Quote from: alrelax on June 24, 2017, 05:09:46 PM
Stephen, so you are claiming those 3 shoes were made up by me and they are fake and conceived to discredit your expert research and system, is that correct???

Please answer this.

Stephen, so you are claiming those 3 shoes were made up by me and they are fake and conceived to discredit your expert research and system, is that correct???

Quote from: Stephen Tabone on June 24, 2017, 04:02:45 PM
When you get approx 3.6 (sets of 22x) more P/B runs more than zigzag runs over three shoes that someone posts (=81x more!) you first need to 'ask questions' before making further tweaks. The game play and added tweaks are strong enough. These shoes...are very questionable. The knives were out to get me, (as advised by some members) I know that, at the time these were posted, therefore I really cannot accept them as stand alone. The fact that there were no good shoes that showed TUBS in a good light posted means that no one reader can take these 3 shoes as gospel.

Again I write, individuals should take down their own results and apply them. To merely reply on other persons shoe results is meaningless. No one serious about winning would judge a strategy based on what others claim. S/he must check a strategy against results s/he knows to be true. Otherwise what you'll find on here is 'bear baiting' against me. Though I might be a bear, in defending my strategy I'm certainly not a chained one, to accept claims. I'm a free thinker and therefore am not bound to masters who mistreat in order to satisfy themselves and or the crowd, you readers.

Over the space of a few days, 18th -21st June 2017, the mob (double faced) in order to try and discredit my strategy went onto Amazon and left negative reviews (not a good word to say about it! That I think says more about themselves). The mob clearly planned this and did so to protect their friend's $1,000 workshop in Vegas as other members had advised me about what is going on (then the mob leader takes them to casinos to lose: and he get commission from their loses).

And then you get these doggy shoe results to try and put others off from looking into my strategy! these people will do/say anything to protect their mob leader. My guess is that they don't even gamble, they don't bet on baccarat for real but just pretend to. Readers should make up their own minds. As of today my book is still #1 on baccarat on Amazon. (currently on sale: click on the link below) 2.1 will be out soon, followed by 3.0 which everyone is waiting for.

I have no idea what seminar or person you are talking about or others are referring to.  I was going to start a full time business as I told you and the State of Nevada's Post Secondary Education official agencies documents are posted within my Blog showing how they would not give me an exception/waiver to having official teachers, backgrounds checks, fingerprinting, fee, course outlines etc., the same as a private school or a dealer school.  Their state certified consultants and annalists cited, my course content would have great leverage and educational advancement for anyone taking it if they were employed at a casino.  However, don't get me wrong, I was not teach or seminar about system and strictly bet placement, etc.  Otherwise they told me, there would be a waiver and no regulation because systems and bet placement method seminars are outside of the regulatory realm, etc.  So, I am not operating a business so I hope you are NOT referring to me in what you quote.

I ahve no interest or concern with anyone's books, except if it benefits me or i can profit from it.  But what does bother me is how you have literally and written wise, accused me of submitting fake score cards to discredit you (with the knives in my hand), seriously??

Quote from: Stephen Tabone on June 24, 2017, 03:00:41 PM
I've received the following from a member via email:

"1. How many decks in these three shoes? the results are, 74, 74, 73 these can't be 6 deck, too many and no ties.
2. 1st shoe, only two runs of zigzags, run of those being 4x and 7x / 2nd shoe only three runs of ZZ, 3x 6x 4x / 3rd shoe only two runs of ZZ, 3x 4x / so in all 222 results the total number of zigzag runs, i.e. 3 or more = 31
Stephen this looks unusual. I mean if true these have to be the worst kind of shoe results that do not show your system in a good light. Also note too how there are few runs of Bank and or Player on all thee shoes and how there are no long runs of either Bank or Player. Also note how the structure of each shoe are similar to each other as if someone had sat down and written them! Please post this."

I'm going to write out the results in board order to see what they look like.

