Thanks for the broken down responses/answers.

It is clear.

Yes, I do agree with you regarding the two 'areas' as you defined.

From my aspect of Member, B&M Casino Player and Moderator here at BetSelection.

Okay, so we are talking about a totally separate site, of course run by our leader 'VLS'. 

Your 'no discussion, no comment' protocol will apply to that site, not here at BetSelection.CC, correct?

I have received several inquires regarding this.  My understanding is the above.  Please clearly confirm.

As well. concerning BetSelection, my understanding is, within the "Blogs" AKA the "Highlighted", -Casino-Gambling-Casino Related-Personal from the participating members/guests, etc., is totally acceptable.  Within the "Sections" AKA the "General-Forums-MM, etc., postings and discussions regarding the thread topic.

I was under the impression as I know numerous members were, you were going to change all aspects of this site, except for the "Highlighted" section/Blogs, to post about systematic gambling wagering and that is it, nothing else. 

So, you are saying, a totally separate site?  Linked and run/moderated by VLS, but nonetheless, totally separate with the membership, etc. 

Sorry, to be so blatantly redundant but it was unclear and misconceived I do believe as being part of BetSelection as we are used to. 

Thanks,

Glen/Alrealx
Moderator and Member of BetSelction

Happy Birthday Victor and many more. Fortunately you can celebrate my little boy didn't put you on the do not celebrate list to stop your birthdays from getting older like he did me. Mines in a few weeks but my little boy is demanding we cannot celebrate anymore, oh well.

For public record here:

Roulette Ghost's threads, about 12 of them were removed due to the following:

1)  The member abandoned the board;
2)  Indecisive and continual non-answering of questions;
3)  Contradictions in his own postings;
4)  No follow up;
5)  Numerous antiquates and plain baiting or switching of info, IMO

The member is not returning as far as I am concerned.  Someone a month ago or so, copy and pasted a posting he had on another message board and he requested his thread be deleted and he publicly stated he was done here at BetSelection, etc. 

Thanks, Glen.

Give Kendo his own space if he desires.  No reason to impose here or cause others to come on this antiquated thread.

As Kimo just said:  "The positive aspect of mentoring is giving someone the opportunity to gain experience without having to go through the pitfalls of pursuing the unknown.

Contention only exists when an individual tries to control how a person should behave based on their own worldview or mindset. Therefore, we can eliminate conflicts by understanding that the only thing one can control is their own actions."

This is why almost all people that look to learn and try to depend on another will not, at least until they get some kind of extensive experience and walk down and live that school of hard knocks, lost sums of money and years of experience:

If they listen, if they trust, if they want to learn, but almost all will not.  Gambling is a bit different than other industries and pursuits, especially when there is cold, hard cash up in front of yourself.  The brain and emotions work in a much different way than almost all other work for reward type things, investments and profit turn around situation. 

Why?  Because of our perceived intelligence, beliefs that I am smart and can figure it all out, distrust of all others and simple-plain ego, etc.  That is the reason spelled out, IMO.

The above post is correct in many ways.  Everyday I open my personal and business and message board emails.  A total of 6 email accounts.  WOW, some days unbelievable!  From all over the world, the prince, the kings, the western union managers, the attorneys telling me I have 100 million dollars to be forfeited, and countless other things, almost everyday.  Then all the blind solicitation, etc., etc.  Years ago it used to cost either stamps, printing and stationary to do all this or labor and phone calls, expenses.  Now it is all computer, type a letter and mass email.  Sure there are some expenses, but not nearly what it used to entail in fixed costs and labor, etc.

SO we get conditioned, I believe is the proper word for it.  And many people carry over that conditioning into all aspects of their life, work and existence.  BOOM!

However, on the other hand, I do know the power and the opening up of a coach, a person that has been down the road, someone with something that they earned, sweated to obtain and took years to perfect, etc. 

Can there be honest, hard working, experienced players, good or worthwhile teachers-mentors-coaches, etc., on here or other forums or websites offering their services?  IMO, sure, why not.  Are all of them great, successful, guaranteed to make you all kinds of money?  I highly doubt it.  But, when money is involved there is always a lot of jealously, over zealously and resentment by the majority of those exposed to the solicitations, no matter if that is in the way of a print ad or a sponsorship or a indirect solicitations/offer on a message board.

And therefore, I see no magical solutions to weeding out immediately who knows what and who knows how to make others money.  However, if I did teach someone something and they told someone else, quite possibly that person they told it to, would say I was full of garbage and conned them, for whatever reason.   

......"it is wrong to say , just read and get lost if you don't like the topic. where the morality, where your conscience?
people might readily paying to scammer, believing they have finaly found their golden goose.

ask yourself , where your conscience,  and your morality?
you will not like what I wrote here, but face the hurtful truth, there's lots od sucker and swindle.
if you can't stand what I post here, be a coward and ban me"........"

