 of those chops out fo the section of 9 and 7 with the few doubles or triples in the middle. 

Two of us played that whole middle section as chop-chop and did not get flustered by that middle section.  The other player switched to twos and threes and lost most of his winnings from that shoe with a negative Marty. 

After the second section of chop-chop both of us switched to twos only and we made more than we lost up to the three card 8-9.  We stopped playing the shoe after that when I took that picture.   

Actually all the play was 4 to 5 shoes at one casino and one shoe at another casino on Thursday and Friday nights.

I started out this post for the 3 shoes at the one casino which was the premise of the post.  Our play extended into the next evening as well. 

I did not have the time to post about it, download and resize pictures, etc. until yesterday, Monday. 

The shoes exemplify huge opportunities that presented themselves.  The three of us playing them took well over $200,000.00 from the casinos.  The few other people that popped in from time to time, either lost money or made a few units and moved on. 

Bac is about the whole picture and applying experience and knowledge as well as a great money management method that will allow you to build and increase your wagers, while backing you off and/or stopping you on losses that will happen, IMO.

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"We are clearly playing normal once again and off tilt.  We are all tired though, clearly extremely tired.  We are playing slow, real slow.  We played for the shoe to even out, too strong.  We called it right with the 1s and 2s.  We hit another 3 card 8-9 and we hit that 2nd Fortune 7 where you see my picture was taken.  The dealer was out of chips, everything gone from his rack except some red and one row of white they keep for cocktail waitress change and some people betting white for the dealers, etc.  We all got up and this point and went to cash out.  The floor came over and said go take a break and he would get security there quickly with a fill.  We did and we all went straight to the cashiers cage, 

That shoe produced 16 Bankers when we returned.  We stuck on the Banker side but we could not digest and clearly think and see it.  We wagered a lot smaller than we did with the first 6 Bankers when we wiped out the dealers chip rack."

Here is some more of that shoe with the 15 Player streak and then the Banker streak with the last Banker shown another F-7 win.  That is the point we got up, took a break and cashed out the majority of our win, the dealer also had all his purple, black and green taken by us, as I described above. When we came back tot he table, the Banker produce another 10 straight Banker wins, totally 16.

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Here is the other board that was played just before or after the one I posted a couple posts ago.  Both shoes had 5 F-7s in them.  Like I wrote about numerous times and challenged and ridiculed, I go by my first F-7 within the first 10 hands or if not appearing, then 13 to 17 is the advantaged play. 

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I posted one of the pictures out of order with the F-7 being paid to my spot.  Like I said, too time consuming to post all this material! 

The one with the $50 F-7 is a dup picture of the hand after it won, just showing the win money pushed to my spot #5. 

I found 3 out of the 5 pictures of the F-7s I hit that shoe, but there was 4 with the third card being a 4 out of the 5 F7s within that one shoe. 

And here is another shoe.  The one that floored us.  5 Fortune 7 once again.  Four of them with the third card for the Banker being a 4.  WOW!  Never saw that before.  The winning card for a bonus wager 4 times in a row out of 5, the same number and being a 4 to boot for the 4 times!  WOW.  Here are at least three pictures of it along with the board. 

I will not post these many pictures and explanations in the future because of the lack of interest and concern and related negativity from members.  IMO, most of you have no idea how to capitalize on the great opportunities that are there at the casino these days. 

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Being paid to my spot:

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H-Money sitting in a few hands, just passing by the casino but had to run his family waiting to go somewhere out of state for the holidays.  He won a quick $4,500.00 or so in a few hands.  Here:

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Here is another one with a 4 for the 3rd Banker card to win another F-7 wager.  Table max on it is $100.00, i wagered $95.00 and $5.00 for the dealer so the dealer gets $205.00.  There was some extremely happy dealers those nights and they do take care of us when we need something or start the tilt stuff.  $200.00 off to the right side for the dealer and mine is stack up, $3,800.00.

