I am sorry guys not harping on this, but to me, I see a huge problem with members and people reading these boards.  They misunderstand and take too much for granted.  It really is a 2-sided street in sitting at the Bac table  The two sides that I outlined in the above post. 

Last night I stopped by the casino, first time since last weeks pretty healthy win.  And I opened a shoe, no one playing.  The dealer told me that a few people played earlier and lost, straight lost.  I learned that they were counting or wagering on what I described in #1 above.  All so very common.  Let's record part of the shoe in columns and record so much of it and then we know what to bet, because of such and such.  Sorry, same rubbish as the Roulette crowd with 5 Blacks has to switch to Red or the Hot Numbers will repeat or let us watch 35-40 spins and mark down the numbers that are cold, they have to come around, etc., etc. No darn different!

A guy sits down, changed $1,000.00.  Loses pretty much the whole thing in a few hands.  $300.00 wager lost, $500.00 wager lost.  $200.00 wager won, parlay to $400.00 won.  Wagers the $800.00 and loses.  Buys in again and again.  Finally gets wiped out.  I asked him how he figured his wagers.  He turns to me and tells me. I wait for the second one and play the opposite side.  If it still sticks then I wager for the repeat.  Tells me a few other things.  But the bottom line is, his mind is already made up because he has figured out the game and the shoe.  He is destined to lose the majority of the times.  Like to admit it or not.  Good Bac playing is totally the opposite.

Free up your mind, get into the neutrality zone and play that way.  The shoe can and will produce anything and everything, you cannot set a schedule of wagers based upon a set protocol to adhere to more than the instant shoe you are playing.  And that protocol or schedule of wagers will be different for the next shoe and the following one as well.  It maybe different for the next 10 shoes or it might not be.  But one thing for sure, it will not stick for shoe after shoe after shoe, day after day after day.  Those that preach the earn XYZ unit per week, play 5 or 6 days a week and grind out XYZ based upon their master schedule, is pure hocus pocus to the max!   

Make all the columns you desire and mark them up any way you want them.  Then put your money out there for the shoe to match your wager.  What happens when 15 Players come out followed by a little bit of chop-chop and then 16 Bankers come out straight?  Or there is 5 Fortune 7s in the shoe and the next shoe with another 5 Fortune 7s.  Then you see all that, then you say lets wager Players for streaking or Banker for streaking.  Then it goes to chop-chop or 1s and 2s.  Then you say, look at all those Fortune 7s, I will start wagering Fortune 7s and clean up.  Then there is not a single Fortune 7 for two whole shoes.  What a waste!  Boy, Alrelax is a jerk off! 

Well, by doing just what I outlined above, you are doing the exact same thing as what I originally described in #1.  The same thing.  You are following something.  Successful wagering at Bac does not work that way.  Read>>>DOES NOT WORK THAT WAY.  You have to wager on what the shoe is presenting.  Not what it is going to, or should, or did not or will most likely, or anything along those lines.  Two hands down the road or two hands before means nothing.  Hence 15 or 18 repeats, 20 chop-chops, 12 sections of doubles or anything else, sticking or not and as well, any combination of it all mix up together.  If something happens 5 times because of one thing and 5 times because of something else, you are still not further in the know because of the way the results are produced. 

There is two main beliefs in playing Baccarat. 

One is, playing a mechanical column scoring/recording systematic way method.  Where as, you score, look and find what the past has produced and possibly a tad bit of not being produced and wager for your pre-set and pre-chosen event to happen.  But always within a generic block of results that will not match up to what all or even most shoes are capable of producing and very well will produce. And in my opinion, experience and countless encounters with so many people doing just that, the results will be trivial, the highest majority of the times, if not breaking even or losing.  Is is basically a way to extend the grinding down of pre-guessing results and stating what should happen.

Two is, the absolute conscious awareness of what has happened, is happening and what has not happened within Sections of the shoe.  Coupled with strengths, weaknesses, neutrality and equilibrium at certain and vital points/sections, before and after the established turning points of each shoe.  Not limiting yourself to any pre-set or pre-chosen wagering events where the shoe presentments must meet your expectations, but coinciding with what is happening and what very well does continue or (Key Word Being -OR-) discontinues in the presentments of the shoe.