No ties?  Seriously the cards I blew up and scanned were as follows:  1) 73 B/P's with 8 ties; 2) 72 B/P's with 5 ties; and 73 B/P's with 10 ties.  Seriously?  Great accusations.  All three shoes same structures?  I don't think so.  All pretty common looking for casino play.  I guess if i had a shoe with all 1's, 2's and an occasional 3 and a 4 repeat, that would be suspect to. 

1 of the shoes had a player run of 6, a banker run of 6, the rest 3's 4's and one 5 repeating Banker also.  What is so abnormal about that, because there was no 7 or 8 or 10 repeating streaks.  I have played 4 to 6 shoes and anything over 6 has been absent. 

1 of the shoes had a 6 repeating Banker, a 6 repeating Player, and 4-four repeating bankers and player runs. 

The other shoe had 2 seven repeating streaks--one banker and one player, had 2 four repeating players runs and had a 5 repeating player run also.

What is so uncommon about these shoes???  An according to your PM emailer, every shoe is suppose to have long streaks, say greater than 8 or 9, doesn't happen at times. 

But since it makes you feel better, I lied, the three are fakes and i commit sins and i am a bad farther and ignore my kids and all the rest.  Seriously, you are a professional and an expert?   You perpetrate what someone sent you by PM and make me look like i lie and created something to take away your expert and professional work???  Nice of you how you did that Stephen.

What casino had guaranteed or shoes that regularly with consistency have streaks greater than 6 on a regular basis?  I beg to differ from that one.  "How there are no long runs of banker or player".  That is laughable, i played 3 shoes and those are the results.  You never sat down and played 3 or 5 shoes and had nothing over 5?  I have plenty of times.  There was 6 and a 7 in these 3.  Jesus.

You know something Mark, I have not lied or mislead people on this board!!!!  At least outside of the humorous and comical, no matter how unintelligent, retarded or off-color those threads were---which i have started to delete last night until Vic put a darn halt to it!!  People, IMO--have confused some of the off-color/comical threads I tried to mostly bring out points and get interest going.  But that probably backfired too???

I go to numerous training seminars for my professional work world (Hazardous Materials Response) and some of the best seminars and courses is where the instructors or people in the audience bring out comical, off-color, off-the-wall agenda.  Seriously 100%!  But this board it appears those were held against me.  I was under the impression this board was like a newspaper (Vic--using this analogy because of your long Emails last night), if you don't want to read the sports, the household sections--trash them (SKIP THEM)!  Read the national and local news and the classified and the entertainment section, that is what I do.

As far as the editing and deletions of people's posts, those are not necessarily done by myself and they are done for the good of the board, appearance and keeping peace.  Right or wrong, things get moderated by various concerns, case closed on that one.

I did respect you for quite some time, it is just the other 3 or 4 people that have been permanently moderated and one appears to have had his moderated status lifted--that choose to humiliated, chastised, degrade and accuse the poster of a non-truth when they know absolutely nothing about the poster, have never et him or spent time with him and are not privy to the absolute facts.  Take for instance the score cards,  I put it on my 4 year old life and my parents that they were actual cards from live played games.  The problem is, many have little to no experience.  Personally i have seen nearly everything in baccarat and there will always be a bit of 'new' with results, stats, patterns, trends, wagering and production of winning and losing hands n a shoe.  Damn--just the other night, and i did not post the card I kept for the simple reason--i would be accused it was fake or altered.  Dealers dealing full time 5 and 6 days a week for 10 plus years and floor manager with 25 years experience on the floor did never see a shoe that happened the other night.  There was 20 ties, first 3 hands 3 ties back to back.  Then 7 players, then 2 more repeating ties.  Around hand 30 there was 8 banker run with 9 ties within that run!  Four of the ties were natural 8's.  There was 3 back to back Fortune 7's with 2 additional Fortune 7's late in the shoe and a Fortune 7 on the very last 77th, hand!  There was other things in that shoe as well.  But i never saw anything like it, add up another one to the experience book. 

