Bringing up old posts on our board or importing other board?s post(s), references and links.

Reference:  Drama posts, personal opinions & feelings, views on other members here or members of other boards and previous members as well, and writings written by BetSelection members or staff at any time on any board, etc. 

There will not be and cannot be the continued bringing up, referencing and creating drama with old posts and threads on our board here, as well as other boards.  Defined:  Do not reference any one on our board with what they wrote on another board or anywhere else for that matter.

Do not do it.  Simple.  Period. If you are a well-known and established member here, there will be one warning and a deletion to the post made.  If you are not well known and established, there might not be any warning. 

Reference ?other boards?.  I am well aware what happens on some of them and others, I have no idea whatsoever.  I belong to two of the other boards and rarely post on them.  I have been on a few of the larger boards and I have been banned.  All the bans I brought on myself and most of them I squared off on the owners or admin?s, so what?  Big deal.  History.  I don?t care. 

But one thing, from this point on.  On BetSelection, if anyone brings up, makes reference to, copy & paste, links to---any other board with a derogatory, negative, drama seeking post that anyone made here on BetSelection elsewhere, it will be deleted.  Simple, don?t do it. 

As far as posting, referencing or linking to a positive, constructive and non-personal agenda on another board within your posting here on BetSelection, I don?t see anything wrong with it. 

One more thing.  I generally do not care what is said on the other boards.  However, read this carefully and understand it.  If you have a question or it is not clear, ask.  If you are going to post on BetSelection and be a ?regular? or a ?known member?, etc., I do not feel it is proper to regularly and with vengeance bring our business, postings and our content onto other boards for the sole purpose to demean, chastise, humiliate or belittle our BetSelection members or staff here.  If you are referencing something that was said and using, that in a decent conversation and defense of something on another board, sure?no problems.  If you are going to be on BetSelection and consistently cut & paste, reference and regularly engage in detailed threads and conversations on the other boards about the content here, that is wrong.  The content on BetSelection, once posted, is the property of the board.  It stays on the board.  If you want to cut & paste and engage in detailed conversations with only drama and so-called investigative journalism of some weird style, don?t attempt to continue as a regular and a well-known member in good standing on this board. 

While, I do not and will not patrol the other boards, I guarantee you someone will email or PM me with the more flagrant violations of what I just said.  Stop the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde type of board personalities as well.  Talk about gambling, wagering, casinos and anything else within your life.  Leave the other boards and their members out of BetSelection.  We are not a wrestling arena with BetSelection involved or its members to hash over and wrestle regarding the other board's members or their problems or a dislike you might have regarding anyone posting anything.   

As Esoito said:  ?In summary, if you don't approve that's fine. Just don't keep needling and banging the same drum.  Membership here is not compulsory. Acceptable behavior is.?

Thank You.  Glen.

A quote from the sports-gambler, Harry Findlay:

"There are three things people have to understand: a) You can get on; b) You get value; c) You get confidence.  And no matter what you do in life, confidence is the number one.  Say one fellow bets 20-1 shots.  After 20 loses, he backs a winner, and he's level.  Another fellow's betting evens.  After 10 winners and 10 losers he's level.  They've both got the same money, but he's been right 10 times.  Who's going to have more confidence? But nobody talks about confidence, the mental instabilities involved in gambling.  And that's what it's all about.  Its all about how you perform under pressure, how you perform when it all goes wrong."


And, I say he is 100% spot-on, no doubt, great fuel for anyone's performance and endeavors at the tables! 

Here is a link to a newspaper article about the 'professional sports gambler':

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/13/harry-findlay-the-dog-professional-punter-gambler-train-fare-mum

It appears he is quite popular within the world of sports betting and well-known.  I read a little of his stuff and articles about him, interesting from a casino player's point of view, although I am not a regular sports-wagering type of person. 

I like the quote, fits in perfectly!  I have called the same thing, 'Frame-of-Mind' and also, 'Vision'.  IMO, there is a lot to the above quote and it is key to understanding your emotional, knowledge, experience and everything else I have taken the time and effort to detail with my previous writings on BetSelection.

It fits, fits well and best of all--it is REALITY.

Gizmo,

I wrote this back just about 1 year ago.

Grabbing the gold nuggets??  Read it, fits in with the math thing, no??