We have been down this same road before with Mark/Gizmo.  But I still stand by the few sentences I said about going into a Barnes and Noble.  There will no no outright selling at this time on this forum.  However, if an author does sell, teach, tutor or anything else along professional lines or semi-professional lines, that is his business. 

At this time, as before and will most likely continue, we do not have back ground checks and statements that have to be signed by a poster to post topics or answer.  It is still, ideas, experiences, thoughts, research, questions, statements, etc.  Why not?  All sides, no?

If someone is on this board and is contact and soliciting others to sell something and we get repeated, real and factual complaints as to ripping people off using BetSelection as an advertising venue, that is one thing.  What someone does as a hobby, business or sideline, is another thing. 

IMO and experience, people with extreme experience and knowledge of gaming and gambling will be into something outside of the message board here.  It is no different than Email.  If I get an email from Joe Blow at XYZ Company on Gmail and I purchase something and he ripped me off, I do not blame Gmail, I blame myself for whatever reason(s).  Same here.  No different. 

Carry on.  Thanks, Glen.

PLEASE STOP!

If for some reason you/anyone does not like--enjoy--find interesting--researchable--etc., just turn the page and go on.

I know that sounds cold in a way, I know that sounds biased towards the poster in a way, I know that sounds like the easy way out in many ways.  However, we are a forum, an avenue of people with thoughts and ideas and everything in-between and everything related.

Here is a short piece I wrote on this same thread in relation to reality:

"I believe I attempted to really accomplish what you might have in mind regarding roulette play at B&M casinos, but for the game of baccarat.

Myself, I truly do welcome all types from all walks of life.  But I subscribe to that Barnes and Noble Bookstore mentality for the shopper.  Which is, browse, read and enjoy.  But, if you don't like something, set it down, move on and as you would in Barnes and Noble, no need to write, post and bother that author relentlessly and make your point over his, as no one made you pick up and read his book, waste your time and waste your money.  Same here.  Just other places that last scenario is what they really live each day to do, enter the ring, chastise, humiliate, call names and attempt to keep the circle of friends tight and the outsiders wishing to get in."

I do not endorse the O.P., but this is a gambling board forum.  You can use it anyway you see fit, with or against the posters and all that.  Please do not turn it into a wrestling ground, a boxing ring or a one-way avenue for a private agenda while trashing and chastising those you do not agree with for whatever reason. 

Thanks, Glen.

It is not just gambling/casino, IMO.  It is many things in life, many, countless.

I have posted pictures and a few stories about my business I am currently in, the hazardous material clean up emergency response business that is.  You know, i read your post(s), I think back and I compare, and compare, and compare, and compare. 

I deal with state police officers, county sheriff's, sometimes city police officers, private business owners of properties where a truck spilled something at, etc., etc.  The higher the person's apparent intelligence, education, standing, etc., and all that--generally the more of a challenge I have when I first roll up on the scene. 

Now, the state, the department of transportation, the fire departments, etc., do not clean up hazardous, toxic or spilled property from trucks and trains, they might mitigate a bit or more often than not, just stand by and offer defense and protection in case of fire and/or disaster.  Okay with that said, like I said, more often than not, the higher the education and intelligence level of a person at the site, the tougher my job becomes. 

I simply love it when it goes the way it is supposed to go, "Okay Glen is here, you need anything Glen?, if not you got the scene and I am out of here, thanks bye".  It always comes to that anyway, seriously, but it is the drama and the chest pumps and the crotch grabbing that is so damn ugly and so common, more and more so these days than ever before. 

Can you relate all that to the casino and to the new versus the experienced players?  As well, to the forum members?  I certainly can!

BlueANgel, you are 99% to 101% correct in everything you said.

How about, if you want to be here and participate, engage and expand and put some effort, time and thought into it all with real honest and goodness intentions, do it and make it a better/best message board forum around?

You know I did allow Mark/Gizmo to at least present his school/teaching/tutoring, etc., I did not endorse it or disallow it.  I allowed it because he was a known member here for some time and I respected him as that, not as a teacher or profit maker. 

I respect you, Jimske, Vic, esoito, Asymbac, Ted009, Lungyeh, Kimo, 8or9, many many others and there is a handful that I despise--as you and many know.  The handful I despise are those that engage in repetitive one-liners, drama only, berating and humiliating known or unknown members and attempting to control and take charge of the website and its aura and personalty turning it into their own playground.  Etc., etc. 

I have lots of special and unique things and along with Vic's help and cooperation, they might come to fruition.  I personally do not see a site that has a monthly membership for the sole reason to have iron gates around it and the premise, if you pay to join you will share among all of the smartest and most successful gamblers in the world, etc., etc. etc., or anything along those lines.  Although, that is very attractive as a simple sales tool but will only work with the newest of the new gamblers and the same types of people that walk into a casino with limited experience, win the first night and their eyes become twice as large and the saliva is dripping down their chin from their insane luck they are experiencing with no background or knowledge as to what will soon happen. 