But, I am tired of being accused and demeaned because of jealously--the need to start drama--false accusations--and a host of other things to fit a handful of people's agendas.  I have put in some hard work and time in this board.  I feel I got the extreme raw end of Stephen Tabone's appearance here and IMO and strictly IMO--his outline and depth and experience with the game leaves me not willing to spend $20 or $30 on the book---i rather buy my kids a bag of gummy bears and sweet tarts. 

When you have played this game a while you will have witnessed shoes that have chop-chopped the whole entire shoe all 80 hands plus some ties, you will have witnessed shoes that had an entire hoe of doubles, you will have seen a shoe or two that never produced one tie--not one.  You will have seen shoes with 17 to 20 ties, you will witness shoes with every hand cutting after a natural or every hand sticking after those naturals.  You will have witnessed shes with 1's and 3's for half the shoe, etc.  The list goes on and one and on.  Point being--systems and set protocol scheduled agendas.  They cannot and will not consistently prevail, they cannot.  If you win a few shoes you will lose and equal amount or greater.  That is not the say to prevail at this game.  But don't get me wrong and turn around what I said.  As, those systems will prevail 'sometimes'.  And that is the quagmire as to how systems can sell themselves, they sell themselves to players weak sides and unknown and inexperience.  What it takes to win at baccarat is not a system, it is money management, progressions, side wagers with parlays from win money, and attacking the shoe from all sides, not one side-one way.  The shoe will do everything with no conscious or thought or protocol for exclusivity of a set schedule.  Then, someone comes on here or elsewhere and preachers with distinct 'commercial and economic motivation' as to how some per-conceived set method can allow anyone to prevail for the long run.  The latest one has some disclosures that are generally not seen with other authors and that is the thing with the 75%/25% ratios and as well--the 'stop when you lose double your goal and make it up later'.  In reality that is no darn different than winning, putting some away, try more and then leave or, I lost and i will come back again to get whole.  What is the system?  Okay, other things. 

As far as you being out in front of me?  Whatever, seriously dude.  You have no clue about my life a my winnings or losing in baccarat.   I don't believe I voiced a definitive statement about you?  I might not agree with certain technical data or protocols, etc., but have i said and quantified anything about you?  Also slick the way you attempted to set the precedence about the emails with what I labeled a con-job or bad borrowed gambling funds, etc.  I never did really want to publish them and the 'other board member' pleaded with me this morning not to publish them.  But I clearly made my point, I feel.  Have i done stuff in my past, life and gambling I am not proud of and regret and would not repeat, SURE!  Have you, I only assume so.  But i have really tried to publish on this board the real and actual experiences i have had gambling with baccarat.  Most of the time, i get my butt kicked.  I can't defend something that is actual and real, it is what it is.  I won close to $30k on a shoe last week and my close buddy won almost $40k on that shoe.  I post a picture of the actual scoreboard with the pit manger standing behind me making sure i cropped the picture right to the edges of the score board.  Guess that is fake too???  That is what is so wrong on this board. 

And since you bring it up, personal wise and you have brought in my personal life and how you have definitively made the medical and clinical evaluations of me being disturbed, mental and other related things.  I work virtually 11 hours a day 5 days a week and half a day Saturday, I also do night calls in an emergency depending on the situation/job.  I support my family and i am very proud of my three kids that i have posted their pictures within my Blog.  I have also created events and worked desperately hard over the years to provide children with basic school supplies and hygiene products in school back packs for the extremely poor and underprivileged.  In fact, another broad member has helped me and I will publish his name here as I did in another thread, his name is LungYeh, if you don't know whom that is.  The person the Stephen Tabone had blasted for merely stating something simple and non threatening to him in his Blog.  That is another example of what is so wrong with this board.  Here you have a gentlemen that came on the board to promote his biased and unproven system and I get him to support the board and then he takes offense to members.  Does any of those things make me a better person than you, I don't know and doesn't really matter, but the things published by some people here about myself is so far from the real truth and accuracy, is it pitiful.  And, the silliest part is the people publishing it are not next to me and do not have the slightest idea what they are talking about.  But they publish those things with vengeance and malicious actions, point black   Oh lord, I used to own a restaurant or two in New York City.  You know what, every customer was correct no matter what.  A customer, a patron, a person in the restaurant no matter if spending money or not--was always right. No need to spar and argue or chastise or humiliate a customer or any person on the premise.  It is just plain wrong. That is IMO. 