Played there frequently, although my X-wife's friends and many of the NYC crowd had the Trump Taj as their main casino hangout in Atlantic City, I was more of a south-end strip player, with Bally's Grand as my main property.  My cousin, as I mentioned before on the board, worked for Donald Trump for 21 years in Atlantic City and now semi-retired, ill works in A.C.. 

I have the original book the got Donald Trump the Junk Bonds and other funding he needed to build the Taj Casino as well as a silver and gold belt buckle from 1993 given to me by Donald Trump at the Taj. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQqxQ368Eqk

In the later days of playing at Atlantic City, more so than the earlier ones in the 80's and the 90's, we used to always eat at Robert's Steakhouse which was at the Trump Taj Casino.  I found a light-up pen last night, we got in the restaurant one night that the staff used to use.  Many a nights playing baccarat at the large 14 player/3 dealer tables at the Taj with this one and yes, the blue light was glowing--especially when I was winning, LOL.  Great days!

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And last week I saw just that.  It was either zero ties out or 1 and it was around hand 35 or so.  Three ties, back to back.  Then no more for quite some time.  The couple of players that hit 2 of them, neither one wagered for the 3rd of course.  Then they gave it all back attempting more.  To me, after all these years of playing, ties is the absolute most elusive thing to myself. 

After thinking about it, I would say overall, I think there are more with 4 cards out there and with 6, then with 5.  But, isn't there more hands total with 4 or 6 cards drawn rather than with 5?  And of course, there is no way to count or know or feel, if it is going to be a 4-5 or 6 card draw of course.

Ties are a weird animal.  I have seen many regualr players I play with at the tables, repeatedly hit them like clockwork.  I really have never been a heavy tie player by any means.  At times, might give it shot, more so---when there are 0-2 or 0-3 ties after a good 25-40 hands or so. 

As we all know, a good mean average for ties is at the 7 to 12 mark, but like F-7's, runs of 6 or more, long sections of chop or doubles, etc., they might not come or they might very well exceed the expectation or averages.

With that said, I found the tie wager to be the most frustrating thing in bac, than anything else.  I strictly limit my exposure to it, if there is an extremely low tie count like I said and I am doing well with win rate, at the same I might give it a shot. 

If I am understanding what you are saying in your post, I can't quite agree on the number of cards drawn in the hands theory.  I do agree on the low to no ties after a decent amount of hands without, yes.  As far as the number of cards drawn, I think it averages out with 4 card ties, 5 card ties or 6 card ties.  Maybe not for the shoes within a session, but that goes for anything else as well, naturals cutting to the other side, or every natural resulting in a side wager prevailing after, or a strong section of 1's and 2's followed by a great streak, etc.  Meaning, it 'did it' that shoe and the player expects the up coming presentments to follow, etc.

My real problem with the tie wager, is the 'few' units you get back as compared to the other side wagers ranging from 25 to 1 up to 200 to 1.  Whereas, if you narrow it down and play the side wagers for a limited amount of time and do hit one or two of them, the return is pretty good.  As compared to the tie wager of 8 to 1 or 9 for 1, unless you are at the new Bad Beat tables then the 6/6 or 7/7 or any 6/6--7/7 ties will pay either 20 or 40 to 1.  However, the 8 to 1, doesn't leave much of a profit unless you hit it real quick, etc.  Usually most players will end up giving it back or barely recouping what they already won off of other wagers, etc

Tell it the way it is! 

Gotta love the character she portrays in the movie, The Heat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J2zwmT7M-0

Yes sir, spot on.

When it's there it's there and like I have shown in pictures and tried to explain, I profited extremely well and when I control my buy ins and my risk capital and when I replace losses right away, it works!   Take out the wins and exclude those from your current or future play, large profits are possible.

Quote from Mike:  "It probably would't work in the USA because you don't have bookies there, and you have to understand how bookies operate in order to beat them at their own game".

I don't know Mike, when I lived in the northeast prior to 2002, the bookies were mostly based on Staten Island and came every Tuesday to collect if their customer/bettor lost and returned every Thursday with the winnings.  Might be different now, but that is the way it was 15 years ago and was for quite some time. 

