I have literally discovered why some of the other players wager on what I am wagering on or vise versa, etc., interesting to say the least.  We got to the same destination with the same result (win or lose) with quite different reasoning. 

Realization.  An Extremely Hard Concept To Grasp.

People do see things differently. Especially at the Bac table.  However, I also know they do agree on many things. Influence, balance of predictability, desires and many other factors are of course, different and individualistic to each of us.

When each of us sit down at a Baccarat table, we will each get a fair and impartial chance to make a profit. Of course that drastically changes with our wagering. The outcome of our wagers will be reflected in our views. Because we seldom admit and/or recognize the actual reasons we lose and as well, win. You need to start to understand exactly why you lost and why you won, and it has much more to do with then; you placed your wager on something that was supposed to happen or the odds were in favor of it happening, etc., etc.

Be super careful and extremely conscious of overgeneralization, which I do believe is one of the most contributing factors to bringing about losses and/or wins. Overgeneralization will grab you and you will not even know it, you better figure it out and avoid falling into the trap a good nine out of 10 baccarat players do.

Successful Baccarat wagering has nothing to do with systematic, scheduled or statistical wagering. Nothing at all. If you believe it does, do it or keep doing it and come back and produce some win/loss statements, write a book and sell the holy grail, because you and no one else will ever be able to consistently win on systematic, scheduled and statistical  wagering. And if you did it, you can certainly make multi millions selling your fool-proof holy-grail system, that you can produce certified win/loss statements proving you have done just that. But you cannot and you never will.

Successful Bac wagering is recognizing and capitalizing on what the shoe is presenting PERIOD.  Nothing more, Nothing less.

If you are looking at wagering for a certain event, you then are entering prediction, fallacy and hope. You will completely fall prey to the casino. No two ways about it. You cannot +50% — 100% of the times follow prediction and hope. Because all you will do is enter into fallacy and lose your bankrolls.  And that is the main reason those electronic score boards exists at all bac tables.

You have to realize you can only capitalize on certain Sections of a shoe, which will be defined by certain Turning Points. You cannot and will not change what is waiting to be presented by applying experiences, vision, statistics or any other results from testing. The shoe you were sitting in front of, is and will be oblivious to everything just mentioned.

You cannot predict what is going to happen or not happen, you can only assume. However, you can wager on the winning side with force and capitalize extremely quickly and being correct. But you can only do this for a short period of time and within a limit amount of certain Sections as I said.  And that is exactly what you have to realize. 

The truth can be tough.
Nature of deception is usually unknown.
Nature of wanted or desired thoughts usually are never even thought about.

'Table" beliefs leading to wrongs are extremely prevalent at the gaming table and leads the highest majority of all to the 'wrongs'.

Be CAREFUL.  Be SMART.  Be CONSCIOUS.

Not always the easiest things to do at a baccarat table, while playing with your real money in real time. But if you want to be successful and make money, you have to be those three things every single minute of your session.

Inability to distinguish.

Good information from bad. Fact from fiction. Belief from evidence.

Those three things are normally what happens to most Baccarat Players especially the first few years of their play, some unfortunately carry it longer than that.  But they never truly understand critical thinking. They only try to relate their correct decisions with that to form numerous beliefs, which are usually really just fiction. And at best only non-fiction for a occasional shoe or two ever so often, fueling huge misinformation's and dead ends wasting numerous bankrolls.  Sad but so very true!

They wind up believing things they should not.

Question the beliefs (why).

Inability to make educated decisions because there are no structural agenda. In so many words, a guess and a hope turns into the structure that was not evidenced or results triggered by a protocol of established agenda, in any way shape or form.

People are used to textbook agendas and answers to learn. When they face other unknown avenues, they usually convince  themselves they have conquered without actually doing do.

Something else you must realize and use to your advantage if you want to be a good player and earn money.

Mind plays tricks. The mind invents things and you believe them as actually happening especially when money is involved.

Excuses, not to wager something are always there.

Why do you need a pattern/trend that is redundant-consistent-reappearing, etc., etc.?

Why not wager on it while it is appearing and except it as a random/trend pattern?

Why do you have to be ahead of the shoe in prediction?

There are plenty of others, I just wanted to throw those out there as they came to mind right away. The game Baccarat is there for picking and easily made money with if you can control the many aspects of what your brain will dictate what your hand does with your Buy-in at the table.

Make sure all of your information and beliefs come from proper foundation.

Meaning, not from emotional reflections, attempts to discredit and combat on forums, junk sources such as system sellers or infomercial sources and so on.

Think. Really sit down and think. And I am not talking about watching a YouTube infomercial or reading drama driven threads on other forums  or elsewhere. Of which, either are in their own way like a pat on the back to those without much experience or say a solid few years of real life financially gaining or losing type of experience. Hence, false foundation sets in. And false foundation will cost you bankroll after bankroll after bankroll.

There are three elements that must be adhered to in 'Proper Foundation'.

Authenticity—Reliability—Relevance

Authenticity.  Simply perseverance, self discipline and in reality. Not coming from emotional reflections, forum-based drama and of course, system sellers and infomercials. Most of all not biased based broadcast by a prejudice source no matter what the source. 

