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There is a time to win and a time to stop playing.  As well, there is a time not to go to the casino.  I am talking about playing to win and not social or recreational gambling, etc.

You have to be fully conscious, concentrate and have the correct frame-of-mind, in order to have a fair shot against the shoe beating you. 
IMO and experience, it takes a while to understand all of that and have the proper vision to win, that is--when you can win.

Quote from: mb201333 on April 18, 2018, 04:20:31 PM
It has been my experience that the most difficult thing in a casino is to find a way to really and truly reset and clear your mind.  When I am not
at the tables is seems so clear and simple.  Every time I look back and replay in my mind,  I can't believe how easily I let myself be distracted

You are 100% correct, so few will ever realize or come to terms with.  I finally did about 10 years ago, but refine and define continually and I am close to being the 'near perfect' baccarat player.  (Boy, I know that sounds so obnoxious and so over-confident and extremely wrong, but I have really done it). I think, I have only lost control 2 or 3 times in the past several years out of hundreds and hundreds of live casino sessions. 

The only reason I posted about my buddy, was awareness and maybe it can save one person from going the wrong way, that is---the way 99 out of 100 baccarat players really do go.

REALITY----------------REALITY-------------REALITY

H-Money is well over $70.000.00 down on his savings.  It was not a bank roll.  He used to have a set-aside amount, about $5,000.00 for playing, which in all essence was his bank roll, of sorts.  I say of sorts, because he used to do as I do.  Win and replace and use his win money for other things.  Not, having a $100k + bank roll, gamble all the time, live off of it and increase and plateau level climb and all that stuff.  He used to go to the casino once a week, maybe two times, play reasonable, win and leave and replace the buy in, if lose then when he wins--replace, etc.  But he made far greater money--outside the casino in his own small business.  He saved well over $100k the past years.  He somehow--against everything i ever told him, begged him and taught him--used that money as a bankroll with the idea he would double it or triple it, whatever.  He started to loses I tried to outline within this post from his texts and my witnessing as well.  All for your knowledge and info and alerting you guys to what can and will happen with baccarat, etc.

He used his available funds to gamble with to chase his losses with, while he functioned with the wrong, frame-of-mind.  Simple.  Reality. 

Well he is out of control and I am at wits end.  He will not listen and he still talks about getting back his money and even making money from the casino.  He has convinced himself all he needs to do, is not pay attention to anyone, and just bang it out.  Oh well.

Absolutely fantastic I never seen that before that is hilarious.

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Quote from: esoito on April 16, 2018, 01:51:17 AM

Your last sentence is spot-on.  I would say in my own words, sometimes sometimes not or at times it applies and at times it does not.  It all depends on the presentments.

Imo and experience, huge downsides that will drain any common buy in and bankrolls waiting for the pre selected criteria to happen. 

To actually make a profit it doesn't matter if it's ones or one two threes or three two ones or streaks of 6 or 9 or 10 or 15 times repeating at some point you're going to have to take away or add to either side if you're betting both sides in order to make money. Simple, or one cannot turn a profit and start making money. 

You can only win what you lose on the opposite side if the fortune 7 doesn't hit of course, messing up your theory. But like I said, you can only win what you lose on the other side if you do not lessen the side that doesn't win or increase the side that wins, there is no other way to make money.

You can only help to partially insure your original bet, but then again your grinding down very small units that will eventually haunt you most likely.

We have tried numerous variations of this for many years the only thing that works or let me rephrase that, helps keep the player under control is to wager something on the opposite side to help ensure a lesser loss or if it's even money, it will help you stay in the game if you want to bet every hand and then pull off of one side, when something strong comes no matter if its 15 times Chop Chop or if it's a 10 to 15 run Banker or Player and then pull down the opposite side. That is the only way in my experience of 35 plus years of playing but of course I could be totally wrong.

I am working on a detailed article with lots of thoughts and years of experience reaching back and defining 'baccarat emotional intelligence'. Hope to get some input on it, I don't know how much longer before I can start posting it but I'm working on it. Maybe with the blizzard coming this weekend it'll slow things down around here and I'll go get a few hours in on it?

