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#1426
"The inherently unknowable nature of reality can be a tough pill to swallow, at least initially. It can send you down the rabbit hole and back many times. But the more you surrender to this simple truth, the more wondrous reality can become."

TO ME, THAT SENTENCE HAS GREAT VALUE!  Here is the rest of it that Gizmo inspired m finish early this morning:

Either you play for what the statistical results say which, there is no way to have a definitive appearing schedule of results and in proper order to follow.  When you play that way you will be playing for a few units here and there, as your mind-frame will not allow you to follow streaks, chops, patterns/trends or anything of the like. 

I am sorry, I have played for decades and I have encountered every kind of player's mind frame, the above statistical and mathematical beliefs will reappear in their exact order as reported or translates from the long run to the 1 or 3 or 5 shoe session the player is sitting in front of.  Those will argue until their death, which the results have to appear because they play so much and so long that the 51% to 70% something, always comes about in their multi sessions and thus, 1% to 20 something percent is their claimed profit.  Their bankrolls have to be huge IMO and experience and their profits if they religiously live in the casino and gamble everyday are very minimal.  Again, IMO experience and extensive exposure to casino management within and outside of my immediate family. 

Oh yeah, and by the way give your reasoning how Don Johnson and Phil Ivey and all the rest of the great wins by famous or infamous gamblers are all based on math, statisticals and their special knowledge of mathematical secrets!  It makes great press copy in the media and gives them something to say, rather than, just hit a great streak, saw the opportunity because of so and so, and ride it until I started to fall off, etc.  They say, they accomplished it because of learning the wizard's or the doctor's classroom teaching through years and years of study, I applied the math and I profited last night by millions of dollars, etc.  Here is the absolute truth to those people and their opportunities that they captured and exploited.  Opps, I just said the reason!  Anyway, if they really had that holy-grail through math and stats, they would apply it every day or once a week and win that same huge amount or greater amounts over and over.  Sorry that statement I just wrote is concrete reality, but go ahead and change it. 

Their beliefs are the same as almost any industry that has rules, regulations and guidelines for deployment of most anything.  There is classroom and there is reality and real-life situations.  I have cited plenty within my writings on this board.  One-Size does not, cannot and will never fit all!!   But it makes for others to have a daily say so without producing anything in their behalf except their continued and repeated words without, proof, pictures, W-2's, Win-Losses, something anything, but continually nothing.  They will only cite their fear of getting banned from a game that the casino never bans anyone from unless they are cheating, bothering players after being warned or some other wrong doing--but never ever for winning too much, never. 

Can their system work?  Sure.  IMO, less than the proper way to play the game in real life.  In the classroom and on the calculator, they win.  But in real-life they lose or push at best.  And they seldom if ever, claim in their opinion, or their experiences, or anything of the like.  What they cite, claim and will die by, is their statistics, math, charts, graphs, books, calculations and textbook reasoning, that their way is scientific, backed up by concrete and solid mathematical findings, etc., etc., and blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda. 

But as I said above, if you do deploy that type of relationship to wagering, you cannot deviate to anything else at the table.  Then you fail to follow your method and believes.  No matter what!  That is the kicker.  It would be the same as saying safe sex for my entire life, except with so and so because I know she is 100% clean and drug/disease free and never has any other relationship outside of my occasional fling with her.  No different, I am sorry, but exactly the same.

The issue of subjective and objective comes up here to really understand how a player's mind enters and goes along with his decision making process.  But that gets a bit complicated and off-track of gambling itself.  If you do not understand some basic psychology, you cannot and will not understand how you are influenced by problems, results, positive reinforcement or false positive reinforcement in gambling and baccarat. 

Or, you play the game of baccarat prepared for the risk of loss in the attempt to match the shoe presentments which do, can and will frequently come in larger 'waves' than those of attempting the match up of the classroom and math stats that provide false positives thus disallowing you to profit extremely well on those same 'waves' of streaks, chops, patterns/trends and other presentments that are in contradictory to their 1% to 20 something percent repeating statistics that will only come in units of singular to few, with far less frequency than the 'reality of real-life shoe presentments', that are actually contained within their own mathematical and statistical testing--just that they view those very same presentments as 'nonexistent' and they are unable to capitalize on them.  Bottom line is, even with a statistic found with an 80% return rate, the shoes ran will have to be a minimum of a 10 million shoes series test.  That person has the false positive reinforcement that they will win 80% of the time if they play long enough.  But as I have always said, they cannot play the entire series in one continuous session which blows their win/prevailing statisticals out of the water.  They contend, does not matter how many sessions or how long they play, they count on their concurrent play status to provide them with profit, not an individual session.  Okay, fine, but they fail to actually recognize, they may actually be always playing during that 2,000,000 shoes 'section' of the stats that produced the 20% loss with the rejection of their 80% hit rate of that certain thing/wager.  Hence, a false positive.  False positives produces losses.  Period. 