Bottom line is either capitalizing on a few match ups (as defined in #1) or capitalizing on the real opportunities that shoes will present in countless forms (as defined in #2).   And as far as #1, those cannot be decided by using a cheat sheet or believing there are 4 or 7 or 10 possible paths that will develop after so many hands dealt because of a lacking outcome or, fancy wording posted elsewhere--has to happen by playing the game for such a long time, etc., from each and every shoe (actually not admitted, is the hope and prayer that it will happen).  True and what gives huge amounts of fuel to # one, the sentence prior to this is, that well under 50% of what you defined in those cheat sheets will appear and the other events will eat up every bit of the winnings you experienced far in excess of the wins produced by matching those pre-set and pre-chosen outcomes.   

Simply,the truth being told.  Hard as hell to swallow without adding negativity, drama, chastising, humiliation and twisting and turning the truth of real players having great wins and redundant profits.  The trend of talking down, humiliating, turning the absolute truth around when one is not even present, and making up lies is not all new in most any type of competition, business, marketing and politics.  It is ingrained in most of us, however, some of us use our energy, motivation and wherewithal for other avenues outside of baccarat and gaming, which some do not have.  So maybe I just found the answer I was looking for as to why the hatred and chastising of differing experiences.  Perfect, great.     

Quote from: AsymBacGuy on May 28, 2019, 09:30:39 PM


Now expect some people telling you that such bets have an astoundingly EV negative itlr, or that those long streaks happen very rarely. :-)

as.

I missed that one line you wrote.  However, those people are so negative and so far introverted and stuck up on their win 5 or 8 units stop and lose 4 or 6 units and call it a day, type of professional career--it is ridiculous! 

I play to win and win lots more than I risked, plain and simple.  I have done pretty well most of my life or I would not be continuing to play. 

By the way, those people that talk their ever loving drama, are either on line trivial players or the types that go to the casino, buy in with $100 red chips, sit there and wait for all the big wagers and then bet against those people.  Or they sit there and play a group of hands to cut, always cut.  It is chop so they play to repeat, Oh it is now repeating so they wager their $10 or $15 or $25 to cut once again.  Always the cut.  They last about 30 min's at the table then the leave.  Or, they fill out their scorecard in the vertical fashion marking up everything and go for their kill.  LOL.  It is all good AsymB.  That is why they are welcomed here and every where to spread their wealth and their extreme knowledge of the game with their super experience, kind of like Fred Smith or Steve Jobs and let us not forget about President and Perfect Bill Clinton, love to hear them all speak in public gatherings!

I have learned so much from their musings! 

Oh yeah AsymB, I learned a long long time ago.  If others are not jealous or overzealous of you, they do not talk, stalk, make things up or chase you around.  FaceBook, Twitter and all the other social media spots proved that.  BTW, I have 103,529 followers on mine!!!!  What about you, how are you doing on social media.  You do spend all day on it right?  Talking about the 6 to 12 vertical columns and all the cash you are removing from the casinos, no?  You do make up and haunt other members and people in general no?  You do twist and turn the truth?  You do post about your all day on line 20 hour grueling play to get back you $80.00 or so, no?  Tell us, AsymB, make for some great reality here!  LOL.

Love you guys, you guys are the highlight of my day, I am so tired of staying home, wearing pajamas and eating Captain Crunch with bananas and Oreo cookies while drinking Bosco.

What so many do not understand, chastise, humiliate or belittle me about is my Sections & Turning Points as well as my Levels and Plateaus.  They are intangible but there!  I promise you.  Do you know what yours are? 

When I cashed out the $6,500.00 I set aside, I was up probably around $9,000.00.  I kept my buy in and the $2,500.00 of win money for continuing to play. 

That was about the point where the Asian guy was up around $15,000.00 at least.  He went big and hard with continuing wagers.  Sure, he could have double to tripled or quadrupled that real quick into $30,000.00 or $60,000.00.  But he lost all his win money and became flustered, mad and extremely aggravated. 

The guy started to lose as soon as I got back from the cashiers cage.  I told him, lets go to the other casino.  He said no.  I played a little bit more and did not feel anything.  The Asian lady had to stop top make phone calls for her business as well.  The guy was losing quick and large.  I finally convinced him to leave the casino and we left.  He lost virtually all his win money from the previous shoes, at least $25,000.00. 

I would risk my buy in and the other $2,500.00 I set aside for continued play.  I know in my heart and soul, we will all loose at some point.  Problem being, when the wins come and come strong, almost every single one of us are superman, non destructible players, ready to recoup the lifetime of losses, ready for a million dollars and it fails every single time.  Hence my money management method assures me I will walk a winner and happy once out of there, every single time.  If I follow it.  And I do, except for once in the past since, 2000 or so anyway. 

So we left the casino and went to the other one.  And that is we we walked and both looked at each other and said, Players streak.  We caught it and caught it well.  He recouped all his lost win money form the other casino and as well, was now up.  His mental state was great.  We returned to the other casino and played extremely well.