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Like I said, 4 out of the 5 F-7s this shoe were with the third card being a 4.  Here is the 3rd one, i can not find the picture of the 4th one, I think i must have text it to someone and took it our of my gallery, i do not have the time to go find it.  But I will post this one and the board to shoe you another shoe with 5 F-7s like I said form the other night.  There were two shoes with 5 F-7s within the few we played. 

Here is another F7 within that shoe:
 

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Here is a picture of the board after the 5th F7:

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Now we are back at the casino with the Bad Beat EZ Bac game.  Not much sleep.  The Asian guy got his winnings back and the Asian girl is ready to go once again.  It is late like midnight.  We said that we would play a couple hours max.  But we are slow, real slow, it is just the 3 of us and the casino is pretty quite, most people waiting for Sunday and Monday but we all hate to play the holidays as most people just get sucked in, over and over.  We are all up a considerable amount of win money and we all know each other.  We know each others weaknesses and strengths with the game.

So we are back at the Bad Beat Bac game now.  We start the shoe.  The Asian guy will not bet, he waits and waits.  The Asian lady and myself are wagering and deciding on the chop only.  We hit the first 6 and lost to the first 2nd line hit, which was the Banker as you can see. 

I like the F-7 in the first 10 hands and if not in the first 10, I like the 13th to 17th hand as I have previously wrote about.  So, we stick on Banker and the Asian guy now jumps in on Banker as well.  We hit the 8th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th and 14th hands which are all Bankers.  We get to the 17th hand and I am telling them F-7.  I feel it and sure enough it comes.  We all had $75 to $100 on the F-7.  We just hit all the Bankers, we are feeling it.   Please note the 4 naturals for the Bankers and when those naturals came out. 

We stick on Banker and lose the next one when it cuts to Player with a Natural and then we win the Banker once more.  We are hell bent like stupid puppy dogs chasing a dog biscuit held by its owner in circles!  We all said heavy Banker, Banker by far and large.  We lost the clear pattern of the exact match to the Bankers 4 recent 4 naturals with the 3 in a row for the mini bank streak.  We lost every hand with the natural Player wins.  We were clearly going on tilt!  We could not see it or feel it.

Even a dealer told us to stop playing, in fact he pleaded with us.  Because we take care of the dealers with lots of side wagers, especially on the F-7s and we were hitting them and the keep their tips/wagers, so $200 and $400 times 2 or 3 at a clip is huge money to the dealers.

We are hell bent on the Bankers making a huge comeback and we frustrate ourselves.  Then we all go towards tilt and we swear the Banker is going to be strong and dominate.  We wager heavy on Banker and then the Naturals for Players come out in the same exact order to match those for the Banker that happened a few hands earlier.  We are all clearly leaning towards going on tilt!  We are mad and we are on the wrong path! 

We stop the game, we look at the board, we talk about the numbers, we point and talk about the matching of naturals and all that.  We are either going to smack the heck out of the casino or lose all our win money.  We look at each other, we high five, we reinforce ourselves and we go get something to drink.  The dealer assures us they will went for us to get back, even if someone else sits down, they will make them wait for us. 

We went to the self serve drink area and we talked away from the table.  The Asian lady and myself said Players wagering when we go back.  The Asian guy was like no, Bankers.  We talked and talked.  The Asian guy agreed to wager Players as well.  No one against each other, just play together. 

We got back to the table and we all went Players with Panda 8s and F-7 wagers as well as 3 card 8-9 wagers and the Asian lady and I was also on the Any Natural 9/8 wager bonus wagers. 

Here is what happened:

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So we hit 12 Players along with one Panda 8 within that streak as well.  Still low ties, another clear indicator that bonuses happen as well as strong/sticking patterns/trends.  Again, I have wrote about all this in the past which most of you highly doubt and continually challenge and label as sheer guessing games.  But in reality, it is not.  It is opportunity that presents itself and opportunity that is capitalized on by those with non medicinal wagering beliefs. 