Here is one of the few papers in part, I saved from my college days.  I do believe it applies to baccarat and the player's vision and mind-frame as I have so often mentioned.  Sadly, many players do not venture past the score board or score card in figuring anything out that might help them with their decisions and play time.

"Any event that you can describe objectively will have an equivalent subjective explanation, and vice versa. It is similar to viewing the world through your left eye vs. your right eye. Your eyes don't contradict each other; they just see every scene from different perspectives.

If you will never know whether you are living in an objective or subjective reality, it is foolish to assume that you are living in one or the other since you would only be guessing, and you could be very wrong. There is no evidence-based way to know the truth. This is not a problem that any level of science or philosophy can ever hope to resolve. The truth is simply unknowable, and it always will be. No conscious being, no matter how powerful and aware, will ever be able to know the true nature of the reality which contains it.

Hence it makes sense to live in alignment with both possibilities. View your key decisions in life through both lenses, and lean towards deciding based on the combined perspective of stereo vision. Do not limit yourself to one perspective or the other. Learn to integrate both.

When you stray too far into one perspective or another, making decisions from only one perspective in such a way that those same decisions would seem irrational when considered through the opposite lens, you are at risk of making serious errors. You could be basing those decisions on completely erroneous assumptions about how reality actually works, and hence you are at risk of experiencing massive failure with such a mono-lens approach unless you happen to guess right and be perfectly consistent.

It is possible to make decisions using both lenses. I have been using this approach for years, and it has produced a wonderful flow in my life when I am consistent about it. It is similar to enjoying a meal that stimulates all of your senses simultaneously, in other words, a symphony of input.

The inherently unknowable nature of reality can be a tough pill to swallow, at least initially. It can send you down the rabbit hole and back many times. But the more you surrender to this simple truth, the more wondrous reality can become."


#1427
Sat down with H-money before for a few hours and finally got into his brain and got it straight from the gambler about how he views lost money and win money.  All I can say is very interesting, very very interesting.
#1428
AsymBacGuy / Re: Baccarat unbeatable plan #2
May 10, 2018, 11:52:14 AM
Quote from: Lugi on May 10, 2018, 08:50:36 AM
Basically we went from this;

Which then conveniently morphs into;

Mind boggling, a classic example of obfuscation.

I tend not to engage people at the casino, as you don't know what you are walking into.    People that have responsible careers, but when it comes to gambling!!   I've had the pain of enduring all kinds of weird sh*t.    Casino can change the order of the cards in the shoe, nobody knows what the angel machine is capable of with the eye in the sky.   "I'm the best player there is, but short of cash at this minute".   

Giving up your time, sanity and personal space to listen to some brain malfunction fuzzy logic, then when you explain, what it is they are telling you makes little sense.   The defend by reminding you, how they once won 95% of their bets placed in a shoe once.  Which in hindsight simply reinforced the delusional way of thinking, if it ever happened at all.  I shudder, even angry when people spin such baloney in my direction, who has time, or wants to hear that?   When you start to straighten the creased wires, expose the disillusionment, more is simply thrown on top. 

One wonders how on earth do such folk function on a daily basis?  Of course some don't, if you exclude hanging out of gambling joints.   Then you figure, it's simply not worth the effort thinking about, a no win situation, no need to understand, I've unfortunately already encountered it all in the real world.  The cognitive dissonance of the OP is breathtaking.

Have a good day Gentlemen

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#1429
AsymBacGuy / Re: Baccarat unbeatable plan #2
May 09, 2018, 06:27:49 PM
ASYM:

You said; "I was referring to the asymmetrical/symmetrical hands distribution with its deviations, an additional tool that IMO helps a lot."

Which is absolutely spot-on in baccarat as well as many aspects of even scientific method and published protocols of countless things.  Not just gambling.  That is where, IMO and only IMO, so many go wrong!

In my hazardous materials spill release remediation business, the state as well as the EPA has published rules and regulations as well as protocols, but the problem to the definitive mind is the addition of the four words always added, "May or May Not".  However, there is something called, "Lack of Receptors" which have variables and unknowns for 'Consideration" as well as "Exposure and Pathways".  One has to 'risk analysis the end points' taking into consideration the 'point source' and what spill released as well as the exposure, etc.  There is no science to the science that has to be applied and valued.  6 different people doing this, might get 6 different answers and outcomes and then maybe again, all 6 might very well agree, doubtful--but possible.