As far as understanding how they operate/operated, I guess I could have asked my partner in the business I was in at the time, but I did pretty well on college and NFL and some basketball before I stopped wagering on sports.   The other half of my partner's family was the 'bookies'.  But, as you said, the USA doesn't have any bookies, etc.  Okay.

I guess the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Southern District and Eastern District of New York as well as California districts, thinks different as well?

http://www.waterfrontcommission.org/newspage91.html

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr/illegal-sports-bookmaker-sentenced-conspiring-commit-sports-bribery-0

https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdca/pr/fourteen-men-charged-illegal-gambling-operation-based-out-lucky-lady-casino-and-card

https://www.nytimes.com/1984/01/22/nyregion/illegal-sports-betting-called-growing-and-intractable-problem-in-new-york.html

https://www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices/sandiego/news/press-releases/twenty-five-people-charged-as-members-of-10-million-illegal-gambling-and-money-laundering-operation

Quote from: Gizmotron on June 18, 2018, 03:52:43 PM

.......if my heart gives out.........

Then we will just have to keep you alive! 

What works in profitability for one player might not work for another.  Reason being, the 'other' player will attempt to extract whatever it was that won, but that will generally exclude all the other peripheral and ancillary 'reasonings'/protocols, etc., that allowed or assisted the original player to win.

Other people will come on and say, if 'XYZ' worked for 'so and so', then it has to work for anyone and if does not then it is gambler's fallacy, etc.  And, that is where the controversy starts and expands.

IMO, and that of experience, not anything else and I cannot engage in the mathematical reasoning of it. 

Picking anything for a consistent and repetitive bet wagering selection of any one thing, will the majority of the times, get the player into a loss situation.  Coupled with what most do, flat-betting, negative progression and as well, coupled with, 'scared to wager when winning time comes', (which Lungyeh) defined well sometime ago, will sink the bulk of the gamblers every time.

BetSelection and a more detailed explanation of posting guidelines and the 'aura' of the board:

We do not seek constant 'Needling' and 'Negativity' by members towards other members.  Provoking or annoying someone on a repetitive basis by especially the continual criticism or questioning, taunting, pestering, harassing, prodding, teasing, grouping up of 2-3-4 members and ganging up with the same come back/statement/questions towards another----will not be tolerated, not what we are about and is not what the highest bulk majority of those here seek. 

You can also add, "insinuation by proxy" which for those of you, that say what the heck is that?  Well, that is a slick wording of an insult, the turning around another member's words, or the covert wording of a derogatory and negative statement meant to provoke and prod the others, simple.  Not hard to figure out after a few continually engage with that on a regular and consistent basis. 

No need to taunt, pester, harasses any member here, if you don't enjoy, find interesting, learn and engage with them in a positive or a neutral way, skip their content.  If you disagree, post such and move on.  Do not continue the type of provocation and insulting remarks I mentioned above.  It will not be tolerated.

For those of you that desire to be disrespectful, cuss at and label the Admin/Moderators or Regular and Steady Members, demeaning and negative terms---I suggest you go do it to Keith, Sonya, Mike, or any of the others and see how long you last without a complete ban on their boards, as well as having your IP address blocked from even signing on their websites.

Quote from: esoito on June 16, 2018, 10:46:30 PM
A good question.  I've often wondered about that.

So come on, Mike. Rise to the occasion. It's not like you to remain silent!

Doesn't look like he will answer and he will not lie, as he is an honest poster.   Maybe, just maybe  he will probably come on and invoke the 5th amendment even though he is not from the USA.  That way he doesn't have to lie.   A great way out!

And Mike's 2 buddies here, Jimske and Soxfan we already have their answers, real casinos with huge infinite bankrolls, no details but always win with exact percentiles always quoted and claimed.  No peanuts and warm Irish beer needed, same lines. Same answers!! 

I'm very tempted to go through my phone and post one thread of scoreboards, tables, chips and cash-outs, I don't know why but I love them pictures.

Also, a question for Mike. 

Do you actually gamble in a B&M Casino?

Or, are you a mathematical teacher in a public or private school that is exercising his knoweldge here and attempting to apply it to gambling for the sake of engagement?

As you well know, I am more of a hands on type of guy and I would like to see and hear about some of your actual applications of your math skills and beliefs to casino action, if you actually do engage in that.

Just curious.  Thanks.