Quote from: ChopChop on May 29, 2019, 03:30:33 AM

Hell of a trip report, that was an awesome read!  A good percentage of the time you go play baccarat, its going to be a losing session.  Even the few that are up lifetime will lose close to half of there sessions statistically speaking. At times that is correct and other times, absolutely not.  (I have made far greater in profit than my losses.  That is because I have recognized a player can not do it every single time.  I do not grind, I do not play for a certain stop loss or stop win set in stone.  I play to risk my buy in and I play to win several times greater amounts than my buy in.  I have written about this numerous times.  Most do not believe it because they are so called professional, full time, every day, all day gamblers and they have set ways.  They lose or break even most all times.  Sure there are exception and sure some are profitable, but not the norm of them.  If you believe all the hype and all the rubbish about Banker and Player and what will or will not happen and wager with the majority of the times something could happen, you are doomed.  By the way there are very few commission games left in the USA, it is almost all EZ Bac and Bad Bet Bac, so forget about the commission deal on Banker here.  The hardest part of Bac is yourself, not the game at all.  But yes, my buy in money is a small part of my bank roll and with the 20-30 chances I have with that bank roll divided up, I will recoup all losses and have a hefty profit numerous times, which allows me to replenish the bank roll and have that profit money.  The mistake I used to make prior to 2000 was playing bigger ad bigger and larger and larger, no matter what, that is how I learned my Levels and Plateaus and that is what governs me, I proved it once again with pictures last week.  I made my bank roll 4 to 5 times over on a single buy in.  That money is gone now, spent or locked up and if feels great, fantastic and awesome.)


Which got me to thinking about your style of play.  Yes you can lose your buyin just like anyone else, but your pounce on it mentality you describe allows you to really hit some big ones once in awhile. And a loss is a loss, doesn't matter if its death by a thousand cuts or 8 or 9 shots.  Why not give yourself an opportunity to maximize your profits if you actually do end up on the positive side in a session.
(Yes I pounce on the shoe, the casino when something is happening.  To me, that is the only way.  I have always had a full time business or partnership for my career.  I have always played since 2000 or probably since 1997 or so, that my buy in is part of my bank roll and disposable, pure risk money.  Same as in business, sometimes it works and sometimes it does not.  But when it works it needs to multiply itself, not be equal to survive.  Same, same. You have the sentence I am answering pretty much spot on.  There really is no correct way to play or not play the game of bac.  It is what you can catch, no matter if that is 10 fortune 7s out of 2 shoes or 2 three card 8-9s out of two shoes or 20 chops chops or a 15 Player streak almost followed by a 16 Banker streak.  Hell, F*** Me, I have never ever seen a casino in the USA say, Sorry Glen or Sorry John Smith, you won but the way you won is not kosher and not right so we refuse to pay you, you should have lost.  Seriously, think about.  What the heck does it matter?)



Were you using the 1326 progression?   Do you keep a scorecard with hand values or just use the casino  provided screen?   (At times I do use the 1-3-2-6, but the wins were happening fast, so I rather parlay immediately and then press up the parlayed win as well.  Then pull down the winnings.  If I lost the parlayed win, I would go back down in the next initial wager.  Like after we lost the first 3 wagers on that 15 Player streak that started with the first three being Naturals.  I wagered $300.00 along with the Asian guy and the Asian girl.  He was the same, she was at $500.00.  She plays bigger and harder but normally stays shorter time. We already won before that and we were all going to leave if I recall.  But we started to win again in that shoe.  Anyway, we lost the first three and I believe we all lost, $300-$300-$300 and $500-$500-$500.  That is when we stopped the game, we took a break, we talked.  Thank God we did, cause I know in my heart if we did not we would have been flustered and began wagering against each other.  WE overpowered the shoe by realizing what the shoe was doing and we said F***, go for it.  Go with it, Players time, has not been a decent streak in a few shoes.  No we did not change anything, we bowed to the enemy and we got on the enemies side.  I wagered $300, won.  Then $600 and won.  Then $1,200 and won.  I was not and the other 2 were not going to do the same but I wagered the $2,400 and that was my final.  I pulled down every winning hand for the wins on hands 7 through 15 and lost hand 16.  I should have profited $18,000.00 after my loss of $900 and giving up the last one.  I think the Asian lady profited right at $30,000.00 she adjusted one time in the middle.  We did even better on the Banker run, but we did not believe it ourselves, because it came just a few hands after that great Players run.  We were stupid and reverted back to the chop mentality and 1s and 2s beliefs.  Those come and come the majority of the times, but they were not at the present time. 