If someone wants to hang on the corner with a group of the so called, "cool kids" like we all used to know in grade school, you know those kids with the t shirts with the rolled up sleeves, smoking cigarettes, drinking a coke, talking about all the girls they had sex with that they never really did, etc., and then they wait for the teacher's pet, that one really smart kid that puts his heart and soul into his school work and his family life to come walking down the street so they can pick on him, throw things at him and tease him..............................okay you get the picture what I am trying to say.  The same things kind of happens on the internet within the message boards.  Maybe a way to view BetSelection is that we are mostly the teacher's pets and really trying to excel, share, learn and extend friendship and the others are well, part of those elite little circle of friends that live for drama without meaning? 

Actually you can do something about that theory of passing away.

My 6 year old said a few months, "We are no longer celebrating your birthday any longer".  I said, "Okay, why is that"?  He said, "Because I figured out, that if we stop having birthdays for you than you will never pass away, and I don't want you to leave me".

So hey esoito, no more birthdays for you either, Vic too. 

You belong where you truly want to be and share, discuss, post, engage and talk with those that you enjoy doing same with.

This is a base, use it the way you see fit.  If you are really what you believe you are about, people like you will make or break this place into better or worse. 

Positive, constructive, non tormenting, nurturing and offering assistance to those that might be around and seeking same is the ultimate and best type of forum, IMO. 

If you truly have something, put extra cherries and some other tastes in that pie, offer some napkins and let's go.  If not, try Gamblersforum or BTC or one of the many others.   

You are correct again in many points.  You should join and continue at BTC or the likes of that forum.  You are above the level of all here and you will not share, yes I understand. 

You are correct to a certain point.  Yes. 

However, there are various kinds of forums on today's internet.

1) A for pay only entrance type of site, meaning a closed and private site that 'is what it is' in the realism of those words.  BTC would be an example of that;

2) Then there are the very large free for all with 30 to 50 active rooms/departments going on in all directions, such as: VMB and WOV as well as numerous other ones of smaller membership.  Bear in mind, most all the content is consumerish (IMO and reality) of course others might and will challenge that last statement I am sure;

3)  Then there are a few small specialized ones, such as our here, BetSelection.  The theory was no advertising, members police themselves, more technical and BLOGS from its members and a few other casino related rooms/areas. 

For sake of space and clarity, I will limited by outline to those 3 areas above.  Myself, I have been around casinos and gambling for 35 years or so and have countless family members employed within the casino industry in Atlantic City, Las Vegas and the Midwest Region of the USA. 

I don't know everything about gaming, but I will boast and I will state I know a heck of a lot, let's just say more than many and not as much as everyone.  I found a home here on BetSelection and have left a couple of times, caused problems to defend my point/feelings, etc.  I was on VMB and WOV for a few years a while back, but nothing except drama, consumerish stuff and lots of sheer ego and chest pumping with whom is best liked or most hated, IMO and in 90%-98% reality. 

As far as the small town relation you outlined, I live in the Midwest at the moment and in an extremely small town and I have spent decades in New York City/Metro New Jersey before.  Both have pros and cons as far as sharing, advantages and different societal communities.  Some find New York City friendlier and more quaint then a rural Midwest town of say 1,000 people with all those little business in its downtown section.  Some would say just the opposite as well.  IMO, there is no winner, it is just preference.

As far as the board here, IMO once again, I believe we have a great board with the premises, smaller is better without all the gibberish and drama and worthless advertising.  We had lots more traffic but it was among about 5 or 6 people with an exclusive circle of about 10 or so members that attempted to rule, over take and control the board with one-liners, strong handed acceptance tactics, double talk and if it is not my way I will tell everyone to leave, etc., type of postings.  If you want those people, to the best of my knowledge they are all over at a forum called Gamblersforum, the small group was banned from here but recently almost all of them were allowed back, some post and some do not. 

I believe I attempted to really accomplish what you might have in mind regarding roulette play at B&M casinos, but for the game of baccarat.

Myself, I truly do welcome all types form all walks of life.  But I subscribe to that Barnes and Noble Bookstore mentality for the shopper.  Which is, browse, read and enjoy.  But, if you don't like something, set it down, move on and as you would in Barnes and Noble, no need to write, post and bother that author relentlessly and make your point over his, as no one made you pick up and read his book, waste your time and waste your money.  Same here.  Just other places that last scenario is what they really live each day to do, enter the ring, chastise, humiliate, call names and attempt to keep the circle of friends tight and the outsiders wishing to get in.   

However, if you do have a great cherry pie and are looking to share it, maybe you would like to get some of a super fantastic peach pie or a KimChi-Bulgogi knock your socks off pizza or perhaps a mouth watering special PHO soup with some killer meatball stuffed fresh spring rolls???