I could be on a job and a state official pulls up and tells me I have to do 'such and such' because  of his opinion of 'receptors' and you could be on the exact same job across the other side of the highway and be told an entirely opposite thing involving the same exact released product, terrain and pathways present.  Does it mean the decision I received was wrong or your was? 

No different in baccarat. "The consideration of termination or continuance would have to be justified by the likelihood of the outcome".  And such as with environmental matters, although there is science involved to the max, statistic's are not used in the absolute valuation of specific matters unless it involves a definitive set of conditions that would be rock-solid and no variance or deviations were able to occur.

Go figure.
#1430
Now, I tell him my feelings with brutal honesty and trying to make him stop believing the other arm-chair quarter backers at the table.  He sees these people (all Asians) win $5,000 or $10,000 in a couple/few wagers and then they try to bang the casino--hard and fast and they all lose, every single one of them.  Why?  Because they do not know when or how to leave, NONE of them.  Even if they do that night, they run back the next day, play larger and harder and larger and harder, continually.  Never learn-NEVER NEVER EVER.  No resetting, refreshing, no paying bills, no saving, no making gambling pay off, buy-in, win, win and leave and then give it all back and continue the buy ins.  Win at the casino and play and play and play and play until they lose it all, could be 2 hours, 6 hours, all night or a two day continuous stretch.  It is the same all the time with them all.  Never leave until broke or completely out of available funds.  Hundreds and hundreds and thousands of them.  98% Asians.  I am not biased or raciest, my wife and kids or Asian or mixed, but they suck at gambling, BAD! 

They win enough to buy a brand new Hyundai Sonata or a Honda Accord but they won't go buy one, they are shooting for that Maserati or Porsche, etc.  LOL!  It is comical.  I tell it to their faces and the dealers and floor people crack up laughing and say, "the white guy is right--but you guys don't listen', just the same.  Same as H-Money, same way 110%!  They all have these great dreams and in their minds they are all going to win millions and millions to fund their new luxurious lifestyle. 

Buy in with $1,500.00, win $10,000.00.  Stop, go back down to $1,000.00 or $1,500.00 buy in and forget about the $10k.  Spend it,do  not bank roll it and play at levels that only fuel your senseless and fallacy dreams.  Reset and Refresh, not meaning to take your win and take a break and come back in 30 mins and continue playing.  Completely wrong.  Your mind cannot operate that way.  In theory sure--not in reality.  Sorry math and statistical model guys, not the way it works in a casino.


Here are a few more texts from an hour ago. 

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#1431
Too tired to go to the casino and concentrate, Long Weekend up in the Twin Cities just decided to come home and cook a pizza and put some great toppings on it and I'm going to post some texts from my buddy that are really sad and gut-wrenching and I don't think I'm going to give him any more advice cause I'm at wit's end and he does not listen! This has been going on for a couple months as y'all know. I've got other issues to worry about and I gave him too much energy and he's taking away too much from me and I heard that he lost$34,000 total so it would have been $25,000 win money $4,000 from the sister and I guess the $34,000 means he borrowed $5,000 from someone else he knows. A lot of people he knows are all the business people and he hasn't been gambling a long time so they don't know what's going on when he borrows the money.  But anyway that's the rest of the story, I'm going to post the 3 texts soon as I figure out how to send it from my cell phone to my tablet.

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I cut the second picture with the text that he sent me it says, " the reason I buy in I lose wants to get the money back".
#1432
Yes most certainly that is correct. And when you can see extreme value for low-risk and you see it there in front of you as you said it's much easier to walk away with something substantial then sit there and push it back and forth and get sucked in the volatility of the banker player if you didn't start winning and keep winning.
#1433
I'm on the way back and I'm gonna stop at the casino and play and then go home and open the  business in the morning and hopefully I win some tonight. probably play one shoe.  Had a nice bowl of PHO atmy wife's restaurant she gave me a nice bag of food to go for the road and on the interstate now

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#1434
He still will not listen, some people are telling him how much he can win and he can get it all back and all he has to do is play.  They are wrong and dead wrong.  Play and play and play and go everyday, is disaster to the max!  Here are the texts I received last night up to 4AM.