We are clearly playing normal once again and off tilt.  We are all tired though, clearly extremely tired.  We are playing slow, real slow.  We played for the shoe to even out, too strong.  We called it right with the 1s and 2s.  We hit another 3 card 8-9 and we hit that 2nd Fortune 7 where you see my picture was taken.  The dealer was out of chips, everything gone from his rack except some red and one row of white they keep for cocktail waitress change and some people betting white for the dealers, etc.  We all got up and this point and went to cash out.  The floor came over and said go take a break and he would get security there quickly with a fill.  We did and we all went straight to the cashiers cage, 

That shoe produced 16 Bankers when we returned.  We stuck on the Banker side but we could not digest and clearly think and see it.  We wagered a lot smaller than we did with the first 6 Bankers when we wiped out the dealers chip rack. 

We played one more shoe.  Like I said we were dead tired, real tired and past two days without more than 1 hour, maybe 2 hours of sleep.  We all own business several hours from this casino and we all needed to be somewhere in a few hours.

Here are some pictures from that shoe as well: 

Here is a Nat 9 over a Nat 8 within that Players streak, yes i know it looks like I was on Banker, but no---the dealer just paid me and i puled my wager down which was within the Players wagering box of course, you are seeing the win paid out and place above my wager I pulled down.  I did not think it was going to do that and I wagered the $100.00 off to the side the dealer had to spread out as a tip for the dealer.  In the dealers hand is the Asian guys win waiting to be passed to him which the guy put a quarter out for the dealer, so that is the red chips in the dealers hand, just when there is a lot of dealers wagers out there, they need to wait for the floor to say okay before paying, he paid mine then the floor turned around to take care of something else. 

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Setting myself up with some red for the bonus bets and some green too.  I play the bonus wagers the majority of the times with win money, not risk money.  I set aside a certain amount for numerous chances.  It is part of my money management method.  It is real, this is reality.  Sorry guys to bust your mathematical and formula efforts of the grind.  I play to smack the casino and we do more than we lose.

This is extremely time consuming to post and downloads pictures and once again, I feel it is all a waste of time.  But I felt the need to do it this once because of all the rude and obnoxious comments by the haters and the players that post their negative rubbish. While they demean, humiliate and chastise my previous posts and explanations, etc.  The real protocol to how to play baccarat, IMO.

Like I said, a winning Players wager and putting it aside for upcoming F-7s and three card 8-9s, etc.:

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Then we took a ride and switched casino for a few hours.  We walked into a new gold mine.  We saw it and we saw it clearly.  Here is the board we walked in on hand 44 and we finished right after the 11th Player win. 

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The one Banker came out after the 4 naturals 9s straight in a row for the Players.  The one Banker was formed from the Player having 5 and the Banker 0.  Player pulls a 5 and the Banker pulls an Ace.  Player fizzles with everyone pressing and wagering heavy on the Players side.  We went on the Banker side after that had happened and of course it was another Player.  We stuck on Banker side and went heavy.  Banker came out.  We stuck on the Banker.  The a natural Banker and then a 9/9 tie.   My buddy was hell bent on playing the chop like the while table was.  I told him no and i pushed his bet down.  I told him stay on Banker do not switch it up.  The whole table, better than 10 players all heavy on the Players, every single one of them.  Every hand saying, I cannot believe it and getting themselves all flustered and really mad, convincing themselves they had it all figured out.  The four natural Banker hands were all natural 8s.  We lost the last one with the Natural for the Player side coming out.  Then a Natural for the Banker.  At this point everyone was 100% convinced of Banker streak or at least a few Bankers coming.  I was not, I thought chop or a Player streak of 6 or 7 maybe 8. 

We both wagered heavy on the Players side and it stuck as you well see.  Every hand not a natural was beating the Banker with a 3rd card addition to 8 or 9 and if the Banker drew, with a reduction to 0 or near 0.  We hit them all and lost only the last one.  While almost everyone doubled and Marty galore almost every wager hoping to change the shoe.  LOL! 

