I did not judge anything, I said great and congratulations.  If you like, I can remove that part?  You didn't even say thanks.  Oh well. 

You are coming on here to promote your book you are making a profit off of.  You should IMO, support this website with Vic, many of us have donated money to him to keep this place going.  You are here for commercial reasons, please support our website and donate at least $100.00 to Vic, many of us have giving $50.00 or so without commercial reasons.  It is only fair and just and shows your good faith to support the site that has the potential to make you money. 

As far as books, I have read many, not all.  I know the triggers, the systems, the tricks and profitable agendas to baccarat.  I have gambled for years, about 37 years or so that is.  At every baccarat and high limit room in Atlantic City, at Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun in CT and Seminole in Florida.  At no less than 25 casino properties in the Midwest as well as Pala, Pechanga, Morongo and Agua Caliente in Southern California.  In Vegas the Mirage, Treasure Island, The Bellagio, Planet Hollywood and before that it at The Aladdin.  At the Wynn and before that at The Desert Inn.  Palace Station, Gold Coast and The Rio.  At Caesar's Palace, MGM, and the Tropicana.  M Bay and others.  Bottom line, a few of us non-published people, might know a few things about baccarat as well. 

Great and congratulations!

Me Too!  Absolutely.  Has to win, has to be guaranteed and if I don't win or like it, the money has to be refunded!  LOL, glad I was not drinking coffee when I read that one!

You know, I used to be in Manhattan (New York City) for a long time.  There used to be this restaurant in a very crowed part of 'mid-town' and they had this sign in the window.  "Come on in--eat our food and if you don't truly like it and enjoy it--we will not charge you".  I used to eat there, before the sign was posted.  It was a great place--no doubt.  Then it was conceivable the sign helped attract new customers without a doubt!  Then after a few months the sign came down.  I asked the owner why.  He told me, 'Because so many of the people are liars and cheats, they eat everything on their plates and then they say they did not like it'. 

 
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P.S.  Don't let life pass you by while you are selling hot dogs
from a cart at the corner of, 'Shoulda and Coulda and Didn't' streets.

As I mentioned within the thread above, 'Perception'. 

To me, I know this has a lot to do with wagering and the game itself.

You know perception does effect us in various ways in many things we all do.  The other day I was talking to an employee about my little son.  The little kid love Five Nights at Freddy's and all the characters with Freddy.  When I mention, 'Freddy' to the employee--he says, "OMG, I remember that guy from Nightmare on Elm Street".  Which of course was the 1984 or so movie and Freddy Krueger the brunt killer with the metal claws on his hand, etc. 

But my little boy is involved with Freddy from Five Nights at Freddy's which is a 2014 origination.  Two different characters, two different plots and adventures or whatever they are called.

Same in baccarat.  Mention something and take favoritism to a certain thing, and the next person has a total different perception of it for whatever reason.  Might not even be the same thing. 

Lack Of Visualization--Tangible/Intangible

All of the above interfaces with the baccarat player, realize it, acknowledge it, ignore it, whatever, it is your choice.

Like in most other thinking or labor dependent type of processes where there is a rationalizing/deduction process for what to do or what should be done, all 3 of the areas identified in the title, Lack Of Visualization--Tangible/Intangible  will usually come into play. 

Lack Of:  Just because something is lacking, does not mean, it does not exist.  Does not mean, it will not come around.  Does not mean, it is going to make a huge showing/appearance.  Does not mean, it cannot come appear relatively easy. 

Lack Of is by far and large the single most ruining factor of the game of baccarat for countless players.  Do not kid yourself, the very opposite, An Abundance of, will also be a ruining factor but in my opinion, not nearly as much as the lack of, infliction.  Players just do not visualize the streaks, runs, large clusters and related winning events that formed sections within the shoe.  The players are basically negative and leery because of their own or their friends losing experiences.  So, their psych convinces them that, because they do not see it up on the board,it is not coming, etc.  Then when it does, they still will not believe it or even recognize it, the typical and proverbial 'double whammy'.  Boom!  They got smacked on the side of their heads.  And that happens, admit it or not, consistently!