Not pretty.  All his win money is gone.  He will not, as most people, take his win money and pay bills, save it and allocate to anything--only icnreases his bank roll with a combat mission to smack the casino for millions.  OMG, same as we did in the 1980's in Atlantic City!

$25,000.00. Plus  $4,000.00 he borrowed from his sister.  Screw it.  Worse than arguing with a drug addict! 


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#1435
AsymBacGuy / Re: Baccarat unbeatable plan #2
May 08, 2018, 11:50:13 AM
The shoe with 49 hands that was posted (missing the last 30 maybe? or ties and missing some?) anyway, I love a 20 to a 7 case sernario in the first 27 hands, wow.  And like I said in other posts, players are strong in the beginning much higher than 50% of the time.
#1436
AsymBacGuy / Re: Baccarat unbeatable plan #2
May 08, 2018, 11:25:24 AM
Quote from: Lugi on May 08, 2018, 09:42:30 AM
Asym'

Here is a 'real' shoe I encountered 24 hrs ago, it is not rare by any standard. 

P Dominated shoes happen a lot, shoe after shoe after shoe, to the degree, makes one wonders if the deck composition is true in order to trip up the Chinese players who the majority bet Banker.  Yet it is, just one of those thing.

Applying your method as I understand it;

PPP (LL)
B
PPPP (LL)
BB
PPPPP (LL)
BBB
P (W)
B
PPPPPPP (LL)
BB
P (W)
B
PP (LW)
BBBB
P (W)
BB
P (W)
BBBB
PPPP (LL)

So the LW string runs;  LLLLLL W LL W LW W W LL = 5W''s vs 11L's


It is easy in hindsight to state, a negative progression (maybe) would be cleared.  What about the mental pressure of really losing 6 bets in a row while actually at the table while watching your chip stack deplete.

Losing 6 bets in a row, then having to place that 7th bet, without knowing if you are going to win the bet, experiencing the mental pressure, will the pain continue?   In this game, anything can and will happen. 

IMO the player can't / shouldn't bet aggressively, because quiet simply "you just never know".  Sure in the shoe above, the 7th bet was won, it could equally been another loss. 

When you can encounter a ratio of 5 vs 11 (31% strike rate), which has the potential to get even worst, one wonders, "is there anything better I could be doing'?  As eluded by BA, wait for 3 or 4 Players then take 2 bites only at betting the cut.

You mention "rare event", what is this rare event?  Did I bet too early, if I made a mistake with my understanding of your strategy by all means correct me.








Many things people come on the board and say are 'real' happenings/events and shoes, have also been posted by myself with fantastic and repeatitive wins.  I have found numerous events that happen with great repeatitvness, not that they are guaranteed by any 100% means, but they happen when I play more than 6 times easily out of 10. 

This is just one of the things I have written and posted.  There are actuallhy a total of approx. 60 events that are pretty common in Bac, IMO. 

"Players Side Repeating Within Beginning/First Section.  Players repeating hands in any form of clusters have a frequent tendency to appear within the beginning of the shoe, in the first section.  Meaning, 3 + Players with a frequent 1, sometimes 2 Bankers and each time the winning hand is Players it repeats with 3 + occurrences.  This kind of section is frequently followed by a section of 1's and 2's in various configurations when the first section losses its Player dominance stance, frequently around the 15-19th hands. Players Side Repeating Within Beginning/First Section.  Players repeating hands in any form of clusters have a frequent tendency to appear within the beginning of the shoe, in the first section.  Meaning, 3 + Players with a frequent 1, sometimes 2 Bankers and each time the winning hand is Players it repeats with 3 + occurrences.  This kind of section is frequently followed by a section of 1's and 2's in various configurations when the first section losses its Player dominance stance, frequently around the 15-19th hands."

I was at the casino the other day and 2 out of 3 shoes were all players in the first 18 or so hands with only 1 Banker each time up on the Big Road and then right back to players with almost every 3rd card for the players adding and every third card for the banker reducing.  Sorry, go ahead and blast me.   



#1437
Quote from: AsymBacGuy on May 07, 2018, 10:35:34 PM
I think he was unlucky to be lucky with those 200:1 shots.

It's quite simple to understand that B/P hands cannot be beaten so easily (or nothing at all), however side bets seem to be fantastic to recover losses or to make fair profits, unfortunately in the wrong hands they lead to disaster more rapidly.

I observed in Vegas that many former huge B/P bettors now prefer to make progressions on side bets. Many of them quit the game after hitting one.

I remember a regular middle age asian woman hitting a F-7 for $800 then leaving the table but making the huge mistake to observe the table and not to go home.