As far as a scorecard, sometimes.  I look at the board, but most other people do the scorecard thing around me with the vertical and the same things the Bead Plate just with their own notes on it.  I believe far greater in the Bead Plate than anything else, for Sections and going with it or against it, etc.)   

Quote from: AsymBacGuy on May 28, 2019, 09:30:39 PM
Nice posts Al.

Now expect some people telling you that such bets have an astoundingly EV negative itlr, or that those long streaks happen very rarely. :-)

If the game isn't beatable mathematically or statistically (and of course it is) this thread should demonstrate that some betting lines may cause the house to get a bit of discomfort, albeit temporary.

as.

Thanks.  And, you are correct.  What I tried to exemplify is the exploiting of what was being presented.  Yes, these few shoes are huge profitable shoes if played the way most of us think and most of us know what could happened.  And exactly that, it did happen!  I and the others were on it. 

Normally we are not or we hit one or two and then back off.  But this time, that was not the case.  It was many things and one of them was camaraderie and team work. The other thing was playing the shoe as it was being presented, not the interpretation of what I thought I wanted it to be.  If I did that I would have never caught 13 or so chop chops out of 18 or 12 Players straight with positive progressions out of 15 it made, or any of the other numerous fantastic and easy large money wins that were presented.  Worked out super great and super well and instead of saying, OMG I wish I was on that, or OMG we missed such great runs-streaks-chops, etc., we hit them and wagered on the opportunity that presented itself.

All the while adhering to my Levels and Plateaus.  That is the way profit comes and builds when shoes present opportunity.  I posted the proof the best I could.  It takes time and trouble to post this stuff, I do not sell anything or benefit monetarily by posting.  Think about it.

So they do not happen all the time.  And, that is just my point I have tried to make here on this board.  But we saw it and we capitalized on it.  We do not play that way every shoe, not the other day and not tomorrow or in the future.  Each shoe we approach is different unless you are using a mechanical system and a pre-decided upon wager schedule, etc.

Thanks Bally6354.

Defining events that will and do frequently happen is the foremost thing in baccarat a successful player would desire to do when he is actually playing.

Live baccarat versus the test or practice game on your computer is two entirely different things whatsoever.  I would have to liken that comparison to watching a video of cutting a lawn with a lawnmower and the event of actually doing the same thing.  Different and so many things can happen, but coming from the same principle. 

The problem so many do and expect when they study and study and find their 'gig' or 'key triggers' on the internet, is they set a schedule for themselves for that definitive wagering.  Bad, wrong and will not work.  All that way does is provide false positives that fuel your hope and instability within the game, within each shoe. 

Frame-of-Mind with wide vision to be neutral is a huge player's plus and baccarat player's advantage overlooked by the player's ego, desires and greed as well as his desperation to recoup past losses.  The other thing he will offend himself with, is his inability to play all side of baccarat and what the shoe will eventually present.  He narrows his thoughts and perceptions to either one of the two most popular things, which is the shoe being extremely strong or weak.  He fails to admit it does both sides with a bit of the 'middle' mixed in while it does both sides or it does not do either side.

Vision must be neutral without that typical, strong headed narrow focus in wagering for a certain event, that you are counting on coming out as a result of what happened rather than what is happening or what could happen.  The words in bold will make you a lot of profit if you can truly understand them and convert them into actual play.  Otherwise you are doomed within my opinion most every time you play this game.

Traditional Vision:  What you see and interpret from the past which generally overrules anything else.
Traditional Thought:  What you think will happen and suit you best.  More desires than actually getting into any kind of real thought.
Traditional Results:  What had happened.  "Look at what came out", and then basing things on that.
Traditional Realization:  The whole scene in totality with limited sight, again thinking what is happening is going to happen, no matter with the shoe presentment or otherwise. <<<And that is exactly where countless people make their mistakes!

Better Vision:  What can form; weak--strong--alternating--doubles--1's 2's and 3's--streaks, anything and everything, etc.
Better Thought:  Not limited to one or two sets of anything or your own desires.  Most importantly, adding possibilities in the correct way to the thought processing picture.
Better Results:  Looking at them and what the total picture is into sections and events, not into a whole shoe or multiple shoes in the attempt to match statistics and long term results. 
Better Realization:  What has happened, what is yet to happen, what can or can not be 'reasonably' possible, what can happen on a more consistent and regular basis or on an infrequent and limited basis, etc.