Here is a non-baccarat analogy of, Lack Of.  Say you are mowing your lawn and it is thick.  You are happily walking behind your mower, usually never a problem.  However, all of a sudden 'Bang-Clack-Clack-Cling', etc.  Huge noises and all of a sudden your mower cuts out.  You tip the mower to one side and you see some large metal debris pieces of 'whatever'.  You could have walked the yard real quick and looked for such objects but, you reason with yourself and justify your laziness by saying, that never happened before.  Kind of like when you play a baccarat shoe and it was so choppy everyone was losing money by wagering for the repeats that never came.  Then once you started wagering the chop it went to a 14 or 16 run/streak Banker or Player and you missed it all.  You missed it for the same reason, you failed to see it or even believe it could be there and come forward.   

Visualization:   The trickiest and the most difficult by far, is the fact that there is the visualization factor at the game of baccarat.  While other card games within the casino might be solely based on numbers and some other technical thought process, baccarat has numerous visual influencing events continuing though out the shoe that effect the highest majority of all players.   


____        ____     C         K


____       ____                      ____   ____   ____    K



What happens if you put the letters SU/FU/CO/DI, etc., in the first 2 spots of the first work where the 'CK' are already inserted?  People visualize but still can be so confusing or leaning towards the non-appropriate and the farthest thing from the truth or what will actually happen, etc.   

As in baccarat and the score board, the score board, etc., it is all resting with the player and his interpretation of what he sees.  Many people will look at the above and immediately say 'Suck or F*ck'.  But the real phase that should appear there would be 'Back to Work'. 

Negative.  Wise.  Derogatory.  Like, a 'WOW' effect was sought, etc.
Enticing.  Bold statement.  While it could have been just that, very possibly it could have been the complete opposite with a subtle and very non-head turning phrase.

Same as when a streak of either B or P is about to happen, not really any different, IMO.


B---P--B--P--B--P--B--P--B--P--B--P--B--P--B
B---P--B--- -B-- P--- - -P--- ---- -- ---P--B---   B
B---P--B-- ---  ---- -- -P--- ---- ----  --- - - B
                                                           B

When you get to the above point, just about all the players would be wagering heavy for the 'cut' and getting deeper into the shoe with negative progression after negative progression after negative progression from the 2nd Banker on.  Unlike the old-school Bac players that would be counting on the streak/run with their reasoning being, the 4th Banker with no previous runs past 3 repeats. 



B--P---B--P--B---P---B---P--B-P---B--P---B--P-B
B--P---B---  -B---P--- ---     -- --P-   ----P---B--- -B
B--P---B--- ----  ---  ---- - ---- ---P---  ---- ----B
                                                                B
                                                                B
                                                                B B B B B B B B T B


The score board has done the very same thing to baccarat!  No difference.  That is why it is there.  It is a complicated thing, you just ca not say I will wager this or that for the obvious reasons.  Then again, on the other hand, you will only hurt yourself when you say, "I will wager this way because the other way is the way the casino is counting on the money wagering".  If you focus on the board it will play games with you.  It will prove to be rationale and then irrational, then predictable and then it will be the total opposite so clear you will actually blame yourself for not following it. 

Tangible/Intangible:  Intangible items effecting your play; Illusions, Perceptions, Influences and Frame-of-Mind.  Tangible items effecting your play; Diminishing Probability, Regression to the Means, Sections, Turning Points, Positive Progressions, Negative Progressions, Plateaus, 1 + 4 Side Wagers, Situation Awareness and Money Management Systems. 

There are plenty of them.  They all in one way or another effect your decision making ability while wagering.  If you do not think so, you better take a second look into them all.  The game of baccarat is much more than merely looking at the score board and figuring 'such and such' will happen because of 'so and so', etc.  And that is how the intangibles will come up and haunt you forcing the majority of the players into 'forced rapid wagering' to recover their funds lost or a clouded and unfocused state of mind causing the player not to make the easiest and most rational decisions. 