Next hands of the shoe produced the like of 5-6 panda bets and a couple more of F-7s.

She was cursing and cursing and so disturbed to make a second error, that is to join the closest table where a new shoe was ready to be dealt.

Naturally no one side bet came, and no one side bet came on the very next shoe.

as.

Side Wagers is a love-hate relationship as you are totally correct and accurate it can come really quick in the beginning or it won't come at all and you keep attempting and losing your Buy in. The way that I learned how to do it that has benefited me well and a bunch of players is to win some money and set it aside and try for 60 or 70% of the shoe if it did not produce them in the beginning and try the last half or two-thirds of the shoe with the side Wagers. However I like a lot of the side Wagers in the very beginning but if it's the first shoe it's going to be money out of my bank roll or my buy in of course and I'm risking that to make some quick money with the large return on the side Wagers.

As far as the 200:1 for $10.00  it only takes $800 to cover the whole shoe or five or six hundred dollars to cover a portion of it if it didn't come out and I really think with since I've been watching it for several months once a shoe or once or twice every couple two three shoes is about the average. I would say out of the last 10 sessions that I have been watching it I would say four five of the sessions produced One every other shoe at the very least and the other five sessions I would say three of those produced two within 3 shoes and possibly one or two shoes without any. I have seen two or three within one shoe and then again I seen one or two or three shoes without any those 10 sessions I would say would be within 3 weeks with those 10 trips. Even before they started the bad beat Baccarat where it's grab the attention of a lot of people the three card eight and three card 9 in the same hand as always wows players cause it's one of those hands that stick out like a sore thumb. It comes frequently and than other times you might not see it.  But it is most definitely a wager that numerous shoes do not go by without seeing it at least once.
#1438
The most was one busy weekend and it was seven consecutive shoes at one table without a single Fortune 7 and the 8th  shoe one came.  The ninth shoe had none and then it went back to two threes and fours as a norm. Panda 8s I think I've seen one shoe possibly two or it was at the end of the second shoe. I've never seen two complete shoes without a panda 8. I've written about this in detail before I've seen plenty of times one shoe without or two shoes.  I don't think I've ever seen 3 without as a frequency as a frequent event. But the most at one time was 7 without and it was at the very end of the 8th one again, that's an infrequent happening for numerous hours at the same table.
#1439
H-Money just called me and he went to the casino today again.  Started to win and then he lost and continued losing for the majority of the day and kept buying in and buying in repeatedly. Told me he could not stop, losing $16,000.00.  Sad, very sad IMO........ :nope:
#1440
H-Money called me early this morning at 4am and told me he went to the casino yesterday afternoon.  I left the area to go tot he Twin Cities for the weekend until Tuesady and he told me he would not go back until next week.  He won right at $15k in the two shoes we played Friday night and although he is a pretty good player all around, he totally losses it when he wins or losses.  He does not have the willpower or the knowledge or experience to foster his beliefs when you win, it does not always repeat itself and win you loss, your mind changes and your focus and vision or terriably compromised most times.

However, he did win agian and this time was just over $10,000,00 in 3 shoes.  Most of his win was supported by the 3-card 8/9, 200:1 wager with $10.00 on his spot and another spot he was wagering with another player that was not covering it. 

We both tried for it for an entire shoe Friday night and did not get it.  Had to at least set aside $600-$700 to cover that 200:1 wager from the 15th hand on or so Friday.  Never came.  The 2nd shoe we played it came on the 16th hand I beleive it was.  Both of us did not have it on.  I have said in the past, I do believe this is a great wager, if you can fund it with other win money.  But to sit there and wager it, every single hand, I think that is a bad decision to do on a constant basis. 

Anyway, yesterday he hit it 2 times in one shoe and once in the following shoe.  He got up to a bit over $12k and gacve back a little less than $2k and said, he saw the shoe changing and his emotions kicking in.  He told me that and then he left.  So, maybe....just maybe....witht he $25k back now, he is starting to understand. sections and the risk of smaller amounts and if it did not turn anything, forget the battle until all hell breaks loose with total devestation or some kind of substanitial win. 

As well, I has 2 dealers that also play the game when they are not working in another casino, and there likings have shown the 'any 8/7' is a decent wager for 25:1.  I did see that alot the other day and just about always.  To me, it does appear on a more frequent basis than the Panda 8 does.

P.S.:  Here let me answer the 3 to 5 members in advance to save them their time in asking ans stating.  No, we have no math or statiscial calculations and all that for anything I said.  I am merely posting our reality and results from real-life casino play of the game of baccarat.