Quote from: Gizmotron on April 12, 2018, 08:53:28 PM

This might fit here: "This is something that someone tried to pass off as real. He said "...but the beginning and the end of a trend is known afterwards." That's a true statement but is not the whole objective truth. The fact is I base all my bet selection options on the middle of a trend, while it is occurring. On each spin I have a 63% chance to win as it is an independent event. Those are the real odds before I get the results. The trend or the very fact that a trend is not occurring are only excuses to make bet selections from. The trend does not make the win/loss, the good/bad streaks occur. Making bets, irregardless of them being good bets or bad bets creates the win/loss record. I just happen to know that I get less back to back losses if I keep track of the randomness characteristics as opposed to just blind guessing. If I take my mind off of the search for trends I get very few win streaks. But that does not matter anyway. The mathBoyz like to think that nobody has control over what happens. I can beat this game with any bet selection technique as long as I keep track of the wL lists. I could just bet on the numbers 1 thru 24 only and make a winning system out of the candlesticks it would produce in a graph. I know when I'm in the middle of a streak. On the next spin I can tell if I'm still in the middle or in fact that the streak ended. Not all streaks end the same too. There are things like domination that are peppered with few losses while still being winning streaks. So it's smart to acknowledge that there are also middles to streaks. It's possible to live in the middle. In my game guesses only have a 37% chance of ending on each independent event. "

Yes Mark, pretty much 'spot-on' more times than not, IMO.  And yes, about the beginning and ending.

I would apply what I wrote about and found more reliable than anything else out there, "Identifiable Events" and apply it along with what you outlined.  But when you feel it is there for whatever reason, that is the time to stick with it, whatever it is doing.  Remove oneself and put yourself into the shoe and tune out the rest of the expert players in their armchair quarterbacking, etc. 

When it happens, what you outlined along with how I transpose myself into a shoe at certain times, those are the times I can rack up those $8k to $20k or better sections of win.  And very possibly I am only comforting myself when I do that, like the other week with the $40k plus win I showed on here for 3 days, but if I don't then all I am doing is sitting there with a bunch of others with their heads in their hands and flipping coins for total chaos. 

You know, I was thinking when someone called me up and talked about meeting somewhere for something in a business partnership.  The conversation goes on about flying or driving, etc.

We started in about airlines, security, etc.  We started talking about the flight itself and years ago how we used to get a full meal in-flight and all that.  Then we talked about the pilot and his announcements.

Why is it they always tell us what altitude we will be flying at?  "We will be climbing to and maintaining 37,500 feet".  Why are they telling us?  Shouldn't the pilots be telling the air control towers?  All i do is sit there and divide 5,280 feet into whatever number he gave us and clalcuate how many miles the fall will be from!

Instead of all that banter about how many feet, what about telling us that you double and triple checked the fuel tanks and they were filled prior to take off?  How about telling us you double checked all the safety stuff and the engines, etc.?

Another thing.  Why does the pilot always say, "This is Captain Joe from the cockpit".  Well, I sure hope you are in the cockpit and not the bathroom or the luggage storage area under the plane!  Why always...."From the cockpit"?

The only other thing about flying and all the worthless announcements, why is it that one side of the plane always gets all the good stuff to look at, "And for those of you on the right side of the plane, we have a fantastic view of ........." etc.,  it always seems the other side has all the noticeable and cool stuff to look at.  Why?

Well, here is the continuation from Saturday AM texts with H-money.  Not pretty, be warned.  If you are convinced you can win in the casino and nothing will harm you or cause you to lose and you do not want to face reality---skip this thread! 

And by the way, H-money read a lot of the trash and garbage on the internet prior to even playing bac.  All about wager banker when not sure what to bet and all the published stats and data about outcomes, etc.  All of it.

H-Money is down over $50,000.00 of his own money.  Blood money, not win money.  He keeps playing and playing and playing, dead-set of the mind set he can get all his lost monies back and is not following anything I tell him once he starts to win again--when i am not there.  He can get it back, but not the way he is doing it--not at all.  Just like Friday night when I had to head out to the interstate.  I would have paid him about $1,000.00 to help me over night, but instead he lost $15,400.00.  He actually did win about 5k, but then he goes crazy like 99% + of all players do at the bac table.  Experienced or not, they do.

Here are the texts from H-Money to me while I was out on the interstate blocking off a lane for the heavy equipment, part of my business we do along with the environmental work, etc.  But it was a complicated lane closure on a holiday weekend where the state police are attitude filled, so I had to go and handle that all night.


(When I left to go to the interstate, he called and we talked about the 11th hand being the first F-7.  How the one dealer always gives them to me almost every time and how he can never win with this dealer, etc.  Lately he is starting to blame certain dealers)

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Quote from: alrelax on March 31, 2018, 03:25:03 PM
We went last night and started playing.  Got about 15 mins into it and my night dispatcher calls me for a semi truck roll over on the interstate. 

I played the first 10 hands of the shoe we started.  I felt fortune 7 and played it 8 times out of the past 10 hands.  I tell h-money I have to go and asked him to come help me.  He said he wanted to gamble.  As I was walking away the next hand was a fortune 7!  I can't believe it!!