You cannot fight what is coming out and presented.  Rule number 1.

As soon as the one Banker came out, I took my win and had to yell at my buddy and force him to take his and leave to go cash out.  He wanted to play.  This is the Asian guy from the other casino that lost all his winnings because  of his greed and stupidity.  He got back all his win with the past 10 hands or so. 

Cashing out $6,500.00 instead of keeping it on the table in temptation and playing bigger and bigger and larger and larger and getting sucked in!  I have wrote about this and this is adhering to my Levels and Plateaus. 

All part of my money management method that works and works well!  (Since I have been chastised and ridiculed with writing fiction and telling stories by a few on here as well as the other boards, I thought of documenting some of my play with some pictures, that is what you are seeing).

One of the Asian guys whom is a pretty big player won all kinds of money and got sucked in with continuous large bets and lost it all while we were all winning, he just played harder and harder and lost it all.  While the rest of us just leveled out and maintained our regular plateaus instead of a continual increase. 

I left for a little bit, went to Western Union and sent my family some extra cash, paid my bills, put money orders away and bought my little boy an IPad Pro and a bunch of books he wants for his birthday in July.  Done deal. 

Return to casino and play at my previous level with another buy in. 

Here is the picture of my cash out the first time:

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This is one of my, money for the children, wagers.  I choose the Players side with a $400.00 wager.  Won it and set it aside locked up.  The purple is win money and the money to the is my set aside for the bonus wagers, also win money.

Link:  https://betselection.cc/alrelax's-blog/do-what-is-right!-where-do-you-stand-where-do-you-sit/msg66660/#msg66660  which will explain my thoughts and helping children whom are underprivileged.

That is the way I play baccarat.  Like it or not.  We win and when we win, we win with hundreds of units of profit.  Not a grind with 6 or 8 or 10 to survive. 

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Probably here comes more argument with, how did you know, or your decision is only guessing, or you could have lost your wagers, and all forms of those because we do not play the grind way with 7 or 9 or 14 columns of long and drawn out formulas to attempt the 6 or 10 or 12 units of what is assumed mathematically advantaged play, that takes a large amount of shoes.  Nope, we play for large profit as compared to our risk capital of our buy-in money.  And when we win some units on B or P, yes we will attempt those initial wins on F-7s or P-8s or 3 card 8-9s or Natural 8/9s or any 8/7s, etc., etc.  Getting 25 to 1 to 200 to 1 is extremely notifiable! 

We play with looking for favorable conditions, comparing and defining 2 or 3 or 4 events that have happened, not happened or have historical event to happen in most all shoes.  We play with it, against it, etc.  (AsymB, and others know exactly what I am saying). 

As I have stated numerous times in the past about F-7s, shoes have on the norm, 1 or 2, however depending on the way things are going, the numbers of - 10/+10 to -20/+20 as well as low ties (which to me are 0-1-2-3 ties) as well as the position of the shoe where the first 1 or 2 F7s happened, there might be 3 and if there are there with certain conditions I mentioned herein, there is a great chance there will be 4 or 5.  We had 2 out of the 3 shoes the other night with 5 F-7s each!  We each had between $25.00 and $100.00 on them. It happens and it happens with conditions present the highest amount of times.  The key is the conditions being recognized and actually present. 

Sorry guys, Memorial Day Weekend, the restaurant and bar are super crowded and we threw a special with free meals and drinks to Vets and their families with the support of several businesses in our small town.  I am trying to post this stuff and here is just the start

Here is our first three card 8-9, we already took half the dealers rack of chips, by the next shoe they had to stop the game and wait for security to come in with a chip fill.

My friend to the left of me had 4 nickels on the 3 card 8-9 for a $4,000.00 pay out, I had 3 nickles on it for the $3,000.00 pay out. 

This was only the start of a great 3 days playing.  First picture is her pay-out, second picture is mine.