Other message boards I am part of in technical and other avenues, people have a habit of skipping posts/threads and members they do not agree with.  It is common place.  But not here all of a sudden. 

Last night I deleted bout 300 of my posts and many threads.  I lost interest in the board and losing interest quickly as the days go on.  I don't feel any good here and that has nothing to do with being in the limelight as you so accuse me of in your other thread about Stephen Tabone.  I don't care anything about his book or his attempt to capitalize on it.  I wanted a neutral position and it didn't turn out that way. I told Victor last night I want to delete the majority of my posts and threads and be done with this board.  I meant it and although i had a slight change of heart this morning,  I cannot see continuing to pour information that is chastised, made fun of, accused as being false, fake and fraudulent, etc.  Seriously, my feelings.  I spend time on this board when i can because I rather be on it than watching news, you tube or a TV show that is not interesting.  I type super fast so a long article to many is a few minuets o myself to post.  There was even one time when certain people wanted to know how i can spend time on the board and type such lengthy articles, etc.  Se--that is what I mean.  If you are not interested in something, enjoy it, need it, learn from it---why even bother with it--you are actually just degrading yourself and wasting you own time to red my threads/articles and posts. 
 
Then there is GreenGuy that returned from permanently moderated status because Vic felt sorry for him.  He actually post horrible and derogatory remarks about my wife on this board and Vic or anyone else won't raise an eyebrow.  For example,"I'll stick my honey bee in your wife's pollen flower if you're not careful".  Sorry, there is no need for those things, it demeans the board and makes it a non-friendly place for all.  But I guess that is their humor and their way to satisfy themselves with attacking me for some reason.  The only reason I called him a piece of sh*t was in my opinion he is for what he has clearly down on this board.  I don't know anything about his personal or gambling life, don't want to and I don't believe i commented on those.  He is seemingly upset with me and he has degraded, humiliated and chastised me in numerous ways, there is no reason for it, none whatsoever.  And all he does is make this board a bit worse to be on and represent.  But he continually follows me on the board, comments on my threads and attempts to belittle me the best he can with his street lingo, street thug-ness and all without just cause or reason.  And they are not complaints they are clear violations of Victor's Rule #4, i believe it is.   

So what I see Victor endorsing is commercial ventures for sponsorship now.  Actually nothing wrong with that.  The majority of those sponsoring this board are reserved to their space, posting what those vendors/sponsors are selling and trying to make a profit off of and that is it.  However, with Stephen Tabone, he is engaging with personality into the board and as well, being an outlet that is used by various members to spar with myself and others.  I don't believe that should be done.  But, it is what it is.  If Victor wants a board with all commercial salesmen and vendors, he will get it I am sure.  I thought there was some kind of untouched community here without influence from the commercial sales world, but that is no longer the case.  It is just sad when those people with their biased and alternative motives cannot stay within their own realm, that is all.  They actual do represent two separate and distinct things.  Their product and their thoughts which can only be governed by the sale of their product. 

Giz, as far as you getting wiped out, I have taking large amounts of money to Vegas, Atlantic City, South Florida, Southern California and Connecticut to some of the largest casinos in the country.  I have won hundreds of thousands and I have lost straight without ever getting up and over my buy-ins.  That is gambling.  But, i don't believe and i am fairly certain i have NEVER blamed anyone on this board for my gambling losses when they occur or anything else, I seriously don't think so.  If I did, I did it in pun and humorous analogy.  Some of the things you say are quite personal, unfounded and untrue.  I don't know what else to say.  I tired to explain it to you.  I am tired of this board for lots of hose reasons I cited, not for lack of interest in gaming, baccarat,, people or events I face day-to-day.  It is just that i valued this board and most f the people and a handful of members nearly ruined it---that is 100% from my heart.  Thanks, Glen/Alrelax.