The shoe shown in Post #9 here, was a gold mine.  Although 1s and 2s are generally tough shoes to play, this one was not.  After the initial 4 Bankers and 2 chops, we caught the doubles, then after the first chop, we all agreed that the shoe would be strong for 1s and 2s and we switched to chop-chop only.  I would say 2 out of 3 of us playing this shoe, caught and won at least 13 of those chops out fo the section of 9 and 7 with the few doubles or triples in the middle. 

Two of us played that whole middle section as chop-chop and did not get flustered by that middle section.  The other player switched to twos and threes and lost most of his winnings from that shoe with a negative Marty. 

After the second section of chop-chop both of us switched to twos only and we made more than we lost up to the three card 8-9.  We stopped playing the shoe after that when I took that picture.   

Actually all the play was 4 to 5 shoes at one casino and one shoe at another casino on Thursday and Friday nights.

I started out this post for the 3 shoes at the one casino which was the premise of the post.  Our play extended into the next evening as well. 

I did not have the time to post about it, download and resize pictures, etc. until yesterday, Monday. 

The shoes exemplify huge opportunities that presented themselves.  The three of us playing them took well over $200,000.00 from the casinos.  The few other people that popped in from time to time, either lost money or made a few units and moved on. 

Bac is about the whole picture and applying experience and knowledge as well as a great money management method that will allow you to build and increase your wagers, while backing you off and/or stopping you on losses that will happen, IMO.

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"We are clearly playing normal once again and off tilt.  We are all tired though, clearly extremely tired.  We are playing slow, real slow.  We played for the shoe to even out, too strong.  We called it right with the 1s and 2s.  We hit another 3 card 8-9 and we hit that 2nd Fortune 7 where you see my picture was taken.  The dealer was out of chips, everything gone from his rack except some red and one row of white they keep for cocktail waitress change and some people betting white for the dealers, etc.  We all got up and this point and went to cash out.  The floor came over and said go take a break and he would get security there quickly with a fill.  We did and we all went straight to the cashiers cage, 

That shoe produced 16 Bankers when we returned.  We stuck on the Banker side but we could not digest and clearly think and see it.  We wagered a lot smaller than we did with the first 6 Bankers when we wiped out the dealers chip rack."

Here is some more of that shoe with the 15 Player streak and then the Banker streak with the last Banker shown another F-7 win.  That is the point we got up, took a break and cashed out the majority of our win, the dealer also had all his purple, black and green taken by us, as I described above. When we came back tot he table, the Banker produce another 10 straight Banker wins, totally 16.

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Here is the other board that was played just before or after the one I posted a couple posts ago.  Both shoes had 5 F-7s in them.  Like I wrote about numerous times and challenged and ridiculed, I go by my first F-7 within the first 10 hands or if not appearing, then 13 to 17 is the advantaged play. 

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I posted one of the pictures out of order with the F-7 being paid to my spot.  Like I said, too time consuming to post all this material! 

The one with the $50 F-7 is a dup picture of the hand after it won, just showing the win money pushed to my spot #5. 

I found 3 out of the 5 pictures of the F-7s I hit that shoe, but there was 4 with the third card being a 4 out of the 5 F7s within that one shoe. 

And here is another shoe.  The one that floored us.  5 Fortune 7 once again.  Four of them with the third card for the Banker being a 4.  WOW!  Never saw that before.  The winning card for a bonus wager 4 times in a row out of 5, the same number and being a 4 to boot for the 4 times!  WOW.  Here are at least three pictures of it along with the board. 

I will not post these many pictures and explanations in the future because of the lack of interest and concern and related negativity from members.  IMO, most of you have no idea how to capitalize on the great opportunities that are there at the casino these days. 

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Being paid to my spot:

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H-Money sitting in a few hands, just passing by the casino but had to run his family waiting to go somewhere out of state for the holidays.  He won a quick $4,500.00 or so in a few hands.  Here:

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Here is another one with a 4 for the 3rd Banker card to win another F-7 wager.  Table max on it is $100.00, i wagered $95.00 and $5.00 for the dealer so the dealer gets $205.00.  There was some extremely happy dealers those nights and they do take care of us when we need something or start the tilt stuff.  $200.00 off to the right side for the dealer and mine is stack up, $3,800.00.

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Like I said, 4 out of the 5 F-7s this shoe were with the third card being a 4.  Here is the 3rd one, i can not find the picture of the 4th one, I think i must have text it to someone and took it our of my gallery, i do not have the time to go find it.  But I will post this one and the board to shoe you another shoe with 5 F-7s like I said form the other night.  There were two shoes with 5 F-7s within the few we played. 

Here is another F7 within that shoe:
 

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Here is a picture of the board after the 5th F7:

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