As much as some people write about the game of baccarat, is so easily beatable by merely figuring out what is due to come up on the score board and if they fail, they have convinced themselves all they need to do is enter into a negative progression wagering attack and they will recoup all their lost funds plus one unit.  In a perfect world of gambling that is slanted towards the player that, might be possible but it is wishful thinking and one or both will eat you up---the mathematics or the tangible/intangible items that are there whether you like it or not

Quote from: vrsedge on May 19, 2017, 10:26:57 AM
Hello alrelax,
sorry but didn't get your question, please specify your point. Thanks and nice day
Petr

Here is the question:

Do you get satisfaction out of helping your fellow man? 

Do you feel compelled to give something back to the community?

Quote from: vrsedge on May 17, 2017, 06:48:56 PM
I'd like to mention that selling is not my major goal. I am looking for interesting discussions with the members and experience exchange about roulette systems. If someone decides to purchase my App or system, fine, but it is not my major focus.

In that case, can you please answer the following question:

Do you actually enjoy helping your fellow man and gambler?  You know--as in giving a little something back.

I didn't look at the website and probably will not?

But I will interject as a member of this board and a friend of Vic's.

Things only turn out to be a 'scam' when they do not perform and/or produce as they are supposed to if the person whom purchased it or engaged the provider to preform the service or provide the product failed to deliver the product or the results within the set boundaries as determined by the law. 

Even law enforcement does not get involved from the on-set when advertisements appear, Ponzi schemes, false offerings and all the other titles and labels of criminal or civil actions, etc.  Once there are substantiated cases/complaints with proof of failure or 'rip-off'--then the legal system can take its criminal and/or civil actions according to their prosecuting attorney and the law. 

The very best 'scams' and 'fraudulent offerings', are usually the best laid-out, the most complicated and the ones that have great thoughts--devotion--dedication and brilliant 'bling' added to them.  They also have another item that so many overlook.  And that is usually something along the lines of, 'open for interpretation'.  Meaning, "Oh you misunderstood--I told you that you 'might' profit as much as 40% of your investment within 1 year, not--you will profit 40%'. 

Good job.......

Quote from: ADulay on May 02, 2017, 05:59:12 PM

And if they're rigging the shoe so that the wagers on the most money are losing, I'd really like to know that one.

AD

Yes!  And at times it does seem that way and yet--at others (an equal amount or more??) that big money wins.  IMO--it seems we all dwell on and remember quite vividly those times when say some goes table max and every one is table min or close to it and the guy wagering the $10 or $25 wins. 

But, I have been at winning tables when the dealer had to pay in larger demonization chips and take back (say there was 4,900.00 out there in green and black) and the dealer would pay in purple and chocolate and take all the green and black, etc., until she got a fill that was being rushed.  Just most of the time the players give it back and don't take all the dealers bank in a short period of time, but it does happen. 

But, seriously in all reality there is nothing the shoe can produce that would guarantee the players lose, no matter how much they wager.  Since there is no optional draws or player/dealer generated optional anything--and since the player can wager on either side, there is no way a shoe can be set up to 'cheat' a player, maybe some far fetched theory about a continuous shuffled shoe with the card reader and motherboard fallacy within the shufflers, etc., however it is not a continuous shuffled shoe.

I have sat down countless times and after numerous losing hands, I see someone winning.  I go with them and they lose.  I wait out and they win the next 4 hands, I go with them and they lose.  I wait out and they win once again.  I mean every single time I go with them-they lose.  And this is for a period of 10-15 times, not once or twice or three or even four times.  It happens. And when I was wagering I might be $100 on my thinking and they are opposite me with $500 or $1,000 or more. 

I don't know about you, but I definitely remember my losses and those times when I won really good and then gave it all back rather than the times I win and it is not record setting, etc. 

Quote from: Blue_Angel on May 02, 2017, 05:42:37 AM
You should know better after all these years, I didn't expect to receive this respond from someone like you.
Just a friendly tip, the best way to decide what to bet is to wait to see where the most money have been bet and then bet the opposite.
If you are the only person at the table then good luck...!

I can seriously understand at Blackjack and possibly at Poker with some 'possibles' that are not outright cheating, but along the lines of not allowing the player at BJ to be able to count and determine with approximating how many big and small valued cards are left and at poker keeping the players there waiting longer with 'no start' hands, etc., etc.  And, of course, that is only with the continuous shuffler not the machine they use at baccarat tables.  But not at baccarat whatsoever.  For two factors, one the players can wager either side and second, when the shoe is cut there is always a change in any pre-set make up the deck could have had. 