pretty good article it's pretty long about this guy that was discovering the roulette Holy Grail and he was there for about 7 hours when it came to him and he partnered up with another guy down at the Garden restaurant and there was some funding and there was some Bank wires and it was all sorts of promises made it's a pretty good little novel if you want I can try to find it today real quick but I got busy doing other things as why I didn't post it do you really want it post it this quick

he's the boards researcher with all his clinical brain related gambling decision-making research along with the roulette and he ripped off a board member for a good-sized money and it was a con I have to debate who to divulge the emails to and all the information his credibility is zero yeah he chastises and you Millie hates me most of the time actual postings sure I had some humorous and some comical things but I've deleted them last night I took out over 300 post and threads until Victor stop me.so make up your mind who you want to speak to and who you want to believe on the board as far as green guy goes he's simply an instigator like sticking his two cents into this one

Come on mark I think the emails and info are exciting!!!!  Lol

So tell everyone about the deal and promises you made the board member about the money mark.

I deleted the shoes, nothing to worry about, the fake shoes are gone now.  Ok?

Quote from: Gizmotron on June 21, 2017, 01:49:11 PM

See how the mind of an NPD works. He actually sees things that are not there. When did I ever say that he chased people away?


I told that person that I would divulge everything openly. That is exactly why I did divulge my issues. I kept his name out of it so that he would not be hounded by anyone because of me. It's real interesting how Glen has discovered it. I know I didn't say anything. Are you going to blab his name Glen?


This is how life works Glen. You make your choices and you live with them. If I fail, at least I will not have tried to deceive people in the process. So, why today have you decided to attack me. Are your supplies running low? I know what you are afraid to look at. It's just too bad that your attacks don't have any effect on me. I know what drives you crazy. All I can do is feel sorry for you.

The abuse you are capable of is so self inflicted that you really might want to consider professional help.

thanks mark and I have to find a great article by mark ellsworth B-------, will post shortly!

a close friend of mine on this board and I have copies of the emails the driver's license number the Bank wiring information and all of the emails for several months and it's very explicit and very clear and it's more or less just a con job but he wants to flip everything to me like I'm the a****** whatever I'm on the way to the casino have a nice night I'll email you some stuff tomorrow Stephen and you'll see what I'm talking about I have your personal email we've exchanged some pictures in emails thank you

and I'm telling you absolute truth I put it on my little four year olds life I know what I'm talking about is absolute hundred percent truth swear to God over my parents and my little boy.

Whatever mark in Sandy Oregon I'm done I will not post on the board no more.  by the way did you repay the money you took from the other members for all your research and all the failure and the gambling you've done I got some concrete evidence that you did not but not my deal. You just have a habit of telling damn half-truths and making SPars Like a soap opera. I'm done.

And when i said the other day to Stephen, 'please don't fight or spar' with members, i was attempting to keep Stephen neutral in my own way.  If you have a good or great product, it will speak for itself, IMO.  I have no problem with Stephen and I don't think he feels that I do...? 

Quote from: gizmo26 on June 23, 2017, 10:25:50 PM
How do we know if these shoes results are even genuine? One minute "Alrelax" is attacking Stephen trying to silence him, the next minute his posting ugly shoes results!!! I smell a rat. From what I could read he never even bought a copy of the book! And suddenly he says the system does not work!!! It seems he'll do/say anything to attack Stephen and his book, even if that means posting end results of shoes no one can see, or verify as being true and real. And even if they are real he could have selected the worst ones out of many. I mean if this were a court it would be a kangaroo court.

You are absolutely wrong.  I never said any verdict about his book, i don't subscribe to or use 'systems'.  I only asked him not to spar with people about his book.  I did feel he was preaching 'in and above' his book for sales--but so be it.  I am not attacking Stephen or his book.  My whole beef in the beginning was to get him to sponsor the board for selling a commercial item, we have already been through all that.

As far as the shoes posted, those shoes are absolute real live shoes and if you play enough you will see easy, hard, ugly and very pretty, LOL.  Seriously, not time to throw this all on me, not by any chance.