Reliability.  Be able to recognize the information into real time stability and consistency, that is virtually or near virtually free from errors.

Relevance.  The comparison of the info within reliability and the actual game itself. Relating to timeliness, comparability, and the understandability of it allowing you to uniformly interface it to your advantage. Time and time and time again.

There are many parts to good solid MMM. Probably the most important Single aspect of one is the drawdown.  A drawdown is the amount of buy-in you will lose before you really start winning.

You and the results of your wagering have to do the management of your money. The Management of your Money is the Method. Money Management Method.

From what I have observed over the years, there is a large misconception of win money.  Most all players are under the belief that they must replenish their last lost buy-in to get 'EVEN' and then accumulate some kind of a unknown profit amount as well. 

You must reserve your buy-in after you have won, do not risk it any further. You must divide up your winnings when you do win. Towards Bankroll. Towards Pocket. Towards Continued Play.  Those three revert back to my 1/3rd, 1/3rd, 1/3rd, I have often wrote about.

All the testing you desire, will only add real confusion along with misrepresentation of what the game is actually about. Seriously be careful what you practice and attempt to figure out. Live it in real play and be serious.  RNG's and their results are not awfully similar to live baccarat.  RNG's in free play mode are much more predictable and use as a definite 'suck in' to whatever online game they are promoting you to be part of.  BE CAREFUL!

System sellers and authors with purpose and those that live for drama and attention are worthless IMO. They are a very sad part of almost all online commentary and forums.

When a players buy-in is near depletion, those players tend to wait until the last second to make tough decisions and they know within several lost wagers they have few choices. Their whole vision is being out of money, not the productive vision of positive selections and direction, but last minute try anything to get their buy-in back, type of thinking.

Make wagering decisions that allow you to build buy-ins, bank roles and set partial wins aside for your pocket. If you do not do that you will not be successful. I promise you.

Everything virtually the same, you will only relive the bad wagers fueled by two things. #1, your LOST BUY-IN. #2, your LACK OF WINNINGS. Think about it!

DON'T FOLLOW THE NORM.....BE DIFFERENT!

Tools for the mind are truly unlimited. Research-learn-absorb-discuss-practice.

No matter what you think, you have to think outside of the 'NORM'.

It is not what a computer can do.
It is not what a product or system can do.
It is not what stats or their results prove or show can or cannot be done.

It is solely dependent upon you to go around the walls that project themselves because of the history that allow them to stand without challenge and strange belief by assuming those are correct and can be easily applied. They cannot, never in any way, shape or form, no matter the twists you believe will make them work with uniformity and consistency.

You cannot with the minimal amount of effort succeed by applying a simple trigger when you see the 'point' coming. It will not work. It never has and never will. Why? Because your effort is without true knowledge and experience. And you need both to make it past the countless hurdles that will present themselves. Once you realize that, you've learned more than the average player playing for years and years.

50% means nothing, zero, zip!  Instant time, no advantage. Carryover to wait, also means nothing. Math stats and obvious happening patterns/trends means nothing past the current hand or two or several that just happened. Don't fall in the same rut most all players do, losing 5-7-9 or more hands to win just a few.

With the game you can certainly get a complete shoe of the obvious. Meaning, 1s, 2s and 3s, combinations of chops and every repeating three or four, cuts to the opposite side. But when you see it and don't wager for it, wait a bit, it's too late. Does not continue. Hence sections/turning points.

"The Perfect Expected Results". What so many fail to realize or do not want to realize is, what is actually happening.  Again, WHAT IS ACTUALLY HAPPENING. Which is, A Section Vs. Redundancy that results in fallacy.  A downfall that will eat your bank roll with fierce hunger.

The truth is success does not come by accident. It comes from consistent hard work in pursuit of a dream. It comes from passion that drives you and it will also come from consistently and diligently employing some key habits that position you for greatness.  This success comes from an innate desire to win. Gambling is by far the hardest and most toughest profession out there!  Do you know why? Because it involves you controlling your emotions. And it involves controlling your thoughts when you're in the zone and you're down financially. Do you have the patience and skill to keep it together mentally when you're losing so much on the table? Can you walk away and come back the next day, just as strong and win twice the amount? See, when you lose your mind, you lose your money! Big-time. Surely there must be a winning attitude and habitat that winners religiously apply right?  Is there?  I've considered this for a long long time. I've studied the great minds of the best gamblers out there, through books and other writings, because I was sick of losing my hard earned money! I was sick of cursing my luck and blaming others for my losses. The difference between you and Patrick Veitch or anyone else that has made millions from gambling is their state of mind. They think and do things differently, they have that winning attitude! Richness comes from the mind, not from the pockets!

Your success will be an extension of real knowledge and experience into the game of baccarat or whatever else you are playing to win.

My closing is this. Forge ahead and paint in vivid colors, not in black-and-white or in numbers.

" At the same time, without considering the actual 4-hand pace, we might fall into the mistake to take any single W or, worse, any single L as a valuable trigger to consider our options. If this should be the case, the game wouldn't exist at all."