As well, I have witnessed just as many perfect shoes, streak/runs or huge sections of chop-chop with auto shufflers as manually shuffling.  At times it sure is easy to say, that damn shuffler, etc., but not true at baccarat.  Also, why would some multi billion dollar corporations risk immediate revocation of their license?   

I told you, I wanted to wager this game and probably would have put huge money on it, The Yankees first in the American League, @ Home, against a team with lose stats as bug as the Yankees win stats, so on and so forth---and I know that is not all to consider but the Yankees are from My Bronx--or should I say I am from the Yankees Bronx.  If I wasn't tight this week I would have wagered................and got burned big time. 

For those of you that don't me,  I am in my mid 50's and been around the casinos in Atlantic City since the 1980's, just a couple years after they made gambling legal in New Jersey.  Then Las Vegas as well as the two in Eastern Connecticut in the mid to late1990's. Occasionally playing in Reno, Southern California and Biloxi, Mississippi. After moving from the northeast after the disaster of 9/11 happened, I played at numerous properties around the upper and central Midwest. 

Although I am not a grind, daily type of player, I have spent many hours in various types of casinos playing mostly baccarat and some black jack.  I met numerous kinds of people in the various casinos I have frequented.  Some were business trips and some were strictly personal. We used to mix business with the casino, especially when I was in business in NYC and New Jersey.  Relationships were defined and refined along the boardwalk in Atlantic City.  Those times above all else, were the most memorable and precious to myself in many many ways.  Of course all this started before the internet really picked up and became the item it did, especially in gambling, information, systems and false perceptions, etc.
 
While many members on here are elusive and quite, they believe in and subscribe to certain systematic and grinding type ways of gambling, I do not.  I don't gamble for a hundred dollars a day to sustain myself, there is nothing wrong doing that, just what comes with that is a different frame of mind than the one I have about gambling and casinos. I never will be a grind gambler as I enjoy the safety and the income that, owning or partnering in a business has. I use gambling as an outlet and a sport of fun, for lack of a longer explanation.  I do okay at it and while I do not classify myself as a recreational gambler or degenerate gambler, for the most part I have fun and enjoy myself at the casinos I go to.  The best analogy I can give is about a couple of bowlers I know.  One of them lives eats and breathes to bowl.  He wagers on it, plays it and is always at one of several bowling alleys.  The several times I have and my other friends have bowled with him, he takes it serious, doesn't drink, doesn't laugh, puts on a mean face and needs to make strikes or spares each and every time or his evening falls apart.  The other guy has a professional career in a 'non-bowling' field and when we do bowl together, he is funny, laughing, buying everyone food and doesn't matter if he wins or comes in last place.  I tend to think I am the same with gambling as the second bowler I described.

I have experienced family outings, holiday celebrations, get-a-ways, hundreds of concerts and shows, special family events and yearly birthdays, etc., at various casino properties where gambling was just part of the trip.  While some players do gamble for the lifestyle, I never have.  It is just that my life style included going to the casino. We merely used the casinos for the same purpose someone would travel to another part of the country to a resort property.

A handful of relationships have evolved and stayed to this very day, while some have went by the way side due to death, businesses or marriages dissolved, casino properties closing or being bought out or just in general—change of lifestyle and people moving away with their lives.  So, the relationships that are left are special and will remain for quite some time I figure from this point.   The other night I get a phone call from someone I knew in Las Vegas from the late 1980's.  He started as a dealer and made his way up to senior management in the marketing department at the Las Vegas Hilton.  I met him and knew him from there and we associated with each other outside of the property as well.  More than the 'player-casino personnel' type of relationship by far.  Again, this all started and took place before the 'internet on-line electro-techy' instant everything era that we are in since 2005 or so. 