I been out on the interstate all night.  H-money kept texting how he was losing and of course blamed it on the dealers, lol.

No matter what, my business comes first.  I have witnessed so many players over the many years I have played, especially in the larger gaming jurisdictions, ruin their businesses over gambling and vices that winning at gambling bring to so many that fall prey to them as well. 

I literally got ten or 15 min's into the shoe we all started and then the call came in to handle what is shown below.  I always go for the F-7 in the first 10 hands or so and yes, as I said--as soon as I got up and walk to the cashier, literally the very next hand was an F-7.  I believe it was the 11th. 

The state police had no extra manpower due to the holiday weekend and as well, the semi tractor trailer was already off the roadway, so we had to do all the traffic control and clean-up, etc.  H-money called me how great the shoe was when I left and all the F-7's but the following ones sucked and how everyone was just playing the 'cut' or following repeats and not playing for the 'cut' when it was making only chops.  That is what the game is, what wins one time around, is what losses when it comes around again, or possible not.  LOL.  But like I said, he started to win, stayed too long, had visions of getting all his money back and then lost another $15k. 

I was out on the highway all night and 1/2 the next day.  Did I want to go, no.  But, if I did not, my mind, frame-of-mind--would have been jeopardized by not going and sending one of my guys to do the task that I really needed to handle in the first place.  Gambling is more than just sitting there attempting to make the correct wagering decisions.  You can say otherwise, but IMO--it is a complex myriad of many things.  You can read on numerous message boards on the internet, how players built up their bankrolls, turned pro baccarat player and are making lavish livings gambling with huge success everyday.  Be careful, I wish everyone could and I hope you most certainly can.  I do rather well most times gambling and losses are far less than my wins--because  I learned what works for me and how I am governed (most times) inside the casino at the baccarat tables.   

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Quote from: Lugi on April 02, 2018, 12:21:28 PM
Think about you wrote,  "upping their levels of play", major failure!

You misunderstand what my point was,

And yes i govern my play and replace my bankroll when i win,  i have explained in detail in my blog.

I only up my levels of play when i win.  Othefs do when they lose and chase.

I don't have any reason to build a larger bankroll. 

If I have to, I will get H-money to self-ban himself from the two local casinos in our 100 mile radius here.  I have ways to get him to do it and might have to resort to those to get him to take the time to regroup.  I don't want to do it but i am running out of options.  I will talk to him this week about it.  He tells me one thing on the phone or even in person, then his demaons take over.  He reminds me of people I knew with their cocaine habits back in the 80's and the 90's in the northeast before I moved to the Midwest, that lost their multi million dollar businesses.

Quote from: Lugi on March 31, 2018, 02:19:00 PM
I reckon it is harder to win after suffering any major loss, basically not only are you are chasing, you are under tremendous pressure to break the current losing streak, it adds to the mental pressure.

What you friend needs to do, is figure out his game plan in advance, MM and bet selection, then set himself a goal target, either a 3rd or 4th of his last loss.  Attempt to recover that slowly,, take a break for a few days, and then attach the loss prior to this.  Easier said than done, but doable with the right frame of mind, adequate BR, MM, mindset and game plan.

If the pressure of prior losses are too great, and he lacks discipline, then he has no chance.

Welcome to the forum.  You sound like you have some experience at Bac.  We need some new faces and input here!

I hear what you are saying!  I have about 35 years or so playing, never was a full time gambler that forced himself to make a living off gambling.  However, I won and lost larger sums of money at times.  The past 15 years or so I realized the correct way for myself to play Bac and be able to make some side money from it.  I do win and I win conserdable amount more than I lose.  I handle my win money the way that works for myself and it pays for plenty in my life. 

Unfortuently most other players only add to their bank rolls and wind up losing the win money and their monies chasing back their wins.  I wrote some pieces about 'resetting and refreshing' and my 1/3rd, 1/3rd, 1/3rd MM System that wokrs for myself. 

H-money will not stop, refresh or reset himself in any way.  So many on the internet talk about wins and building larger and larger bank rolls and upping their levels of play,etc.  IMO, all fallacy and saounds good, but almost impossible.  All good if they do it, I just have too much expereince and exposure to the casino to know what can and can not be realistically accomplished on a regualr basis of play.

It is extremely easy to write about it and plan, but when you are in a casino--it is another world by far!  For everyone.

I have pictures to post in reference to my last couple of posts but cannot from where I am at get them online.  When I am back in my office on Tuesday I will, thanks, Glen.