Absolutely true.  I think I just touched on this a few minutes ago. 

https://betselection.cc/index.php?topic=11429.msg70321;topicseen#msg70321

IMO, following any set protocol will possibly even you out if you win, however the loss factor will most likely  outweigh the profitability factor by large amounts.

Thanks.

The biggest wins come from winning.
The largest losses come from Losing.

Simply there are times you can win and times you cannot.

You can win because the cards are forming hands you expect, believe in, witnessed before and more. I just prefer to call that anticipations, with the '4's'.

PREDICTION
FORECAST
EXPECTING
HOPE

You cannot win because the cards are forming hands you do not expect, believe in, never witnessed before and more or you seriously do not think will happen and more.

Extreme focus, no emotion on losing hands and risk only the risk capital buy in which is a percentage of your bank roll. Do not keep buying in and do not keep chasing or engaging in other wild fallacies of just getting even, because most likely you'll drain your bank roll and you then engage yourself in the extremely unfair chance of getting even, never mind making a profit for the session.

Now, once again I push the M.M.M. techniques that I have preached, because they will truly manage your wins and playtime if you absolutely follow them. I have found countless times that there is a huge advantage you afford yourself for wagering according to my M.M.M., with your win money/profit for many reasons.

If you regularly wager a negative press progression (Marty) or you believe flat-betting will lead to recovery and/or profitability, you might as well skip all of this and get into a casino and make your large amounts of money. You will then be accomplishing what has been attempted trillions of times, and simply does not and has never worked more than a session here or there.

But if you really desire to find a decent wagering method that has control built into it, the following has done extremely well for me over the past years.

1-3-2-6 or 1-3-2-4.  Coupled with my 1/3rd, 1/3rd, 1/3rd, application of your separated wins and playing that out.

One final thought. Something else you must realize and use to your advantage. The mind plays tricks, the mind invents things and you believe them as actually happening or happened in the past. Think about it and think hard.

Apply yourself with advantages and be smart.

Thanks for reading.

Caesar's and The Bellagio for myself. 

I agree about Red Rock, nice place 15 mins straight west of the strip.

Palace Station was a great place a few years ago, don't know what's happening now, but I think they have between 12-20/bac tables and 10k limits. Low mins.

An insight to what a group of hi-tech monkeys do in their spare time.

They try to figure out why humans call 10 cards 'Monkeys'.  Serious, they do.  Here is a pic of their offices. 

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As you said, "mainly as many casinos won't allow bets higher than $20.000".

For serious play, it is worth going to, Rivers Casino in Des Plaines, Illinois has between 24-30 baccarat tables and the majority are at $10.00 minimum with a max at $100,000.00. 

Shoes will almost always (KEYWORD ALMOST) always equal out. But it is very easy to have swings of + or -10 and + or -20, in favor of one side or the other.  Use it to your advantage when it is happening as well as, right after it subsided.

For some reason it will run quickly up to 10 and reach a high of 20. At rare times it will go beyond 20, but not very often.

As a mean norm it will be right around the + or -10 count. Usually this will occur in the 1/3 to 1/2 area of the shoe, and hands 25 - 50's.

The correction (equaling out) will come either slowly or on occasion quickly. Here is an example of what I am referring to, that happened the other night. The players were ahead and the banker pulled the correction to equal itself out.

1s, 2s, 3s and a single 4. 

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Then it happens.

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27 Players to 17 Bankers at hand 44.

And very often the dominant side that will lessen up, once it does, will usually win with only one or two hands only at a time. While the side that will catch up, usually does so in twos, threes, fours and occasionally fives, more than any other combinations.

In the example given, the banker came back super strong, with 3 Fortune 7's, both of the back the back ties were natural 8s and natural 9s, and there was also one three card players 0 with the banker having a three card 9, for a dragon bonus of 30 to 1.  A complete and super dominant second half by the side that was weak prior.

3 to 5 Sections with Turning Points in all shoes.  Sections are the amount of hands. Turning Points are the beginning and end of Sections. As a mean average, 15-25 hands within a Section.

It's a given, not a choice or a desired marking point.

IMO and that of some very very experienced bac players, all recognize and attempt to focus on Sections with their Turning Points.  Wagering heavy, large and consistently on whatever is winning (any pattern/trends/presentments that you can identify and side with) is the absolute key in the game of baccarat. The skill comes about in advance mode for a player when he cuts down or stops wagering after repetitious wins within the Section before or immediately after it's Turning Point. Do not get attached or believe what just happened, has to or will happen again. And that's where a lot of us including myself gets sucked in occasionally. If you do, you will certainly give back your winnings and seriously hurt your buy in and/or your bank roll. 

Anything and everything can happen in a shoe of baccarat. Nothing much duplicates itself all the time (but when it does that is the time to bet heavy and hard until it stops), but then on the other hand occasionally it does. One thing for sure, nothing will ever have a trigger and be declared a winning hand every time (or well over 50% in every shoe), in real baccarat, the way the highest amount of new forum members are so in search of.