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Here is what happened, and it happened because of camaraderie what so many demean and chastise me about mentioning.  But without camaraderie at the table, this three card 8-9 would have not been wagered on by the 3 of us playing and the three of us hit it with a great win.

The story for this is as follows:  We wagered on the 8-9 for that shoe, probably somewhere around 10 times so far.  It was going on hand 62.  The lady to my left stops the game.  Walks around to the board and runs her finger on the second line of the Bead Plate all the way across.  Says, look, every single Banker was a natural.  Not a single Banker win without it being a natural.  Lets all go with $15 or $20 on the 3 card 8-9 and a large Banker wager.  The guy to the right of me says, your full of S**t.  I told him come on, just appease her she really is a good player and hits a lot of her F-7s, P-8s and numerous 3 card 8-9s and other bonus wagers.  He throws up a nickel on it and wagers on the Players side.  He has a $1,000.00 wager on Player and the rest of us went with Bankers.  She looks at him and tells him to wager on the Banker side.  He says no.  She keeps on and on and on.  The dealer knows us all as we are all known players there.  He is laughing and the floor comes over and says what's up?  The dealer tells him we are all crazy but no problem.  The floor walks away.  Finally the cards are dealt.  The lone Player throws up his total of 3 for the first two cards.  The lady has a multi thousand dollar wager and is a bit higher than mine.  She gets the cards and slides me one and tells me to look first.  I look and see the line and tell her she needs something big like a 3 line card or a 4 line with only one pip.  She looks and throws it in saying same as yours.  She knew my lingo as we have played at the same table for years.

The guy to the right of me gets his third card and is peeking and peeling it.  Throws it in and says, there beat that I got a total of 8.  The lady looks at me and says, do not worry we are getting a 9.  We will hit the 3 card 8-9 and we will also win our Banker bet while Mr. Know It All losses.  He is laughing, gets up and throws his hands up in the air.  He says, this lady is full of s**t out loud and I look at her.  I put my first finger over my lips and tell her to be quite.  I know the way she is.  She can get loud, real loud.   

So the dealer starts to pull the 3rd card for the Banker and just before he did, she stopped him and asked him to call the floor over.  The dealer said why?  She said to verify.  The dealer hunched his eyebrows and once again said why.  She said to verify because it is coming.  And he still looked puzzled.  The lady yells out, floor!  Hey floor come over to verify.  Real loud.  The floor comes over and says to verify what.  She says to verify the pay out for the 3 card 8-9 coming.  Yes, the floor knows us well.  He stands there to the right of the dealer and crosses his arms.  The lady tells him to move over to the other side please.  The guy to my right says, can we get on with this please. 

Now the lady is like getting mad at the guy with the Players side wager as he was pointing to the board saying how the Banker would not be getting a natural and at the same time losing.  She said, it aint over until its over.  The guy is saying, it will be over real soon.  The lady tells the dealer to go ahead and pull the card and then jumps up and waves her hand for him to stop.  She tells the floor that she does not want to get the card and she wants the floor to flip it.  The floor says he can not do that.  Then she said, she has seen the floor people once in awhile take the place of a dealer when the dealer has to get up real get quick and go to the bathroom or fix their contacts, etc.  The floor tells the dealer to wait and walks over to the phone and calls someone.  She keeps saying the 9 is coming, the 9 is coming. She was hell bent on the floor to flip the card and that was that.  The floor comes back and tells the dealer to get up and stand aside.  The floor sits down and asked her if she was ready. 

Floor pulls the card and flips it.  The card is the 9 you see in the picture below.  BEAUTIFUL!  A 3 card 8-9., we won the wager and the bonus wager.  The floor goes to get up and just as he is about to get up, she says, take the losing bet and then get up.  LOL.  The lady is too much, but the guy started it with his rude comments so I did not say anything.  The floor took the guys losing Players side wager and then got up and told the dealer to pay the Banker side and pay the 8-9 winning wagers.  He walked stepped back and watched. 

Here is a picture of the board after hand 61 before 62. You can see the Bead Plate here.

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