He is currently at another casino property in Las Vegas, on the strip but not a mid-strip huge mega resort that I got burned out on, as I mentioned in other postings.  He is at a property that is striving to bring back a bit of the pre-2000 Vegas days and has been fairly successful at doing so.  We talked about the 1980's and 1990's Las Vegas.  What a great phone conversation to tell you guys the absolute truth.  I mentioned writing on this board and brought up the aspect of what some talk about here just to see what he thought.  On the other end of my phone was a guy that literally spent his entire life in a casino, day in and day out for nearly the past 40 years, just about.  You know, at times standing and watching players at the tables for 20 hours at a time.  He laughed so hard, choked and about had a shortness of breath when I detailed about systems and related bet-placement methods that are discussed here.   He says, 'you know—I have witnessed players winning and losing millions of dollars, and I will tell you from experience and real-life happenings, the wins come at the least suspecting times to the players that generally don't count of them.  The losses come to those players that wager because they absolutely know they can beat the game and these days—those far outnumber the ones before in the 80's and the 90's'.

Then we went on to the best part of the conversation, the reminiscing of the Las Vegas Hilton.  Although considered 'off-strip' it was almost adjacent to it.  Their baccarat pit was almost second to none in Vegas for numerous years.  Of course the icing on the Hilton's cake was their entertainment.  And their entertainment broke all-time records with the biggest names in show business.   I think he started there a few years before I got out of high school which was in 1976.  So he caught the last couple of years of Elvis Presley's all time super performances at The Hilton and his attendance breaking 100% sold-out shows.  Same with Liberace, AKA 'Mr. Showmanship'.  It was during that time I met my friend at The Hilton.  And the boxing matches, those were the icing on the cake as well, some of the largest worldwide boxing matches, happened at The Hilton. 

The phone call continued and my friend went on to reminisce about one of the Liberace concert weekends we were at.  We just got to Vegas and was checking in, my friend hustles me away from the lobby and the person that was with me to get something to eat.  Didn't even finish the check in and he told them to put my bags in the room and we would be back later.  We actually went off property to a place now closed, it was called "Foxy's Firehouse Casino" and as we were eating, he told me he booked me a suite on the 13th floor along with some other baccarat players.  Unlike the highest majority of hotels and office buildings, The Hilton did not believe in the unlucky 13th floor (known as 'Triskaidekaphobia) and my trip will be quite profitable that weekend.  He cracks up laughing when he tells me about the look on my face when he said, the suite was on the 13th floor. LOL, I laughed so hard how he remembered that after all these years.   I visited him and another guy that I knew back from the Hilton days in Vegas along with my little son from my current marriage.  That was during Asian New Year back in 2015 and it was a great week.  When he gave us a tour at the current property he is at, he kept telling my son about Elvis, Liberace, and the rest of the famous entertainers and the look from my son was priceless.  Every once in a while we would look at each other and just wink, but he felt compelled for some reason to explain to a 2 year old about the 1980's.  My wife wasn't even listening, she was consumed in eating her lunch.

He brought up how our entire aisle in the Hilton's showroom, a few rows from the stage—got up and danced when Liberace played his song 'Boogie Woogie'.  He said if it was a dance contest we would have made complete fools of ourselves and that was the reason he loved all his players so much—because we were so real and so fun—it didn't even seem like a job.  He further went on to compare back then to the present and although there are some down to earth players, overall it is another world of casino patrons.  Amen, I second that.

So, for those of you that go into a casino to sit and grind and sweat and cuss life, I understand and I am sorry for any desperation that the casino brings out in you.  But in all realty, the casino is no different than so many large hotel resort type of properties that do not possess gaming where many just experience lost money in going and yet others, get extreme value for their dollars spent including a couple of words, that have different meanings to each of us, enjoyment and experiences.

Wednesday, April 26, 6:10 PM

Comerica Park, Detroit

Seattle

Mariners
(9-13)

8 - 0

Final

Detroit

Tigers
(11-9)
 
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9  R H E
Mariners 0 3 0 0 1 2 1 0 1  8 15 0
Tigers 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0  0 4 1

Box Score

Just curious, NOT BASHING YOU!  Why would you have felt Vegas was manipulating the underdog as you stated?  It was a blow out, the picked the correct underdog.  Usually always doing so.